Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Graham Bentley]

Better question: How to do 1024x768 high resolution framebuffer 
console with Beastie logo in the TLH Corner ?

The Penguine does this out of the box 
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Re: Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On 2005-09-27 08:24, Graham Bentley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Better question: How to do 1024x768 high resolution framebuffer
> console with Beastie logo in the TLH Corner ?

I don't think that's currently possible.

> The Penguine does this out of the box 

That's not a very compelling argument in BSD land :P

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XFig and more?

[Soo-Hyun Choi]

Hi,

In the Unix world, XFig has been one of the popular programmes to
produce diagrams. Would there any more tools like XFig which is very
suit to use together with LaTeX?

(For example, I have heard that there is a text-base graphic tool or something?)

Cheers,
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apf like tool for freebsd

[Omer Faruk Sen]

Is there a tool in FreeBSD to use as anti-dos and brute force prevention 
automation tool which apf does it for Linux (using iptables). 

I especially interested in tools which is based on IPFilter.. 






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Re: Sharing /usr/ports

[Andrew P.]

On 9/24/05, Gordon Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got two FreeBSD 5.4 machines. One is a server, the other is a
> desktop.
>
> I've mounted on the desktop the /usr/ports directory from the server. My
> idea being that I could share the one /usr/ports directory amongst my
> machines and save disc space, and also save having to recompile everything
> whenever I install a port.
>
> My problem is that, if I do a "make" on one machine, I can't then do a
> "make install" on the other machine. (When I try, nothing happens)
>
> I haven't mounted any of the directories from under /var/db (e.g. pkg,
> ports)
>
> Is what I'm trying to do possible ?
> If so, what am I missing or doing wrong ?
>

Like others have already told you here, the best solution
is packaging. There is a problem though - you can't make
a package without installing the port first.

If you're using portupgrade the whole thing is very simple.
You mount /usr/ports from your file server on every client
machine, and 'setenv WRKDIRPREFIX /usr/local/mywrk'.

Then you just always run portupgrade with the -p switch
on your fast machines, and use -PP (double P) switch
on your slow machines. If they are all of single architecture
and you don't put some very custom stuff in /etc/make.conf,
it'll all work completely hassle-free.

You'll also want to ensure that portupgrade uses the same
ports db driver on all machines. dbm_hash is probably the
most portable one, so you can place
ENV['PORTS_DBDRIVER'] = 'dbm_hash'
in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf on every machine.

>From then on you can "portsnap fetch && portsnap update \
&& portsdb -uUF && portupgrade -arRF" every morning,
"portupgrade -aprR" on your build boxes, "portupgrade -arRPP"
on your other boxes - and then just relax sit back and enjoy
the magical feeling of being up-to-date.


Cheerz,
Andrew P.
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Re: ATTN: Gary Kline

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 9/27/05, Bill Schoolcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At Mon, 26 Sep 2005 it looks like Kris Kennaway composed:
>
> > You are blocking mail from me again:
> >
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host ns1.thought.org[216.231.43.140] said: 550 5.0.0
> >No SPAM (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
> >
> > This has been an issue in the past..unless you can get it under
> > control I'll just stop bothering to read your emails, in case I'm
> > tempted to try to help you again.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kris
>
> Hey Kris,
>
> I feel for ya...
>
> I'm in the position where I can receive mail from the FreeBSD
> mailing list but can't post to it.

Your post contradicts to what you're saying.

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Re: PHP4 & PHP5 on same server?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Mark Bucciarelli wrote:

Is it possible install both php4 and php5 on the same server using
ports?

I'm using fastcgi so two different interpreters should be fine.  (Rename 
/usr/local/bin/php to /usr/local/bin/php5-fcgi, for example.)


Can I assume the php4 and php5 modules (for example, pear) won't step on
each other's toes?

I google around but didn't find much on this topic ... :(

m


We have them as mod with two chrooted Apache servers on two different IPs.

I do not know if this helps.

Iv.

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Re: mysql port install

[eoghan]

Peter Clutton wrote:


It just the way it got pasted. I grabbed it from samba (yep, got that
working :) )... theres no actual spaces in the file. Im not sure what
David means? If i run pkg_info | grep mysql i see version 4.1.14 for



  I had exactly the same problem you are having until i enabled it in
rc.conf with mysql_enable="YES" .
 Every time i started the mysql-server.sh i got the socket error. As soon as
i enabled it in rc.conf , it worked fine.


I have tried this, thanks. However im getting a This: not found 
message/error. Im going to do a fresh install soon as I managed to mess 
things up badly i think :) Im getting to know more and more what im 
doing though (i think).

Thanks to everyone who replied.
Eoghan
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New user

[Tharaka Abeysekera]

Hi…

 

I’m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me 
ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I’m pissed off with Windows .

 

Regards,

Tharaka 



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Re: New user

[Ruud Jansen]

* Tharaka Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi?
> 
> I?m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me 
> ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I?m pissed off with Windows .
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tharaka 

Hello!

If you gave us a little bit more information about what you exactly want to
know we could give better answers. So I'll tell some basics:
1. Download FreeBSD at http://www.freebsd.org/where.html
2. Read (parts of) the handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ (Chapter 2 
is about installing
FreeBSD)

Good luck! :-)


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Re: Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Björn König]

Graham Bentley wrote:


The Penguine does this out of the box 


I suggest Crux[1] if you want to play a bit with a BSD-style operating 
system, but don't miss a Linux kernel.


[1] http://www.crux.nu/

Regards
Björn
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DPMS on laptop not working

[Paul Clark]

Hi,

 

I just installed Freebsd on a Dell Latitude C600 with 14" SXGA screen.  It
needs to be on all the time so I need a way of turning the screen off.  

 

I have played with sysctl hw.acpi.* thingies to get it to suspend.  But none
of the power states only turn the screen off.  

 

I want to get DPMS working so I can do  "xset dpms force off" but it doesn't
work.  Nothing happens and I get no console output.  Are there any log
files?

 

"xset q" in a console in KDE prints:

 

Keyboard Control:

  auto repeat:  onkey click percent:  0LED mask:  

  auto repeat delay:  250repeat rate:  30

  auto repeating keys:  00ffdbbf

fadfffdfffdfe5ef





  bell percent:  50bell pitch:  400bell duration:  100

Pointer Control:

  acceleration:  26/10threshold:  4

Screen Saver:

  prefer blanking:  yesallow exposures:  yes

  timeout:  0cycle:  600

Colors:

  default colormap:  0x20BlackPixel:  0WhitePixel:  16777215

Font Path:

 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/X11R6/lib/
X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/10
0dpi/

Bug Mode: compatibility mode is enabled

DPMS (Energy Star):

  Standby: 60Suspend: 60Off: 60

  DPMS is Enabled

  Monitor is On

File paths:

  Config file:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf

  Modules path: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules

  Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log

 

 

 

"xset q" in ctrl+alt F2 console while kde and x are loaded prints:

xset:  unable to open display ""

 

 

I have tried adding Option "DPMS" to my monitor section in the xorg.conf

 

Is there anyway to make DPMS work or is there another way of doing it?

 

Thanks

 

Paul

 

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Re: mysql port install

[Glenn Dawson]

At 02:19 AM 9/27/2005, eoghan wrote:

Peter Clutton wrote:


It just the way it got pasted. I grabbed it from samba (yep, got that
working :) )... theres no actual spaces in the file. Im not sure what
David means? If i run pkg_info | grep mysql i see version 4.1.14 for


  I had exactly the same problem you are having until i enabled it in
rc.conf with mysql_enable="YES" .
 Every time i started the mysql-server.sh i got the socket error. As soon as
i enabled it in rc.conf , it worked fine.


I have tried this, thanks. However im getting a This: not found 
message/error. Im going to do a fresh install soon as I managed to 
mess things up badly i think :) Im getting to know more and more 
what im doing though (i think).

Thanks to everyone who replied.


You should try and solve the problem if you can.  It's the best way to learn.

Have you tried running the startup script like this:

sh /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh start

-Glenn


Eoghan


---

"was it the same cat?" 


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Re: Cleanup unused files and other junk ...

[martinko]

Micah wrote:



jonas wrote:


On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:21 +0200
Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there a good and dependable procedure for cleaning up the file 
systems from unused junk that just clutters valuable disc space?


I am already aware of the 'periodic daily' scripts 
'clear_tmp_enable=YES' option for the rc.conf file, but where else

can one safely remove files.




-if you ever did a buildworld then you have the compiled base system
in  /usr/obj, which you can delete.
-you can scan your filesystem for *.core files (a process creates these
when it crashes) and delete them.
-make sure you always do a 'make clean' after installing software from
the ports. i think portupgrade can scan and cleanup all ports workdirs.

but i think in most cases much more spaces is wasted with stuff in your
homedir you forgot about ;)
well at least this is the case for me ... having a deeper look into my
$HOME/tmp and $HOME/stuff can quickly free some hundred MBs :)

cya,
jonas



For finding those long forgotten things that take up MBs, I've found 
kdirstat (for KDE) to be quite useful.  Helped me free up a few 
gigabytes - all located in my home dir of course. :)


Later,
Micah


x11-fm/xdiskusage
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Re: XFig and more?

[Uwe Laverenz]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:17:47AM +0100, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:

> (For example, I have heard that there is a text-base graphic tool or 
> something?)

Gnuplot maybe? http://www.gnuplot.info/

It's in the ports: /usr/ports/math/gnuplot

bye,
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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

[martinko]

John Hoover wrote:

On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry) and
on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?




I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but I've got my
Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well so far.

Three partitions
25GB NTFS (MS XP)
3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
12GB BSD (FreeBSD)

I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition at
startup.
Best I remember I installed the above by
1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
(admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager

You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition on
startup,
I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.

John.
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you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works, but it 
doesn't look very well, does it. :)
i prefer either grub or native windows nt/2k/xp boot manager. to use the 
latter, you need something like BootPart 
 to help you load fbsd's boot 
record/sector.


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Re: mysql port install

[eoghan]

Glenn Dawson wrote:

At 02:19 AM 9/27/2005, eoghan wrote:


Peter Clutton wrote:



It just the way it got pasted. I grabbed it from samba (yep, got that
working :) )... theres no actual spaces in the file. Im not sure what
David means? If i run pkg_info | grep mysql i see version 4.1.14 for



  I had exactly the same problem you are having until i enabled it in
rc.conf with mysql_enable="YES" .
 Every time i started the mysql-server.sh i got the socket error. As 
soon as

i enabled it in rc.conf , it worked fine.



I have tried this, thanks. However im getting a This: not found 
message/error. Im going to do a fresh install soon as I managed to 
mess things up badly i think :) Im getting to know more and more what 
im doing though (i think).

Thanks to everyone who replied.



You should try and solve the problem if you can.  It's the best way to 
learn.


Have you tried running the startup script like this:

sh /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh start

-Glenn


Hi Glenn
Yes i have tried this and i get:
This: not found
I think there is something fundamentally wrong with my install? I 
started acting up when i tried to do a sysintall upgrade which didnt 
complete (perl and others wouldnt install for xorg i think). Ive learnt 
a lot in the past few weeks though. and thanks for your help. i really 
appreciate people helping out cos im really new at this. Dumped windows 
for os x and got free bsd on my old windows machine to play with.

Eoghan
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file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

jonas wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:57:28 +0200
Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry)
and on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both 
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?


For example, saving all my MP3s on a separate data partition and
playing the same music despite which operating system I am using?

Thanks alot in advance.



hi!

freebsd can mount ntfs read only and with limited writing support
(see 'man mount_ntfs' for details. (should be enough for playing mp3s).
you can create a fat32 partition which freebsd and windows can read and
write, or a ext2fs partition and get a ext2fs driver for windows. i'm
not totally sure, but think freebsd can write ext2fs.

bye,
jonas


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see 
below) then in windows. how come ??


e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is 
"A.txt" for instance.


is this a known issue (why??) or am i missing something or what?

regards,

martin

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Re: mysql port install

[Alex Zbyslaw]

eoghan wrote:



Hi Glenn
Yes i have tried this and i get:
This: not found
I think there is something fundamentally wrong with my install? I 
started acting up when i tried to do a sysintall upgrade which didnt 
complete (perl and others wouldnt install for xorg i think). Ive 
learnt a lot in the past few weeks though. and thanks for your help. i 
really appreciate people helping out cos im really new at this. Dumped 
windows for os x and got free bsd on my old windows machine to play with.


You have somehow messed up one of the configuration files which is 
loaded when you try to start mysqld.  Something is trying to load a 
program called "This" which it clearly doesn't find.


Look in the following files for a line which starts "This":
   /etc/rc.conf
   /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh
   /etc/defaults/rc.conf
   /etc.rc.conf.local (this may not exist and that's OK)

You can then just comment out the line (put a # at the start of it).  
However, if you can't figure out why the line got there, you might want 
to post the contents of the file here (or at least the relevant portion) 
for more help.  There may be other errors in the file since something 
has clearly messed up.


If that does not help then try:

find /etc -type f -exec egrep -H This {} \; | less

and

find /etc/usr/local/etc -type f -exec egrep -H This {} \; | less

--Alex

PS You can also do the find like this:

find /etc -type f -print | xargs egrep This

which is  quicker on large filesystems, but less obvious.

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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> hello,
>
> when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
> below) then in windows. how come ??
>
> e.g.:
>
> $ ll
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
> -rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt
>
> in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
> "A.txt" for instance.
>
> is this a known issue (why??) or am i missing something or what?

Guess this is how FAT32 stores long names. Am I right that you get
such duplicates only for files with names that do not conform the DOS
naming convention? (with names >8 chars, extensions >3 chars, and/or
lower case characters in names/extensions?)

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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Dmitry Mityugov wrote:

On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.

is this a known issue (why??) or am i missing something or what?



Guess this is how FAT32 stores long names. Am I right that you get
such duplicates only for files with names that do not conform the DOS
naming convention? (with names >8 chars, extensions >3 chars, and/or
lower case characters in names/extensions?)



sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above should 
have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper case. 
that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see above, freebsd 
does not show them properly as some of them are shown in lowercase (e.g. 
"a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Alex Zbyslaw]

martinko wrote:


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.




sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above 
should have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper 
case. that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see above, 
freebsd does not show them properly as some of them are shown in 
lowercase (e.g. "a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??


Because FAT32 is a case-insensitive file system.  Don't confuse how 
Windows explorer shows you the file name with how the file name is 
actually stored on the file system.


--Alex

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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> John Hoover wrote:
> > On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >>I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry) and
> >>on the other hand good old FreeBSD.
> >>
> >>My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both
> >>operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but I've got my
> > Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well so far.
> > 
> > Three partitions
> > 25GB NTFS (MS XP)
> > 3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
> > 12GB BSD (FreeBSD)
> > 
> > I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition at
> > startup.
> > Best I remember I installed the above by
> > 1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
> > 2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
> > (admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
> > 3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager
> > 
> > You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition on
> > startup,
> > I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.
> > 
> > John.
> > -
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> you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works, but it 
> doesn't look very well, does it. :)

It works very well.   It does exactly what it is designed to do
and does it without crashing or skrewing up.
It is not loaded down with a bunch of glitzy features, if that is
what you want.  But, it works well.

jerry

> i prefer either grub or native windows nt/2k/xp boot manager. to use the 
> latter, you need something like BootPart 
>  to help you load fbsd's boot 
> record/sector.
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:

martinko wrote:


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.





sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above 
should have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper 
case. that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see above, 
freebsd does not show them properly as some of them are shown in 
lowercase (e.g. "a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??



Because FAT32 is a case-insensitive file system.  Don't confuse how 
Windows explorer shows you the file name with how the file name is 
actually stored on the file system.


--Alex



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of 
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about 
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all 
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows 
whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?


martin

ps: and, btw, how freebsd knows there's a capital A in "A.txt~" ? 
because it's stored on the filesystem in that way, i guess. being 
case-insensitive doesn't (necessarily)  mean a FS doesn't keep a case, imho.

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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

[martinko]

Jerry McAllister wrote:

John Hoover wrote:


On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP (sorry) and
on the other hand good old FreeBSD.

My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both both
operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?




I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but I've got my
Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well so far.

Three partitions
25GB NTFS (MS XP)
3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
12GB BSD (FreeBSD)

I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition at
startup.
Best I remember I installed the above by
1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
(admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager

You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition on
startup,
I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.

John.
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you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works, but it 
doesn't look very well, does it. :)



It works very well.   It does exactly what it is designed to do
and does it without crashing or skrewing up.
It is not loaded down with a bunch of glitzy features, if that is

what you want.  But, it works well.

jerry



i agree. i was referring to its look, though. no flame.

m:)



i prefer either grub or native windows nt/2k/xp boot manager. to use the 
latter, you need something like BootPart 
 to help you load fbsd's boot 
record/sector.


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Re: New user

[Derrick Test]

thats a big question. the handbook off the website is a great resource.


On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tharaka Abeysekera wrote:



Hi…



I’m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me 
ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I’m pissed off with Windows .



Regards,

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USB modem

[RGKärcher]

Hi guys ,

Would it be possible to make it works the ADSL Amigo
HMX - CA85UR - K8 (USB) Conexant Modem under FREEBSD ?

Please , if any of you have succedeed , please let me
know . 

Thanks in advance , 

Richard Karcher




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Re: XFig and more?

[Lowell Gilbert]

Soo-Hyun Choi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In the Unix world, XFig has been one of the popular programmes to
> produce diagrams. Would there any more tools like XFig which is very
> suit to use together with LaTeX?
> 
> (For example, I have heard that there is a text-base graphic tool or 
> something?)

There are a lot of tools, all with different advantages and
disadvantages.  What's wrong with xfig for your purpose?
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Re: user account changes lost on reboot

[Lowell Gilbert]

Jarrod Harch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jarrod Harch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi, I just setup a new 5.4 install, which went fairly well. I added
> some accounts - I used adduser to do one account, and logged on as the
> user OK. The other account was created when I installed gdm as the
> display manager.
> 
> On rebooting the root password is missing, the user account I created
> is also gone (but the home directory and files are still there). gdm
> won't start, complaining that the gdm user doesn't exist.
> 
> I recreated the user again but it vanished after the next boot.
> 
> Does anyone know what might cause these account changes to be lost?
> Sorry if this has been answered already, I couldn't find anything on
> Google or mailing lists.

This is pretty weird all right.  Is the user's home directory still
present?  If you run vipw(8), do you see the user there?
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Re: Mounting NetBSD disk under FreeBSD.

[Lowell Gilbert]

FC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am switching from NetBSD to FreeBSD and I have to get some data
> from a disk labeled on NetBSD 2.0. I would like to mount this disk on
> my new FreeBSD-5.4. But the only devices which shows on /dev are ad1
> and ad1s1. The devices for each partitions are missing (ad1s1a,
> ad1s1b, ad1s1b, ...) In the good old days I was using MAKEDEV but
> that doesn't exist anymore on 5.4
> 
> Thanks for helping me switch...

What does fdisk show for that disk?
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Alex Zbyslaw]

martinko wrote:


Alex Zbyslaw wrote:


martinko wrote:


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, 
that is

"A.txt" for instance.






sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above 
should have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper 
case. that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see 
above, freebsd does not show them properly as some of them are shown 
in lowercase (e.g. "a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??




Because FAT32 is a case-insensitive file system.  Don't confuse how 
Windows explorer shows you the file name with how the file name is 
actually stored on the file system.


--Alex



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of 
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about 
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all 
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows 
knows whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?


Windows does not care whether you refer to a file called "abc.txt" as 
"Abc.txt" or "ABC.txt" or "abc.TXT", they are all the same.  There is no 
"correct" file name as far as windows or ms-dos is concerned.  Open up a 
dos command line window and try:

   type a.txt

and

   type A.TXT

and they should both work.

File systems on Unix are case-sensitive, notwithstanding how Windows 
behaves.  Yes, this is a pain.


--Alex

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Re: New user

[Jerry McAllister]

Hi,

> Hi
> 
> I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell 
> me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off with Windows .

One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at 
about 70 characters.   It makes your posting easier to read and
reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD
world.   Most Email clients can be configured to do this automatically.
If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about that point on
each line.

Also, it is best to use plain ASCII text rather than any of the
fancy types.   That works in all mailers.   The fancy ones only
work on mailers that have that particular type available.   eg you
cover a broader group of readers with plain ASCII text and that
is what you want to do on a questions list.

As for getting started with FreeBSD,

First, it is a good idea.  Congradulations.

Second, it does take some effort to learn to use, but the effort
  will be well rewarded in time.

Start by reading the FreeBSD handbook.   It can be read online or
  downloaded freely from the FreeBSD website:  http://www.freebsd.org/
  Handbook at:   
   http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
For the US English version.

You may wish to purchase one or more books on FreeBSD.   There are 
several good ones available.   Some that come to mind while I am 
sitting here writing are:   "The Complete FreeBSD", "Absolute BSD"
and "FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System".   Other people may
suggest some others.   Try to get the latest edition of any of them
as they get updated a lot to follow the system upgrades (and correct
errors).   The latest major version of FreeBSD that is getting near
release is 6.xxx.I don't know if any of the books have been updated
for V 6.xxx yet.The Handbook is constantly being updated.

Learn to look up things in the FAQs, list archives, search engines 
such as Google and the many web sites and online publications that 
have howto-s and narratives about doing various FreeBSD things.   
Note, though, that almost all of these web articles are written from 
the point of view of the person doing it and naturally contain all 
the prejudices and presupositions of the authors.   Some of those may 
not suit your situation or even be the most straightforward or efficient 
way of doing things.  But all contribute to the body of information.

Follow this list and possibly the Newbies list and others that might
interest you.   Check the published material, either in paper form
or online before splattering the lists with newbie questions.  The
people on the lists are busy and get tired of answering the same
questions that are well documented already.

Once you have tried to solve a problem with the documentation available
then ask questions on the lists.  Don't waste time (yours or others) with
diatribes and whining about how FreeBSD is this or that and some other
OS is something else.   This is an Open Source, volunteer developed
and supported system and the best way to get a feature or fix implemented
is to write it your self and submit it as a PR.   

A nice friendly request also will get a better response that a 
self-righteous whine.  The main contributers know that not everyone 
is capable of, or has the resources for writing some of the 
suggested/requested changes and can be persuaded to add things to 
their [long] lists, but are more likely to do so if it seems 
reasonable and the request is a friendly one.   Remember that they
are volunteers, not staff ruled by a marketing department.

Now, we are about ready to get to doing it...
Once you have a good idea of the process - you will never learn it
completely from just reading;   You have to get your hands dirty and
your carpal tunnel exercised - either purchase a CD set of the latest
and greatest from one of the vendors who make them up and contribute
a portion back to the FreeBSD project or just download the installation
CD from the FreeBSD web site or one of its mirrors.   All the information
about doing so is well described in the above mentioned documentation.
For starters, choose the latest RELEASE version available, which, at the
moment, is FreeBSD 5.4 and will probably soon be 5.5.   For Newbies I
would suggest waiting until you have had a little experience before
diving in to a stable version.

If at all possible, try it all out on a machine that you can trash
without incurring much consequence.   Then you can do an install and
set things up and experiment and when you mess it up too much, you
can just start from scratch.  Take notes, so you don't have to repeat
mistakes too many times.With a scratch machine, you can feel less
inhibited about trying things just to see what happens.

If you don't have a scratch machine available (it doesn't take much of 
a machine to get a reasonable FreeBSD up and running - almost any old
junker beyond a 386 will do), then read up on dual booting a machine.   
It is a

Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Micah]

martinko wrote:

Alex Zbyslaw wrote:


martinko wrote:


Dmitry Mityugov wrote:


On 9/27/05, martinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...


hello,

when i mount a fat32 partition some files have different case (see
below) then in windows. how come ??

e.g.:

$ ll
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel734 Mar  1  2005 a.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel649 Mar 16  2003 A.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1110 Mar 27  2003 b.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2980 Jun  6 23:46 c.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2475 Mar  1  2005 C.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2563 Jun 10 12:49 d.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   2561 Jun 10 12:42 D.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel   1015 Jun  7 00:25 e.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel681 Mar 16  2003 E.txt~
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel602 Mar 16  2003 f.txt
-rwxr-x---  1 root  wheel421 Mar 16  2003 g.txt

in windows all the files above have first letter in uppercase, that is
"A.txt" for instance.






sorry if i didn't make myself clear. -- ALL the file names above 
should have their first letter, and only the first letter, in upper 
case. that's how they were named in windows. but as you can see 
above, freebsd does not show them properly as some of them are shown 
in lowercase (e.g. "a.txt" instead of "A.txt").


why??




Because FAT32 is a case-insensitive file system.  Don't confuse how 
Windows explorer shows you the file name with how the file name is 
actually stored on the file system.


--Alex



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of 
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about 
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all 
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows 
whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?


martin

ps: and, btw, how freebsd knows there's a capital A in "A.txt~" ? 
because it's stored on the filesystem in that way, i guess. being 
case-insensitive doesn't (necessarily)  mean a FS doesn't keep a case, 
imho.


The reason is as follows: a.txt is an 8.3 filename and is stored on 
fat32 in the old dos format.  a.txt~ is NOT an 8.3 filename and is 
stored on fat32 in the extended long filename format.  Case information 
is not stored in 8.3's file names.  They're always the same case, but I 
can't remember now if they're stored as upper or lower case.  Extended 
long filenames do store case information, even though windows ignores 
the case (as was pointed out earlier).  FreeBSD is displaying 8.3 names 
as lowercase probably to mimic the tendency of unix filenames to be 
lowercase.  Windows displays 8.3 names as upper case probably to mimic dos.


Later,
Micah
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server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work

[Jason Lieurance]

Hello,

Our file server is a compaq proliant 320DL 1U w/ 512MB ram, 18GB 320 scsi, 73GB 
320
scsi, P3 1 Ghz, running FreeBSD 4.9, samba 3.0.5.

HAd it for about 16 months, been running great. About 3 months ago it rebooted 
with
nothing in the logs or any track of a problem. I chalked it up to isolated 
glick.
THen another reboot a month later. Now its every 9 hours give or take some 
minutes
and seconds. Again, nothing in the logs.

First, I added more ram(crucial)(only had 256MB initially), no help. then I ran
memtest and running it with 128MB it uses mlock and runs and says no problems.
Whenever I try to run memtest with more than 128, it won't mlock it(says can't) 
and
says it will be slower and less relieable but it finishes not-the-less and its 
ok.

I've run fsck -fy /dev/(mount) on all the mounts. It fines and fixes stuff on 
some
reboots but it doesn't always fine errors(its a file server so I figure 
there'll be
some since files were open when it rebooted).

I frustrated and don't know what to do.

-- 
Jason


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Re: tar -u adds all files regardless of mod date

[Gareth Bailey]

Hi Tim,

> 5-STABLE is sufficiently different that the patch doesn't apply,
> unfortunately.  It will take me a few days to figure out whether
> it's best to work up a different patch for 5-STABLE or whether
> I should MFC a lot of work from 6-STABLE to 5-STABLE.

Unfortunately our server is also on the 5 stable branch.

> Please check that the following does work (without the leading '/'):
>
>   tar -cf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b
>   tar -uvf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b

This works just fine. Thank you for response and suggested workarounds.

Gareth Bailey
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:22, martinko wrote:

> ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of
> ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about
> windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all
> applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows
> whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?
>


Your use of the word "correct" is odd. FreeBSD uses the filename stored on the 
disk - the one put there when the file was created. The display of filename 
case and the case sensitivity of the filesystem are two different issues. The 
real question is why Windows needlessly overides the choices of it's users.
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Re: Webcams and FreeBSD

[Ned Harrison]

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 13:40 +0200, John Oxley wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 05:05:24AM -0500, Ned Harrison wrote:
> > I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 as a desktop operating system on my home
> > computer.  I would like to set up a webcam for physical security/nature
> > observation while I'm away from the residence.  Something simple, I just
> > want to take periodic images and store them on an external hard drive. 
> > 
> > In the past couple of days researching this, I get the impression that
> > it may be possible to do this but I have not found specific instructions
> > on how to set it up.  
> > 
> > Even though I am a newbie, I have been able to get things working when I
> > can find the right documentation. Does anybody know of an article which
> > describes setting something like this up?
> 
> If you are not bound to FreeBSD, I recommend installing Linux.  USB
> webcams work much better under Linux, and there is a package called
> motion which only records if there is a certain amount of motion
> detected which is a better setup for security anyway.
> 
> -John
> 

I dual boot with Linux so that is an option. I've been reading on how to
do it on that system too. So which ever one I figure out first will
probably be the one I use.

As an aside,I have a minor hardware problem, (and I don't know what!)
which causes nearly all Linux distributions to hang during the bootup.
Knoppix has been the only one I've been able install and get running.
Whatever messes up the other distributions doesn't even phase Knoppix.
In addition, whenever I tried to update my Knoppix HD install, I would
"break" something and have to install the whole thing all over again.
So I tend to use Linux for my general work and it do my playing and
learning how to do things on FreeBSD.  That's why I felt I could get
things up faster on FreeBSD, I know how to install and add programs
there.

Thanks
Ned 


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Re: sendmail or another mail server?

[Randy Schultz]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Efren Bravo spaketh thusly:

-}Hi,
-}
-}I've installed a fBSD and now I'm tuning it 'cause I need to put it to
-}serve as mail server.  
-}  
-}My questions is if sendmail is able to serve as a serious mail server or I
-}should try with another software for this job.  
-}  
-}In case I choose sendmail or another mail server software, exists an web
-}interface for them?  

In-house volume testing I've done for with fbsd 5.4 has postfix smokin' 
sendmail with at least a 260% increase.  With softupdates enabled and a
few other simple things pfix on fbsd rocks.  FWIW.

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Re: Webcams and FreeBSD

[Ned Harrison]

On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 13:23 +0200, vittorio wrote:
> Alle 12:05, domenica 25 settembre 2005, Ned Harrison ha scritto:
> > I'm running FreeBSD 5.4 as a desktop operating system on my home
> > computer.  I would like to set up a webcam for physical security/nature
> > observation while I'm away from the residence.  Something simple, I just
> > want to take periodic images and store them on an external hard drive.
> >
> > In the past couple of days researching this, I get the impression that
> > it may be possible to do this but I have not found specific instructions
> > on how to set it up.
> >
> > Even though I am a newbie, I have been able to get things working when I
> > can find the right documentation. Does anybody know of an article which
> > describes setting something like this up?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Ned
> >
> 
> Even though it seems to me a poor solution, here it is the best answer to a 
> thread of mine on a similar subject:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=74724+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2005/freebsd-questions/20050911.freebsd-questions
> 
> Vittorio
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Thanks for the hint, I'll look at the thread in more detail on the
archives as I now have a subject.  Didn't think to use "video
surveillance."

Ned.

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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:15, Micah wrote:

> > ps: and, btw, how freebsd knows there's a capital A in "A.txt~" ?
> > because it's stored on the filesystem in that way, i guess. being
> > case-insensitive doesn't (necessarily)  mean a FS doesn't keep a case,
> > imho.
>
> The reason is as follows: a.txt is an 8.3 filename and is stored on
> fat32 in the old dos format.  a.txt~ is NOT an 8.3 filename and is
> stored on fat32 in the extended long filename format.  Case information
> is not stored in 8.3's file names.  They're always the same case, but I
> can't remember now if they're stored as upper or lower case.  Extended
> long filenames do store case information, even though windows ignores
> the case (as was pointed out earlier).  FreeBSD is displaying 8.3 names
> as lowercase probably to mimic the tendency of unix filenames to be
> lowercase.  Windows displays 8.3 names as upper case probably to mimic dos.


The 8.3 names and the long names are stored separately whatever the name 
format.  FreeBSD  displays the long name even when the filename fits the 8.3 
format.   
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Re: New user

[jonas]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT)
Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> > Hi
> > 
> > I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently.
> > Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off
> > with Windows .
> 
> One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at 
> about 70 characters.   It makes your posting easier to read and
> reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD
> world.   Most Email clients can be configured to do this
> automatically. If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about
> that point on each line.
> 
> Also, it is best to use plain ASCII text rather than any of the
> fancy types.   That works in all mailers.   The fancy ones only
> work on mailers that have that particular type available.   eg you
> cover a broader group of readers with plain ASCII text and that
> is what you want to do on a questions list.
> 
> As for getting started with FreeBSD,
> 
> First, it is a good idea.  Congradulations.
> 
> Second, it does take some effort to learn to use, but the effort
>   will be well rewarded in time.
> 
> Start by reading the FreeBSD handbook.   It can be read online or
>   downloaded freely from the FreeBSD website:  http://www.freebsd.org/
>   Handbook at:   
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html
> For the US English version.
> 
> You may wish to purchase one or more books on FreeBSD.   There are 
> several good ones available.   Some that come to mind while I am 
> sitting here writing are:   "The Complete FreeBSD", "Absolute BSD"
> and "FreeBSD: An Open Source Operating System".   Other people may
> suggest some others.   Try to get the latest edition of any of them
> as they get updated a lot to follow the system upgrades (and correct
> errors).   The latest major version of FreeBSD that is getting near
> release is 6.xxx.I don't know if any of the books have been
> updated for V 6.xxx yet.The Handbook is constantly being updated.
> 
> Learn to look up things in the FAQs, list archives, search engines 
> such as Google and the many web sites and online publications that 
> have howto-s and narratives about doing various FreeBSD things.   
> Note, though, that almost all of these web articles are written from 
> the point of view of the person doing it and naturally contain all 
> the prejudices and presupositions of the authors.   Some of those may 
> not suit your situation or even be the most straightforward or
> efficient way of doing things.  But all contribute to the body of
> information.
> 
> Follow this list and possibly the Newbies list and others that might
> interest you.   Check the published material, either in paper form
> or online before splattering the lists with newbie questions.  The
> people on the lists are busy and get tired of answering the same
> questions that are well documented already.
> 
> Once you have tried to solve a problem with the documentation
> available then ask questions on the lists.  Don't waste time (yours
> or others) with diatribes and whining about how FreeBSD is this or
> that and some other OS is something else.   This is an Open Source,
> volunteer developed and supported system and the best way to get a
> feature or fix implemented is to write it your self and submit it as
> a PR.   
> 
> A nice friendly request also will get a better response that a 
> self-righteous whine.  The main contributers know that not everyone 
> is capable of, or has the resources for writing some of the 
> suggested/requested changes and can be persuaded to add things to 
> their [long] lists, but are more likely to do so if it seems 
> reasonable and the request is a friendly one.   Remember that they
> are volunteers, not staff ruled by a marketing department.
> 
> Now, we are about ready to get to doing it...
> Once you have a good idea of the process - you will never learn it
> completely from just reading;   You have to get your hands dirty and
> your carpal tunnel exercised - either purchase a CD set of the latest
> and greatest from one of the vendors who make them up and contribute
> a portion back to the FreeBSD project or just download the
> installation CD from the FreeBSD web site or one of its mirrors.
> All the information about doing so is well described in the above
> mentioned documentation. For starters, choose the latest RELEASE
> version available, which, at the moment, is FreeBSD 5.4 and will
> probably soon be 5.5.   For Newbies I would suggest waiting until you
> have had a little experience before diving in to a stable version.
> 
> If at all possible, try it all out on a machine that you can trash
> without incurring much consequence.   Then you can do an install and
> set things up and experiment and when you mess it up too much, you
> can just start from scratch.  Take notes, so you don't have to repeat
> mistakes too many times.With a scratch machine, you can feel less
> inhib

Re: tar -u adds all files regardless of mod date

[Gareth Bailey]

Just to add, I seem to be experiencing similar behaviour using the -P option:

# tar -P -cvf archive.tar /usr/archive/Pimani/
.. files get added
# tar -P -uvf archive.tar /usr/archive/Pimani/
a /usr/archive/Pimani/Pimani Presentation/multimedia/August
2005/LM_001_PRINT_050119/Thumbs.db
a /usr/archive/Pimani/Pimani Presentation/multimedia/August 2005/26
August/t-shirtlogomany.gif

Result: Directory structure was static but two files were added again.

The non-absolute path workaround worked fine:

# cd /
# tar -cvf archive.tar usr/archive/Pimani/
.. files added
# tar -uvf archive.tar usr/archive/Pimani/

Result: No files were added again (good).

Just to bring to your attention.

Gareth Bailey

On 9/27/05, Gareth Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> > 5-STABLE is sufficiently different that the patch doesn't apply,
> > unfortunately.  It will take me a few days to figure out whether
> > it's best to work up a different patch for 5-STABLE or whether
> > I should MFC a lot of work from 6-STABLE to 5-STABLE.
>
> Unfortunately our server is also on the 5 stable branch.
>
> > Please check that the following does work (without the leading '/'):
> >
> >   tar -cf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b
> >   tar -uvf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b
>
> This works just fine. Thank you for response and suggested workarounds.
>
> Gareth Bailey
>
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Micah]

RW wrote:

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:15, Micah wrote:



ps: and, btw, how freebsd knows there's a capital A in "A.txt~" ?
because it's stored on the filesystem in that way, i guess. being
case-insensitive doesn't (necessarily)  mean a FS doesn't keep a case,
imho.


The reason is as follows: a.txt is an 8.3 filename and is stored on
fat32 in the old dos format.  a.txt~ is NOT an 8.3 filename and is
stored on fat32 in the extended long filename format.  Case information
is not stored in 8.3's file names.  They're always the same case, but I
can't remember now if they're stored as upper or lower case.  Extended
long filenames do store case information, even though windows ignores
the case (as was pointed out earlier).  FreeBSD is displaying 8.3 names
as lowercase probably to mimic the tendency of unix filenames to be
lowercase.  Windows displays 8.3 names as upper case probably to mimic dos.




The 8.3 names and the long names are stored separately whatever the name 
format.  FreeBSD  displays the long name even when the filename fits the 8.3 
format.   


The directory structure of fat32 is still the same as from dos.  In 
order to create long filenames, Windows uses subsequent directory 
entries to store the extra filename characters.  If a filename fits the 
8.3 format, Windows (at least Win98) does not bother to create the extra 
entries for the long filename record.  If there's no ong filename 
record, how can FreeBSD use the long filename?


Later,
Micah
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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Kirk Strauser]

On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
> dying to have on there;

You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one.

Sincerely,
A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.
-- 
Kirk Strauser
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Re: New user

[Ashley Moran]

Tharaka Abeysekera wrote:
Hi…  


I’m a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently. Please tell me 
ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I’m pissed off with Windows .

Regards,

Tharaka  


It might be worth looking for local users group near you.  If you 
haven't got a lot of experience with *nix systems there's a lot of stuff 
that can be put across much quicker face-to-face than in books and web 
sites.


Ashley
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Questions regarding FreeBSD packages and dependancies

[Milscvaer]

When I upgrade a package, say Gaim, and if I would
also like all of its library dependancies to be
upgraded, if new versions of certian libraries, such
as Gtk are installed, will the old versions of Gtk
remain in place and older programs that had been using
the older version will continue to use the old
version? 

The way, currently, that I believe we avoid the
DLL-hell situation on FreeBSD, where a new program
would install a new version of a library, blowing up
older programs on the system that used an older
version of the same library, being
incompatable with the new version, is to append a
version number to every .so file in the lib
directories, and link all programs to a specific
version of a library, such as one program may use
mylib.so.1.0 while a new program might use
mylib.so.2.0. Thus if a new program needs a new
version of a library, it can be installed and use the
new version, but all older programs can continue to
use the old version. 

If I use portupgrade to upgrade all dependancies for a
package, will it leave the older versions of library
dependancies in place so older programs which used the
older version can continue to use it?

I tried to use pkg_add to install a new program from
stable, however, it complained about older versions of
gtk being installed and refused to continue. Why not
just leave the old versions of Gtk there so existing
programs may continue to use them, and have new
programs installed from stable use the new version?

Thank you for your response to these questions. They
are greatly appreciated.



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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Josh Ockert]

Kirk Strauser wrote:

On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:


Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
dying to have on there;



You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one.

Sincerely,
A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.


There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from 
Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist 
Christian Crusade.


Never mind that cartoon figures are generally seen as unprofessional, 
regardless of implied, explicit, or perceived religious affiliation or 
lack thereof. FreeBSD, according to Ted, isn't about open source and 
freedom of choice; NO WAY can we help people change the boot screen! 
FreeBSD is about Christian-bashing, isn't that right Ted?


If someone wants a less cartoonish, more Serious(tm) Down-To-Work 
Terminal(R)(!), without cute bubbly images of Beastie or any other 
image, it's our responsibility -- on -questions -- to answer their 
(gasp!) questions, or to keep our mouths shut.


Sincerely,
Someone of a religion that's none of your business who wants the 
inter-religion bickering to end and for people to respect eachother's 
beliefs and preferences

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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Kevin Kinsey]

Kirk Strauser wrote:


On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 


Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
dying to have on there;
   



You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one.

Sincerely,
A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.
 



Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder
if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D

KDK

P.S.  Of course, if it was worth the "fuss", I could hack that
myself...
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:56, Micah wrote:
> The directory structure of fat32 is still the same as from dos.  In
> order to create long filenames, Windows uses subsequent directory
> entries to store the extra filename characters.  If a filename fits the
> 8.3 format, Windows (at least Win98) does not bother to create the extra
> entries for the long filename record.  If there's no ong filename
> record, how can FreeBSD use the long filename?



The files in question are shown as having names like A.txt in windows, ie 
mixed case. The Dos directory command always shows completly uppercase names 
for the 8.3 names

I have plenty of 8.3 files that dos DIR shows as having uppercase 8.3 names  
*and* mixed/lower-case full names. So either dos/windows does create the 
extra-filename for files with an 8.3 name format, or it stores the mixed-case 
name in the legacy 8.3 field in it's  case and DIR converts to uppercase. 

Either way around the case that is found by FreeBSD should be the same as if 
it were reading a long-filename.  
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Re: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work

[Kris Kennaway]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:17:02AM -0400, Jason Lieurance wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Our file server is a compaq proliant 320DL 1U w/ 512MB ram, 18GB 320 scsi, 
> 73GB 320
> scsi, P3 1 Ghz, running FreeBSD 4.9, samba 3.0.5.
> 
> HAd it for about 16 months, been running great. About 3 months ago it 
> rebooted with
> nothing in the logs or any track of a problem. I chalked it up to isolated 
> glick.
> THen another reboot a month later. Now its every 9 hours give or take some 
> minutes
> and seconds. Again, nothing in the logs.
> 
> First, I added more ram(crucial)(only had 256MB initially), no help. then I 
> ran
> memtest and running it with 128MB it uses mlock and runs and says no problems.
> Whenever I try to run memtest with more than 128, it won't mlock it(says 
> can't) and
> says it will be slower and less relieable but it finishes not-the-less and 
> its ok.
> 
> I've run fsck -fy /dev/(mount) on all the mounts. It fines and fixes stuff on 
> some
> reboots but it doesn't always fine errors(its a file server so I figure 
> there'll be
> some since files were open when it rebooted).
> 
> I frustrated and don't know what to do.

Check power supply, CPU cooling, try putting it behind a UPS in case
your AC power is dropping out (e.g. due to increased load from
something kicking in every 9 hours, etc).

Kris


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Re: tar -u adds all files regardless of mod date

[Tim Kientzle]

Thanks, Gareth.

I'm hoping to get some time this week to backport a lot of changes from
bsdtar/libarchive in -CURRENT back to 5-STABLE.  I'll let you know when
I get that done.

Tim

Gareth Bailey wrote:

Just to add, I seem to be experiencing similar behaviour using the -P option:

# tar -P -cvf archive.tar /usr/archive/Pimani/
.. files get added
# tar -P -uvf archive.tar /usr/archive/Pimani/
a /usr/archive/Pimani/Pimani Presentation/multimedia/August
2005/LM_001_PRINT_050119/Thumbs.db
a /usr/archive/Pimani/Pimani Presentation/multimedia/August 2005/26
August/t-shirtlogomany.gif

Result: Directory structure was static but two files were added again.

The non-absolute path workaround worked fine:

# cd /
# tar -cvf archive.tar usr/archive/Pimani/
.. files added
# tar -uvf archive.tar usr/archive/Pimani/

Result: No files were added again (good).

Just to bring to your attention.

Gareth Bailey

On 9/27/05, Gareth Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Tim,



5-STABLE is sufficiently different that the patch doesn't apply,
unfortunately.  It will take me a few days to figure out whether
it's best to work up a different patch for 5-STABLE or whether
I should MFC a lot of work from 6-STABLE to 5-STABLE.


Unfortunately our server is also on the 5 stable branch.



Please check that the following does work (without the leading '/'):

 tar -cf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b
 tar -uvf foo.tar usr/dir_a/dir_b


This works just fine. Thank you for response and suggested workarounds.

Gareth Bailey









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Re: DPMS on laptop not working

[Fabian Keil]

"Paul Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just installed Freebsd on a Dell Latitude C600 with 14" SXGA screen.  It
> needs to be on all the time so I need a way of turning the screen off.  

> I want to get DPMS working so I can do  "xset dpms force off" but it doesn't
> work.  Nothing happens and I get no console output.  Are there any log
> files?

/var/log/Xorg.0.log

Fabian
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Re: Questions regarding FreeBSD packages and dependancies

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 16:21, Milscvaer wrote:
> I tried to use pkg_add to install a new program from
> stable, however, it complained about older versions of
> gtk being installed and refused to continue. Why not
> just leave the old versions of Gtk there so existing
> programs may continue to use them, and have new
> programs installed from stable use the new version?

I don't use packages much, but I think it's the case that a package won't 
install if it was built against a dependency that is newer that the one you 
have installed.

Note  GTK1  and GTK2 are separate and can co-exists, so I think you need to 
identiy which GTK port it's asking for and update it.
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Re: New user

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:04:06 -0400 (EDT)
> Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I'm a new to UNIX, I got to know about your services recently.
> > > Please tell me ware to start FreeBSD(UNIX) . Because I'm pissed off
> > > with Windows .
> > 
> > One place to wstart is to break your lines in your messages at 
> > about 70 characters.   It makes your posting easier to read and
> > reply to from text based Email clients - used by many in the FreeBSD
> > world.   Most Email clients can be configured to do this
> > automatically. If yours cannot, then just hit a RETURN/ENTER about
> > that point on each line.
> . . .
> > and source lets you tinker and learn.   You can discover things by
> > actually reading the code.
> > 
> > Maybe you expected more specific technical information that what I
> > have written in this response.   But, actually, the things I have
> > covered respond to the major mistakes people make getting started
> > with FreeBSD.   The technical things are most easily covered by
> > following the documentation either from the handbook or one of the
> > good books on FreeBSD.
> > 
> > Good luck and have fun,
> > 
> > jerry
> > 
> 
> i think this should be integrated into the FAQ :)

It is OK with me though I notice I forgot to put in learning to use
the man pages and there are several typos that need cleaning up.
Maybe I should rummage through the documentation info on doing that.

jerry

> cya,
> jonas
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Re: Questions regarding FreeBSD packages and dependancies

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 17:15, RW wrote:

> I don't use packages much, but I think it's the case that a package won't
> install if it was built against a dependency that is newer that the one you
> have installed.
>
> Note  GTK1  and GTK2 are separate and can co-exists, so I think you need to
> identiy which GTK port it's asking for and update it.

Forgot to mention.

Alternately, you can probably just force the installation, and then fix the 
dependencies afterwards.
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Set options to deamons

[Efren Bravo]

Hi,

How do I set options to deamons? 

For instance, I've been reading a security doc and it says: "Syslogd can
be attacked directly and it's strongly recommended that you use -s option
whenever possible, and the -a option otherwise".

If Syslogd start when the OS start, how do I set the -s option.

Thank...


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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[John Adams]

-Original Message-
From: Josh Ockert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from 
Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist 
Christian Crusade.

It was particularly funny to see it directed against someone whose email 
address ends in demon.nl

But then, I use Ted's posts as bad examples. It's good that they have some 
utility.
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Re: Set options to deamons

[RW]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 18:32, Efren Bravo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How do I set options to deamons?
>
> For instance, I've been reading a security doc and it says: "Syslogd can
> be attacked directly and it's strongly recommended that you use -s option
> whenever possible, and the -a option otherwise".
>
> If Syslogd start when the OS start, how do I set the -s option.
>

Set 

   syslogd_flags="-s" 

in rc.conf.  

However, if you look in  /etc/defaults/rc.conf , you will find that that is 
already the default.
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Re: Set options to deamons

[Micah]

Efren Bravo wrote:

Hi,

How do I set options to deamons? 


For instance, I've been reading a security doc and it says: "Syslogd can
be attacked directly and it's strongly recommended that you use -s option
whenever possible, and the -a option otherwise".

If Syslogd start when the OS start, how do I set the -s option.

Thank...


Browse through /etc/defaults/rc.conf  You'll something similar to:

### Network daemon (miscellaneous) ###
syslogd_enable="YES"  # Run syslog daemon (or NO).
syslogd_program="/usr/sbin/syslogd" # path to syslogd, if you want a 
different one.

syslogd_flags="-s"# Flags to syslogd (if enabled).
#syslogd_flags="-ss"  # Syslogd flags to not bind an inet socket

Looks like -s is the default.  If you wanted to change it add 
syslogd_flags="-whatever" to your /etc/rc.conf file.


Later,
Micah
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Re: XFig and more?

[Bill Campbell]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005, Soo-Hyun Choi wrote:
>Hi,

>In the Unix world, XFig has been one of the popular programmes to produce
>diagrams. Would there any more tools like XFig which is very suit to use
>together with LaTeX?

>(For example, I have heard that there is a text-base graphic tool or
>something?)

I don't know about text-based, but I've played a bit with ``dia''
on Linux systems, but not enough to really evaluate it against
xfig, which I've used for many years now.

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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Kirk Strauser]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:27, Josh Ockert wrote:

> There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from
> Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist
> Christian Crusade.

I get your point - truly, I do.  I also get that Ted was being, well, Ted.  
However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian 
sensibilities were offended by Beastie.  On-topic or not, Ted's patch was 
still a darn funny response to those people.
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hdparm like program for freebsd?

[Vincent Stipo]

Is there a hdparm like program which can benchmark individual harddrives.
"hdparm -tT"
and give the burst rate, allong with sequencial read / write?

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Re: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work

[Jason Lieurance]

Kris Kennaway said:

> Check power supply, CPU cooling, try putting it behind a UPS in case
> your AC power is dropping out (e.g. due to increased load from
> something kicking in every 9 hours, etc).

I will check PS and cooling. It's on a good apc ups so that's not it. Also, 
forget 9
hrs, it just rebooted 2 with in 10 minutes.
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Re: dockapp virtual desktop switcher

[Eric Schuele]

Brian John wrote:

Hello,
I am running fluxbox and I don't like the method of using the scrollbar 
and/or hotkeys to switch desktops (even though it is easy).  On my 
windows box at work I have an app called 'goscreen' installed.  It 
allows me to see a preview of what is on each desktop and click on 
whichever one I want.  Is there a dockapp similar to this for FreeBSD 
that will work on Fluxbox (I think KDE dockapps will work)?


Try fbpager... its in ports.
There is also info on it, and another pager on the fluxbox site.

HTH



Thanks

/Brian
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Re: Unable to install 5.4 from CDROM

[Mark Jones]

On 9/16/05, Mark Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having an odd problem installing 5.4 release from CDROM.
>
>  The machine is an HP ProLiant DL145. It didn't come with a CDROM drive, I
> borrowed one from a Dell PowerEdge SC1425.
>  The CDs are good, I've installed on other machines with them - in fact, on
> the same machine that I borrowed the CDROM from.
>
>  I can boot from the CD with no problem. I go through sysinstall all the way
> through the part where I select what sources to install. Sysinstall writes
> the MBR and fsck's the drive with no problem. But then when it goes to
> install the source and packages from CD, it says it can't read the CD.

Exact error code was "Unable to transfer the base distribution from acd0".

OMG I can't believe the answer was this simple...
When you get to the screen "Choose Installation Media", at this time
eject the "boot only" CD, and insert the "disc 1" CD.

I feel somewhat stupid.

I do recall installing 5.3, if you leave the boot-only CD in, it gives
a different error (one that makes it a little clearer that you could
have the wrong CD in there, and prompts you to swap with another).

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pfctl not found

[XBO]

Hello,

I've tried to enable pf on my 5.4-RELEASE installation recently. It was
installed behind the firewall before, so back then I turned PF off in
/etc/make.conf. After removing the line from /etc/make.conf and
rebuilding the kernel, it still failes to load pf and it seems to me
that the kernel module is there (ls /sys/kernel/pf* gives meaningful
results), but /sbin/pfctl is missing. Do I have to rebuild world in
order to enable it or is something wrong with my kernel configuration? I
tried to build it with both NOINET6 turned on and off with same results.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Sincerely yours,
Denis

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Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...

[Kent Stewart]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 06:27 am, martinko wrote:
> Jerry McAllister wrote:
> >>John Hoover wrote:
> >>>On 9/26/05, Kiffin Gish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a dual-boot laptop running on the one hand Windows XP
>  (sorry) and on the other hand good old FreeBSD.
> 
> My question: is it possible to exchange data files between both
>  both operaing systems in an easy and efficient way?
> >>>
> >>>I don't know if it would be considered the most efficient, but
> >>> I've got my Sony GRT100 set up this way. It has worked out well
> >>> so far.
> >>>
> >>>Three partitions
> >>>25GB NTFS (MS XP)
> >>>3GB FAT32 (Data sharing)
> >>>12GB BSD (FreeBSD)
> >>>
> >>>I'm using FreeBSD's boot manager for selecting the boot partition
> >>> at startup.
> >>>Best I remember I installed the above by
> >>>1) using FreeBSD to partition and install on ad0s3
> >>>2) install XP on first partition, format FAT32 partition within XP
> >>>(admin tools -> computer management -> disk management)
> >>>3) reinstall FreeBSD, installing FreeBSD boot manager
> >>>
> >>>You could add an entry to /etc/fstabs to mount the FAT32 partition
> >>> on startup,
> >>>I just mounted it by hand if I needed it.
> >>>
> >>>John.
> >>>-
> >>>John F Hoover
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> >>you don't even need to use fbsd's boot manager. i mean, it works,
> >> but it doesn't look very well, does it. :)
> >
> > It works very well.   It does exactly what it is designed to do
> > and does it without crashing or skrewing up.
> > It is not loaded down with a bunch of glitzy features, if that is
> > what you want.  But, it works well.
> >
> > jerry
>
> i agree. i was referring to its look, though. no flame.
>
> m:)

I use an FAT32 for interOS communication. I don't use it very often 
becauee I have shared files on other local machines but the machines 
were all designed that way from the start. 

I also use ntldr for the boot because you can tell FreeBSD to not mess 
with things much better than you can tell Windows.

Kent

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Re: Set options to deamons

[Kris Kennaway]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 12:32:14PM -0500, Efren Bravo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How do I set options to deamons? 
> 
> For instance, I've been reading a security doc and it says: "Syslogd can
> be attacked directly and it's strongly recommended that you use -s option
> whenever possible, and the -a option otherwise".
> 
> If Syslogd start when the OS start, how do I set the -s option.

man rc.conf

Kris


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RE: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work

[Gayn Winters]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Jason Lieurance
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:57 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work
> 
> 
> Kris Kennaway said:
> 
> > Check power supply, CPU cooling, try putting it behind a UPS in case
> > your AC power is dropping out (e.g. due to increased load from
> > something kicking in every 9 hours, etc).
> 
> I will check PS and cooling. It's on a good apc ups so that's 
> not it. Also, forget 9
> hrs, it just rebooted 2 with in 10 minutes.
> -- 
> Jason

Well, something is dying...  You are doing regular backups, aren't you?
:>)

-gayn


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Re: hdparm like program for freebsd?

[Dan Nelson]

In the last episode (Sep 27), Vincent Stipo said:
> Is there a hdparm like program which can benchmark individual harddrives.
> "hdparm -tT"
> and give the burst rate, allong with sequencial read / write?

Try rawio, iozone, or bonnie in ports.  There's also the base system
command "diskinfo" which will give you read stats.

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Re: Mounting NetBSD disk under FreeBSD.

[FC]

On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Lowell Gilbert wrote:


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I am switching from NetBSD to FreeBSD and I have to get some data
from a disk labeled on NetBSD 2.0. I would like to mount this disk on
my new FreeBSD-5.4. But the only devices which shows on /dev are ad1
and ad1s1. The devices for each partitions are missing (ad1s1a,
ad1s1b, ad1s1b, ...) In the good old days I was using MAKEDEV but
that doesn't exist anymore on 5.4

Thanks for helping me switch...



What does fdisk show for that disk?


fdisk show that disk containing a NetBSD partition and bsdlabel show  
no slices. It's like if the disk was not labeled.


I thing FreeBSD gets confused because NetBSD 2.x can have up to 16  
slices and FreeBSD only 8


-fred-
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RE: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work

[Bob Middaugh]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gayn
Winters
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:20 PM
> To: 'Jason Lieurance'; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason 
> > Lieurance
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:57 AM
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: server reboots every 9 hrs like clock-work
> > 
> > 
> > Kris Kennaway said:
> > 
> > > Check power supply, CPU cooling, try putting it behind a 
> UPS in case 
> > > your AC power is dropping out (e.g. due to increased load from 
> > > something kicking in every 9 hours, etc).
> > 
> > I will check PS and cooling. It's on a good apc ups so 
> that's not it. 
> > Also, forget 9 hrs, it just rebooted 2 with in 10 minutes.
> > --
> > Jason
> 
> Well, something is dying...  You are doing regular backups, 
> aren't you?
> :>)
> 
> -gayn
> 

Seems everytime I've been through this type of thing in the past,
regardless of OS, I've ended up replacing the motherboard.  

Bob

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Re: XFig and more?

[Soo-Hyun Choi]

Nothing wrong with XFig for me. Just my curiosity to know what kind of
tools there are.

SH

On 27 Sep 2005 09:48:10 -0400, Lowell Gilbert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Soo-Hyun Choi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > In the Unix world, XFig has been one of the popular programmes to
> > produce diagrams. Would there any more tools like XFig which is very
> > suit to use together with LaTeX?
> >
> > (For example, I have heard that there is a text-base graphic tool or 
> > something?)
>
> There are a lot of tools, all with different advantages and
> disadvantages.  What's wrong with xfig for your purpose?
>
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libssl, &c, briefly...

[Gary Kline]

Just a short ACK to those who offered clues on howto 
get my ssh/scp apps working again.  Thanks! times 25!
Dunno what I bungled, but rebuilding /usr/src/secure/openssl/*
fixed just about everything on my ThinkPad.  Now, after
spending 14+ hours yesterday, it's back to my essay before
my Deadline.

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Re: pfctl not found

[Björn König]

XBO wrote:

Hello,

I've tried to enable pf on my 5.4-RELEASE installation recently. It was
installed behind the firewall before, so back then I turned PF off in
/etc/make.conf. After removing the line from /etc/make.conf and
rebuilding the kernel, it still failes to load pf and it seems to me
that the kernel module is there (ls /sys/kernel/pf* gives meaningful
results), but /sbin/pfctl is missing. Do I have to rebuild world in
order to enable it [...]? [...]


Yes.

Björn
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Limit client connections ssh

[Efren Bravo]

Hi,

I'm using ssh to connect me to fBSD server, how can I limit the client
connections?, I mean, I only only that the server(ssh) accept incoming
connections from a specific IP or IPs range?

Thanks


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Re: Limit client connections ssh

[Garrett Cooper]

Efren Bravo wrote:


Hi,

I'm using ssh to connect me to fBSD server, how can I limit the client
connections?, I mean, I only only that the server(ssh) accept incoming
connections from a specific IP or IPs range?

Thanks 


Why not limit the traffic to/from the ssh port via a firewall, like ipfw?
-Garrett

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Re: 5.4 installation trouble

[Ivailo Bonev]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:52:55 +0300, James Heck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a toshiba satelite a25 laptop running windows xp right now
pentium 3 with 512mb ram, with 40 gb unpartitioned space (35 or so has
been reserved for bsd). I made 3 .iso's from nero, taken from the files
on www.freebsd.org. None of them allow me to actually load into the
install portion of the process. 1 or 2 seconds after bsd tries to load,
and a bunch of text shows up, it comes to this: "ata0: channel #0 on
atapci0." When this comes up, the cd in the drive stops spinning and
nothing else happens- i am forced to reboot.

I have brief experiences with mandrake 10, but im mostly familiar with
windows. I cant wait to get into bsd so if you guys have any input on
this issue, please let me know. and thanks alot!

James



Try to boot up with ACPI disabled and/or DMA off, or booting in Safe mode.

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Re: Backup

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Hi list,
> 
> can I make a copy using dd command from a HD scsi
> Maxtor 36 GB to a HD IDE Sansung 40 GB ?

You can, but you probably do not want to.   
Although you don't say much about what you are trying to do,
I am guessing you want to "duplicate" the 36 GB disk on the 40 GB
drive.   Since they are not identical, they will not be true
duplicate copies.   But, you don't really need that.  You probably
really need the file structure on the new drive, not the byte by byte 
copy.

So, fdisk and disklabel/bsdlabel the new drive to create the
slice and partition set that you want - probably each the same as on
the old one but just a few bytes bigger.   Make at least one slice
with fdisk and one partition with disklabel/bsdlabel - more if your
design needs them.

Then newfs the partition[s] to make filesystem[s].

Make mount point[s] for the new filesystem[s] and mount it/them.  You can 
put it/them in /etc/fstab, but if they are only temporary mount point[s], 
you don't need to.

Then dump [each of] the old file system[s] and restore it/them in to
the new file systems.   Note that you need to be CD-ed in to the
new file system for the restore to do what you want.
So, lets say you are transferring your partition that is normally
mounted as /usr.   
You created a filesystem and mounted it as /newusr
Then  cd /newusr
  dump -0af - /usr | restore -rf -

This will get you a functionally identical copy of the disk
but also correct for the different drives.

jerry

> 
> How can I do it ?? Is there an example ??
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aguiar
> 
> 
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Dead links everywhere ...

[Kiffin Gish]

If I click on hyperlinks (email wherever) nothings happens. I'm afraid I 
messed up my xfce desktop and need to restore this (using mimetypes)?


Thanks alot in advance.

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Re: PHP4 & PHP5 on same server?

[Mark Bucciarelli]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 11:16:04AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mark Bucciarelli wrote:
> >Is it possible install both php4 and php5 on the same server using
> >ports?
> >
> >I'm using fastcgi so two different interpreters should be fine.  (Rename 
> >/usr/local/bin/php to /usr/local/bin/php5-fcgi, for example.)
> >
> >Can I assume the php4 and php5 modules (for example, pear) won't step on
> >each other's toes?
> >
> >I google around but didn't find much on this topic ... :(
> >
> >m
> 
> We have them as mod with two chrooted Apache servers on two different IPs.

Thanks for the reply.

>From doing some more research list night, my understanding is that
the php binary is the whole kit and kaboodle, so if I 

- build PHP4 from source and

- configure it to look in a different spot for extensions,

then I should be able to use PHP4 and PHP5 via fastcgi on a per-vhost
basis.

I just won't be able to rely on ports for updates to PHP4.

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Firefox won't stay as default browser ...

[Kiffin Gish]

Every time I fire up firefox it claims it is not the default browser. If 
I click on yes to make it the default browser or go into Prferences | 
General and hit the Default Browser [Check Now]-button and/or I restart 
firefox, I still get the message that it is NOT the default browser. 


Nothing I do helps -- what got stuch?!

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Re: hdparm like program for freebsd?

[Dmitry Mityugov]

On 9/27/05, Vincent Stipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a hdparm like program which can benchmark individual harddrives.
> "hdparm -tT"
> and give the burst rate, allong with sequencial read / write?

You can also use dd for that, at least for the sequential read / write
thing, probably with bs=4096 or more. Just make sure you don't
overwrite important data when you measure the write speed.

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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Bart Silverstrim]

On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Kirk Strauser wrote:


On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:27, Josh Ockert wrote:

There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming 
from

Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist
Christian Crusade.


I get your point - truly, I do.  I also get that Ted was being, well, 
Ted.

However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian
sensibilities were offended by Beastie.  On-topic or not, Ted's patch 
was

still a darn funny response to those people.


Um...when this is supposedly an issue, how often is the reason cited 
"professional", and how often is it because it's "offensive"?


How many people really do it because of the latter, but fall back on 
citing the first?


I don't recall too many times where Tux causes "unprofessional" cries.  
I can clearly see why Ted would assume that people's motives are based 
on religious bias.


It's stupid to take it up as a major issue.

But it's more stupid to get offended by it in the first place.

I just heard a story in...where...Britain?...where Burger King is 
pulling their ice cream cone covers because one person said the symbol 
on it bore a resemblance to the Muslim word for Allah (correct me if 
someone has the story in print to cite, please).  He wants all Muslims 
to refuse going to Burger King because of it, despite BK pulling them 
off the shelf to redo them (it's just a swirling ice-cream symbol).


Look up how to disable the boot image, or code a way to easily plug in 
your own custom images and have it slipped into the code base.  
Personally I'd rather set the boot image to whatever I'd want,  or make 
it something functional (like BeOS had).  Or...why are your BSD systems 
rebooting so often that this is an issue?


-Bart

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Re: Limit client connections ssh

[Jon Krause]

- Original Message - 
From: "Efren Bravo"

: Hi,
:
: I'm using ssh to connect me to fBSD server, how can I limit the client
: connections?, I mean, I only only that the server(ssh) accept incoming
: connections from a specific IP or IPs range?
:
: Thanks
:

Look at/etc/hosts.allow   for a quick way to limit ssh to specific IP's.

Otherwise you would need to activate 1 of several FBSD firewall options.


Jon

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Re: Limit client connections ssh

[Mark Bucciarelli]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 02:27:26PM -0500, Efren Bravo wrote:

> I'm using ssh to connect me to fBSD server, how can I limit the client
> connections?, I mean, I only only that the server(ssh) accept incoming
> connections from a specific IP or IPs range?

You can restrict to a subset of your system users by using AllowUsers
(or some such option) in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf.

If you are using key authentication, you can associate IP's with each 
public key in the ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.

If you allow password authentication, you must use a firewall to 
restrict by IP.

m

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Portsdb returns error after cvsup - How to Proceed?

[Mark Kane]

Hi everyone. I CVSupped yesterday to make sure I got the Firefox fix. My 
plan was to do the following:


# cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile
# portsdb -Uu
# portversion -l "<"
# portupgrade -arR

After cvsupping and running portsdb -Uu, I got an error which is at the 
end of my email.


Today I tried a "make index" from /usr/ports/, and that seemed to run 
OK. A "portupgrade -arRn" simulated the upgrade process and nothing 
seemed to fail, but I want to be safe and not mess anything up as I am 
relatively new to portupgrade and don't want a big mess.


I did the same process that I listed above a couple weeks ago and 
everything went fine, so I was surprised to see the error this time.


I'm not sure how to proceed, so thanks in advance for any suggestions.

-Mark

-
Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please 
wait.."/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2890: warning: duplicate script 
for target "checksum" ignored

===> textproc/tet-aspell failed
*** Error code 1
1 error


Before reporting this error, verify that you are running a supported
version of FreeBSD (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/) and that you
have a complete and up-to-date ports collection.  (INDEX builds are
not supported with partial or out-of-date ports collections -- in
particular, if you are using cvsup, you must cvsup the "ports-all"
collection, and have no "refuse" files.)  If that is the case, then
report the failure to [EMAIL PROTECTED] together with relevant
details of your ports configuration (including FreeBSD version,
your architecture, your environment, and your /etc/make.conf
settings, especially compiler flags and WITH/WITHOUT settings).

Note: the latest pre-generated version of INDEX may be fetched
automatically with "make fetchindex".


*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports.
failed to generate INDEX!
portsdb: index generation error
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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[Micah]

RW wrote:

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:56, Micah wrote:


The directory structure of fat32 is still the same as from dos.  In
order to create long filenames, Windows uses subsequent directory
entries to store the extra filename characters.  If a filename fits the
8.3 format, Windows (at least Win98) does not bother to create the extra
entries for the long filename record.  If there's no ong filename
record, how can FreeBSD use the long filename?





The files in question are shown as having names like A.txt in windows, ie 
mixed case. The Dos directory command always shows completly uppercase names 
for the 8.3 names


I have plenty of 8.3 files that dos DIR shows as having uppercase 8.3 names  
*and* mixed/lower-case full names. So either dos/windows does create the 
extra-filename for files with an 8.3 name format, or it stores the mixed-case 
name in the legacy 8.3 field in it's  case and DIR converts to uppercase. 

Either way around the case that is found by FreeBSD should be the same as if 
it were reading a long-filename.  


I did some tests using Win98/qemu and Win2K/real hardware, and diskedit. 
 This appears to be a real bug in how FreeBSD handles byte 12 of an 8.3 
directory entry.  It only shows up in 8.3 filenames created by Win2K 
(and presumably any NT based windows).  Somehow (and I cannot find exact 
details, just passing references) NT stores filename capitalization of 
8.3 names in byte 12 of an 8.3 directory entry, thereby eliminating the 
creation of an LFN (long filename) entry.  FreeBSD doesn't interpret it 
correctly and displays file names in lowercase unless the original name 
was all uppercase letters.  The solution:  always use long filenames 
from an NT based Windows if you care about capitalization.  At least 
until the bug is fixed in FreeBSD.


Later
Micah
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Re: Firefox won't stay as default browser ...

[Garrett Cooper]

Kiffin Gish wrote:

Every time I fire up firefox it claims it is not the default browser. 
If I click on yes to make it the default browser or go into Prferences 
| General and hit the Default Browser [Check Now]-button and/or I 
restart firefox, I still get the message that it is NOT the default 
browser.

Nothing I do helps -- what got stuch?!


   What desktop environment/window manager are you using?
-Garrett
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Re: Portsdb returns error after cvsup - How to Proceed?

[Kent Stewart]

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 12:33 pm, Mark Kane wrote:
> Hi everyone. I CVSupped yesterday to make sure I got the Firefox fix.
> My plan was to do the following:
>
> # cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile
> # portsdb -Uu
> # portversion -l "<"
> # portupgrade -arR
>
> After cvsupping and running portsdb -Uu, I got an error which is at
> the end of my email.
>
> Today I tried a "make index" from /usr/ports/, and that seemed to run
> OK. A "portupgrade -arRn" simulated the upgrade process and nothing
> seemed to fail, but I want to be safe and not mess anything up as I
> am relatively new to portupgrade and don't want a big mess.
>
> I did the same process that I listed above a couple weeks ago and
> everything went fine, so I was surprised to see the error this time.
>
> I'm not sure how to proceed, so thanks in advance for any
> suggestions.

portsdb -U was converted to using make index a long time ago. There is 
something else going on. Do you have any refuses? In addition, it may 
have been fixed by now. Make index was failing on 4.x but that was 
fixed on Sunday.

Kent

>
> -Mark
>
> -
> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please
> wait.."/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 2890: warning: duplicate
> script for target "checksum" ignored
> ===> textproc/tet-aspell failed
> *** Error code 1
> 1 error
>
> 
> Before reporting this error, verify that you are running a supported
> version of FreeBSD (see http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/) and that you
> have a complete and up-to-date ports collection.  (INDEX builds are
> not supported with partial or out-of-date ports collections -- in
> particular, if you are using cvsup, you must cvsup the "ports-all"
> collection, and have no "refuse" files.)  If that is the case, then
> report the failure to [EMAIL PROTECTED] together with relevant
> details of your ports configuration (including FreeBSD version,
> your architecture, your environment, and your /etc/make.conf
> settings, especially compiler flags and WITH/WITHOUT settings).
>
> Note: the latest pre-generated version of INDEX may be fetched
> automatically with "make fetchindex".
> 
>
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports.
> failed to generate INDEX!
> portsdb: index generation error
> -
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Re: Portsdb returns error after cvsup - How to Proceed?

[Mark Kane]

Kent Stewart wrote:

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 12:33 pm, Mark Kane wrote:


Hi everyone. I CVSupped yesterday to make sure I got the Firefox fix.
My plan was to do the following:

# cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile
# portsdb -Uu
# portversion -l "<"
# portupgrade -arR

After cvsupping and running portsdb -Uu, I got an error which is at
the end of my email.

Today I tried a "make index" from /usr/ports/, and that seemed to run
OK. A "portupgrade -arRn" simulated the upgrade process and nothing
seemed to fail, but I want to be safe and not mess anything up as I
am relatively new to portupgrade and don't want a big mess.

I did the same process that I listed above a couple weeks ago and
everything went fine, so I was surprised to see the error this time.

I'm not sure how to proceed, so thanks in advance for any
suggestions.



portsdb -U was converted to using make index a long time ago. There is 
something else going on. Do you have any refuses? In addition, it may 
have been fixed by now. Make index was failing on 4.x but that was 
fixed on Sunday.


Kent


Thanks for the reply. Nope, no refuses. CVSup was run yesterday 
afternoon around this time.


FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE (amd64)

-Mark
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Re: Sharing /usr/ports

[Robert Marella]

On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:46:49 +0400
"Andrew P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 9/24/05, Gordon Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've got two FreeBSD 5.4 machines. One is a server, the other is a
> > desktop.
> >

> 
> Like others have already told you here, the best solution
> is packaging. There is a problem though - you can't make
> a package without installing the port first.
> 
> If you're using portupgrade the whole thing is very simple.
> You mount /usr/ports from your file server on every client
> machine, and 'setenv WRKDIRPREFIX /usr/local/mywrk'.
> 
> Then you just always run portupgrade with the -p switch
> on your fast machines, and use -PP (double P) switch
> on your slow machines. If they are all of single architecture
> and you don't put some very custom stuff in /etc/make.conf,
> it'll all work completely hassle-free.
> 
> You'll also want to ensure that portupgrade uses the same
> ports db driver on all machines. dbm_hash is probably the
> most portable one, so you can place
> ENV['PORTS_DBDRIVER'] = 'dbm_hash'
> in /usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf on every machine.
> 
> >From then on you can "portsnap fetch && portsnap update \
> && portsdb -uUF && portupgrade -arRF" every morning,
> "portupgrade -aprR" on your build boxes, "portupgrade -arRPP"
> on your other boxes - and then just relax sit back and enjoy
> the magical feeling of being up-to-date.
> 
> 
> Cheerz,
> Andrew P.

Thank you for posting this Andrew. I have been messing with keeping my
slower systems updated for awhile. This will make it quicker.

I have one question. Is there an easy way to keep
the /usr/ports/packages/All directory clean?

This is an example of what I mean:

p4# cd /usr/ports/packages/All
p4# ls -l xfce*
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel 2886 Mar 18  2005 xfce-4.2.0_1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel 2893 Apr  7 18:33 xfce-4.2.1.1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel 2246 Sep 27 08:41 xfce-4.2.2.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel94955 Mar 18  2005 xfce4-appfinder-4.2.0_1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel95435 Apr  7 17:42 xfce4-appfinder-4.2.1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   203207 Sep 27 08:43 xfce4-appfinder-4.2.2.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2100621 Mar 18  2005 xfce4-desktop-4.2.0_1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2125020 Apr  7 17:52 xfce4-desktop-4.2.1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2344995 Sep 27 08:47 xfce4-desktop-4.2.2.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1962410 Mar 18  2005 xfce4-fm-4.2.0_1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1966223 Apr  7 17:38 xfce4-fm-4.2.1.tbz
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  3162381 Sep 27 08:45 xfce4-fm-4.2.2.tbz

etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

The old packages can start to take up a lot of space.

Thanks

Robert
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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Mike Jeays]

On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:34, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
> Kirk Strauser wrote:
> 
> >On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
> >>dying to have on there;
> >>
> >>
> >
> >You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.
> >  
> >
> 
> Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder
> if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D
> 
> KDK
> 
> P.S.  Of course, if it was worth the "fuss", I could hack that
> myself...
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As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the
dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or
GDM login screen?  When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen
Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as
it rolls by.  They are turned off before I even get to the login
screen.  Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect.

I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups...


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Tried everything to create a new slice...

[Paul Clark]

Hi all,

I have a 6gb slice on a 10gb drive.  I want to make use of the unused 4gb by
creating a new
slice in it and mounting /home on it.

If I use sysinstall in multi or single user mode it says: "ERROR: Unable to
write data to
disk ad0!"

I have tried using the live cd but the keyboard map is wrong (I have no way
of inputting a /)
which makes it impossible to load sysinstall.

How can I create a new slice?
Also, will setting the mount point as /home automatically cause it to appear
in the place of
the symlink to /usr/home that is currently there or will there be something
more that I have
to do?

Thanks for any help.

Paul

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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Micah wrote:


The reason is as follows: a.txt is an 8.3 filename and is stored on 
fat32 in the old dos format.  a.txt~ is NOT an 8.3 filename and is 
stored on fat32 in the extended long filename format.  Case information 
is not stored in 8.3's file names.  They're always the same case, but I 
can't remember now if they're stored as upper or lower case.  Extended 
long filenames do store case information, even though windows ignores 
the case (as was pointed out earlier).  FreeBSD is displaying 8.3 names 
as lowercase probably to mimic the tendency of unix filenames to be 
lowercase.  Windows displays 8.3 names as upper case probably to mimic dos.




8.3 filenames are stored in uppercase
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Re: Bye-bye beastie ...

[Mark Cullen]

Mike Jeays wrote:

On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:34, Kevin Kinsey wrote:


Kirk Strauser wrote:



On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:




Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
dying to have on there;
  



You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one.

Sincerely,
A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about.




Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder
if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D

KDK

P.S.  Of course, if it was worth the "fuss", I could hack that
myself...
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As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the
dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or
GDM login screen?  When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen
Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as
it rolls by.  They are turned off before I even get to the login
screen.  Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect.

I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups...




Probably not the best solution in the world but you could try...

echo "-h" > /boot.config

Works for 4.11 atleast :-)


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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

RW wrote:

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 14:22, martinko wrote:



ok. unfortunately i forgot most of my knowledge from the old days of
ms-dos but what i can say even without it is this -- it's not about
windows explorer only. i can see the correct file names in all
applications (under windows of course), i believe. and if windows knows
whether there should be an "A" or "a" then why freebsd cannot?





Your use of the word "correct" is odd. FreeBSD uses the filename stored on the 
disk - the one put there when the file was created. The display of filename 
case and the case sensitivity of the filesystem are two different issues. The 
real question is why Windows needlessly overides the choices of it's users.

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excuse my english :)

also i tried to make clear i wasn't talking about fs case sensitivity 
but only about the display of filename case.


and my question is simple -- if windows can remember somehow the 
filename case on fat32, why can't freebsd?


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Re: file name case issue on fat32 (Was: Re: Sharing data files on a dual-boot machine ...)

[martinko]

Micah wrote:



RW wrote:


On Tuesday 27 September 2005 15:56, Micah wrote:


The directory structure of fat32 is still the same as from dos.  In
order to create long filenames, Windows uses subsequent directory
entries to store the extra filename characters.  If a filename fits the
8.3 format, Windows (at least Win98) does not bother to create the extra
entries for the long filename record.  If there's no ong filename
record, how can FreeBSD use the long filename?






The files in question are shown as having names like A.txt in windows, 
ie mixed case. The Dos directory command always shows completly 
uppercase names for the 8.3 names


I have plenty of 8.3 files that dos DIR shows as having uppercase 8.3 
names  *and* mixed/lower-case full names. So either dos/windows does 
create the extra-filename for files with an 8.3 name format, or it 
stores the mixed-case name in the legacy 8.3 field in it's  case and 
DIR converts to uppercase.
Either way around the case that is found by FreeBSD should be the same 
as if it were reading a long-filename.  



I did some tests using Win98/qemu and Win2K/real hardware, and diskedit. 
 This appears to be a real bug in how FreeBSD handles byte 12 of an 8.3 
directory entry.  It only shows up in 8.3 filenames created by Win2K 
(and presumably any NT based windows).  Somehow (and I cannot find exact 
details, just passing references) NT stores filename capitalization of 
8.3 names in byte 12 of an 8.3 directory entry, thereby eliminating the 
creation of an LFN (long filename) entry.  FreeBSD doesn't interpret it 
correctly and displays file names in lowercase unless the original name 
was all uppercase letters.  The solution:  always use long filenames 
from an NT based Windows if you care about capitalization.  At least 
until the bug is fixed in FreeBSD.




exactly!

i just did a simple test and created the following on win xp :

w.TXT
X.TXT
Y.txt
z.txt

and this is what freebsd displays:

X.TXT
w.txt
y.txt
z.txt

i think the case is clear.

and what now? whom to report it to?

regards,

martin
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 P4 2.8Ghz 478 PINOS/800Mhz HTPR 220 578,60 HD SATA 250GB 7200 RPM * 193 507,59 
 P4 3.0 GHZ 478 PINOS/800 MHZHT BOX* 272 715,36 MOTHERBOARD'S U$ R$ 
 P4 3.0 GHZ 478 PINOS/800 MHZ HT  260 683,80 PARA P4/533 
 P4 3.2 GHZ 478 PINOS/800 MHZHT* 328 862,64 MB PCCHIPS 909G S/V/F/R PRESCOTT* 
59 155,17 
 INTEL LGA P5 MB ECS 651-M S/V/R/F 57 149,91 
 P4 3.4GHZ LGA 775 PINOS BOXPR* 419 1101,97 MB ASUS P4VP-MX S/V/R 85 223,55 
 P4 3.2GHZ LGA 775 PINOS BOXPR* 335 881,05 MB ASUS P4SP-MX S/V/R 70 184,10 
 P4 2.8GHZ LGA 775 PINOS BOXPR* 253 665,39 PARA P4/800 
 AMD SEMPRON K7  MB ASUS P4S800-MX S/V/R - DDR* 106 278,78 
 SEMPRON 2300 88 231,44 MB ASUS P4S800 S/R  107 281,41 
 SEMPRON 2300 BOX* 94 247,22 MB ASUS P4P800E-DELUXE* 165 433,95 
 SEMPRON 2400 96 252,48 MB INTEL 865 PEARLX SOM/REDE* 196 515,48 
 AMD SEMPRON K8 754 PINOS MB ASUS P4P800-SE* 148 389,24 
 SEMPRON 2500 BOX 754 PINOS* 80 210,40 PARA INTEL LGA * 
 SEMPRON 2600 BOX 754 PINOS* 94 247,22 MB ASUS P5P800 S/R* 105 276,15 
 SEMPRON 2800 BOX 754 PINOS* 112 294,56 MB ASUS P5GPL S/R* 132 347,16 
 SEMPRON 3000 BOX 754 PINOS* 130 341,90 MB ASUS P5S800-VM S/V/R* 91 239,33 
 ATHLON 64 AMD/333 
 AMD 64-2800 BOX S754* 162 426,06 MB MSI KM3M-V S/V/R* 79 207,77 
 AMD 64-3000 S754 BOX* 221 581,23 MB ECS 741GX-M S/V/F/R* 55 144,65 
 AMD 64-3000 S939* 220 578,60 MB PC CHIPS M863G S/V/F/R * 58 152,54 
 AMD 64-3500 S939 BOX* 339 891,57 MB ASUS A7S8X-MX S/V/R DDR* 70 184,10 
 AMD 64-3400 BOX S754* 325 854,75 MB ASUS A7V8X-X S/V/R * 82 215,66 
 AMD 64 3200 S939 BOX* 278 731,14 AMD/400 
 MEMÓRIAS U$ R$ MB ASUS A7V400-MX S/V/R 103 270,89 
 PC100/DIMM MB A7N8X-X SOM E REDE SATA 81 213,03 
 PC100 256MB SDRAM 51 134,13 MB A7N8X-VM S/V/R DDR 400* 114 299,82 
 PC133/DIMM MB A7N8X-E DELUXE S/R SATA* 105 276,15 
 PC133 128 MB SDRAM* 22 57,86 AMD64 
 PC133 256 MB SDRAM* 65 170,95 MB ASUS K8V-X S/R SATA* 99 260,37 
 PC133 512 MB SDRAM* 82 215,66 MB ASUS K8S-MX S/V/R* 93 244,59 
 DDR PC2700/333mhz MB AMD64 S939 ASUS A8V DELUXE S/R* 140 368,20 
 PC2700 128 MB DDR/333 21 55,23 MB ASUS K8N-E DELUXE S/R * 129 339,27 
 PC2700 256 MB DDR/333 31 81,53 VGA U$ R$ 
 PC2700 512 MB DDR/333 59 155,17 VGA AGP  64MB GFORCE4MX4000* 52 136,76 
 PC2700 1024 MB DDR/333  CORSAIR 181 476,03 VGA AGP  64MB GFORCE4  MX440 T8X TV 
 45 118,35 
 DDR PC3200/400mhz VGA AGP 128MB GECUBE 9550 80 210,40 
 PC3200 256 MB DDR/400 31 81,53 VGA AGP 128MB FX5200 69 181,47 
 PC3200 512 MB DDR/400 59 155,17 VGA PCI 64MB MX440* 59 155,17 
 PC3200 1024 MB DDR/400KINGSTON* 170 447,10 VGA AGP 256MB FX5500* 90 236,70 
 PC3200 512 MB DDR/400KINGSTON* 85 223,55 MODEM U$ R$ 
 PC3200 1024 MB DDR/400kingston* 188 494,44 MODEM MOTOROLA 56K V.92 12 31,56 
 DDR2 * MODEM LG 56K V.92 12 31,56 
 PC533 512MB CORSAIR* 82 215,66 MODEM  56 K V.92 12 31,56 
 PC533 512MB * 63 165,69 MODEM 56K EXT USB LG  Consulte Consulte 
 PC533 1GB  CORSAIR* 163 428,69 MODEM ADSL ROUTER LG 300C EXT Consulte Consulte 
 PC533 1GB * 144 378,72 DRIVE/CD/GRAVADORES U$ R$ 
 PERIFÉRICOS U$ R$ DRIVE 1.44 MB 12 31,56 
 CAIXA DE SOM 200 WATS 8 21,04 DRIVE DE CD 52X LG 23 60,49 
 CAIXA DE SOM 500 WATTS SUB-WOOFER 17 44,71 DRIVE DE CD 52X LG PRETO* Consulte 
Consulte 
 COOLER  PARA AMD ATÉ 2.4 15 39,45 DRIVE DE CDRW LG 52X24X40 35 92,05 
 COOLER PARA AMD ATE 3.2 18 47,34 DRIVE DE CDRW LG 52X24X40 PRETO Consulte 
Consulte 
 COOLER PARA P4 ATE 3.2 18 47,34 DRIVE COMBO 52X24X52 DVD 16X LG 49 128,87 
 COOLER PARA P4 ATE 2.6 5 13,15 DRIVE COMBO 52X24X52 DVD 16X LG PRETO Consulte 
Consulte 
 ESTABILIZADOR 0,3 KVA 12 31,56 DRIVE DE DVDRW  LG MOD4163B 63 165,69 
 GABINETE ATX 4 BAIAS USBFRONTAL 42 110,46 DRIVE DE DVDRW  LG MOD4064B* 75 
197,25 
 GABINETE ATX 4 BAIAS USB  PRETO 61 160,43 MONITORES U$ R$ 
 GAVETA PAR

Re: vqadmin

[Lowell Gilbert]

tethys ocean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I want setup vqadmin-2.3.6. FreeBSD 5.4 and qmail-1.03_4 and
> qmailadmin-1.2.7,1 apache+mod_ssl-1.3.33+2.8.22 mysql-server-4.0.24_1 is
> running on my system. Install vqadmin from ports and than setting up depens
> on http://freebsd.qmailrocks.org/vqadmin.htm but it is not running
> 
> installaion by using port with setted up make
> enable-cgibindir=/usr/local/www/cgi-bin enable-htmldir=/usr/local/www/data
> install clean
> 
> my www directory contains these directory and files
> bash-2.05b# ls -als
> total 20
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 9 root wheel 512 Jul 1 21:05 .
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 15 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:07 ..
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:21 cgi
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 5 vpopmail vchkpw 512 Sep 25 14:56 cgi-bin
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Sep 25 14:51 cgi-bin-dist
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 512 Sep 25 15:28 data
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 1024 Sep 25 14:51 data-dist
> 4 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 3584 Jul 1 21:05 icons
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 www www 512 Jul 1 21:05 proxy
> bash-2.05b#
> 
> 
> bash-2.05b# ls -als cgi-bin
> total 10
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 5 vpopmail vchkpw 512 Sep 25 14:56 .
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 9 root wheel 512 Jul 1 21:05 ..
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:21 qmailadmin
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jul 1 20:36 sqwebmail
> 2 drwxr-xr-x 3 vpopmail vchkpw 512 Sep 25 14:51 vqadmin
> bash-2.05b#
> 
> My httpd.conf is
> 
> http://mydomain.com>>
> ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/vqadmin
> ServerName mydomain.com 
> #ServerAlias mydomain.com 
> ScriptAlias /cgi-bin "/usr/local/www/cgi-bin"
> 
> 
> 
> .htaccess is
> 
> AuthType Basic
> AuthUserFile /usr/local/etc/apache/.htpasswd
> AuthName vQadmin
> require valid-user
> satisfy any
> 
> 
> but when *http://www.mydomain.com/cgi-bin/vqadmin/vqadmin.cgi*
> 
>  *Authentication Failed Username unknown*
> 
> *vQadmin was unable to determine your username, which
> means your webserver is improperly configured to run
> with this CGI.  For security reasons, this script
> will not run without Apache htaccess lists.
> 
> vqadmin  2.3.6
> 
> vpopmail  5.4.10*

Does the 
> AuthUserFile /usr/local/etc/apache/.htpasswd
actually exist?
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