One-Way Cable Modem and Firewall/Router?
After years of dialup-only service, I have moved to a new location and gotten broadband access. Only 'one-way' broadband access is available, through an SB3100 Motorola/General Instrument cable modem that communicates upstream via dialup, downstream via cable. I was thinking I ought to set up a hardware firewall, and am considering the Netgear WGT624 router (Atheros chipset) for this purpose. I would only be hooking up a single desktop computer, and wouldn't be needing wireless connection just yet (though the router's capability in this regard will be nice for future home networking). Does anyone know of any problems (or tips) specifically concerning use of a router/firewall with a one-way cable modem? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: problem while installing FreeBSD
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:56:24 -0400 (EDT), Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've used Acronis Partition Expert on a ntfs(w2k3) partition and it worked just fine. Is that a new one on the market? I haven't seen that one before. Partition Magic has been the only one readily available off the shelf in this area. Others have to be mail-ordered. It handled NTFS fine for me, though that was for Win2k. If it is NTFS and it is from the boot floppies, I don't see why being win2k3 would matter, but I avoid Microsloth stuff as much as possible so don't know any of the details there. I tried Acronis a year or two ago, and it seemed to work OK, but it trashed my setup when I uninstalled it. Could well have been user error, but it's the only one of a number of such products (P. Magic, Acronis, and my favorite, BootItNG) with which I've ever had such a problem. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Whats the fastest Windows 2000 like Window Manager ??
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:45:02 -0700 (PDT), "DK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi all, > > I just installed FreeBSD v4.10 > > I would like to install a basic FAST Windows 2000 like Window Manager > that "ONLY" has: > - Basic FAST GUI > - MS Notepad like Editor > - MS Windows Explorer like File Manager > > I am setting this up as a test web server with Apache etc... > > I want very BASIC Windows like GUI with a GUI Text Editor(NOT VI, more > like Notepad) to edit > configuration files etc AND a Windows Explorer like File Manager to move > files easily around & > from the CD(ie. NOT command line stuff!) > > - > My System: > Pentium 200Mhz > 128MB SDRAM > 16MB PCI Creative Graphics Blaster Riva TNT > 10 GIG HD > - > > I have Windows 2000 installed on the Primary Boot partition & that runs > VERY fast > (compared to FreeBSD + KDE or GNOME) > > > Any suggestions/help is greatly appreciated :)) What you want is attainable, but not in the form you're asking for. Linux distros aimed at the former Win user like Mandrake, RedHat/Fedora, etc., have obscured what was once a clear divide between the Win (all-in-one) and *nix (an application for each task) way of doing things. Packages that include window managers, file managers and editors are pretty well restricted to the two big "desktop environments," GNOME and KDE. However, there is a different and fairly easy way to attack the problem, using individual pieces that together will do what you want. The "leanest" desktop environment for Linux/Unix/FreeBSD is XFCE4. It includes a window manager and a file manager, is fairly easy to use, and is much lighter on resources than GNOME or KDE. That leaves editors. Preferences among editors can be the stuff of flamewars, but I'll don my asbestos suit and say that nedit seems to me to be fairly lightweight and easy to use. If you want to assemble your "package" from 3 pieces rather than 2, then some choices you might consider are: Window Managers - - Blackbox/Fluxbox/Openbox: Blackbox and variants, minimalist but adequate, lightning-fast and easy enough to use if you can right-click. - Icewm: A bit less minimalistic than the -boxes, still fast. I found configuring icewm to my liking a bit more difficult than it was with the -boxes. File Managers - - Rox-filer: Nice, fairly intuitive, simple lightweight GUI file manager. Re: editors, I've already mentioned nedit. Also - I know you didn't ask, but if you want to use a browser, Opera is small, fast and works very nicely. I'm sure others will have various suggestions in all these categories. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Whats the fastest Windows 2000 like Window Manager ??
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:28:16 +0200, "Mark Weinem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, Jud wrote: > > > The "leanest" desktop environment for Linux/Unix/FreeBSD is XFCE4. > > I don't think so; look here: > > http://www.xwinman.org/otherdesktops.html Oops, right you are. My fault for thinking of a bunch of qualifiers (nice-looking, functional, easily available in ports, that I am familiar with) and failing to include any of these qualifiers in what I wrote. Thanks for bringing up the xwinman site in this thread - it's a nice resource that I used extensively as a newbie. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Recommended PCI Modem for FreeBSD + HylaFax
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:08:07 +0100, Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Suhaimi Jamalludin wrote: Hi All, I'm using FreeBSD 5.2.1 on my Intel Server Board SE7501WV2 machine. I have a request from my users to setup a FaxServer on this machine. I'm planning to buy a PCI Modem for this machine and Install HylaFAX on it. Can anybody advice me or recommended which PCI Modem that can work perfectly with FreeBSD 5.2.1 and HylaFax? Hi, This isn't a direct answer to your question, but since you do not yet have a modem, and assuming you have a spare port on the machine, it is generally much easier to work with an external modem. Going one step further, external serial modems generally work "out of the box," while I have read several posts to this list asking about various problems with USB modems. Back to the original question, ISTR that a USRobotics "Performance Pro" PCI modem worked for me under the early 4.x versions of FreeBSD. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Running Mozilla FireBird 6.1.6 Under Linux Emulation On FreeBSD 4.10
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 07:50:17 +, Rob DeMarco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2004-08-13 at 15:55, Paul Mather wrote: You should be able to use portupgrade to upgrade your linux_base-6.1_6 to a more recent version. This does assume you have the ports tree installed (and preferably up to date via cvsup) under /usr/ports... While I have some familiarity with the ports tree, I didn't install it this time because of limited disk space (though I suppose I could do a partial port-tree install). Also, my P150 makes compiles long and painful :) To avoid all that, I'm trying to see if a simple binary pkg_add to Linux-emul 7 would do the trick. Portupgrade can be made to use packages (see the man page), avoiding the compile problem. If you don't have portupgrade (sysutils/portupgrade), then you should install it. It's really useful! What he said. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: X configuration problem - new info
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:47:50 -0700, "Jay O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [snip] > After over an hour and a half of downloading (and I have a 1.3MHz DSL) I > tried again. Now I get different error messages, and I don't understand > at all what this unwanted download has done to my computer. > The errors are: > >VGA(0): Virtual height (0) is too small for the hardware (min 1) >Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. > > I'm going to wipe the HD clean again and start over, using my current ISO > CD. This download, with many separate unrelated files, has me really > concerned about what I unwittingly added to my HD. I don't even know > where all the files I saw come in are now placed on the HD! Seems like the problems are with X config rather than what files are living on your HD. There are any number of X config files/tutorials on the Net to read through and compare to what you're getting in /etc/X11/XF86Config. If that doesn't give you a good idea what to fix, send your config file to the list so someone smarter than I am can help you. ;-) > Is there any disadvantage to installing XFree86 with # pkg_add -r XFree86 > as compared to using /stand/sysinstall, select Configure | XFree86 ? You just have to do the config step separately after pkg_add. Otherwise, no difference I'm aware of. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE and Windows XP on one system
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:58:23 +0200, "Marc van Woerkom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >I use the FreeBSD boot manager which comes with the > >system. > > Is there a difference between the one that sysinstall > installs and the one in the tools directory of a > installation cdrom? > > Anyway, I put the 40GB drive as Master at the end of the > cable and the 2GB drive as Slave in the middle (everything > jumpered). > I also read the C/H/S values from the drive cases. > > Installation was ok (the 40GB shows up as ad2, the 2GB as > ad3). But the boot prompt showed > > F1: ??? (refers to XP I guess) > F2: FreeBSD > > F1 didn't do anything (except blanking some characters on > the screen). > F2 came up with a "no kernel 0:ad(0,a)/kernel" or so > message. > > And in the bloody bios I have to set the hd type to > 'none', using 'auto' nor 'user' with C/H/S lead to a hang. > > So I am close to buy a new mobo this evening. Well, I wouldn't dissuade you from the joy of buying new hardware, but you can solve your problem more easily than that if you prefer. Go back to your old familiar drive configuration and do one of the following: 1 - Install the FreeBSD boot loader on *both* hard drives. Also be sure to set the FreeBSD slice (a/k/a "partition" in Windows-speak) bootable during sysinstall. FYI: The '???' label will be for your Windows partition, and it should work. 2 - Use the GAG boot loader. It's simple as can be. http://gag.sourceforge.net/>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Which disk is which
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:55:47 +0800, "John"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote:
> > Hi, John ...
> >
> > As you cc'ed doc@, I'm sending your original mail to them
> > also, so they'll have some background. Comments inline.
> >
> > John Summerfield wrote:
> >
> >> I've booted a 5.2.1 miniinstall CD and got to the point where I choose
> >> which disk to install onto.
> >>
> >> My choices are
> >> ad0
> >> da0
> >>
> >> Great. How do I know which disk is which? _I_ could work it out if the
> >> panel displayed information such as
> >> Brand
> >> Capacity
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Read the *text* in the handbook. As an example, the following
> > appears on the page that you linked in your recent crosspost to doc@:
> >
> >"Consider what would happen if you had two IDE hard disks, one
> >as the master on the first IDE controller, and one as the master
> >on the second IDE controller. If FreeBSD numbered these as it
> >found them, as ad0 and ad1 then everything would work.
> >
> >But if you then added a third disk, as the slave device on the first
> >IDE controller, it would now be ad1, and the previous ad1 would "
> >
> > <>This goes on for another 3-4 paragraphs; it is a discussion of why
> > FreeBSD
> > has basically "hardcoded" disk drive names/numbers into the kernel, (e.g.,
> > why IDE primary master will always be ad0, why secondary slave will always
> > be ad3, etc).
> > Then again, just above figure 2-16 (which is the same as figure 2-20
> > but without an "X" in the checkbox):
> >
> > Figure 2-16
> > <http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.html#SYSINSTALL-FDISK-DRIVE1>
> >
> > shows an example from a system with two IDE disks.
> > They have been called ad0 and ad2.
> >
> >
> > Based on reading these sections/statements of the manual, it would seem
> > somewhat obvious that ad0 is the primary master IDE hard disk. It is
> > hard, then, at least for me, to see this as a fault of the documentation.
> >
>
>
> The drawback to this is that you're writing from the POV of someone who
> knows all this.
>
> I'm not, I don't.
>
> I have booted some other installers on this setup and find they do
> provide more information than the bare OS-dependant name.
>
> Ideally, on my system, the installer would say:
> AD0 Internal IDE drive, primary master, WD102AA 10.2 Gb
> DA0 External USB drive, Cypress ATMR04-0 40 Gb
>
> so most, even modestly, technical people could instantly recognise which
> disk is which.
Not my intent to join in beating you about the head and shoulders, but
what some folks have been trying to say (perhaps tersely, granted) is
that you're writing to people who (1) all have lots of things to do in
the Real World(tm), (2) have far less idea of how you think the
documentation should read than you do, and (3) if they share your ideas
about what the installer should show, which is not certain, haven't had
time to do anything about it. Particularly regarding the installer, it
would appear that the change you want is either not trivial, not a
priority, or both.
Here's how you ought to proceed:
Regarding the documentation, read the Handbook and any other sources you
can find regarding submitting a "patch" (a requested change) to the
docs, do so, and see if someone with authority to make ("commit") the
change agrees with you.
Regarding the installer, see if you can find someone (reading the
freebsd-hackers mailing list might be a place to start) interested in
and capable of making the types of changes you envision, who has time to
spend on the project.
Otherwise, things will remain as they are (actually not horrible from my
point of view - absolutely there is a learning curve, but I strangely
enjoy that sort of thing), since, as others have pointed out, you're
dealing with volunteers.
Hope this helps,
Jud
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Fwd: Re: Which disk is which
It seems we have a volunteer. ;-)
Devon forgot to cc the list and has asked me to forward this. I snipped
a bit near the beginning (hope that's OK with you, Devon).
Jud
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:42:03 +0200, "Devon H. O'Dell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Jud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled:
> > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:55:47 +0800, "John"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote:
> > > > Hi, John ...
> > > >
> > > > As you cc'ed doc@, I'm sending your original mail to them
> > > > also, so they'll have some background. Comments inline.
> > > >
> > > > John Summerfield wrote:
[snip]
> > > > Based on reading these sections/statements of the manual, it would seem
> > > > somewhat obvious that ad0 is the primary master IDE hard disk. It is
> > > > hard, then, at least for me, to see this as a fault of the documentation.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The drawback to this is that you're writing from the POV of someone who
> > > knows all this.
> > >
> > > I'm not, I don't.
> > >
> > > I have booted some other installers on this setup and find they do
> > > provide more information than the bare OS-dependant name.
> > >
> > > Ideally, on my system, the installer would say:
> > > AD0 Internal IDE drive, primary master, WD102AA 10.2 Gb
> > > DA0 External USB drive, Cypress ATMR04-0 40 Gb
> > >
> > > so most, even modestly, technical people could instantly recognise which
> > > disk is which.
> >
> > Not my intent to join in beating you about the head and shoulders, but
> > what some folks have been trying to say (perhaps tersely, granted) is
> > that you're writing to people who (1) all have lots of things to do in
> > the Real World(tm), (2) have far less idea of how you think the
> > documentation should read than you do, and (3) if they share your ideas
> > about what the installer should show, which is not certain, haven't had
> > time to do anything about it. Particularly regarding the installer, it
> > would appear that the change you want is either not trivial, not a
> > priority, or both.
> >
> > Here's how you ought to proceed:
> >
> > Regarding the documentation, read the Handbook and any other sources you
> > can find regarding submitting a "patch" (a requested change) to the
> > docs, do so, and see if someone with authority to make ("commit") the
> > change agrees with you.
> >
> > Regarding the installer, see if you can find someone (reading the
> > freebsd-hackers mailing list might be a place to start) interested in
> > and capable of making the types of changes you envision, who has time to
> > spend on the project.
> >
> > Otherwise, things will remain as they are (actually not horrible from my
> > point of view - absolutely there is a learning curve, but I strangely
> > enjoy that sort of thing), since, as others have pointed out, you're
> > dealing with volunteers.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Jud
>
> Changes to the installer or documentation regarding this should not be
> difficult to implement. I agree that for a new user, this seems quite
> backwards. It is the perogative of most BSD users and developers that
> new users should ``RTFM''; indeed, most aren't used to this. Our new
> users are generally people with a good idea about how computers work who
> haven't had the need to read a manual through installation before.
> People coming from either a Linux, Mac or Windows camp will not be
> familiar with our naming of IDE and SCSI (and USB mass storage, which
> share SCSI namespace, which can also be confusing) devices.
>
> I'm not against the idea of people needing to learn our OS, but the
> installation procedure shouldn't be a curve at all -- it is a one time
> thing (at least for several days/weeks/months) for many new users. How
> is anybody to know that ad0 means IDE Disk 1 Channel 1 from the
> information that was pointed out in the manual. If one person has a
> problem with it, you can be fairly sure that a number of others have as
> well, and have simply kept their mouth shut (or went over to something
> else) for fear of lambastation.
>
> Take a look at the first statements of your reply:
>
> > Not my intent to join in beating you about the head and shoulders, but
> > what some folks have been trying to say (perhaps tersely, granted) is
>
Re: CLI tool for motherboard/CPU temp monitoring.
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:45:02 -0700, "Kenji M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Thanks a lot guys. I'm gonna try these out. > I have 7 boxes in my house without A/C hosting various sites... the room > is approaching 90+ degree with fans blowing full bore... and my house is > 100 > degree... Silicon Valley weather is super hot this year! In that case, see also /usr/ports/sysutils/fvcool. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: how to set up a dual boot system
Marty Landman wrote: At 06:08 PM 2/13/2005, Roland Smith wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 05:40:13PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > I have a box with 3 ide's > > primary master - 4 gb, win 98 currently installed @ 150 mb in size > > primary slave - 4 gb, empty > > secondary slave - 6 gb, empty You can install FreeBSD on any harddisk. If you want dual-boot, you'll need to install a boot manager. Ok, I understand how to do that much but wasn't sure it could work that way. Usually it's best to install Windows first, because it will overwrite the master boot record anyway. Cool, I guessed right (eventually). If you want to install FreeBSD on the first drive, you have to make room for it. Need some enlightenment here. He's just saying you need to make room if you already have another OS where you want to install FreeBSD. In your case, do you have a 150MB partition on your first disk with Win98 installed there, or is the full 4GB disk devoted to Win98, of which 150MB are currently used? Sounds like the latter, in which case you might want to shrink the Win partition, though FreeBSD and all the apps you might want can almost certainly live quite happily in 10GB. I haven't used parted. I have used BootItNG, which has a free 30-day trial, and which I find to be exceptionally easy to use and well documented. Despite the name, it does resize and move Win partitions as well as function as a bootloader. I have used it predominantly for the former, and to make compressed images of my Win installation for backups. I prefer GAG for the bootloader function. It's free, and, like BootItNG, is very easy to use. I think the standard for Windows is to take the entire disk The entire partition afaik. Therefore right now in fbsd terms I have ads0 - 4 gb ads1 - 4 gb ads2 - 6 gb Actually, you have ad0 4GB, ad1 4GB and ad2 6GB. "ad" is an IDE drive in FreeBSD. "s" is "slice," close to synonymous with a Win "partition." If my assumption is correct that the entire first drive is devoted to Windows, then both ad0 (the drive) and ad0s1 (first and only slice on the first drive) are around 4GB. and to go right into the fbsd install would have to give all of ads0 to windows, which I don't want to do. Now, I could reformat the first ide with windows' fdisk... say I did this and created two partitions of .5 & 3.5 gb respectively. They'd be windows partitions so that wouldn't necessarily work, or would it? Doing this I'd have to reinstall windows after. In that case, would fbsd see ads0 - .5 gb ads1 - 3.5 gb ads2 - 4 gb ads3 - 6 gb It would see ad0s1 (the first slice on drive ad0) as .5GB, ad0s2 as 3.5GB, ad1 as 4GB and ad2 as 6GB. If you do shrink your Win installation, you might give it around 1GB, just in order to be quite sure that you wouldn't have to play around with resizing partitions more than once, but it's your call. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual Boot WinXP + FreeBSD
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:14:24 -0300, Julio Cesar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone This is my first post here and I wanted to say that I looked for this info everywhere but didnÂt find thatÂs why IÂm making this simple question. IÂm right now using Win XP but till yesterday I used to run a dual boot system (RedHat 9/XP) but I decided to send RH to Hell and replace it to FreeBSD but when the instalation begun, I realized it couldnÂt read mu NTFS drives so I thought the instalation wouldnÂt work, then I ask you guys: 1. Can I have another dual boot on my machine with XP (NTFS) and FreeBSD? 2. Where can I read more about the process of instalation to keep my XP partition alive? Thank You Julio Cesar MCP ID #3092980 PGP KEY ID 0x7086BA80 (81) 9139-0024 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everywhere, apparently, other than the Frequently Asked Questions link on the home page of the FreeBSD web site. :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER> You will also find many good answers to your question that have appeared in this mailing list if you search at http://freebsd.rambler.ru/>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dynamic DNS Updates
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 02:02:53 +0100 (CET), Cordula's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you decide to use a provider like dyndns.org, you can use the ipcheck port (http://ipcheck.sf.net) to keep your IP address and hostname in sync. Or use ddclient: /usr/ports/dns/ddclient Works perfectly for me (with dyndns.org). That makes two votes on both counts (ddclient and www.dyndns.org). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: something wrong with"shutdown"
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:51:49 -0500, Dany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: On Friday, 2 January 2004 at 4:25:49 +0800, dc wrote: Versino 4.9whenever i use the command "shutdown"or "halt"to shutdown the power,system display"type anykey to reboot"so computer reboot~ Instead of typing a key on the keyboard when you see that message, if you wish to shut down, power off via the power button. If you want to power off without having to use the power button, do as Dany suggests below and use 'shutdown -p now.' Regarding rebooting into Windows rather than FreeBSD, please do as Greg asks and provide more information. Jud and i have to boot windows(i installed FREEBSD and WINDOWS2000). Why? Someone told me to configue the kernel.Add "device acpica"to the kernel and make it ~I did so,nothing changed,porblem is still there.HELP~! It's almost impossible to guess what your problem is. Obviously shutdown works. Did you install the boot selector? Please: 1. Shut down the machine (with shutdown, not halt). 2. When you see "Press any key to reboot", turn the power off. 3. Turn the power on. 4. Describe *exactly* what happens. to turn the power off automatically, you should use : shutdown -p now instead of the -h which gives you this message. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Opera7 won't install from ports collection
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:37:58 -0800 (PST), "Dino Vliet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > How to get cvsup to get past my proxy-server? > > > --- Larry Rosenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --On Tuesday, January 06, 2004 07:40:31 -0800 Dino > > Vliet > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I want to install Opera onto my freebsd version > > 4.9 > > > system and in the /usr/ports/www/opera direcory I > > > issue a "make install clean" > > > > > > I get the following error (see below). > > > Becausse i think my port is looking for > > > opera-7.20-20030919 while the ftp servers are > > offering > > > opera-7.23-20031119 or something like that. > > > What can I do about it? > > > > > > 1) get the old source (but from where) > > > 2) use the new one and rename it to 20030919..but > > I > > > think that will go wrong > > > > > > Can anyone help me with this because I can't > > browse > > > the net!! > > update your ports collection using CVSup. > > > > LER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===> > > > ** > > > ===> NOTE: The native version of Opera can not be > > > ===> installed at the same time as linux-opera. If > > you > > > ===> already have www/linux-opera installed, we > > > ===> recommend you press Ctrl-C now and deinstall > > it. > > > ===> > > > ** > > >>> > > > > > opera-7.20-20030919.1-static-qt.i386.freebsd.tar.bz2 > > > doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > > >>> Attempting to fetch from > > > > > > http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/7.20-Beta-12/intel-freebsd/. > > >>> Attempting to fetch from > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. > > >>> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this > > >>> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try > > > again. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/opera. If you can't ftp or cvsup with the proxy server, I'd suggest using another PC to download an updated ports collection, then the files for Opera and dependencies (these aren't terribly large, so it won't take very long even on a slow connection) and burning these to a CD. You can then use these to update your system that is behind the proxy server and build Opera. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Opera7 won't install from ports collection
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 09:42:25 -0800 (PST), Dino Vliet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I installed freebsd through the http proxy server and that went fine. I can install all other packages just fine because I've set the http_proxy environment variable to our proxy server and everything works fine. Only the cvsup won't work. I'm now installing mozilla-firebird:-( --- Jud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 08:37:58 -0800 (PST), "Dino Vliet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > How to get cvsup to get past my proxy-server? > > > --- Larry Rosenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --On Tuesday, January 06, 2004 07:40:31 -0800 Dino > > Vliet > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I want to install Opera onto my freebsd version > > 4.9 > > > system and in the /usr/ports/www/opera direcory I > > > issue a "make install clean" > > > > > > I get the following error (see below). > > > Becausse i think my port is looking for > > > opera-7.20-20030919 while the ftp servers are > > offering > > > opera-7.23-20031119 or something like that. > > > What can I do about it? > > > > > > 1) get the old source (but from where) > > > 2) use the new one and rename it to 20030919..but > > I > > > think that will go wrong > > > > > > Can anyone help me with this because I can't > > browse > > > the net!! > > update your ports collection using CVSup. > > > > LER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===> > > > ** > > > ===> NOTE: The native version of Opera can not be > > > ===> installed at the same time as linux-opera. If > > you > > > ===> already have www/linux-opera installed, we > > > ===> recommend you press Ctrl-C now and deinstall > > it. > > > ===> > > > ** > > >>> > > > > > opera-7.20-20030919.1-static-qt.i386.freebsd.tar.bz2 > > > doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. > > >>> Attempting to fetch from > > > > > > http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/7.20-Beta-12/intel-freebsd/. > > >>> Attempting to fetch from > > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. > > >>> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this > > >>> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try > > > again. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/www/opera. If you can't ftp or cvsup with the proxy server, I'd suggest using another PC to download an updated ports collection, then the files for Opera and dependencies (these aren't terribly large, so it won't take very long even on a slow connection) and burning these to a CD. You can then use these to update your system that is behind the proxy server and build Opera. If you do want to update ports at some point and have FTP access you can download the full ports tarball from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports-stable/ports.tar.gz>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: choice of boot manager
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:09:04 +, Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not know. Any information about positive or negative experiences with any of these programs in a multiple operating system configuration would be appreciated. This isn't on your list, but I tried using the romantically named "gag" graphical bootloader http://gag.sourceforge.net/ after a few probs with an OpenBSD/W98 installation, and found it extremely good. It's what I use for customers' dual boot machines now because it's quick to install, easy to configure, reliable and pretty. GAG is more automagic than the others you've named, and I think it is a good choice. Ranish shouldn't be used unless you know a *lot* about partitioning. Otherwise it's darned easy to mess things up. GRUB is worthwhile - a good learning experience precisely because it is not automagic. FreeBSD's BootEasy and the NT bootloader both work, though you have to learn how to configure the NT loader, and BootEasy is bare-bones. I currently use GAG with no problems at all to boot -STABLE, -CURRENT, Slackware Linux, Windows 2000 and Windows 98 on a system with a RAID-0 array and a third hard drive. It finds all the OSs itself; all you have to do is assign a number to each. (To boot Linux, you must install Lilo or Grub to the kernel partition.) Hit a number on the keyboard when GAG's screen comes up, and the corresponding OS boots. Easy as that. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: macromedia plugin question
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:22:38 -0800, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 03:19:34PM -0500, Guillaume Paquet wrote: Gary Kline wrote: > >Just wondering... Is anybody working on a reverse-engineered >(100% clean) version of all this macromedia stuff? ... www/linuxpluginwrapper works with linux flash 6 and acrobat reader 5. I'm thinking of ports that work with native BSD suites. Does linuxpluginwrapper work with FBSD 5.x? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Booting Release 5.2 and XP
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:09:49 -0600, greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 08:48, Mark Phillips wrote: [... snip ...] Hi Greg, I've just rebooted back into SUSE from FreeBSD. I use Grub to boot them both, and Win2k (for how often it gets used, I might as well dump it ;-)) I can safely say even with UFS2 on 5.2, I can boot with There is no issue booting kernels on a UFS2 with GRUB. The issue is that GRUB needs to be installed somewhere. There is more to GRUB than the 512 bytes on the MBR. It needs to read config files off of a filesystem. Where are your config files? are they on a UFS2 filesystem? Or are they on your ext2 file systems? If you have have managed to get a GRUB to read it's config files off of UFS2, let me know, and I will research that area. AFAIK, grub can not read it's config files off of UFS2 filesystem. BootIt, which I used for a long time, works quite nicely and automagically; so does GAG, and GAG is - not Windows-dependent, for those who care about such things - free as in beer *and* speech, for those who care about such things :) It also works great - I'm running 5 OSs (including -CURRENT on UFS2) on a 3-drive system (2 in RAID-0, one standalone), and GAG has never had the slightest trouble. http://gag.sourceforge.net/> Enjoy. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Problem booting WinXP from second drive
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:36:27 -0800, Relayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a machine with FreeBSD 4.2 running on one drive. I wanted to try dual booting and mucking about with wine, so I decided to install WinXP as well. To avoid messing up my primary drive, I thought I would be able to accomplish the process in the following way: 1. disconnect primary drive 2. connect second drive (so it looks like the only one in the PC) and install WinXP on it 3. verify that WinXP boots off this drive 4. install FreeBSD boot loader on this drive 5. verify that WinXP boots using FreeBSD boot loader All works as expected to this point. Then I hook up the primary drive again and reboot. I see the following at boot time: F1: FreeBSD F2: FreeBSD F5: Drive 1 I hit F5. Then I see F1: DOS F5: Drive 0 When I hit F1, I expect WinXP to boot. But nothing happens. The machine just sits there. I have scanned a lot of material in the Handbook and on google today and yesterday, but I cannot figure out what I did wrong. Does anybody have any ideas that don't involve using grub or gag or something else? The sleight-of-hand with the drives is unnecessary. :) Let Windows stay on the first drive where it wants to be. FreeBSD is happy on the second drive. The FreeBSD boot loader must be installed on *both* drives. The loader will call your XP drive "???" if it's formatted using NTFS. It will boot XP just fine, it's just that there are several OSs that have filesystems resembling NTFS (e.g., OS/2 and QNX), and the FreeBSD bootloader doesn't have the extra space used by fancier bootloaders to store multiple user-selectable names. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Re[2]: Problems with GRUB
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 16:43:06 +0200, "Robert Golovniov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Monday, February 9, 2004, 4:15:35 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > LG> Not installing from the ports system, for one thing... > > That was the first thing I tried to do, Lowell. :-) Did not work, > although I dont remember what were the error messages. Hello, Robert. Try this: http://freebsd.rambler.ru/srch?words=grub+ufs2> HTH, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: What OS should I use?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:47:50 +0100, "Peter Schuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [snip] > > I also think there may be another issue I haven't diagnosed yet. I tried a > > version of KNOPPIX WFTL edition from a book (Moving to Linux) but it > > wouldn't load on my machine. It asked me to insert another disk but I > > didn't have one (I got the book from the library). It did load on friends > > PC so the disk was good though it ran to slow from the CD ROM to know if > > I'd want Linux. I do know that that the regular KNOPPIX comes with two > > Knoppix is no indication on the speed of Linux - and the same goes for > any > other livecd system. Performance is greatly hampered by the slow seeking > and > reading of the CD. Especially given the (by today's standards) low amount > of > RAM we are talking about. KNOPPIX and other operating systems in livecd form use your RAM as something like a hard drive. Little RAM = low capacity hard drive, maybe too low for KNOPPIX to load everything it needed to run on your machine. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FDISK Can Not Find FreeBSD Drive
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:55:41 +, Peter Risdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] No, Windows can't understand the filesystem there so it treats the drive as though there were no filesystem on it. It's not anything FreeBSD is doing. It's a lack of support in Windows for common filesystems. and how would I go about FDISKing the drive in the future should I desire. Don't. FreeBSD does not need you to run an equivalent of FDISK. As mentioned above, there is something called fdisk in FreeBSD and you'd should avoid it until you understand the issues better. FreeBSD, OTOH, can see your WinME disk. When you've learned what FreeBSD calls your disks, try the following as root or superuser, assuming you have an empty directory called /mnt: # mount_msdosfs [name of WinME location, perhaps /dev/ad0s1] /mnt # ls /mnt When you're done: # umount /mnt For more info, as root, superuser, or regular user: $ man mount FreeBSD can not only read your WinME disk, it can write to it, so be careful not to make unintentional changes. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: CPU heat monitor
On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:48:55 -0600, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm looking for a small applet that monitors the CPU heat. I did a fast search of the ports and really didn't find much based on descriptions - Is there something like that that will run under X? xmbmon Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: CVSup question, which tag for 4.9-RELEASE?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:57:59 -0500, "Bob Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I am running a few boxes(n) on 4.9-RELEASE and am wondering about > updating the ports and source. Using CVSup, should I tag src with > RELENG_4, or RELENG_4_9? And what if any are the differences, that > are not already noted in the handbook? Up to this point, I have not > updated the system since install > > I think I have a rather good grasp of the topic, but there is a little > confusion on my part. I am thinking if I read correctly, using RELENG_4 > will update to the latest in the 4.x branch and I'll be at 4.9-Current, > no? No. No such thing as "4.9-CURRENT." RELENG_4 will update to 4-STABLE, which means it includes whatever updates have been made to -STABLE since the 4.9-RELEASE snapshot (4.x-RELEASE being a snapshot of 4-STABLE). > And RELENG_4_9 will be only updates to the 4.9 branch? 4.9 isn't a branch itself, it's a snapshot of the -STABLE branch. RELENG_4_9 contains only critical updates from the 4.9-RELEASE snapshot, primarily if not exclusively security updates. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Cvsup
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:08:30 -0600, "Joe Stuart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I'm running freebsd 4.8 and trying to use cvsup to update my ports tree. > My supfile contains. > > *default tag=RELENG_4_8 > *default host=cvsup9.freebsd.org > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress > > ports-all > > But when I run it it deleted about %90 of my ports. > Any help is appreciated. Read your ports-supfile where it tells you that this is what will happen if you use the wrong "tag=" entry (it's the section that starts with "WARNING!..." so you'll be sure not to miss it;), and tells you the *only* correct tag to use. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Andy Magana
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:12:10 -0800 (PST), "Andreas Magana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I have recently installed BSD. My card is a Visiontek Xtasy Radeon 128MB > AGP card. Can you reply with some recommendations because it is installed > but I don't sse anything for my cardl. I assume that the "it" that "is installed" is XFree86? If so, choose the generic Radeon driver when configuring XFree86. You don't say which version of FreeBSD you have installed. The 5.x kernel config includes "device agp," but I am not sure if 4.x does. If "device agp" isn't already in your kernel config you may want to recompile it with that device added (or kldload it as a module - I imagine that's possible, though I haven't done it myself). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 4.9-RELEASE + XP Pro problem
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:13:35 -0500 (EST), "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm having a hell of a time getting XP Pro and 4.9 on the same drive. > > I've tried various ways to get them to co-exist to no avail. > > Here's what I'm trying to accomplish; > > > > 30 GB HD total > > > > First 24 GB = XP > > > > Last 6 GB = 4.9 > > > > Installed XP first, then 4.9, said NONE at the boot menu during install. > > There is your problem right there. > You should have selected the full MBR. > Then everything would have fallen in place with none of that > other fixboot stuff at all. > > Just make sure your XP is fully installed first and boots OK > Then install FreeBSD and select the MBR (not 'none' and not 'standard') [snip] Actually, you should choose to install a standard MBR and *not* to use the FreeBSD boot loader in order to accomplish what you describe below. > > What I want is to have the nt boot loader give the choice to boot into > > bsd by using the boot1 -> bootsect.bsd method in boot.ini. Read the following FAQ carefully. If you try it and are unsuccessful, come on back here and let us know what happened. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER> Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: 4.9-RELEASE + XP Pro problem
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:31:35 -0500 (EST), Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:13:35 -0500 (EST), "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm having a hell of a time getting XP Pro and 4.9 on the same drive. > > I've tried various ways to get them to co-exist to no avail. > > Here's what I'm trying to accomplish; > > > > 30 GB HD total > > > > First 24 GB = XP > > > > Last 6 GB = 4.9 > > > > Installed XP first, then 4.9, said NONE at the boot menu during install. > > There is your problem right there. > You should have selected the full MBR. > Then everything would have fallen in place with none of that > other fixboot stuff at all. > > Just make sure your XP is fully installed first and boots OK > Then install FreeBSD and select the MBR (not 'none' and not 'standard') [snip] Actually, you should choose to install a standard MBR and *not* to use the FreeBSD boot loader in order to accomplish what you describe below. You are wrong here. During the install you are offered three options: BootMgr Install the FreeBSD Boot Manager Standard Install a standard MBR (no boot manager) None Leave the Master Boot Record untouched You want to choose the first one to install the FreeBSD Boot Manager The standard boot record will only boot FreeBSD and nothing else. If the OP had said he wanted to use the FreeBSD boot loader, I would have been wrong to tell him to install the standard MBR. But what he asked for is to use the *NT bootloader* to boot into FreeBSD. (Read what the OP wrote just below my sig.) To do what he asked (use the NT bootloader), rather than what you are intent on telling him (how to use the FreeBSD bootloader), the correct method is to install a standard MBR and then follow the instructions in the FAQ I cited below. Jud > > What I want is to have the nt boot loader give the choice to boot into > > bsd by using the boot1 -> bootsect.bsd method in boot.ini. Read the following FAQ carefully. If you try it and are unsuccessful, come on back here and let us know what happened. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER> ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:25:11 +, Ceri Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matt Seaman posted a link to a crappy "here is what CSS can do" mockup that I posted to doc@ just before the commit mentioned above - it's at http://shrike.submonkey.net/~ceri/data2/index.html (be sure to let all the images load - this is on a slow link - and be aware that it doesn't work properly in IE for reasons that DES mentioned elsewhere). Hey, that's rather cute (in Linux-Opera). Looking forward to further developments. Re fonts, the Bitstream Vera set is very nice. It's available as a port - suppose there's no pressing reason to include it in the base (it's reasonably small)? Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: portupgrade time, xorg ports
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 11:58:03 -0800, Jay O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] I ran portupgrade -a -N -vu -rR, and it tried several times You dont need the -N switch, it's only used for new port installations, not upgrades. Using it carelessly is a bit dangerous, you may find youself installing ports you don't want. Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. I saw an example that used -N and followed it. I'm not clear on what -N really does, but for now I just won't use it! While the manual (man) pages aren't always crystal clear, the one for portupgrade is actually pretty good at explaining what all those letter options are for. Just type at the prompt: $ man portupgrade You'll have a much better idea of what the options do and which ones you want to use for a given situation. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:44:28 -0700, Tom Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any "gotchas" or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. You can use the FreeBSD bootloader to boot both OSs (I believe you must install it on both drives). Another nice (and easy) free bootloader/manager that I use to boot Win2K, FreeBSD, DragonFly and the occasional Linux is GAG - http://gag.sourceforge.net/>. This thermal analyzer program has no counterpart/substitute in FreeBSD? Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:12:33 -0700, Tom Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And here is the link: http://www.crtech.com/sinda.html I don't see anything in ports. Googling turned up some FEA stuff with what appeared to be fairly nice CAD backends that work on Linux and (occasionally) Unix, a couple with (at least advertised) heat and fluid transfer analysis capabilities, but (1) getting these to run on FreeBSD might involve custom work, and (2) FEA with heat/fluid transfer analysis and CAD backend still doesn't necessarily exactly equal what you need. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FBSD boot loader?
On 13 Jan 2005 09:02:42 -, John Conover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a 1024 cylinder limit on the first slice for a dual boot PC system using the FBSD boot loader? I presume there is, but I couldn't find it in the handbook. Maybe I missed it. Somewhere between 1997 and 1999 this stopped being a problem for FreeBSD, which will boot from anywhere the BIOS allows it to. See http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html>. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installing Win2k, winXP64, FBSD i386 and amd64 on one disk
On Tue, 11 May 2004 23:54:37 +0200, Willem Jan Withagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install all of the above on my 200 Gb disk. But things don't really want to work. Any suggestions how to fix the bootmanager error??? Or is it just because thing go beyond cilinder 1024 If so would something like grub/lilo save me? Thanx, --WjW Please include me direct, since I'm not on [EMAIL PROTECTED] But for the moment I've got much harder problems. I can not seem to get the four required systems onto 1 disk. win2k and winXP64 both run perfectly together FBSD i386 and amd64 are also happy with oneanother. But eg. win2k and FBSD i386 using FBSD bootmanager gives error 4 LBA (or something similar) Win2K still boots. And then there is the fight that winXP64 insists in making the whole remaining disk an extended partition, so no more FBSD installs after XP64. To avoid the extended partition problem, install FreeBSD after one of the WindOS, the other two WindOS following FreeBSD. Your difficulties likely have nothing to do with 1024 cylinders, which is a problem only for ancient BIOSes - equipment many years old. If you do have such old equipment, grub and lilo will work no differently with it than Booteasy (FreeBSD's bootloader). I have found GAG http://gag.sourceforge.net/> to be an excellent, easy-to-use boot manager that you may want to try, though if you prefer one of the others you have mentioned, by all means use it. Regarding the '4 LBA' problem, I'm out of my depth there - hope someone else can help you. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dumb question (dual booting WinXP with FBSD on 2nd drive)
On Sun, 2 May 2004 18:58:51 -0400, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually at the moment I can boot to both, just not the I intended. After trying to install the FreeBSD bootloader, and rebooting, I get nothing, I go stright to windows (which, technicaly, is what is suppose to happen). I can not configure boot.ini to load the FreeBSD drive (though the FreeBSD bootloader) becouse I have nothing to point the ini file to (as per the instrctions in the Handbook). Instead, what I have to do is on boot of my PC go into BIOS, Select which drive I want to boot from, reboot and there I go. Now, recently I've discovered how to inturupt BIOS and get it to ask me which drive I want to boot from, but it isn't windows XP boot loader asking, nor is it FreeBSD, Its BIOS, with about 1.5 seconds to catch it before it boots from what ever the setting is at. Have a look at http://gag.sourceforge.net/>, or if you would like to use Grub, it is available in the ports collection (/usr/ports/sysutils/grub). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New work on installer?
On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:14:44 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Lazlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 18 May 2004, Robert Storey wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:00:37 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has there been any new work on the installer or planned? If not, I would like > to help... What about graphical? If you're looking to improve FreeBSD's user-friendliness, more usefual than a GUI installer would be a few network setup tools. To get some idea what I'm talking about, take a look at Slackware's "netconfig" and "adsl-setup" tools. These aren't GUI, just ncurses scripts, but very easy to use. When I was a FBSD newbie, one of my most frustrating experiences was having to manually write and modify /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. I think a lot of newbies get to this point, spend a few frustrating days tearing their hair out, and then give up and go back to Redhat or SUSE. A user-friendly GUI or ncurses script for configuring the new PF firewall would no doubt win a few converts too. Take a look at Guarddog (a Linux tool for IP tables) to get some idea. If you use sysinstall to configure the network it is very similar to Slackware's netconfig, except that it is faster and easier since it is all on once screen and will automatically probe for more information. I've never used dial-up under FreeBSD but there are ppp options in sysinstall as well so presumably it will configure that as well for you. For anyone wanting to set up dial-up or a cable modem with FreeBSD, the article at the URL below is simple and direct: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/14/FreeBSD_Basics.html> It just so happens the same author has just written a new article on FreeBSD networking. I haven't read it yet, but on the basis of her consistently excellent writing I'll recommend it anyway: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/05/13/FreeBSD_Basics.html> Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Fwd: Re: New work on installer?
It appears I may have neglected to cc the list with my initial reply - if not, apologies in advance for any duplication. --- Forwarded message --- From: Jud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Matthew Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, slave-mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: New work on installer? Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 05:35:25 -0400 On Mon, 17 May 2004 18:09:19 +0100, Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 12:38:55PM +, slave-mike wrote: If one were to *not* use the installer to setup a FreeBSD system, (aka, like *old* dos, each step done manually), what are the manual steps involved? It's not something that I have at my finger-tips, as there's generally no need to install without the installer... However, an outline of the process would be something like this: - Boot up system from removable media (CD-Rom, floppy disk), or other external media (eg. Netboot (PXE)). - Slice and partition disk space appropriately - Install boot blocks or MBR if required - Create file systems on the partitions that require them. Temporarily mount the new file systems so that they can be written to. - Copy into place the kernel, kernel modules, the contents of the system directories like /lib, /bin, /sbin. /usr/bin, /usr/sbin This can be from a disk image or .tar file or similar on your installation media, or from any other system accessible over the network. - Edit the crucial configuration files (/etc/fstab, /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/rc.conf, ...) with appropriate data for the system. - Set a root password and possibly add other user accounts as required. - Reboot DragonFlyBSD is a fork of FreeBSD 4.x that, last I looked, lacks sysinstall. Except for DragonFly's 'cpdup' command (for which one could substitute 'tar' or something similar, I suppose), these instructions for installing DragonFly should therefore fairly closely mirror a sysinstall-less FreeBSD install from a convenient ISO: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/src/nrelease/root/README?rev=1.12> Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Is Freebsd graphical?
On Thu, 20 May 2004 19:41:54 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Doug Lawrence wrote: I am very new to anything but Windows and some MAC. I bought a retail box of 4.7 about 2 years ago.It had no printed material.I tried for about a month to get it up and running but I gave up. I was to new. I talked to people in my department about how to learn the program and they suggested I get Redhat 9 off our UCI mirror site. I have done that and have learned a lot over about one year.I got a copy of 5.2.1 off your site and began again.I have done ok now but have questions.I understand what I should be doing to install but areas I believe I should select ALL I cann't figure out how to select the all choice.One spot I select all and the next screen says no packages selected and I cann't backup.This time I am not giving up. Can you help me get back on track? Doug Lawrence [snip] Based on the subject of your email, I'm guessing you're getting frustrated by the fact that your FreeBSD installs end up with a text login instead of a graphical login. If you _are_ successfully getting to the point that you have a text login, then congratulations! You've actually succeeded in installing FreeBSD, you simply have to go through the manual process of configuring XFree86 on your machine (RedHat systems, by contrast, have an automatic XFree86 configure program that does this for you) I recommend that you read through this chapter of the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html and proceed with setting up XFree86. If you hit specific problems, don't hesitate to ask for help on this list again. In case it actually is selecting things during the installation procedure that is a problem, here are tips and a general recommendation. Tips: Often it's the space bar that selects or deselects a choice, and there is also a key to step back in the installation (escape, maybe? can't remember for sure). You may also need to tab or use the arrow keys in order to highlight selections before choosing them. General recommendation: The Handbook's installation guide is excellent - print it out and have it with you when you install. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html> Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
How to Cure Disk/Controller (RAID) Problem?
I have an ASUS A7V333 motherboard with a Promise 20276 onboard chip controlling two IBM 120GXP 40GB hard drives in RAID-0 (striped) configuration. This configuration has operated flawlessly for years. However, in the past two weeks, twice when rebooting after the preliminary stages of a DragonFlyBSD installation (disklabel -B -r -w ar0s3 auto), my RAID array has come up broken. Rather than a two-disk array, it shows in the Promise FastTrack BIOS as two striped "arrays" consisting of one 40-gig drive each. After putting the array back together using the BIOS (deleting the two single-disk arrays and re-creating the two-disk RAID-0), the first two slices/partitions in the array (Win2K and a static pagefile) look normal, but the third gives nonsensical status information in both Windows and *BSD, e.g., a size of 1600+ GB. Neither Win nor *BSD will format this slice/partition. IBM's Drive Fitness Test (DFT) shows both disks operating normally. When I tried to use DFT to write zeroes to both disks preparatory to reinstalling from backup images, DFT responded that this utility was only available with IBM drives. (??) (This is an older version of DFT. I have downloaded the most recent version, but haven't had time to try it yet.) I'd very much appreciate advice/recommendations regarding where the problem might be and how to cure it. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Boot0 configuration question...
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:06:44 -0700, "Henrik W Lund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Greetings, list! > > I have a question regarding my boot0 setup. First, let me lay out my > harddrive topology: > > Onboard Serial ATA RAID controller --> 1 HDD, 120 GB all in one slice. > FreeBSD resides on this. > Onboard Secondary IDE controller --> 1 HDD, 20 GB all in one slice. Home > of WinXP. > > On the 120 GB disk, I have installed the boot0 bootmanager. It provides > the following output on startup: > > F1 FreeBSD > F5 Drive 1 > > Now, the thing is, regardless of whether I press F1 or F5, it always > ends up booting the FreeBSD drive (the one on the Serial ATA > controller). What can I do to make it boot from the other one? Can I at > all? The alternatives are entering the BIOS and manually changing the > disks' boot priorities - which is kinda awkward - or installing a > different bootmanager. Both alternatives are not tempting, both because > I like simplicity, and because I don't know what complications (if any) > my running FreeBSD/amd64 might introduce into the installation of > another bootmanager. The FreeBSD bootloader should be installed on *both* hard drives. This will boot WinXP, but will show it in the boot menu as "???" If you prefer a boot manager that allows you to easily enter the names of the OSs you are booting, you might try GAG (http://gag.sourceforge.net/>). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Problems with UDMA harddisks
On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:28:12 +0200 (CEST), "Peter Ulrich Kruppa"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi!
>
> I hope somebody on this list has another good idea, I haven't
> thought of yet:
>
> I have a machine that came with two Excel Stor 40 GB ("Ganymede")
> UDMA/100 harddisks.
> To install FreeBSD 4.10 I had to disable UDMA in the BIOS,
> otherwise they wouldn't have booted (some complaint about ata0).
> Of course I wish to get UDMA working, since this is said to
> improve perfomance significantly.
> I checked if the UDMA cable is plugged into the correct places
> for mainboard, master and slave - this is o.k. .
>
> Are there any other things (bios settings, kernel modules, magic
> chants,...) I could try?
I've been using DragonFly so I am not absolutely certain 4.10 still uses
/boot/loader.conf, but if it does, then inserting the following line in
that file may help:
hw.ata.ata_dma="1"
Jud
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Re: difference between releases
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:29:43 -0500 (EST), Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My only point was that a "Release" should not be "just another snapshot", there should be some "plan". [snip] It is more than just another snapshot. It is a special snapshot that has things frozen and tested in place to make sure they all work together at that level - sort of a barrier condition. Daily snapshots do not have that barrier condition, but are merely a dump of the source files as they are at the moment. [snip] The 5.3-RELEASE announcement contains several links that provide good information regarding its features and bugs, such as both are known after an extended period of real-world testing. See http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/relnotes.html> and http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/errata.html>. With this and other available information (e.g., mailing list discussions over the weeks of testing, and the source code itself for those capable and interested), users are free to decide for themselves which if any version of FreeBSD they wish to run. As a desktop user responsible only to myself, I have found -CURRENT to be more than sufficiently stable for my needs. If I ran a server and were responsible to others, I might decide that the most recent 4.x version, 5.3-RELEASE, or the 5.3-plus-security-and-other-critical-fixes branch fit my needs better. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: dovecot is broken in ports
Madhusudan Singh wrote: On Tuesday 15 March 2005 11:08, Jim Trigg wrote: On Mon, March 14, 2005 11:43 pm, Madhusudan Singh said: Hi Just want to report that dovecot seems to be broken : ===> Returning to build of dovecot-0.99.14 ===> dovecot-0.99.14 depends on shared library: sasl2.2 - found ===> dovecot-0.99.14 depends on shared library: ldap-2.2.7 - found ===> dovecot-0.99.14 depends on shared library: iconv.3 - found [snip] install: /usr/ports/mail/dovecot/work/dovecot-0.99.14/src/imap/imap: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 It looks to me like the problem must be in the ldap integration; I just upgraded my copy last night with no problems, and do use sasl but not ldap. Jim Thanks for your response. However, any attempt to clean it, remove gnutls (pkg_delete) and install it again fails with : ===> dovecot-0.99.14 Currently incompatible with security/gnutls. I do not have gnutls installed now (just removed it). Why should I get this message (even after make clean and make distclean) ? # make config will allow you to redo your config choices and select SSL rather than GNUTLS, support for which is broken in Dovecot itself ATM, thus in the port also. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Boot and MBR.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:18:01 -0900, Mark Weisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just out of curiosity what is the order in creating a dual boot system? Which operating system do you put on first? I see that having WinXP setup in partitions is not a good idea, yet I'm not aware of how to load the system in just a slice? I would appreciate any and all help in trying to get this thing online. I need my workstation back as soon as possible. Thanks. [snip] I've got my primary drive divided in two partitions, one partition had WindowsXP and the other has FreeBSD 5.1-Release on it. I had WindowsXP installed and working until I put FreeBSD on the second partition and had it take control of the MBR. I know that the other partition is still bootable if I can get a pointer to it, currently the boot menu shows it as: F!: ?? F2: FreeBSD How can I get that first menu choice to look at the installation on the first partition as bootable? Making the machine a dual boot between the two system? First off, don't worry about slice vs partition - Jerry was just telling you those are the names used by FreeBSD and Windows, respectively, for the same thing. Second, how to get your dual boot going - 1. I think if you do what you've already done in FreeBSD (set the Windows slice/partition bootable) and then type "w" to write the change, that should work. If it doesn't, two other alternatives - 2. If you have a Win9x emergency boot/system floppy hanging around, use fdisk to set the Windows partition/slice active, then reboot; or 3. Install GAG, a free, easy and automagical boot loader. http://gag.sourceforge.net/>. Hope this helps, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Boot and MBR.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:21:25 -0900, Mark Weisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've tried setting the MBR within fdisk from the FBSD side of the house, however, it won't set. I go through all the motions, yet when it goes to write it says that it can't write to drsk ad0. I then went into a dos boot using a Windows98 boot disk and made the partition active, it still will not boot into the Windows partition. For the life of me, I cannot think of how to fix this. I need some help, any ideas? This is only a single hard drive with both XP and FreeBSD, I'm assuming. You can try three things: 1. Reinstall the FreeBSD bootloader and write the change; or 2. Boot from the Win floppy and type 'fdisk /mbr' (no quotes), or boot from the XP CD, go into the repair console and type 'fixboot' and 'fixmbr'; then reboot into FreeBSD and reinstall the FreeBSD bootloader; or 3. Do step 2, then boot into FreeBSD from the CD, go into post-install configuration, choose to install a normal MBR (not the FreeBSD bootloader), write the change, then install GAG (URL in previous message). There are other options as well, but these should be enough to burden you with for now. :) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Boot and MBR.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:50:03 -0500, "HOLLOW, CHRISTOPHER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jud wrote: [snip] > > 3. Install GAG, a free, easy and automagical boot loader. > http://gag.sourceforge.net/>. > You can also Grub it up: > > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ > http://www.daemonnews.org/200102/grub.html > > > Grub is a popular and well-supported OSS boot loader Absolutely. I've happily used Grub, but turned to GAG when I went to RAID-0. Grub is an excellent bootloader and learning tool. The only reason I didn't include it in my recommendations to the OP was that I figured he'd be happier at this point with something very easy and automagic. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Boot and MBR.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:06:43 -0900, "Mark Weisman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I've installed GAG, and that is a really easy setup! It identified all > the partitions, and what was in them, stepped me through the process of > copying the manager to the disk and everything, kudos for the > recommendation! When I select to boot to the WindowsXP partition, it > come to a black screen with red squares in a diagonal line across the > screen, not sure but it doesn't look good. Have to hit reset on the box > to get out, the three finger salute doesn't work. I see the cursor > blinking in the upper left corner, yet no operating system. Any ideas? First, post. top don't Please Makes things harder to read in sequence. :) Second, you need to fix your WinXP installation. Boot from the WinXP CD and select to repair your installation. Try the automatic repair first. If that doesn't work, select the repair console and use the 'fixboot' and 'fixmbr' commands. If those don't work, boot from a Win9x emergency/system floppy and use fdisk's 'fdisk /mbr' command. Then reinstall the FreeBSD MBR. If you want to continue to use GAG, select the 'normal' MBR for FreeBSD rather than the FreeBSD bootloader. Finally, you will have to redo your GAG configuration, or if your system doesn't boot into GAG, reinstall it. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: linux-opera with anti-alias
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:40:17 +0100, Peter Hollaubek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone succeeded to use the linux-opera port with anti-aliased fonts? During installation it says the WITH_XFT2 variable should be set to enable aa fonts, and it does install the additional linux packages, though the fonts are rendered as usual. I've also tried setting the QT_XFT variable with no effect. Opera uses an older method of anti-aliasing which involves use of an XftConfig file. Though the document at the URL below describes a NetBSD setup, it will work on FreeBSD, and Linux-Opera will be able to display anti-aliased fonts if they are selected in fonts preferences. I find the Bitstream Vera fonts give a very nice appearance. http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-x11/2002/12/29/.html> HTH, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBsd and SCO
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:34:52 -0800, Chuck McManis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 03:06 PM 3/6/2004, Raymond Wiegand wrote: Hi I have a question for you ? I purchased FreeBSD from COMP USA and was wondering that seeing that SCO is going after Linux Users will they be going after BSD user next or is BSD not at all based on their kernal or what every they claim is theirs property. I would like to know before i switch all my system over (2) to Unix Unlike the GPL, the BSD license has already been litigated (see AT&T vs The Regents), there is quite a bit of clarity around the legality of the BSD source. SCO does not at present have a "live" claim in either of its lawsuits (vs. IBM or Autozone) that Linux code was directly copied from source to which SCO owns the rights. There was such a claim in the IBM lawsuit, but it has been dropped. You will also note that these "Linux users" are major corporations. Unless you are the heir to a sizable fortune, I wouldn't worry about SCO wasting the time to sue you. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: linux-opera with anti-alias
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 03:43:45 +0100, Peter Hollaubek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 08:03:09PM -0500, Jud wrote: On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:40:17 +0100, Peter Hollaubek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Has anyone succeeded to use the linux-opera port with anti-aliased fonts? >During installation it says the WITH_XFT2 variable should be set to >enable >aa fonts, and it does install the additional linux packages, though the >fonts are rendered as usual. I've also tried setting the QT_XFT variable >with >no effect. Opera uses an older method of anti-aliasing which involves use of an XftConfig file. Though the document at the URL below describes a NetBSD setup, it will work on FreeBSD, and Linux-Opera will be able to display anti-aliased fonts if they are selected in fonts preferences. I find the Bitstream Vera fonts give a very nice appearance. http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-x11/2002/12/29/.html> Thanks for the reply. Though the solution was not the one You've mentioned, I've found the real one on freebsdforums.org. Just for the archive: Fontconfig uses a configuration file named fonts.conf, xft loads fonts according to this file. Though the configuration was good for native application (for they have a differend version installed with the native port in /usr/X11R6/etc/fonts/fonts.conf), the emulated opera found another one like /usr/compat/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. You only have to symlink the native to the other one, and everything's OK. Maybe this should be done by the linux port automatically. Then I suppose there is more than one "real" solution or it has changed in the very recent past, because an XftConfig file produces lovely anti-aliased fonts for me in Opera. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installation - More user friendly
On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:06:38 -0600, Vulpes Velox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:28:03 -0500 "JJB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] This kind of pointed detailed information embedded into each question installer is asked to respond to, provides the installer with the info necessary to make an informed chose right there in front of them where it belongs and not off in some un-accessible handbook. ...which is why I always tell friends who ask about installing FreeBSD to print the relevant Handbook sections (and read them, and ask questions about what they've read) in advance so the information will be sitting there in front of them. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installation - More user friendly
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:28:44 -0500, Parv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] thusly... I just want to know what the moderator thinks about this and the ethical conditions that are touched... There is no official moderator per se. I think whom you are looking for is "nanny" or "philosopher" ... http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame12.html http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame17.html Also are these kinds of posts tolerated? Well, you are seeing them on this list, aren't you? This will go on until one side tires or looses interest, only to be revived some time later. As always. Just to shoehorn this thread back a bit in the direction whence it came: Looking at http://www.distrowatch.com/>, specifically the page hit rankings (on the right and down a little), at the moment the 5th-ranked Linux distro with an upward trend is Debian, whose install makes FreeBSD's look like an automated marvel in comparison. 6th-ranked, also with an upward trend, is Gentoo, whose install is also relatively non-automated and whose install instructions (the equivalent of the Handbook sections on installation) are often noted for their difficulty. 8th-ranked, again with an upward trend, is Slackware, whose text-based install is very similar to FreeBSD's, with perhaps a bit more help text available. Granted that the top 4 distros either have automagic installs (Mandrake, Fedora/Red Hat) or no install at all (Knoppix, the Debian-based "live CD"), it appears not to be true that popularity (at least the *nix world version) requires a graphical automated install, were that the goal of the FreeBSD project. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: migrate system to new HD question
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:33:34 +1000, anubis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 2:11 pm, Terrac Skiens wrote: Hello All, I have been running a FreeBSD system for fun & semi-pro uses for about 4 years. In all that time I only upgraded the Hard Disk once. That upgrade came at the same time as an OS upgrade, and at that time the server was used for much less. Now the applications, configuration, and data are all very important to me. So now it's time to upgrade again. and I want to migrate all the data from one disk (20gb) to another (80gb). Does anyone know of a way of imaging one drive onto the other? Idealy I would like to increase some of the slices as well, but that may not be possible. If anyone knows of a way, please let me know. There is the ever popular dump and restore method also. This allows you to modify the slice and partition sizes. Do something like this. drop in new disk format up with the sysinstall tools mount the new partitions somewhere restore the data to them edit files like fstab to change the disk names in there or just swap the drives around in the box so the new one is logically where the old one was. reboot look at man dump and man restore If you really want to do it this way I can supply a better dummy sheet. My apologies for coming in late to the discussion. Someone has probably already suggested the following link from the FreeBSD FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NEW-HUGE-DISK> It's simple, it's easy, it works, and it works as fast as or faster than any other method. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Question
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:21:52 -0500 (EST), "Jerry McAllister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > I am very new to this and I have installed the FreeBSD on my computer. > > What is the command that you use to launch the GUI that is installed > > with this?? (I think it was Xfree86 or Xwindows) > > > > Thank you for helping me to learn about this technology. > > Probably you are looking for startx > > But, you must have installed an X manager and configured it properly. > The default is a very basic one called xwm I think and I believe it > gets installed by default when you install XFree86. But, it is very > bare bones. I prefer AfterStep (along with OpenOffice) for most basic > stuff like writing programs and reading Email and editing web pages > because it is quite basic and doesn't get in your way much, but it is a > little more serviceable than plain xwm. If I want more of a desktop I > use KDE which I also install right at the beginning. You need to > tinker startx or something to choose between the two if you want to > switch between them. Then there is Gnome which is just overkill for > my tastes. > > You probably will also need to edit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc > to get things to come up just the way you want. But, they have simple > default configs that can get you started without editing that right > away. > > So, as long as you installed XFree86 and at least one window manager, > just type startx and see what happens and go from there. I've found http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/21/FreeBSD_Basics.html> to be very helpful in outlining the steps to follow. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Top posting
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:04:36 +1030, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:27:57 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > At 2004-03-22T01:23:45Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > > I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is > > one of latency. In an office environment, when you're replying > > within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top > > posting is reasonable. > > Well, I'll concede that it could barely be acceptable under such > conditions. > > > On Usenet and mailing lists, where you see large, complex questions > > that get discussed over the span of days and weeks, interleaved > > posting is the only format that remotely makes sense. > > Sure. Now how do you know in advance to which category each message > belongs? Where do you draw the line? And what's the advantage of top > posting? The very last thing I ever thought I would find myself doing is defending the efficacy of top posting under any circumstances, but, well, here it is: Lotus Notes (at least the versions I've been using at work the last 6 or so years) is configured to top-post, and a good thing, too. As more important problems move up the chain of responsibility at work, you deal with people who have less and less time to spare. They will want to see the couple-of-sentence summary written by the person immediately below them in the chain of command. Depending on what that summary says, they might want to check further (lower). In rare, extraordinary situations, they might read all the way to the last message (typically written by the first person of managerial level to see the problem). For these folks, interleaving or bottom-posting would unnecessarily increase information-gathering and decision-making time, significant if you are making hundreds of critical decisions each day. (Yes, there are valid criticisms of decision-making based on this sort of whispering-down-the-line information.) How do you know in advance? Where do you draw the line? Pretty simple in practice, really, at least in my particular situation. At work (where there is no choice anyway due to Lotus Notes' configuration), particularly when writing to managerial levels above me, I would not hesitate to top-post; even if interleaving were possible, I might think twice about it. For mailing lists and newsgroups, where threads can run as long as value and interest dictate, ISTM that top-posting is a PITA at best, death to understanding at worst. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: XFree86
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:02:10 +, "Matthew Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 10:41:08AM +0300, ZaiD Dashti wrote: > > > why when i write startx my computer hangs ? > > whatis the problem ? > > I guess your X windows is incorrectly configured. I have found this article to be a helpful tutorial: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/21/FreeBSD_Basics.html> HTH, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Botting FreeBSD from GRUB
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:28:42 -0500, "olig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I have Windows XP and Linux already installed on my Laptop and want to > also install FreeBSD (by the way I'm new to FreeBSD but quite > experimented with Linux). I successfully installed FreeBSD on a primary > partition (slice) with most of the default options. However I did > choose to leave the MBR untouched because I want to boot FreeBSD with > GRUB. I can boot Linux and Windows without problems from GRUB, but > can't boot FreeBSD. > And my Grub configuration concerning FreeBSD > > # For booting FreeBSD > title FreeBSD 5.2 > root (hd0,2,a) > kernel /boot/loader > > > When I try to boot FreeBSD I get the following error from grub: > filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xa5 > error 17 cannot mount selected partition > > Also I can't mount the FreeBSD partition under Linux. > # mount -t ufs /dev/hda3 /mnt/freebsd/ > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3, > or too many mounted file systems > > But I can succesfully mount it under FreeBSD booting with the fixit > floppy. 1. Grub and your mount command are having difficulty reading UFS2, the new default filesystem for FreeBSD 5.x. One solution is to choose to use the "old" filesystem, UFS. I have seen previous discussions here about this topic; right now I cannot remember what was said, but you should be able to find these messages with a search from http://freebsd.rambler.ru/>. 2. If the steps you took in response to #1 prove insufficient, choose a "normal" MBR (not the FreeBSD boot loader, not to leave the MBR untouched) when installing FreeBSD. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Transferral between two hard disks
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:21:17 +0100, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi community, > > I would like to transfer the contents of an hard disk > partition,in which is installed FreeBSD (in another partition > is installed NetBSD and another one is unused),to another hard disk. > The recipient hard disk will have only FreeBSD,and is capable to get > all the data from the original. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NEW-HUGE-DISK> HTH, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD on first hard drive - Windows on the second, configuring
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:30:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Hi community, > > I have my PC with two hard drives. > I'd like to configure my PC this way:the first hard disk with FreeBSD, > the second one with Windows Server 2003. > Is possible to use my PC in this way,booting from FreeBSD ? > I would like to use FreeBSD and,by means of Wine emulator, > being able to use Windows on the other disk. I can't tell you about Wine, but you can easily use the FreeBSD bootloader to boot to either FreeBSD or Windows. Because Windows may want to be on the first hard disk and FreeBSD doesn't care, make your FreeBSD disk second in the BIOS boot order. When you install FreeBSD, choose to install the FreeBSD bootloader on *both* of your disks. You will then be able to select at boot time whether to boot into Windows or FreeBSD. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: file systems
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:08:35 -0700, "John Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > What does the warning "file system full" mean? That whatever you are doing has caused you to run out of room. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Upgrade to 4.8 RELEASE
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:21:13 -0400, "Jesse Guardiani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jud wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:04:39 -0400, Robert H. Perry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] > > > Unless there is a specific reason not to do so, cvsup and make world would > > seem to be an easier and altogether better way to go for an upgrade from > > one minor version number to the next. Many users do this quite routinely > > (e.g., I do it once every week or two). See > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html#CUTTING-EDGE-SYNOPSIS>. > > While this section of the Handbook talks about the "cutting edge" > > development branches, -CURRENT and -STABLE, the same process can be used > > to upgrade to a -RELEASE. > > Do you find it impossible to install binary packages after such an > update? > Do you have to use ports after such an update? > > I could never get packages to install properly after cvsuping my source. > I'm wondering if this is somehow by design, or if I did something > wrong... ? Last question first: IIRC, you were a bit confused regarding ports vs. packages, so the reason for failure of packages (or perhaps it was ports?) to install properly may be as simple as typing commands meant for ports when you really wanted to install a package, or vice versa. Installing a package is as easy as typing 'pkg_add' followed by a URL, or a directory location if you've downloaded the package first. Installing a port is also quite easy - just cd to the port's directory and type 'make install clean.' If you cvsup the -CURRENT or 5.x base system sources and make world, then packages expecting a 4.x base system won't install properly. However (again, IIRC), Mr. Perry was contemplating an update from 4.7 to 4.8, so packages built for 4.x should install fine. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ATA Raid cards
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:42:25 +0200, "Mathieu Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, > > I'm in a need of such a card, but I can't find out which cards are only > doing raid under windows with specific drivers, and which cards are doing > real hard raid. Depends what you want to do with it. My experience is with my own desktop machines for RAID-0 or RAID-1, and for those the Promise cards (or equivalent onboard chips in my case) have never given me a problem beyond having to wait a few days for a bit of tweaking in -CURRENT once in a great while. These particular Promise chips don't do "real hard raid" AFAIK, but thanks to Soeren Schmidt they work fine in FreeBSD. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Dynamic Disks & FreeBSD
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:35:20 +0300, "Ivailo Tanusheff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [snip] > But still you can revert dynamic disk to basic from Disk administration > utility in Windows 2000/XP. You will want to take an image of the drive(s) or otherwise backup desired apps and data beforehand. In Win2K, reversion from dynamic to basic disks is a data-destructive process. Has that changed in XP? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: RAID 0 After the install?
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:57:35 -0900, Joe Pokupec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey All, I'd like to use RAID 0 one ATA in my FreeBSD box (it's 4.7 right now, but I plan to upgrade to 5.1 this week). I have some basic questions, if they've been answered already, maybe someone could point me to a link: - If I use a hardware ATA RAID card, are there certain system settings required for FreeBSD to recognize this, or is the RAID format done at a platform-independent level (BIOS or other boot utilities)? FreeBSD has always automagically recognized my RAID0 array (Promise onboard 20265 and 20276). If you set up the RAID array before installing 5.1 you should be fine. There are also FreeBSD HD management utilities that can be used to create and manage RAID arrays (e.g., atacontrol), but I haven't used them. - If one of the 2 hard drives fail, the data will still be visible and accessible on the remaining drive correct? How easy is it to replace the failed drive? Will the data from the good drive automatically copy over to the newly replaced drive or are there a lot of shenanigans involved? You are describing RAID1, not RAID0. Some reading about RAID before you do this is recommended, I think. :) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Clarification on CVS Tags
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:00:32 -0800, "Jason Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Thanks Matthew for your explanation. You answered a lot of my questions. > Makes sense now really. > > Just out of curiosity, why would someone want to use: > > RELENG_4_8_0_RELEASE? > > Is there some type of benefit? > One would think that the best option for production servers is: > > RELENG_4_8 > > THanks for your insight. Releases are thoroughly tested through multiple release candidate stages, but bugs occasionally slip through even there. The security/bugfix branch is not as widely tested, but is reliable to the extent that a few isolated fixes shouldn't break anything and can undergo fairly thorough testing by relatively fewer people. There are those who will trust the thorough testing theory more than the few-isolated-fixes theory. Also, particular production servers may not be running the piece of the base system in which a security hole is found, e.g., sendmail. Both are legitimate reasons to stick with the release rather than the security branch. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Problems with 'make world' stuff
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:09:24 -0800, Jason Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Once I had my sources updated, I did the following: I booted into single mode: cd /usr/src make buildworld cd /usr/src make buildkernel make installkernel I rebooted to test the kernel and that is where I ran into trouble. I did not type make installworld as suggested in the handbook. It said to test the kernel first. I was told I did not have to run mergemaster since this was a brand new install of 4.8. Is that incorrect? I appreciate your help. If the new kernel boots, that's fine. Just continue on with the rest of the Handbook procedure. After you have installed the new world, run mergemaster, and rebooted, then you can test your userland (apps/utilities like top and ps). Stick with the Handbook procedure. Customized build procedures *usually* work (otherwise people wouldn't use them), but the folks who build FreeBSD try to ensure that the steps outlined in the Handbook will pretty much *always* work. BTW, there's a prescribed step I don't see above. Before buildworld, you should update any config files necessary for buildworld by running mergemaster -p (mergemaster with the "pre-buildworld" option). See Section 21.4.3 of the Handbook at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Two questions: WLAN and FBSD Bootloader
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:47:39 +, Andrew Humphries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] 2. My second problem, which isn't really a great problem (more of a vanity thing really), is with the FreeBSD boot loader. On boot the loader looks like this: F1 ??? F2 FreeBSD Default: F2 Now thats all fine and dandy, except the other OS on my hard drive is Windows XP Professional. How do I alter the boot loader to reflect F1 as being WinXP? I've read the man-page for boot0cfg and it doesn't appear to offer what I need, moreover I see no point in fiddling with the existing configuration of the slices. As I said, its mainly vanity. I hope that someone will be able to answer my questions, many thanks in advance, See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#CHANGING-BOOTPROMPT>. If you would like to have WinXP named in the boot menu, you have several alternatives. Section 9.10 of the same FAQ tells you how to use XP's bootloader to boot both XP and FreeBSD. Or you can install Grub from the FreeBSD ports (Grub is very nice - read the online documentation *thoroughly* beforehand). Or for something more automagic, try GAG. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Installation problems
On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:34:39 +, Adrian Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please note I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1 onto a blank system. The system is a Soltek Cubic system with an Athlon 2600+, 512MB DDR RAM, DVD drive and CD-R/W as well as an 80GB HDD and a 40GB one. I have followed the instructions in the book I bought (FreeBSD Unleashed) to the letter but still cannot complete a full installation. I get no error messages at all but still find the installation does not complete as I cannot get it to install a boot record so I have not been able to get it to boot from the HDD. What is wrong? I have tried with both the CD from the book and also an image I downloaded from the net. What do you see when you try to reboot? What do you choose (and *exactly* how) at the point in the installation where you are asked whether you want to install the FreeBSD bootloader? What is installed on your hard drives at the moment? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables not available--
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:57:38 -0500, nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What version of FreeBSD are you using? Did you compile amp into the kernel? I think you're not understanding what I posted @ http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing The first line has what version I'm running. The entire document @ http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing implies; this was a running system with no serious issues; meaning; the sysctl items I'm speaking of were in fact available and working. If i can figure out how to make these sysctl variables available, I can set them like they were before, hence my overheating problem is solved. See what I mean? --- nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem can be viewed @: > http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing > > Basically, the machine is overheating (I believe) > because the cpu's aren't cycling down. > Previously I was able to cycle the processors down > with the following sysctl variables: > > machdep.apm_suspend_delay: > machdep.apm_standby_delay: > > however, for some reason those variables currently, > aren't any where to be found by the > up_and_running system. Please use the hyperlink > above for details. > > Thanks for reading. All feedback is welcome. You may want to have a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/fvcool. (If you'd like a script to run it on startup, Dr. Matthew Seaman posted one to the mailing list some months ago - January?) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables notavailable--
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:09:56 -0500, nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "nw1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter lageotakes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables notavailable-- On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:57:38 -0500, nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> What version of FreeBSD are you using? >> Did you compile amp into the kernel? > > I think you're not understanding what I posted @ > http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing > > The first line has what version I'm running. The entire document @ > http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing > implies; this was a > running system with no serious issues; meaning; the sysctl items I'm > speaking of were in > fact available and working. > > If i can figure out how to make these sysctl variables available, I can > set them like they > were before, hence my overheating problem is solved. > > See what I mean? > >> >> --- nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The problem can be viewed @: >> > >> http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing >> > >> > Basically, the machine is overheating (I believe) >> > because the cpu's aren't cycling down. >> > Previously I was able to cycle the processors down >> > with the following sysctl variables: >> > >> > machdep.apm_suspend_delay: >> > machdep.apm_standby_delay: >> > >> > however, for some reason those variables currently, >> > aren't any where to be found by the >> > up_and_running system. Please use the hyperlink >> > above for details. >> > >> > Thanks for reading. All feedback is welcome. You may want to have a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/fvcool. (If you'd like a script to run it on startup, Dr. Matthew Seaman posted one to the mailing list some months ago - January?) [Please don't top post - makes reading long threads more difficult.] I'm interested in those missing sysctl variables I posted @ http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing. Using a Third party application/script to fix something that was natively working or under control, I don't think, is the way to go and causes another level of complexity. Wouldn't you think? Ah - I thought you were interested in effectively and easily lowering your AMD CPU temperatures by 10-20 degrees Celsius, rather than in getting help searching for sysctl variables that had been more or less effective for you in the past. BTW, if you wish to do "natively" what the fvcool "port" does, the technical documentation at fvcool's site goes some way toward explaining that. Sorry, my mistake. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctlvariablesnotavailable--
dering if there's some sysctl or other knob that can be set > > in FreeBSD that will ameliorate this problem. > > Once again try: > machdep.apm_suspend_delay: 0 > machdep.apm_standby_delay: 0 > > >(I thought > > laptop/mobile CPUs generally were able to step down to lower clock > > speeds to conserve power/run cooler, for example.) If I could do > > system rebuilds and port builds without having to restart that'd be a > > big improvement! :-) > > > > > Unlike the original poster, this is an Intel-based system, not Athlon. > > It's a Gateway Solo 450 laptop. > This is strange, in comparison to my setup. The machine that's giving > this overheat > problem is the build_box (AMD-MP). we have client machines that are all > intel based; P72, > P200 and a 1Ghz processor <-- these machines mount via NFS to the problem > machine and > installworld and kernel using the same src, as the NFS mount implies, > --none of the client > machines needs the following variables/knobs set: > machdep.apm_suspend_delay: 0 > machdep.apm_standby_delay: 0 > as those intel based machines never overheat or exhibit and instability. > Granted, > currently those intel based machines don't do any real work (compiling), > however, but it > wasn't always like that. Before the build box went online as the NFS > server those intel > based clients did their own building and never overheated. On the flip > side of the coin, > the current problem machine sits idle when it overheats subsequently > shutting down. > > > Paul, your situation seems more severe than ours. Try those variables I > showed above for > a temporary fix. They may help. Not sure if the CPU suspend stuff works with non-AMD CPUs. Anyone know? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables notavailable--
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 14:05:02 -0500, "nw1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [snip] > > > I'm interested in those missing sysctl variables I posted @ > > > http://69.3.136.141/freebsd/installation/sysctl_variables_missing. > > > Using a Third party > > > application/script to fix something that was natively working or under > > > control, I don't > > > think, is the way to go and causes another level of complexity. [snip] > No problem, I am interested in any and all *sane/reasonable feedback. I > haven't been to > much a fan of using third party applications to fix something the > original code or > hardware should be able to handle. FVCool isn't a "third party application" as I understand the term. Perhaps a portion of the README file will make things clearer: "As is well known AMD's Athlon/Duron is a 'hot' CPU. It really produces a lot of heat. This is mainly because it consumes a lot of electric power. However, there is an another reason: Generally CPU goes into power-save mode when it is in the idle state, but in almost all the mother boards this is prohibited in the case of Athlon/Duron mother boards in their original BIOS settings. This software changes the PCI configuration data of the chipset (north bridge), and allow Athlon/Duron to go into power-save mode. The principle is very simple if you have information. Actually, you can do exactly the same thing as this software manually by using the 'pciconf' command in FreeBSD. "Why mother board vendors release their products with such BIOS settings? Well, there is a reason: There is a possibility to get the system unstable and/or even to hang or crash the system. Therefore, this software is somewhat dangerous in this respect, and I will not take any responsibilities for problems caused by using this software. Please check the original Martin Peters's VCool web site for learning more of technical details: http://vcool.occludo.net/"; So what FVCool does is utilize the 'pciconf' command to encourage AMD CPUs to go into power-save mode when idle, a function most motherboard manufacturers turn off for the stability reasons mentioned by FVCool's author. As the documentation says, you can manually make these changes with the 'pciconf' command, but why not save typing by installing the port and running the 'fvcool' command, or run it automatically with a script? Based on the names of the sysctls you're after, I'd speculate they may operate in much (or even exactly) the same way. That is why I wondered, in response to your advice to Paul Mather, whether those sysctl settings would work with Intel CPUs. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Overheating attributed to Freebsd --sysctl variables not available--
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:01:00 -0500, nw1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] "Why mother board vendors release their products with such BIOS settings? What's the reason? Not sure if this is what you were asking, but the reason is explained in the quoted lines just below: Well, there is a reason: There is a possibility to get the system unstable and/or even to hang or crash the system." [snip] What I've understood from this particular posting is this: the motherboards used for the AMD Athlon/Duron(s) have a default BIOS setting --not allowing the processors to go into 'Power Saving Mode' --while intel based --default BIOS settings: *do allow 'Power Saving Mode' for the processor(s). y/n? I don't know enough to be able to tell you whether Intel-based mobos are configured by default to allow a "power saving mode," or if the fact that Intel CPUs run cooler (I remember reading a memorable description of the Athlon Thunderbird as a "blowtorch on the head of a pin") means "power saving mode" never becomes an issue. That seems to be just a bit disturbing. If we could for the purposes of this paragraph alone, suspend the notion of *over heating while idling*... As someone stated earlier in the thread, what about these cpu's under heavy load within FreeBSD? <-- in our case, without the air-conditioner on;--> will overheat and shutdown I have put these cpu's under heavy load in a non FreeBSD environment and the hardware refuses to break down, overheat or shutdown -- Unsuspend the notion of *over heating while idling*... -- Should we turn our air-conditioner off and set: machdep.apm_suspend_delay: 1 machdep.apm_standby_delay: 1 and let this dual AMD idle, the machine will overheat and shutdown in a matter of hours. Once the room is at a tempurature warm enough to make the machine shutdown, the only way to keep that machine on for more than five (5) to Twenty (20) minutes is to turn the air-conditioner on and leave it on. Should we turn our air-conditioner off and set: machdep.apm_suspend_delay: 0 machdep.apm_standby_delay: 0 Run a script to loop: make buildworld && make buildkernel KERNCONF= The machine seems to run like a champ without overheating/shutting down. SUMMARY: I hear all of what you're saying here, however, if we leave apm out of this altogether, whether inTel, AMD or any other processor, shouldn't the processor(s), dual or not, be able to run full-throttle or, idle without overheating/ shutting down? Yes, but: Let's say for some reason (e.g., heat conducting cement/paste interface not quite so nicely done on this particular unit) that this unit runs hot in the first place. I don't know if the Other OS is tuned to the CPU, or has hooks into low-level functions in the CPU, or the CPU is tuned by the manufacturer to the Other OS, so that it remains just *this* side of shutdown with the Other OS, and goes just *that* side of shutdown with FreeBSD. (We're way beyond my level of knowledge here, so if any of this really is correct I just got lucky.:) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Flash, FreeBSD and Opera
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:08:39 -0500, "William O'Higgins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:19:07PM -0800, lists wrote: > > >I just got Flash working on FreeBSD 4.8 RELEASE, so I hope this helps > >you with 5.1. > > > >First off, I'm running linux-opera from the ports. Here is the output > >from pkg_info | grep opera: linux-opera-7.11.20030515_2. > > > >Second, I installed the port for Flash, the output from pkg_inf | grep > >flash is: linux-flashplugin-6.0r79 The official Macromedia Flash Player > >for Linux Mozilla and > > > >I downloaded the flash port here: > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux-flash&stype=all&release=4.9-STABLE%2Fi386 > > > >Once the Flash player is installed, I went to my Opera plugins directory > >located at: /usr/X11R6/share/opera/plugins > > > >I then ran the following commands: > > > >ln -s /usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/flashplayer.xpt > >ln -s /usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/libflashplayer.so > > > >Then I started opera and all was happy. > > > I just did this, but I am unable to register the plugin in Opera. I am > using FreeBSD 4.8 and Opera 7.21. > > I am not sure if this is a problem, but this is the output of pkg_info | > grep opera: > > linux-opera-6.12.20030305 A blazingly fast, full-featured, > standards-compliant browse > opera-6.12.20030305 A blazingly fast, full-featured, standards-compliant > browse > opera-7.21.20031013 A blazingly fast, full-featured, standards-compliant > browse > > I have set the synlinks in the plugins directory, and since that didn't > work I also added /usr/local/lib/linux-flashplugin6/ to the plugin path, > to no avail. Anyone have any suggestions? Native and Linux Opera behave differently with respect to plugins IME. That is, the former doesn't work with them, the latter does. pkg_delete your various Opera versions, then install linux-opera from ports. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: DVD
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 01:05:20 -0800, William Dean DeVries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe some program is starting a sound daemon, like esd or something. If you started gnome or kde or possible anything else this may be the case. You should maybe use run 'ps aux' and see what is running when the sound doesn't work. If you have a sound daemon running it should be possible to make mplayer use it. You could try 'shutdown now'(it will quit all you programs) which will drop your system into single user mode after you mplayer's sound quits and then type 'exit'. I never reboot unless I have to. If the works after-wards its probably something using the sound device. You really should't be using root for anything but maintenance(ie watching movie should probably be done as a user). --James Here is the output from dmesg on my DVD acd0: DVD-ROM at ata1-master PIO4 Using FreeBSD 4.8 When I play a DVD with mplayer (usually with these options) mplayer -brightness 9 -autosync 30 -dvd 1 /dev/dvd I can play the DVD without ANY problems what so ever. The problem is this. Say I just booted into FreeBSD, did a startx, loged into root and ran mplayer with those options. It will play fine and no sound problem. After a couple hours or so (using those same commands usually) I can still play the DVD but no sound. If I reboot *AFTER* the sound problem then I get the sound back. There are no other applications running at the same time to block the audio so I don't know what it could be. Other than this small problem, DVD is working pretty good so far for me under FreeBSD. You may get better performance from your DVD player if you include the following line in /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.atapi_dma="1" Try it and see. If it causes a problem you can edit it out. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Windows XP
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:44:50 -0600, Henrik Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 15:34, "Eric Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent a missive stating: Hello. I would like to learn to use FreeBSD. I would also like to have the ability to choose between either Win XP Pro and FreeBSD upon starting up my system. I do have 2 40GB hard drives, plus Partition Magic if I need. My plan at the moment is to simply have Win XP Pro on one hdd, and FBSD on the other. Ok what I would like to know is this: should I install FreeBSD first? Or Win XP first? I am thinking I better not install FreeBSD first because I doubt that WinXP's setup would recognize FreeBSD as a 2nd. O.S. on my system when installing (thereby not providing the ability to choose an O.S. on startup). Any suggestions? My hardware should all be compatible to use FreeBSD. Yeah, install XP first and then stick BSD on there. The boot manager from BSD, although not very elegant, will let you choose XP or BSD on startup. You can setup XP's to boot another OS as well, but it's more difficult. One OS per drive should work fine as well. Have fun. One OS per drive is fine. You can boot both OSs with FreeBSD's boot loader (if you do this, install the FreeBSD bootloader on *both* drives); you can boot both with XP's boot loader (it's one of the FAQs at FreeBSD's web site, though admittedly the language is not entirely clear to me regarding how to use XP's bootloader where FBSD and XP are on different drives); you can use Grub from the FreeBSD ports collection, a bit more involved but provides good learning experience about bootloaders; or you can go the easy, automagic route with the free GAG bootloader http://gag.sourceforge.net/>. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD Essay.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:41:40 +0100, "Alex de Kruijff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 07:01:36PM +, Lewis Thompson wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > I'm a first year CS student at Manchester and I've been given the task > > of writing a 1,000 word essay on something computer-related. It can be > > pretty much anything I want (I think). I've decided FreeBSD is > > interesting, the OS I advocate and that I shall write about this. > > > > I am planning to write a brief history of the four BSDs, going way > > back in time (probably a few words on Ritchie, etc.) but then > > concentrate on FreeBSD. > > My advise would be to pick one subject and stick with that. Don't go > into the history in general if you for something detailed about FreeBSD > and if you go for the hirstory don't write about something detailed. > You'll proberbly find that you have lots to write about. > > I have two subjects you may like: > 1. The history starting from 1978 until now. Perhaps something about the > feutere of BSD (dead), BSDi (could be dead), FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. > 2. FreeBSD 5 (History of FreeBSD 5, feutes, compersent betwain 4 and 5 > and 5 and linux. If you have space over one detailed subject.) > > The history in it self should be larg enove and intersating on its own. > You could start with the outcomming of Unix and go on to the univeristy > of Berkley. Then go to the outcomming of FreeBSD, NetBSD and BSDi. > Followed by the lawsute betain Unix and BSDi & BSD. Then OpenBSD came > out in 1995. Recently Apple followed with Darwin (based on NetBSD and > FreeBSD). As altenative there are two CD versions (NetBox and FreeBIE) > and a small version (PicoBSD) wich are based on FreeBSD. Ending with a > compersent betwain all versions. > > > I'm really asking if anybody can suggest any particularly interesting > > topics that I can go away and research and then include in my essay. I > > guess since it's only a short essay I can't have /too/ much detail and I > > didn't particularly want to try and explain something /very/ complicated > > (although please suggest just the same ;). > > Another subject would be the outcomming of FreeBSD 5. If you go this way > skip the general history!! Only go for the relevent history for this > version. Then coninue on the new and cool feutures of FreeBSD 5. Maybe > talk about one or two in more detail. And a compersent betwain FreeBSD 4 > and 5. For something sufficiently technical as well as a bit controversial, what about comparing/contrasting the two roads from version 4 of FreeBSD - version 5 vs. DragonflyBSD? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual Booting FreeBSD
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:46:27 -0500 (EST), Michael L. Squires <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 40 gigs. Would it be easier to install FreeBSD on the unformatted partition or the new hard drive for the purpose of dual booting with xp? Also, does anyone know how to set up a dual boot system or know of a good guide to doing so? I have one system which uses XOSL with separate disks (SCSI) for FreeBSD 5.1-CURRENT and XP, and another using the standard FBSD boot manager where the primary disk is all XP and FreeBSD uses the first partition of the secondary drive. Both work fine. Actually, your FreeBSD install can use both the new drive and the free space on the original drive, but if you'd rather have 40GB to use on something else, that's fine. If you install FreeBSD (or at least the root partition) on the new drive and you use FreeBSD's bootloader, be sure to install the bootloader on *both* drives. There are instructions regarding how to dual boot using the Windows bootloader in the FAQ at the FreeBSD web site. I have always found the instructions for doing this with both OSs on one drive easier to understand than the instructions for two drives, but your experience may be different. Other available free bootloaders include the abovementioned XOSL, Grub from the FreeBSD ports system, and the one I'm using now (after having tried all the above except XOSL), GAG, which is very easy and automagic. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware)
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:01:08 -0600, Bryan Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suck when it comes to hardware. I know so little about hardware. My dad said he is gonna get me about $400.00 worth of computer parts for Christmas/Birthday sence they are so close so I can start building a new custom PC. I have already picked out the case I want. I found a Antec PlusView1000AMG chassis I like for $80.00 on e-bay so that is the first thing I have chosen to get. Next is to choose a mother board. I am wanting a ASUS just because I hear alot of people talking about it on the forums, irc etc and think I would be happy with it. One of the things I am confused about it the onboard sound. I don't want onboard sound. Or do I? I am using a Sound Blaster Live!/PCI card now and I think I want to stick with a PCI sound card. If the motherboard from asus has onboard sound can I use a PCI sound card? Is it best to use a PCI sound card or onboard? I get confused when it comes with PCI sound cards and onboard sound. What is really over all best when it comes to performance and features that is supported in FreeBSD? So, I have a Chassis picked out and *just* a brand name motherboard I want to buy. Any sertain models you people would recommend on a Asus motherboard? Remember, I know pretty much nothing about hardware, I have $400 to spend, if the amount of the chassis ($80.00) plus the price of the motherboard yall *may* recommend doesn't equal up to $400 could you give some more recommendations on parts? Maybe video cards, power supply and cooling? I was thinking about buying the TrueBlue 480 Watt PSU 480 Watt ATX12V Illuminated from antec. Good idea? Recommend something else that I can get the same things from this power supply in another one but cheaper? Sorry about the crazy questions but I know nothing about hardware and I would like to get some *real* opinions on hardware on FreeBSD. This system will most deffinately have FreeBSD installed. I think I will always use FreeBSD as long as I own a computer. I'm pretty sure I can get a case that's $80.00, a mother board around $100 or so, a power supply, *maybe* a video card and a hard drive for around $400. What else can you tell me to help out? I appreciate any responses I get. He wants me to hurry up and tell him what I want so he can go on and order it for me. You can probably give yourself a bit of a crash course by looking at http://www.anandtech.com> and http://www.tomshardware.com>, then take a look through http://www.newegg.com> to see what you can get for your money. Don't forget memory, for which you may want to look at http://www.crucial.com> as well as NewEgg. PC Power and Cooling has high quality stuff, but they may be a bit over your budget. Regarding motherboards and CPUs, AMDs are cheaper than Pentiums for equivalent performance, but AMDs run hotter, meaning the CPU fan must move more air, meaning more noise. Though not the absolute best on price, in terms of quality service and excellent advice on putting together a system you could do a lot worse than talking to Todd at Envision Computer Solutions (http://www.envisioncs.net>). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Opera2
On 18 Nov 2003 12:59:39 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Valerian Galeru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: i have downloaded another version of opera and tried to install it with pkg_add File_name and got a error like this: couldnt find +Content. and other folders...?? It isn't a package, so pkg_add(1) doesn't know what to do with it. Try an updated version of the port. Pardon me for asking, but was your computer connected to the Internet when you tried to "make install" using the port? Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Opera2
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:19:02 -0500, Jud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 18 Nov 2003 12:59:39 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Valerian Galeru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: i have downloaded another version of opera and tried to install it with pkg_add File_name and got a error like this: couldnt find +Content. and other folders...?? It isn't a package, so pkg_add(1) doesn't know what to do with it. Try an updated version of the port. Pardon me for asking, but was your computer connected to the Internet when you tried to "make install" using the port? Sorry, never mind - my fault for not reading carefully. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware)
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:23 -0800 (PST), Dan Strick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My video card choice was a compromise. I wanted something new enough to have hardware support for recent DirectX features, old enough to be well supported by XFree86 and cheap enough to be justifiable. The Radeon 9500/9700 families of cards are the newest for which XFree86 claims substantial support and yet are long out of production and the ATi web site even categorizes the 9500 as "discontinued". The 9000/9500/9700 seem to have been replaced with the 9200/9600/9800. The need for reliable XFree86 support trumped other considerations because I spend virtually all of my time running XFree86 on FreeBSD and very little time running feature hungry whizbang graphics applications. AFAIK XFree86 doesn't have 3D hardware acceleration support for the ATI Radeon 9K cards. I have a 9500 (modded to 9700 specs with Riva Tuner) myself and don't miss the 3D support, but that's because I play games only occasionally and use Windows for them. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: New parts for new PC (need help - little knowledge of hardware)
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:58:05 -0600, Bryan Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've put some parts together. This is what I've come up with. Please tell me any recommendations on changes or anything with this system. It will run on FreeBSD. Any comments what so ever is appreciated. Please try to explain in detail when you go to tell me about changing something or whatever so I can understand it and then I can learn it and remember. [snip] Most of this stuff is out of my league price-wise so I can't answer whether it'll work with FreeBSD or not, nor whether the motherboard supports non-ECC memory (it certainly ought to, but you need better information than a gut feeling on my part). I'll just respond about the two areas where I feel semi-competent. System Memory: 2 Crucial PC2100 512MB Good solid choice. There's faster stuff available, but I don't know what your mobo supports nor what the price/performance tradeoff is on faster memory. [snip] Power Supply - From PC Power and Cooling (pcpowercooling.com) Turbo-Cool 510 ATX I notice the Deluxe model is on sale for $9 more than the "standard" 510ATX (this is like calling a Porsche "standard"). If you haven't already, you may want to find out what the difference is and see if you want to pay the additional 9 bucks for it. (An easy way to find out is to call them.) You didn't mention cooling. If the Antec doesn't have a couple of case fans (intake low in front, exhaust high in back), get a couple of the Silencer fans from PC Power and Cooling for that purpose. Try the CPU cooling that comes with the AMDs. If that isn't satisfactory, you may want to have a look at the low noise stuff from "Dr. Thermal" (yeah I know, not the best name), whose CPU heatsinks and fans have provided me by far the quietest, most reliable operation for good cooling levels. See http://www.thermal-integration.com/> for information. Also important is the fact that their stuff is very easily installed. There are few feelings so sickening as jamming a screwdriver into a motherboard while trying to lock down a heat sink (I've done it), and too many heat sinks are set up specifically for this sort of locking. Jud Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD beside WinXP
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:59:29 +0800, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I read somewhere before that there were partition or boot problems after installing 5.1 beside winXP. Has anyone been able to do this successfully? Is there something not obvious that I need to set/tweak while during sysinstall? This partition has seen several versions of Mandrake and Redhat (Fedora is a flap, btw, IMO), and they all do it automatically as if assuming that users DO install their OS beside some Windows. But I have grown tired of the linux fad/hype and just wanna try my favorite server OS on it to see how it does too on the desktop. But at the same time, I need my XP very much. My 40G hardisk is currently partitioned like this..: 512MB Windows swap | 512MB Linux/Unix swap | 20G NTFS | 10G FAT32 | Rest = Linux/Unix Thanks in advance =) chael Everything should work just fine. Read the FAQ at the FreeBSD web site re dual booting with Win as well as extensive prior discussions in this list with detailed advice. (You can search for the latter at http://freebsd.rambler.ru/>.) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: FreeBSD beside WinXP
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:49:49 +0800, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for all the replies. And yes, that's what my FAT32 is for... sort of a mediator for the different OSes which also contains important files but no directories for working applications. Ok, let me get this in short. You basically recommend me to follow this http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#NT-BOOTLOADER ? Or look at GAG (free graphical bootloader, automagic), Grub (in ports, very configurable, requires reading the documentation closely but will teach you a lot about bootloaders), use FreeBSD's own bootloader (not fancy, but it works), or one of the other solutions mentioned in the extensive mailing list discussions I mentioned you might want to search/read. :) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: booting freebsd and openbsd
On 23 Nov 2003 17:59:46 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Paulo Roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I got 4.9 installed on my machine and I need to be able to dual-boot freebsd and openbsd. The freebsd boot-loader recognizes (F2 BSD) but does not boot the openbsd partition. Do I have to set any extra parameter? Funny, I didn't think that should be a problem. What partition type is OpenBSD creating? Another possibility: If you have FreeBSD and OpenBSD on separate disks, the FreeBSD bootloader must be installed on both drives. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Modem
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:01:19 -0500, Jesse Guardiani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: fbsd_user wrote: Read the FBSD handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/userppp.ht Also, you might want to try kppp from the KDE project. It's a graphical front end to Kernal PPP (pppd), and I find that it's much easier to use than the CLI when I need to connect in a hurry on my laptop. I think it's probably a good idea to get user ppp (FreeBSD Handbook) working before switching to kppp though. That way you'll be able to debug easier. The best tutorial I've seen on this remains http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/14/FreeBSD_Basics.html>. 3 years ago as a newbie it was far easier for me to understand than the Handbook. One thing has changed in those 3 years: The user wanting to access the Net must be a member of the 'dialer' group. HTH, Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Boot manager clarification
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:49:21 -0800, Craig Caughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks, I have 2 hard disks, each on their own channel. I have XOSL installed as my boot manager, in Drive 1, Partition 1. I have Windows 2000-Pro on Drive 1, Partition 2. I want to install FreeBSD 5.0 on Drive 2, but use XOSL to load it. Should I install FreeBSD using the "Standard" MBR option, or should I use the "BootMgr" option? I *think* I would want to use the standard, because it seems like the BootMgr option would install in the MBR of Disk 1 and NOT Disk 2, thereby goofing up XOSL (which is what I'm trying to avoid!). You think correctly. :) Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Modem
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:30:05 -0800, Allan Bowhill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 0, Jud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :The best tutorial I've seen on this remains :http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/06/14/FreeBSD_Basics.html>. 3 years :ago as a newbie it was far easier for me to understand than the Handbook. :One thing has changed in those 3 years: The user wanting to access the Net :must be a member of the 'dialer' group. Actually, the group is "network" The article does note that membership in the 'network' group is necessary. But membership in the 'dialer' group is *also* necessary (at least in 5.x - I assume from your message that it may not be necessary in 4.x), and it wasn't AFAIK at the time the article was published. (Or maybe that was because I was using 4.x at the time? Oh well, maybe someone can enlighten me here) IMHO, the best resource for user ppp is still the manpage. Probably one of the best-written manpages there are. I had a rough time with the man page myself. The tutorial, instead of providing what may be an overwhelming number of possible options to a newbie, describes a very simple step-by-step procedure. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [FAQ pointer] Re: changing information in BootMgr
On 05 Dec 2003 17:56:31 -0500, Lowell Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "charles pelletier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: How do you change the labelling info in the BootMgr so that the other OS is no longer listed as "??"? This is a FAQ. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html#CHANGING-BOOTPROMPT Free bootloaders with configurable boot menus include Grub in ports (/usr/ports/sysutils/grub), XOSL (which I haven't tried), and GAG, which was easy (automatic, actually) to set up to boot 5 OSs from a RAID0 array plus a 3rd hard drive. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: i am a new comer totally.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:59:30 +, é åæ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dear freebsd experts: i am a new comer totally. i have duron 800 computer with 256m sdram, cdrom ,fdd 1.44, usb 1.1 cdrom read and write, agp vga 600x800, 8g seagate medalist 8420 ide hard drive already 3g for dos fat32bit and 5g for free bsd which is my young brother taught me. also i have p3-733 cpu with the same configuration as above. i have 4.8,4.9 also 5.1 bsd cdrom version. my question is -1- which version is the best for new comer ? I think 4.9 would suit you well at this point. -2-someone would like to teach me one step by one step ? -3-how many documents or handbook should i or must i read ? The Handbook is online and is an excellent step-by-step guide: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html> After you have read the portions that are relevant to what you want to do, you may wish to ask specific questions on this list. Good luck! I hope you enjoy FreeBSD. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Help (Hdd Partitioning)
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:21:38 +, "SB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Steve B. > > > -- > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "SB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:45 pm > >Subject: Help > > > > > >| Hi there, > >| I'm trying to get onto > >FreeBSD. I'm > >| currently using Win98SE. I have a 300mhz Pentium II with > >160mb ram and a > >| 6.5gb hdd. I'd like to split up some of it for FreeBSD. > >I've never > >| partitioned an hdd before. I'm so lost and confused. I > >don't know where > >| to start. How do I go about partitioning my hdd please? > Xpression wrote: > > >So, what exactly do you want to do ??? Install a fresh copy > >of FreeBSD or both OS ??? > I'd like to have FreeBSD and windows, as a safety-net, while I learn and > experiment with FreeBSD. > > From reading different opinions, it seems that it's a lot less hassle > to get a ready-boxed FreeBSD. That's fine, you can run both OSs on one hard drive whether you burn your own FreeBSD CDs or pay someone else for them. Regarding partitioning, you may want to read the online documentation for BootItNG at . It's shareware, free 30-day trial, and about half the price of Partition Magic if you decide to keep it. It's easy enough to use and has good enough documentation (better in both respects IMO than Partition Magic, probably the market leader) that it is very unlikely you will screw up your Win installation. There is always that chance, however, so back up your valuable data. Try to do some more general reading on partitioning (as applied to multiple OSs) and on the installation of FreeBSD (the online Handbook at the FreeBSD web site is an excellent resource for the latter) to get an idea of what you are doing before attempting this. In fact it is a good idea to print out the section of the Handbook regarding installation beforehand so you have it with you for reference. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual-boot does not work with GRUB
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:58:16 -0600, Tillman Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 01:52:46AM +0100, Jaroslaw Nozderko wrote: I've got the following error: Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xa5 Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition Does GRUB have some problems with FreeBSD partition ? I recently ran into the same problem - I found the solution in an archived posting to the bug-grub@ mailing list (from Sergey Matveychuk on Sep 25 2003, if you're interested). Try this: rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Is your root partition UFS2? GRUB does not understand UFS2 yet as far as I know, so you may need to chainload as in the above example. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Dual-boot does not work with GRUB
On 23 Dec 2003 20:24:34 +0100, Jaroslaw Nozderko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Jud, Tillman, Bill, On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:58:16 -0600, Tillman Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 01:52:46AM +0100, Jaroslaw Nozderko wrote: >> I've got the following error: >> >> Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0xa5 >> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition >> >> Does GRUB have some problems with FreeBSD partition ? > > I recently ran into the same problem - I found the solution in an > archived posting to the bug-grub@ mailing list (from Sergey Matveychuk > on Sep 25 2003, if you're interested). > > Try this: > > rootnoverify (hd0,1) > chainloader +1 Is your root partition UFS2? GRUB does not understand UFS2 yet as far as I know, so you may need to chainload as in the above example. Jud Yes, it's UFS2, so probably that was a reason. rootnoverify (hd0,1) fails: Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format Fortunately, rootnoverify (hd0,2) chainloader +1 finally works ! Slices are: swap 1 GBad0s3b /home1 1 GBad0s3d / 28 GBad0s3a Why 2, not 1 ? I'm a little bit confused. Because (hd0,1) is only an example. For your setup on ad0s3, (hd0,2) is correct (I think, or should it be (hd0,3)?). Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: PDC20276
-Original Message- From: Vincent Berruchon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:18:13 +0200 Subject: PDC20276 Hi, I've read that the 4-STABLE version of FreeBSD distribution should works without special configuration or patch with motherboard using Promise ATA 133 RAID extension (PDC20276 chipset). The hardware page supported by FreeBSD-i386 (http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.6R/hardware-i386.html#AEN32) indicate only Promise Ultra-33, -66, -100 Perhaps you could help me: Is the Promise ATA133 RAID supported? perhaps it works only in ATA 100 mode, but if it works, it's OK! Thanks _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I, and at least 3 other people I know of, are running 4-STABLE on systems using the PDC20276. It works. Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: bootloader
-Original Message- From: Rap Sucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: bootloader I recently took FreeBSD off my system (350 PII, 2 HDs, bsd on partition of second disk) but the bsd bootloader still shows up on boot and doesnt let Grub (or lilo) show up (from Linux that I installed over the partition) how do i get rid of the bootloader? - Sounds like you're trying to install GRUB on the disk that your system does *not* actually boot from. What happens if you try to install GRUB on the first disk? Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: RE: bootloader
-Original Message- From: "Balaji, Pavan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Jud'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:07:23 -0700 Subject: RE: bootloader > -Original Message- > From: Jud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: bootloader > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Rap Sucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: bootloader > > I recently took FreeBSD off my system (350 PII, 2 HDs, bsd > on partition of second disk) but the bsd bootloader still > shows up on boot and doesnt let Grub (or lilo) show up (from > Linux that I installed over the partition) how do i get rid > of the bootloader? > > > - > > Sounds like you're trying to install GRUB on the disk > that your system does *not* actually boot from. What > happens if you try to install GRUB on the first disk? > > Jud _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I'm not too sure about this. My impression was that all bootloaders (including grub) load themselves into the primary disk -- do you have an option to specify which harddisk you want to load to. Infact that's the reason why most (if not all) Operating Systems need the primary partition to be on the primary harddisk. Pavan Balaji, CIS Graduate Student, Ohio State University _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Yes, GRUB gives you the option. The GRUB documentation is available at http://www.gnu.org/manual/grub/html_mono/grub.html . In any case, the solution is the same, given that I imagine the system is booting from the first disk, while, having uninstalled FBSD from the second disk, Rap is wondering why he still sees its bootloader. Rap should install on the first disk the bootloader he wants to use. Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
Re: new user woes
-Original Message- From: chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:54:58 -0700 Subject: Re: new user woes At 03:22 PM 7/12/2002 +0200, you wrote: >On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 01:41:59AM -0700, chris wrote: > > Hello, two things, > > > > One, I have an extended fat32 partition on the same drive (ide) that > > FreeBSD 4.6 is installed on. I have tried mounting it with 'mount -t > msdos > > /dev/ad0s5 /mnt', but only to get a 'Device not configured' error. > >Could you post the output of `mount`? I've once had troubles too with >mounting fat32 partitions since the slice-numbering often turns out to be >different from what you might expect. the partition i want to mount isn't listed in mount, but here's the output anyway: /dev/ad4s1a on / (ufs, local) /dev/ad4s1f on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad4s1g on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad4s1e on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates) procfs on /proc (procfs, local) also, fdisk displays the slice i'm having trouble mounting as ad4s2, which i've also tried to mount, but I get an 'Invalid argument' error if I do so. [snip] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Couple of thoughts: 1. Why are you trying to mount ad*0*s5 rather than ad*4*s5 if the fat32 partition is on the same disk as FreeBSD? 2. Don't know exactly why, since the two should be equivalent, but once or twice I've had better luck with the mount_msdos formulation than mount -t msdos. HTH, Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
