Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Lifts hand!! do share, you never know who might find them joyously useful. Kare On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, Daniel Essin via Freedos-user wrote: I have a box full of PCMCIA ethernet cards. If anyone could use one, I could search them out and post a list. Dan On 7/24/23 6:13 PM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: > Hi folks, > Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. > That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for > the work it seems. > I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have > functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
I have a box full of PCMCIA ethernet cards. If anyone could use one, I could search them out and post a list. Dan On 7/24/23 6:13 PM, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
yes, it has an ethernet port..USB ones as well. On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, Ralf Quint via Freedos-user wrote: On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
On 7/24/2023 6:06 PM, Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Does your 600x include an Ethernet port "on-board", AFAIK, they didn't and you needed (as it was pre-USB days) an PCMCIA/CardBus adapter and that's where the soft brown matter hits the fast rotating appliance... Ralf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi folks, Too many layers in the process for me to try the install. That and the thinkpad, which is a thinkpad 600x is not in condition for the work it seems. I do wonder though if the freedos networking options would have functioned with the on-board Ethernet structure? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
I have an IBM Thinkpad T43 and also either an R40 or R60, (I'd have to go upstairs and check) so if your laptop is either one of those, let me know and I'll try an install. On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 03:18, tom ehlert via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > I have it myself already, unless there has been a update, but wanted to > ask. > > please explain this. > > Tom > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
> I have it myself already, unless there has been a update, but wanted to ask. please explain this. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
not sure why this came privately. Here is the situation. I experience sight loss, and am taking this thinkpad to my office where an associate is going to serve as my reader. Neither i, or anyone in the office space has access to a cd unit. Likewise I will not know in advance what thinkpad, but imagine it is old enough to perhaps match one of the networking drivers provided. So I am seeking the following. 1. are there floppy images for freedos, and if so where might I download them? 2. does this latest edition include the referenced set of networking drivers, and is there an option to install them? 3. does this latest compile include the last edition of the Links browser that uses some forms of JavaScript? I have it myself already, unless there has been a update, but wanted to ask. Thanks everyone, Karen On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 5:45 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? You'll have to hunt for them, sadly. also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? I don't know, but it should be easy to save. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi, Will see of I have a note about the thinkpad model from the person who put it together for me before. I experience sight loss, so providing those details will take some digging. the situation is that I have no way to burn a cd for install, even though the thinkpad has one. My goal was to get boot images, save them to floppies on this machine, take the laptop and floppies to my office and get help doing the install. My only reason for considering freedos is the chance for on board use of the Ethernet setup. Will hunt for what I might have on the machine. On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Louis Santillan wrote: AFAICT, the FDNET package contains packet drivers for (16-bit?) NE2000 and PCnet ethernet cards. The crynwr package has several dozen other packet drivers. If we knew the exact Thinkpad model, we could advise you better. http://crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html WRT saving items to floppy, are you considering a hard drive install or booting from floppy only? On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:46???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56???PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers (usually for old hardware). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
AFAICT, the FDNET package contains packet drivers for (16-bit?) NE2000 and PCnet ethernet cards. The crynwr package has several dozen other packet drivers. If we knew the exact Thinkpad model, we could advise you better. http://crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html WRT saving items to floppy, are you considering a hard drive install or booting from floppy only? On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:46 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need > to hunt them? > also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? > > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user > > wrote: > >> > >> My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the > >> thinkpad. > >> My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking > >> infrastructure in the system itself? > > > > No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers > > (usually for old hardware). > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > >___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need to hunt them? also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers (usually for old hardware). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Correct and it would help to know which machine you are choosing. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 11:02 AM Rugxulo via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user > wrote: > > > > My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the > > thinkpad. > > My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking > > infrastructure in the system itself? > > No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers > (usually for old hardware). > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi, On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user wrote: > > My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the > thinkpad. > My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking > infrastructure in the system itself? No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers (usually for old hardware). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the thinkpad. My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking infrastructure in the system itself? On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Louis Santillan wrote: Depends on the vintage of Thinkpad, but I wouldn't just assume a Thinkpad has a DOS compatible Ethernet card. I would verify. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:08???AM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: Hi folks, Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. Am I correct? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Depends on the vintage of Thinkpad, but I wouldn't just assume a Thinkpad has a DOS compatible Ethernet card. I would verify. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:08 AM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi folks, > Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering > installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. > My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM > Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet > setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. > Am I correct? > Thanks, > Karen > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Hi folks, Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. Am I correct? Thanks, Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
Mateusz Viste [28/08/2020 16.55]: >> I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. > I recommend FreeBASIC (fbc), it's truly an awesome compiler. It features > a "quickbasic-compatibility" switch if you prefer to stay with old-style > basic. Quite compatible with QBasic, and generally faster than the interpreters...except when you try to use PRINT TAB and similar. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
On 8/28/2020 10:14 AM, Jim Hall wrote: Hi Richard Sounds like you are using the FreeDOS 1.2 distribution. We unfortunately included the BW-BASIC Win32 console binary instead of the DOS binary in that release. You can download the updated version from the FreeDOS files archive at ibiblio, or use the version from FreeDOS 1.3RC2 instead. Oopsie... ;-) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
Hi Richard Sounds like you are using the FreeDOS 1.2 distribution. We unfortunately included the BW-BASIC Win32 console binary instead of the DOS binary in that release. You can download the updated version from the FreeDOS files archive at ibiblio, or use the version from FreeDOS 1.3RC2 instead. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 9:49 AM Richard Wegner wrote: > Hi there, > > > I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. I > used to program BASIC on the old VAX/VMS, Apple // series, and Atari 8 > bit series but can't find anything now. I went into C:\DEVEL\BWBASIC > folder and typed in BWBASIC and it said "This program must be run under > Win32". I am also wondering if that is what I am looking for. > > Example BASIC program on what I want to do (a simplified one of course) > > 10 REM > > 20 FOR X = 1 TO 5 > > 30 PRINT X; " is the number" > > 40 NEXT X > > 50 END > > result > > 1 is the number > > 2 is the number... etc > > > Thanks :) > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:33:03 +0200, Richard Wegner wrote: > I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. [...] Here are some options: https://ftp.sunet.se/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/pub/simtelnet/msdos/basic/00_index.txt (It seems to be mostly source code, but I counted at least three interpreters at a quick scan of the readme file.) /Tomas ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
Do a search for “quickbasic for dos” on google and you will find many places to download it. Same with GWBASIC or microsoft basic... Google is your friend! :) Sent from my iPad > On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Richard Wegner wrote: > > Hi there, > > > I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. I used to > program BASIC on the old VAX/VMS, Apple // series, and Atari 8 bit series but > can't find anything now. I went into C:\DEVEL\BWBASIC folder and typed in > BWBASIC and it said "This program must be run under Win32". I am also > wondering if that is what I am looking for. > > Example BASIC program on what I want to do (a simplified one of course) > > 10 REM > > 20 FOR X = 1 TO 5 > > 30 PRINT X; " is the number" > > 40 NEXT X > > 50 END > > result > > 1 is the number > > 2 is the number... etc > > > Thanks :) > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Ffreedos-userdata=02%7C01%7C%7C27cda6c342214420b54908d84b616947%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637342229026570264sdata=lU30vV8AaSboi5GooFFmUHk1JjnTFuePWws4Aq84814%3Dreserved=0 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] BASIC
On 28/08/2020 16:33, Richard Wegner wrote: I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. I recommend FreeBASIC (fbc), it's truly an awesome compiler. It features a "quickbasic-compatibility" switch if you prefer to stay with old-style basic. https://freebasic.net/ Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] BASIC
Hi there, I would like to some BASIC programming but don't know what to use. I used to program BASIC on the old VAX/VMS, Apple // series, and Atari 8 bit series but can't find anything now. I went into C:\DEVEL\BWBASIC folder and typed in BWBASIC and it said "This program must be run under Win32". I am also wondering if that is what I am looking for. Example BASIC program on what I want to do (a simplified one of course) 10 REM 20 FOR X = 1 TO 5 30 PRINT X; " is the number" 40 NEXT X 50 END result 1 is the number 2 is the number... etc Thanks :) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Freedos-user basic how-to questions...
Hi All, I'm fairly new to FreeDOS having discovered it (installed) only about a month ago. I really love it as it has repurposed an older PC a LOT of my very old floppies associated software of yesteryear (1980's +). Anyway, I have 2 how-to questions that I'm hoping I can get help with... 1 How can I use my USB flash drives in FDOS? I checked my CMOS settings. 'Legacy USB' support is enabled, but when I tried accessing the flash drive in FDOS, it wasn't available. I'm assuming, once working, I would be able to use it as a floppy? This would allow me to put files on my modern PC. 2 I'd also like to be able to burn files to my optical drive as opposed to only reading from it. Is there an app to burn files to CD from FDOS? This also would allow me to put files to my modern PC. Other than these 2 things, FDOS has been very useful to me. I'm so thankful for it. -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user basic how-to questions...
Hi, On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Pierre LaMontagne plamo...@comcast.net wrote: I'm fairly new to FreeDOS having discovered it (installed) only about a month ago. I really love it as it has repurposed an older PC a LOT of my very old floppies associated software of yesteryear (1980's +). Anyway, I have 2 how-to questions that I'm hoping I can get help with... 1 How can I use my USB flash drives in FDOS? I checked my CMOS settings. 'Legacy USB' support is enabled, but when I tried accessing the flash drive in FDOS, it wasn't available. I'm assuming, once working, I would be able to use it as a floppy? This would allow me to put files on my modern PC. Since you already mentioned very old floppies, does this mean some of your machines don't have (the appropriately-sized) floppy drives? Usually you can insert a USB jump drive before turning on (booting) and the BIOS should emulate it as a DOS drive for you, assuming it's formatted as (some variant of) FAT (-16, -32). If not, you have to try something like Bret's USB drivers (and your machine must support UHCI) or (from modern Windows) try the RUFUS (bootable DOS USB) installer. http://www.bretjohnson.us/ http://rufus.akeo.ie/ 2 I'd also like to be able to burn files to my optical drive as opposed to only reading from it. Is there an app to burn files to CD from FDOS? This also would allow me to put files to my modern PC. So from old machine to new machine? Old machine has floppy but new doesn't? I assume you don't (or can't or won't) have networking on the old machine (understandable! frustrating!). If you did (maybe even with mTCP + packet driver), that'd be one way. Otherwise, you have to have some drive (hard? floppy?) to install / use with the other machine. In fact, if you can get USB drive working, you can copy files to and from that with ease. This is probably easier than constantly burning a CD-RW or whatever. There might be unofficial (buggy?) builds of cdrkit for DOS. I can't remember the name or version of that alleged DOS (freeware?) CD burning program, and I'm not sure how well it worked. IIRC, the main problem was lacking an ASPI.SYS driver, which is proprietary (closed source, not free nor libre). Hence I don't think FreeDOS proper ships with such a thing (maybe they had an optional .BAT to use wget to grab it back in the day, dunnno ...). Other than these 2 things, FDOS has been very useful to me. I'm so thankful for it. A lot of peripherals depends on decent drivers. I think this is the main problem (or advantage) with any OS these days. This is one big reason why people stick to Linux or Windows. Unfortunately, DOS isn't always supported (well, if at all) by hardware companies. Not trying to be overly pessimistic, but it's the cold hard truth. -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user basic how-to questions...
Pierre LaMontagne schreef op 8-5-2013 16:15: 1 How can I use my USB flash drives in FDOS? I checked my CMOS settings. 'Legacy USB' support is enabled, but when I tried accessing the flash drive in FDOS, it wasn't available. I'm assuming, once working, I would be able to use it as a floppy? This would allow me to put files on my modern PC. Partition format it as FAT32 with Windows tools like RUFUS or RMprepUSB. Then boot from this bootable USB Flash Drive. That's about all the legacy emulation a BIOS will do. Booting from harddisk/floppy then trying to get access to USB Flash Drives is troublesome due to lack of the BIOS emulation (only provided for the booted drive) as well as DOS drivers for USB/SCSI/FireWire controllers. 2 I'd also like to be able to burn files to my optical drive as opposed to only reading from it. Is there an app to burn files to CD from FDOS? This also would allow me to put files to my modern PC. If you're able to find an ASPI driver, then MKISOFS or CDRKIT can do the burning. Usually this means creating a new disk image (ISO file) then writing that to CD. I'm assuming your CD drive is connected to IDE or SATA controller. If not you're out of luck. http://bootcd.narod.ru/index_e.htm lists an ASPI.SYS Other than these 2 things, FDOS has been very useful to me. I'm so thankful for it. Goodluck :) -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos-user basic how-to questions...
Hi Pierre :-) 1 How can I use my USB flash drives in FDOS? I checked my CMOS settings. 'Legacy USB' support is enabled, but when I tried accessing the flash drive in FDOS, it wasn't available. I'm assuming, once working, I would be able to use it as a floppy? This would allow me to put files on my modern PC. As somebody already replied, you could make a bootable USB stick with DOS. Then the BIOS will play the driver for DOS. Note that you cannot plug the stick in or out after booting in that case. Sometimes the BIOS even makes USB disks visible as harddisks if you do NOT boot from them. But you still have to reboot whenever you plug another stick, I think. The other option is to use USB drivers for DOS. At the moment, the Bret Johnson drivers ( http://bretjohnson.us/ ) are a common choice, as they are free and open. There are also shareware DOS drivers, even with USB 3.0 high speed support, by Georg Potthast ( http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ ) which only work for a while after each boot until you register them. Both drivers have the limitation that not all mainboards / chipsets are supported. You can also download a number of older, commercial drivers, which usually came with some hardware but often also work with other. 2 I'd also like to be able to burn files to my optical drive as opposed to only reading from it. Is there an app to burn files to CD from FDOS? This also would allow me to put files to my modern PC. Burning files to CD / DVD / BluRay is hard in DOS, because you need stronger drivers for your (e.g. ATAPI or SATA) drive. Some people have collected commercial drivers which you could use with DOSCDROAST or similar toolkits, with the same problem as using old commercial DOS USB disk drivers. If you find a safe way of using USB sticks, that is probably the solution with less headache. Memory cards such as SD in USB readers also count as USB stick in that sense, and might actually respect the write-protect tab on the card for you. Built-in card readers may or may not behave as USB readers. Note that you can even plug CF memory cards to IDE connectors with simple mechanical adapters. Every operating system and BIOS should accept them as harddisk replacement that way, of course again without the ability to plug them in or out while DOS is running. Note that speed of all sorts of flash sticks or cards is bad in typical DOS use, because DOS does not pool writes and does not usually read-ahead. The latter can be fixed by loading lbacache with the tickle tool. Or you can load uide which is a very big cache. Both only work for BIOS supported drives, they will not notice drives connected with separate drivers. Neither will pool writes, though. Because flash storage is often low in writes per second, you get slow writes with DOS. Other operating systems do few-but-big writes. If your disk is SSD, you can forget most of those but items, SSD are flash disks which are very fast even with bad drivers. Regards, Eric -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
On Jun 24, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi all, I hope you noticed the comment at the end saying that Aitor is NOT actually the sender of this mail. Among others hops, it came along the German Alice DSL IP 85.177.229.61 - the mail header says this: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at ab...@frell.theremailer.net So... No flame wars please, in particular not under false names! Eric And at least in my Inbox, the email was marked Spam, probably because it had false headers. I didn't even see the original until you replied to it. ;-) -jh -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
Hi all, I hope you noticed the comment at the end saying that Aitor is NOT actually the sender of this mail. Among others hops, it came along the German Alice DSL IP 85.177.229.61 - the mail header says this: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at ab...@frell.theremailer.net So... No flame wars please, in particular not under false names! Eric On 24.06.2011 04:25, Aitor Santamaria wrote: A whining commie wrote: Is there a software license open source or not that DOESN'T limit you in some way? [a lot of flamewar bait] Get off your lazy, communist I'm entitled ass and get a job you bum! [Sorry to Aitor Santamaria for hijacking his email address. Looks like you can't post to this list without subscribing or forging email headers so I chose the latter. Bye!] -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense.. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 04:12 +0200, japhethx gmail wrote: [snip] I think everybody has learned the last years that GPL software can be used without any second thoughts and distributed freely.[snip] No. Yes, that's a huge strong point. As long as you provide access to the complete source code, for a fee to cover copying/transmission or gratis is irrelevant. I am also a real fan of the Free Software idea. Otherwise I wouldn't use FreeDOS (which is released under the GPL as well). Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. But who cares about them? I think the GPL is about having fun, about trust and fairness and about learning from others and alllowing others to participate. Thanks for your enthusiasm and propaganda! GPL is a valid license that has its pros and cons. Personally, I don't like it. One reason for this is because it sounds like a political manifesto, which - IMO - insults the readers intelligence. Just my opinion :)). Is there a software license open source or not that DOESN'T limit you in some way? Can a software license not be political? What's really driving this anti-GPL commentary? Sure, you can't hide changes that you make to open source software under the GPL. Why does the GPL exist? Simple, Microsoft is an unchallenged monopoly. The only serious alternative that exists to Windows is open source software. No closed source commercial endeavor can get off the ground. If you like Windows, there is ReactOS. This is a GPL based project that has a ways to go, but I suppose it is somewhat interesting. The GPL is not always convenient, but would you pay for Freedos 1.1 say $100+ if it wasn't free? The answer is clearly no. Freedos will always be free, give or take a sharing fee. GPL software can be fixed even if the original author dies or loses interest in it. With closed source software, this isn't the case at all. With most software these days being old software that needs to be maintained, open source often makes more sense than closed source. Back to networking, DOS by it's very nature is one of the simplest OS'es in existence. DOS hides very little from user space. Security is an afterthought. Networking and security go hand in hand. If one tries to impose a networking standard on DOS or worse one expects to make DOS thread and multi core safe, the product will not be DOS. Freedos has no way of running up to date web browsers. Adding them to freedos, there is a risk that the minimum computer needed will become a Pentium 4 or better. File level security can't be implemented in a DOS environment without breaking old software that isn't aware of the security. I don't know if thread programming is even possible in DOS. I suppose one could develop a hypervisor for multi core systems that implements an independent copy of DOS on each processor core. I understand that there was at one time a multi user version of DOS, but compatibility is going to be an issue trying to implement one. -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
-Original Message- From: Michael C. Robinson [mailto:plu...@robinson-west.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:35 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 04:12 +0200, japhethx gmail wrote: [snip] I think everybody has learned the last years that GPL software can be used without any second thoughts and distributed freely.[snip] No. Yes, that's a huge strong point. As long as you provide access to the complete source code, for a fee to cover copying/transmission or gratis is irrelevant. I am also a real fan of the Free Software idea. Otherwise I wouldn't use FreeDOS (which is released under the GPL as well). Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. But who cares about them? I think the GPL is about having fun, about trust and fairness and about learning from others and alllowing others to participate. Thanks for your enthusiasm and propaganda! GPL is a valid license that has its pros and cons. Personally, I don't like it. One reason for this is because it sounds like a political manifesto, which - IMO - insults the readers intelligence. Just my opinion :)). Is there a software license open source or not that DOESN'T limit you in some way? Can a software license not be political? What's really driving this anti-GPL commentary? Sure, you can't hide changes that you make to open source software under the GPL. Why does the GPL exist? Simple, Microsoft is an unchallenged monopoly. The only serious alternative that exists to Windows is open source software. No closed source commercial endeavor can get off the ground. If you like Windows, there is ReactOS. This is a GPL based project that has a ways to go, but I suppose it is somewhat interesting. The GPL is not always convenient, but would you pay for Freedos 1.1 say $100+ if it wasn't free? The answer is clearly no. Freedos will always be free, give or take a sharing fee. GPL software can be fixed even if the original author dies or loses interest in it. With closed source software, this isn't the case at all. With most software these days being old software that needs to be maintained, open source often makes more sense than closed source. I think his point is that even the GPL can be too restrictive for some people's tastes. There are other, less-restrictive licenses such as Apache. When I do some code, I normally put essentially a public-domain license that says you can do anything you want with my code. I don't expect that anybody will be making money with it, but if they do, that's fine with me. The won't be able to patent it since the fact I already released it makes it prior art, so they can't restrict me from doing more with it as I see fit, so I haven't lost anything. -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
Am 01.06.2011 04:49, schrieb Michael B. Brutman: On 5/31/2011 2:23 AM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros wrote: Hi Ulrich, Michael, others, Now that mTCP is Free Software, I think the next version of FreeDOS should focus on getting basic networking abilities. That's wonderful news :-) Actually this is not really news but just a wish from my side. The discussion what*s part of FreeDOS 1.1 takes place since some time at freedos-devel. I think the developers decide, while we users should publish our expectations and wishes. So I really hope with the release of mTCP as Free Software, mTCP will become part of FreeDOS 1.1 as it has been already discussed in freedos-devel. Are you also contemplating networks for sharing files, i.e., a client- server scheme on which a database could operate? (I use DataPerfect.) There are a lot of possibilities. I had some ideas for a TSR that would present a new DOS drive letter and use a machine elsewhere on the network to provide the actual storage, either in the form of a virtual hard drive or through SMB. It would use the DOS network redirector interface which is not documented by Microsoft, but there are some books and sample code around. But that code is quite a bit different in nature than any of the mTCP code that I have written, so it has not been started yet. Many FreeDOS users (and projects like network bootdisk) still rely on MS Client, which is unfree. If such a mTCP TSR could help us to get rid of this necessity, this would be great. Such a software would adress a real need of users. And it would also be a progress for FreeDOS, just like the MS Workgroup Add-on for DOS has been for MS DOS 5.0. BTW: As a user I find your choice of the GPL as license great. I think everybody has learned the last years that GPL software can be used without any second thoughts and distributed freely. And the software will always be open for development, it will never vanish, just because its author has lost interest or has other reasons to stop his work. That's fine for those who want to use the software. I am also a real fan of the Free Software idea. Otherwise I wouldn't use FreeDOS (which is released under the GPL as well). Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. But who cares about them? I think the GPL is about having fun, about trust and fairness and about learning from others and alllowing others to participate. So this is great for a software project like the one you are just about to start. That's just my opinion. regards Ulrich Hansen -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
On 6/1/2011 5:30 PM, Ulrich Hansen wrote: Actually this is not really news but just a wish from my side. The discussion what*s part of FreeDOS 1.1 takes place since some time at freedos-devel. I think the developers decide, while we users should publish our expectations and wishes. So I really hope with the release of mTCP as Free Software, mTCP will become part of FreeDOS 1.1 as it has been already discussed in freedos-devel. I have only joined the freedos-devel list recently, so I have not seen any of the discussion. (I still consider myself a user primarily.) I think the bigger question is, what does DOS Networking really mean. In its current state there really is no such thing as DOS networking: - Most DOS networking applications do no integrate into DOS in any meaningful way. The exception would be programs that provide network file system access via drive letter. - Because most DOS networking programs are stand-alone applications, there is a great variety of applications. You have everything from tiny SNTP clients to Minuet and Arachne. You have several choice of TCP/IP stacks to build on. - The packet driver interface is a reasonably good standard for communicating with Ethernet cards. But there are other standards out there too. - A TSR that provides networking capability seems to be the natural way to extend DOS. But that approach has drawbacks. It is hard to fit what everybody needs in a single TSR. DOS networking is horribly fragmented because DOS is really network agnostic. The current approach seems to be to provide a variety of programs and let the user decide. Is something else planned? Mike -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
[snip] I think everybody has learned the last years that GPL software can be used without any second thoughts and distributed freely.[snip] No. I am also a real fan of the Free Software idea. Otherwise I wouldn't use FreeDOS (which is released under the GPL as well). Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. But who cares about them? I think the GPL is about having fun, about trust and fairness and about learning from others and alllowing others to participate. Thanks for your enthusiasm and propaganda! GPL is a valid license that has its pros and cons. Personally, I don't like it. One reason for this is because it sounds like a political manifesto, which - IMO - insults the readers intelligence. Just my opinion :)). -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic question on UIDE
Hi Cordata, All this talk about UIDE prompted me to investigate this tool. It looks interesting. How does the caching work for disk writes? I assume that when the cache is full the next sector read in will cause the oldest sector to be written out? Neither UIDE nor lbacache nor cdrcache will pool / delay writes, so writes always happen immediately unless the built-in write cache of your drive is used (many newer drives have one). You could use the DR-DOS NWCACHE for delayed / pooled writes. If you want to run some experiments about how much which NWCACHE setting helps, let me know so I can suggest some settings that I would be interested in :-). Is there any sort of a timer which will flush the cache to the hard drive periodically? How do you make sure that the RAM cache is written to the disk? My personal guess is that it would be safe to limit the amount of dirty (not yet written) cache data to ca 8-128 kB, which should already give quite noticeable speed improvements and flush pending writes after 0.3 to 2.5 seconds or at program exit or at (int 19) reset or when ctrl-alt-del is pressed, whichever happens first. As you know, DOS has no shutdown menu item so people just assume it is fine to switch off or hard reset the computer at any time, but are unlikely to do so exactly at the moment when they write to disk and are likely to first return to the prompt before switching off. As you can see, it is still relatively complex to check for all the suggested flush triggers and drives have their own cache anyway, so neither UIDE nor lbacache took the risk and effort to supply a delayed / pooled write scheme themselves... It would be interesting to have one for slow USB flash memory but then UIDE and lbacache do only cache BIOS int13 drives by default so you would want to cache more cdrcache style or use special DOS USB drivers which include or invoke caching explicitly. A modern BIOS will make USB sticks etc which are already present at boot visible as int13 disks but note that you cannot unplug/exchange drives while DOS is running then. Regards, Eric -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic question on UIDE
All this talk about UIDE prompted me to investigate this tool. It looks interesting. How does the caching work for disk writes? UIDE uses Write Through caching, meaning all output data is written to disk immediately. For SATA/IDE disks handled internally by UIDE, if data fits in one cache block (75% of the time, for 64K blocks used by larger caches), data is moved to that block and output from there. UltraDMA is 32-bit and will do I-O from anywhere in memory, so direct cache I-O is possible. If output crosses over more than one cache block, data is written from the user output buffer, or from a 64K XMS buffer if the user's buffer is unsuitable for UltraDMA (odd address etc.), then moved to cache afterward. For smaller UIDE caches using less than 64K cache blocks, or when I-O crosses over multiple blocks, all I-O occurs on the FIRST block (NO fragmented reads/writes!) and UIDE moves data to the required cache blocks later. Diskettes, SCSI and other disks, whose I-O is handled by their drivers, cause UIDE to call the BIOS (or a callback subroutine for a user driver) then cache data after that call returns to UIDE. I experimented with Write Back caching (delayed writes) but never got it to work, and decided that it needed too many hooks into DOS, e.g. timer, Ctrl/Alt/Del vector, etc.For Write Through caching, UIDE needs to hook only the Int 13h vector for hard-disks, which is more reliable than snaking through the whole DOS system as SMARTDRV or Norton NCACHE2 must do. There is also a problem of power-failure whose only true solution is a U.P.S. (Uninterruptible Power Supply) and I shall NOT be the one to recommend such things for UIDE users! Finally, modern hard disks all have their own on-board write caches which pretty-much eliminate the need for a Write Back cache -- Note how fast deleting a large directory now occurs, with or without UIDE, and you will conclude that the disk write-cache must be helping for many operations! I assume that when the cache is full the next sector read in will cause the oldest sector to be written out? Absolutely! UIDE has a least-recently-use (LRU) linked-list which is part of its cache-block tables, and that list is updated for every I-O. When the cache is full, the cache block at the tail of the list, i.e. the LRU entry, is made free. This occurs at the end of every input or output, so UIDE always has a free cache block to use on the next I-O. Simpler logic, handling things that way! Is there any sort of a timer which will flush the cache to the hard drive periodically? No, and none is required, as UIDE does not delay any writes at all! How do you make sure that the RAM cache is written to the disk? I simply output all data IMMEDIATELY -- NO delayed writes at all! That is both the beauty and the benefit of using only Write Through caching -- NO possibility of data LOSS, due to waiting too long and suffering a power-failure, a bumbling user on the keyboard, etc. as with a Write Back cache like SMARTDRV and NCACHE2! They may still be a bit faster, for some compiler or database operations. But UIDE compensates by being a very FAST Write Through cache, using only 5K of assembly-language (NO wretched C here!), with up to a 4-GIGABYTE cache capacity! None of the older caches can get that high! I poked around in the documentation but did not find this information. Sorry, the source file for UIDE does say that it uses Write Through caching, but I did not put this in the README, which others will note is already technical ENOUGH! Jack R. Ellis -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Basic question on UIDE
All this talk about UIDE prompted me to investigate this tool. It looks interesting. How does the caching work for disk writes? I assume that when the cache is full the next sector read in will cause the oldest sector to be written out? Is there any sort of a timer which will flush the cache to the hard drive periodically? How do you make sure that the RAM cache is written to the disk? I poked around in the documentation but did not find this information. -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Key words are: closed source. Bad idea. There is not much choice around ... The problem is that apps working with SB cards usually do this by accessing hardware ports directly (in/out instructions). You can't hook This is a non-issue affecting legacy crap only ;-) and having a .sys driver to handle these kinds of boards would add a great deal of usability to dos apps NO, a loadable driver usable form PM please ;-) Regarding sound libraries for new apps, I heard there are some around Allegro ? Dead, ISA only :-( DUGL ? Nice attempt, but so far ISA only :-| DOSSOUND ? Closed source, file only so far, but Georg is cooperative about my suggestions :-| DIGPAK ? 15 years old standard, but if someone upgrades it ... maybe :-| SNAP ? Closed source, dead, no docs :-| Import drivers from Windaube (300 KiB native PE .SYS, 10 MiB GUI installer) or Linux (anyone has seen a driver ???) ... MPXPLAY ? Great app, but not a driver, and done in C (I'm not a C programmer) ... -- ~~~ wow ~~~ -- Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 1:21 AM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Georg Potthast recently released a (closed source) AC97 thing, also upgrading DIGPAK (15 years old) for PCI cards has been suggested. Key words are: closed source. Bad idea. Anybody volunteering to update digipak or write an audio subsystem for FreeDOS? Pat -- Amateur Radio Station: WB2GBF U.S. Army MARS station: AAR2BY/T -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Linux has supported ac97 soundcards for years, why can't dos have a .sys driver that can be loaded at boot time to do the same thing? there's a *lot* of motherboards that have ac97 support these days, well over 50%, and having a .sys driver to handle these kinds of boards would add a great deal of usability to dos apps, especially ones that already work directly with sb compatible cards. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Linux has supported ac97 soundcards for years, why can't dos have a .sys driver that can be loaded at boot time to do the same thing? there's a *lot* of motherboards that have ac97 support these days, well over 50%, and having a .sys driver to handle these kinds of boards would add a great deal of usability to dos apps, especially ones that already work directly with sb compatible cards. The problem is that apps working with SB cards usually do this by accessing hardware ports directly (in/out instructions). You can't hook ports as easily as interrupts, so a driver which would provide other sound cards to work as SB would require protected mode. It has been suggested to write the driver as Jemm Loadable Module (JLM) to do this. This could only be loaded by the Jemm386 memory manager. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
You talk about old apps that make hardware calls. Also would be interesting a standar sound library for new DOS apps. 2009/5/18, Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de: Linux has supported ac97 soundcards for years, why can't dos have a .sys driver that can be loaded at boot time to do the same thing? there's a *lot* of motherboards that have ac97 support these days, well over 50%, and having a .sys driver to handle these kinds of boards would add a great deal of usability to dos apps, especially ones that already work directly with sb compatible cards. The problem is that apps working with SB cards usually do this by accessing hardware ports directly (in/out instructions). You can't hook ports as easily as interrupts, so a driver which would provide other sound cards to work as SB would require protected mode. It has been suggested to write the driver as Jemm Loadable Module (JLM) to do this. This could only be loaded by the Jemm386 memory manager. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Fax: +58-(212)-2410828 Skype: marcoachury www.geocities.com/marcoachury -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
[...] would add a great deal of usability to dos apps, especially ones that already work directly with sb compatible cards. You talk about old apps that make hardware calls. Also would be interesting a standar sound library for new DOS apps. Yes, I talked about old apps, replying to the previous mail. Regarding sound libraries for new apps, I heard there are some around. Maybe someone else can recommend you some of these. Regards, Christian -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
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In general, sound cards are handled directly under most DOS YES, but it's the bad way of doing :-( You may want to look at the source code for several games to see how it is done. Bad idea, only ISA cards (=15 years old). Look into MPXPLAY source instead. Another solution is to look at the Allegro library at http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ Also only ISA cards (=15 years old) Georg Potthast recently released a (closed source) AC97 thing, also upgrading DIGPAK (15 years old) for PCI cards has been suggested. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Hi , i've tried this using miy notebook on pure dos (psk21 ,rtty,etc..) I use cf31 panasonic toughbook with drivers for his sound card (yamaha). Roberto iw2evk Intercom is a free DOS program by Pier PA3BYZ that since version 4.1 adds PSK31 capability to many other modes. It can use several interfaces, hamcom type, soundcard, etc. Contact Pier via QRZ.com adress for binaries. kurt godel-2 wrote: My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurt wb2...@gmail.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Basic-sound-access-in-DOS.-tp23496152p23500712.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Hi , i've tried this using miy notebook on pure dos (psk21 ,rtty,etc..) I use cf31 panasonic toughbook with drivers for his sound card (yamaha). Roberto iw2evk Intercom is a free DOS program by Pier PA3BYZ that since version 4.1 adds PSK31 capability to many other modes. It can use several interfaces, hamcom type, soundcard, etc. Contact Pier via QRZ.com adress for binaries. kurt godel-2 wrote: My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurt wb2...@gmail.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Basic-sound-access-in-DOS.-tp23496152p23500812.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
You can try also : FTV for DOS http://ftv.3amsystems.com/samples.htm#REQUIREMENTS System requirements 80386/80486/Pentium CPU MS-DOS 6, Win 3.1, Win95, Win98 Sound Blaster compatible sound card Extended memory (256k minimum, 4096k recommended) SuperVGA graphics card with VESA support (640x480, 256 colours minimum) Supported operating modes Operating Mode Reception Transmission Monochrome WEFAX 60, 90, 100, 120, 180, 240 lpm No Monochrome FAX 60, 90, 100, 120, 180, 240 lpm Yes Colour FAX 120, 240 lpm Yes Monochrome SSTV SC-1 8, 16, 32s Robot 8, 12, 24, 36s Colour SSTV Martin 1, 2, 3, 4 Scottie 1, 2, 3, 4, DX Wrasse SC-2 180s Baudot (RTTY) 45.5, 50, 74.2, 100 baud SITOR-A 100 baud SITOR-B (NAVTEX) 100 baud Morse code (CW) 5-50 wpm Both line rates as well as data rates may be set to non-standard values. iw2evk wrote: Hi , i've tried this using miy notebook on pure dos (psk21 ,rtty,etc..) I use cf31 panasonic toughbook with drivers for his sound card (yamaha). Roberto iw2evk Intercom is a free DOS program by Pier PA3BYZ that since version 4.1 adds PSK31 capability to many other modes. It can use several interfaces, hamcom type, soundcard, etc. Contact Pier via QRZ.com adress for binaries. kurt godel-2 wrote: My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurt wb2...@gmail.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Basic-sound-access-in-DOS.-tp23496152p23500830.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Hi Kurt, In general, sound cards are handled directly under most DOS environments. You may want to look at the source code for several games to see how it is done. Another solution is to look at the Allegro library at http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ . I haven't used it in several years but it seemed to work nicely for the miniITX hardware I was using at the time. Personally, I have not tried any digital modes on FreeDOS. My personal favorite is fldigi which I run mainly under Linux and occasionally under XP. What sort of support were you looking for? Are you thinking of doing some development? Pat On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:50 AM, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com wrote: My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Amateur Radio Station: WB2GBF U.S. Army MARS station: AAR2BY/T -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
Hi Kurt, In general, sound cards are handled directly under most DOS environments. You may want to look at the source code for several games to see how it is done. Another solution is to look at the Allegro library at http://alleg.sourceforge.net/ . I haven't used it in several years but it seemed to work nicely for the miniITX hardware I was using at the time. Personally, I have not tried any digital modes on FreeDOS. My personal favorite is fldigi which I run mainly under Linux and occasionally under XP. What sort of support were you looking for? Are you thinking of doing some development? Pat On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:50 AM, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com wrote: My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Amateur Radio Station: WB2GBF U.S. Army MARS station: AAR2BY/T -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Basic sound access in DOS.
My two computers(one old, one newish) both have decent sound capabilities with in and out jacks; I wish to use this to implement audio frequency shift keying(AFSK), in which I need to send and recieve tones. Is there a way, using only dos, to access the i/o jacks? --kurt wb2...@gmail.com. -- The NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanners deliver under ANY circumstances! Your production scanning environment may not be a perfect world - but thanks to Kodak, there's a perfect scanner to get the job done! With the NEW KODAK i700 Series Scanner you'll get full speed at 300 dpi even with all image processing features enabled. http://p.sf.net/sfu/kodak-com___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
