Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-09 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Wojciech Puchar 
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote:

  Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and
 retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing.


 or bad data stored because of non-disk errors.


 in this case any filesystem will store the wrong data. This has little to
do with ZFS.

Beside in production one should run with ECC memory to eliminate
the possibility of incorrect data from memory
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-09 Thread Bruce Cran

On 09/08/2012 16:09, Matthias Gamsjager wrote:

Beside in production one should run with ECC memory to eliminate
the possibility of incorrect data from memory


ECC doesn't detect all memory errors.

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-08 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Of course ZFS doesn't need fsck. Until it fails.



Did you personally try ZFS ?


of course.
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-08 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 07/08/2012 22:09, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 Of course ZFS doesn't need fsck. Until it fails.

It doesn't need fsck for the normal case of filesystem corruption due to
system crashes: in that case, you stand to lose maybe the last one or
two IO transactions that hadn't made it onto the disk yet, but the data
that was already on the disk will still be consistent.

Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and
retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing.  ZFS at
least will discover that this is happening due to the built-in
checksumming and avoid many instances of silent corruption.  What it
can't do is take a filesystem containing random errors and reconstruct a
pristine version from it.  But then what filesystem can?

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-08 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and
retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing.


or bad data stored because of non-disk errors.


least will discover that this is happening due to the built-in
checksumming and avoid many instances of silent corruption.  What it
can't do is take a filesystem containing random errors and reconstruct a
pristine version from it.  But then what filesystem can?

the question is how much can.

Anyway ok i will not try anymore to stop you from your ZFS religion.

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-07 Thread Marco Muskus

El 05/08/12 18:10, Wojciech Puchar escribió:

really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best.


Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use 
L2ARC/ZIL on SSD.

if...

better just move heavy used things on SSD and rest on HDD. really it's 
fastest.





Yes, you can do that ... until the SSD is full
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-07 Thread Marco Muskus

El 05/08/12 20:05, Anonymous Remailer (austria) escribió:

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS

This is not up for discussion.


but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future.

Too many iPads, iPhones, etc?


For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk

If not spelling, or grammar...


and speed will gonna be the differentiator.

A high-school education may well have been the differentiator, but that's
not important right now. Journaling filesystems are not known for speed.
EXT2 will probably outperform ZFS as far as NFS servers go.


English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the 
way to go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service.




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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-07 Thread Marco Muskus

El 05/08/12 18:13, Wojciech Puchar escribió:
with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be 
the differentiator.

true. it is consistently slow.

REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements.


There is no tale, only a feature set:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features



And everything everyone writes is always true.


Did you read the foot notes ? the subsequent links ?

Regards,
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-07 Thread Wojciech Puchar


English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the way to 
go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service.


Of course ZFS doesn't need fsck. Until it fails.


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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-07 Thread Marco Muskus

El 07/08/12 16:09, Wojciech Puchar escribió:


English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the 
way to go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service.


Of course ZFS doesn't need fsck. Until it fails.



Did you personally try ZFS ?
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Hi Ashkan,

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature 
set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS 
because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator.

true. it is consistently slow.

REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements.




Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed.


it's far better to just put manually heavily used things to SSD.
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided.
i want to share it on network via nfs.
which file system is better for it?
thank you

badly imprecise question. you may share any filesystem.

Not sure what you want to achieve. No explanation of raided - this means 
nothing without precise description.


If you ask what i do commonly then i would do 8 gmirror-based RAID1 
volumes, and standard UFS filesystem on each with softupdates (or 
softupdates+journal).


And move as much as possible software directly to machine. Never create 
another level of indirection (like NFS) when not needed.


if you really HAVE to use NFS heavily i strongly recommend using unfsd 
from ports and patch if to AVOID constant fsync, and make sure UPS is 
installed.


NFS protocol is terrible by design (not by implementation) resulting in 
all writes being done synchronously.



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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 03:46:53PM -0500, Marco Muskus wrote:
 Hi Ashkan,
 
 I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the
 feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first
 I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will
 gonna be the differentiator.

The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me.  Do
you have some benchmarks for that?

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the
feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first
I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will
gonna be the differentiator.


The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me.  Do


is ZFS supposed to be faster at all?

really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best.
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Marco Muskus

El 05/08/12 06:22, Wojciech Puchar escribió:

Hi Ashkan,

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the 
feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll 
go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be 
the differentiator.

true. it is consistently slow.

REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements.


There is no tale, only a feature set:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features






Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed.


it's far better to just put manually heavily used things to SSD.



Yes ! That's what actually ZFS do with SSD put the most used elements on it.
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Marco Muskus

El 05/08/12 13:03, Wojciech Puchar escribió:

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the
feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first
I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will
gonna be the differentiator.


The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me.  Do


is ZFS supposed to be faster at all?

really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best.


Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use 
L2ARC/ZIL on SSD.


There is no doubt in the benefits of SSD on the fileservers (SMB, NFS,etc.)


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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best.


Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use L2ARC/ZIL 
on SSD.

if...

better just move heavy used things on SSD and rest on HDD. really it's 
fastest.



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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the 
differentiator.

true. it is consistently slow.

REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements.


There is no tale, only a feature set:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features



And everything everyone writes is always true.
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)

  I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS

This is not up for discussion.

 but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. 

Too many iPads, iPhones, etc?

 For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk

If not spelling, or grammar...

 and speed will gonna be the differentiator.

A high-school education may well have been the differentiator, but that's
not important right now. Journaling filesystems are not known for speed.
EXT2 will probably outperform ZFS as far as NFS servers go.

--
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Be The Differentiator

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of August 5, 2012 10:29:16 AM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have 
said:



I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the
feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first
I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will
gonna be the differentiator.


The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me.  Do
you have some benchmarks for that?


--As for the rest, it is mine.

Particularly in this use-case: From my reading ZFS has a performance hit 
when used as a base filesystem for NFS.  (Largely because it insists on 
*actually following* the NFS spec, and not taking some shortcuts that are 
common elsewhere...)  Not that I have tested that, even on my NFS server. 
(Which runs ZFS - there are other excellent reasons to use it, and speed 
isn't a major concern for that particular box.)


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compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-04 Thread ashkab rahmani
hello
i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided.
i want to share it on network via nfs.
which file system is better for it?
thank you
———
Ashkan R
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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-04 Thread Marco Muskus

Hi Ashkan,

I think that XFS  JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the 
feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go 
with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the 
differentiator.


Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed.


Regards,


El 04/08/12 09:01, ashkab rahmani escribió:

hello
i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided.
i want to share it on network via nfs.
which file system is better for it?
thank you
———
Ashkan R
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xfs portupgrade problem

2010-05-04 Thread Marco Beishuizen

Hi,

After the X.org upgrade to 7.5, xfs fails to upgrade:

===  Building for xfs-1.1.0,1
make  all-am
/usr/local/bin/xmlto -m ./doc/xfs-design.xsl -o doc pdf 
./doc/xfs-design.xml

Making portrait pages on letter paper (215.9mmx279.4mm)
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)
entering extended mode
(./tmp.fo
! Missing $ inserted.
inserted text
$
to be read again
   _
l.71 ...e./fo:block/fo:blockfo:block id=per_

client_processingfo:blo...

?
! Emergency stop.
inserted text
$
to be read again
   _
l.71 ...e./fo:block/fo:blockfo:block id=per_

client_processingfo:blo...

No pages of output.
Transcript written on tmp.log.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-fonts/xfs/work/xfs-1.1.0.
*** Error code 1

I've never seen one of these before.
Has anyone an idea?

Regards,
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Re: kernel panic - umount xfs partition

2009-06-27 Thread Zbigniew Komarnicki
...
 # mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s2 /mnt
 # ls /mnt
 # cp /mnt/my_file /home/zbigniew

I forgot add here that I do then
# umount /mnt

and after that was kernel panic.

I'm sorry for the mistake.

Zbigniew
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kernel panic - umount xfs partition

2009-06-26 Thread Zbigniew Komarnicki
Hello,

I have a Dabian 5.0 and FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p2 on i386 athlon-xp. I have two  
partitions under Debian. They are xfs file system.

So I mount it from FreeBSD

# mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s1 /mnt
# ls /mnt
# umount /mnt

Everything is OK, but now I  do the following

# mount -t xfs -o ro /dev/ad0s2 /mnt
# ls /mnt
# cp /mnt/my_file /home/zbigniew

when cp finish the system was frozen and after a while do reboot.
After reboot I saw coredump on the swap file.

This is only for me or also maybe you have such problem. My system is for 
desktop usage. I work at school. 


Zbigniew
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Is there anyway to mount linux xfs filesystems in 5.4

2005-09-20 Thread jdonahue
This is something really important if I am going to use FreeBSD more.
I need to mount my Gentoo linux which I have on XFS  REISERFS partitions.
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Re: Is there anyway to mount linux xfs filesystems in 5.4

2005-09-20 Thread Peter Clutton
On 9/20/05, jdonahue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 This is something really important if I am going to use FreeBSD more.
 I need to mount my Gentoo linux which I have on XFS  REISERFS partitions.
 --

 You can use mount -t ext2fs /drive /mnt
 Drive is like /dev/ad1 etc and /mnt is mount point
 Not sure bout Reiserfs, might not be able to
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Re: XFS on FreeBSD

2005-06-01 Thread Bill Moran
Craig Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 06:50:38PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote:
  
  I'm interested in the project to port XFS to FreeBSD.  However, every link
  I've traced down leads to a dead end.
 
 An announcement of FreeBSD for XFS was made on March 22 on 
 the freebsd-current mailing list:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-March/047744.html
 
  Does anyone have links to where this project is currently housed, or any
  information about its status?
 
 All the current information about this project
 is located on a new project web page:
 
 http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/

Thanks to everyone who answered.  I'm not sure why I had so much trouble
finding this before.

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XFS on FreeBSD

2005-05-31 Thread Bill Moran

I'm interested in the project to port XFS to FreeBSD.  However, every link
I've traced down leads to a dead end.

Does anyone have links to where this project is currently housed, or any
information about its status?

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Re: XFS on FreeBSD

2005-05-31 Thread Vizion
On Tuesday 31 May 2005 15:50,  the author Bill Moran contributed to the 
dialogue on-
 XFS on FreeBSD: 

I'm interested in the project to port XFS to FreeBSD.  However, every link
I've traced down leads to a dead end.

Does anyone have links to where this project is currently housed, or any
information about its status?
This is all I have on my system (its from www.freebsd.org):
_
SGI XFS port for FreeBSD

Contact: Alexander Kabaev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contact: Russell Cattelan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Not much has changed since last report was submitted. The read-only access XFS 
volumes is quite stable now. The work is underway to rewrite xfs_buf layer to 
minimize local changes intrusiveness. Initial attempt to make XFS code to 
compile and run on amd64 is in progress too.

We really need a care-taker for our userland tools.
_

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Re: XFS on FreeBSD

2005-05-31 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 06:50:38PM -0400, Bill Moran wrote:
 
 I'm interested in the project to port XFS to FreeBSD.  However, every link
 I've traced down leads to a dead end.

An announcement of FreeBSD for XFS was made on March 22 on 
the freebsd-current mailing list:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2005-March/047744.html


 Does anyone have links to where this project is currently housed, or any
 information about its status?

All the current information about this project
is located on a new project web page:

http://people.freebsd.org/~rodrigc/xfs/

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XFS for FreeBSD

2004-10-19 Thread Forrest Aldrich
I've been able to locate some postings that suggested there was an 
effort to get SGI's XFS ported to FreeBSD -- along with some concerns 
about licensing (GPL) issues.

I'd like to get more information - is there an official project, who's 
heading it up, etc. etc.


Thanks.
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xfs support [was: Re: jfs4bsd]

2004-04-21 Thread UBM
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:22:58 +0930
Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Monday, 19 April 2004 at 22:42:17 +0200, Marc UBM Bocklet wrote:
 
  Hiho! :-)
 
  Is there any chance that I can get patches for JFS support under
  FreeBSD?
 
 No.  The project never took off.

Ah, thanks.

What about support for xfs?

Bye
Marc
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Re: xfs support [was: Re: jfs4bsd]

2004-04-21 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Thursday, 22 April 2004 at  0:14:22 +0200, Marc UBM Bocklet wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:22:58 +0930
 Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Monday, 19 April 2004 at 22:42:17 +0200, Marc UBM Bocklet wrote:

 Hiho! :-)

 Is there any chance that I can get patches for JFS support under
 FreeBSD?

 No.  The project never took off.

 Ah, thanks.

 What about support for xfs?

As far as I know, nothing has happened there either.  This would be a
more worthwhile project.

Greg
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Re: xfs support [was: Re: jfs4bsd]

2004-04-21 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 08:05:32AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Thursday, 22 April 2004 at  0:14:22 +0200, Marc UBM Bocklet wrote:
  On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:22:58 +0930
  Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Monday, 19 April 2004 at 22:42:17 +0200, Marc UBM Bocklet wrote:
 
  Hiho! :-)
 
  Is there any chance that I can get patches for JFS support under
  FreeBSD?
 
  No.  The project never took off.
 
  Ah, thanks.
 
  What about support for xfs?
 
 As far as I know, nothing has happened there either.  This would be a
 more worthwhile project.

One of the developers was working on it and had made substantial
progress, but is currently busy with work.  Keep an eye on the fs@
list for announcements when it's ready.

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XFS

2002-12-17 Thread Black Dragon
After a bit of Googling and a search of the list archives, have I 
correctly come to the conclusion that there isn't any, as of yet, 
support for XFS in FreeBSD?

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Re: XFS

2002-12-17 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 17 December 2002 at 20:05:05 -0500, Black Dragon wrote:
 After a bit of Googling and a search of the list archives, have I
 correctly come to the conclusion that there isn't any, as of yet,
 support for XFS in FreeBSD?

Yes.

Greg
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Re: XFS

2002-12-17 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 17 December 2002 at 20:45:33 -0500, Black Dragon wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 11:41:27AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:

 On Tuesday, 17 December 2002 at 20:05:05 -0500, Black Dragon wrote:
 After a bit of Googling and a search of the list archives, have I
 correctly come to the conclusion that there isn't any, as of yet,
 support for XFS in FreeBSD?

 Yes.

 Thank you for the prompt reply.

 I need to set up a tftp server to do an IRIX installation, and because
 I can't mount the installation cds on FreeBSD, I'm going to have to
 install Linux on a spare machine. Bummer. :-(

No, you don't need XFS to net boot.  I spent a lot of time netbooting
Linux from a FreeBSD system, and I didn't use ext2fs for that.

Greg
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