RE: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Kari Smolander
Hello all!
What I would like to see is the stream metadata display for web radios (such
as in Winamp & others). It would show the stream name, current artist and
title. I do not know if it is possible to implement with Mplayer, but at
least it works with mp3 streams in Winamp and XMMS.

Kari



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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Chad Robinson
Dirk Meyer wrote:
This is also a good place to place a help request here: we need help
to develop Freevo. Not only python programmers, we have many tasks on
the todo list. So please, if you have some time, help us. If not, I
guess the next major release will be 2005.
I would love to help, and I know enough languages that I'm not afraid of 
Python. However, it would be much easier for developers new to Freevo if you 
took an hour to put together a "hacker's guide to Freevo" with some of the 
basic logic behind how things work. It took me a long time to decipher how 
some of the play threads were managed and I'm still not sure I get it all.

Here are some sample questions that might be nice to answer:
1. What are the __init__.py files in each directory?
2. How does one interface with and control the current play list for the 
audio/video player(s). For instance, if you want to insert a new entry before 
the next item, how would you do this? How does one iterate across the play 
list to begin with?

3. What are some of these files for to begin with? There are 20-30 key main 
and sub-level directories. It might be nice to have a 1-2 sentence description 
of the files contained within and their function. It doesn't have to be long, 
but at least briefly descriptive would be nice.

Here are the things I would write if I could even figure out where to start:
1. A function that would take the current audio item's author, iterate the 
playlist for the next occurrence, then insert that item after the current. 
(This is a "play another song by this person" function. You can also go by 
genre/source.)

2. While viewing a channel, or especially when switching, it might be nice to 
have a button (or during switching have an option to do this automatically) 
that briefly shows a bar with the TV guide row for that channel so you can see 
what's now playing and what's coming up.

3. It would be nice to have the password-protection controls a little easier 
to access. Specifically, the ability to enter numeric passwords via the 
remote. Maybe this is possible already, but it doesn't work for me and it's 
hard to set up anyway - I was thinking of something arrow-button-based.

I would be more than happy to contribute documentation, as well, but I haven't 
wanted to start until I personally know more about Freevo.

o Web: we also need a better WiKi and maybe someone to do all the web
  updates. Post some news and stuff like that. I don't know what is
  possible on sourceforge and what is not. Or if you have a root
  server somewere were you can host and maintain out website, that
  would be really cool.
I'm a little confused by this one. You already have a fairly nice and 
relatively informative (if out of date) page on Sourceforge, at 
http://freevo.sourceforge.net/
Is there something this isn't letting you do?

I maintain my own project home pages on Sourceforge and haven't had any 
complaints.

Regards,
Chad
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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Michael Osten
On Sep 4, 2004, at 5:46 PM, Robert Howlingdog wrote:
Hi.
First of all hi to everyone, this is my first post I guess - I am 
newbie to this list and to Freevo as well. I have Freevo installed for 
about 2 weeks only... Once the LIRC starts working for me I will be 
more or less happy.

2Dirk: it is funny - you said GUI ideas.. and well... everyone is 
throwing in any ideas :) .. and so will I...

To start with - and Dirk wrote about that - I would volunteer to help 
and implement some parts of what I am proposing. However I do not dare 
to say I would do it all myself for two reasons:
a) I am quite busy doing other stuff so if anyone would be waiting for 
me to deliver some functionality..  s/he might get upset by delays ;)
b) more importantly - I do not know Python but might give it a try to 
learn. I can do Java, PHP, HTML, JavaScript etc.  if that helps for 
"transformation" :) Would it be worth trying?

Also, I already tried to read the the devs website (2 weeks ago or so) 
and this is something stopping me to try more - I cant find any 
reasonable documentation :( Maybe I looke into wrong places but I did 
not find any single starting point that would clear some questions I 
have and would kick me to start.

Talking about documentation - where the hell is DTD for fxd files? Or 
any COMPLETE example? I am open to admit I am totally blind but I 
honestly tried to find it and failed :)

So - here are the things I am currently missing in Freevo. Unlike many 
other Freevo users I am much more AUDIO oriented as I have only 
terrestrial TV here (4 channels and more or less they all suck :) ).

Secondly, I am assuming that Freevo is part of home network 
(=>internet) and so soem of the functions would need to be prepared by 
other means than purely by remote controller.

The list , finally:
A) WEB INTERFACE
a.1) playlist creation and management - for video and audio. Before 
you ask - yes playlist for videos. I download a lot of muic clips and 
so that makes sense to me :)
a.2) remote control over the web - PLAY feature :) + ENQUEUE
a.3) move/copy files - inside the Freevo "sandbox" - directory 
structure

B) GENERAL FEATURES
b.1) Random play of video files (maybe possible already by fxd file? 
--- but have not found). Once again - reason is music clips
b.2) Random play over directory and all subdirectories
b.3) Maybe rating? Personal rating ("when I am alone"), 
"family/flatmates" rating ("when everyone @home want to listen"), 
party rating ("when I have guests") - and play according to these 
modes -- so I would select "I am alone" .. and voila :)
Maybe it might be more generic -like custom creation and naming of the 
"categories" for rating - and then play according to these.

Next is inspired by cute Rio Karma player, sorry :)
b.4) Play by genre (+random)
b.5) Play by artist (+random); this could be done by implementing b.3 
if the user organizes the files accordingly. But why dont we use 
freevo cache, database for this?
b.6) Play by "years" :) - Sounds of 70s, 80s, 90s ... you know? ;)
b.7) Whats new? Play whatever is new in Freevo in last  
days/weeks/months
b.8) What I really like about Karma is "Entertain me" - which is the 
playlist of most popular songs. Plugin that seems to do this for XMMS 
is here: http://www.luminal.org/wiki/index.php/IMMS/IMMS
b.9) and "Forgotten gems" - something I liked but have not heard for 
 days/weeks/months
b.10) and well, generic "Reminder" - something I have not heard for 
 days/weeks/months. There _is_ a difference compared to 
b.9.

OK, I do not know whether you like at least some ideas or not, or 
whether it makes all sense to anyone else than myself :) As I said, I 
am willing to help with some parts of this.. I would be interested 
mostly in improving the web interface.

Don't kill me, please, and have a nice weekend.
R


From: Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:08:10 +0200
Hi,
I'm searching for new cool gui ideas for the next major release of
Freevo. Only gui ideas for now, I don't have time to implement much
these days. For most of the ideas it would be great if you can send a
fake screenshot. Just take gimp or any other program you like and draw
a screenshot how you want Freevo to look like. Also add information if
some parts of the screenshot should fade or move it.
o Image viewer: When pressing the DISPLAY button you see a box with
  some additional informations. How should that look like in the
  future? And were to get the information? Right now Freevo supports
  'bins' xml files for additional stuff, but what do you use to add
  descriptions to an image?
o Video: The next version of Freevo will support to draw on mplayer
  and maybe also xine. If you press DISPLAY, you will see that. How
  should it look like? I guess current time, maybe a slider and the
  text. But I need fake screenshots. And when DISPLAY is not pressed
  an

Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Michael Osten
I agree with this. We, my family, love our Freevo Box, but I am the 
only one who can do stuff. I do the IMDB lookups, configure all the 
directory locations / options. While this is not onerous to me, it 
means that I can't easily set up a freevo unit for freinds/ relatives.

My Freevo box is mainly used to play movies by the way. It has a tv 
card in it, we just watch tv on the tv and have very limited 
requirements for recording shows.

In short, a builtin gui for the freevo.conf
Cheers (You did ask :)
I agree.  Our family watches zero broadcast television.  All television 
programming we watch comes via bittorrent so we can get (near) HDTV  in 
an area with no HDTV signal, or DVD's..  What I would like in the next 
release is a solid interface with bittorrent, a bug free method of 
ripping DVD's, and a way to organize and refresh web radio listings.

I would guess that the core users of Freevo are like me, because, no 
offense, but MythTV does a much better job of recording live TV, but 
lacks in the other dept.'s

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RE: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Robert Howlingdog
Hi.
First of all hi to everyone, this is my first post I guess - I am newbie to 
this list and to Freevo as well. I have Freevo installed for about 2 weeks 
only... Once the LIRC starts working for me I will be more or less happy.

2Dirk: it is funny - you said GUI ideas.. and well... everyone is throwing 
in any ideas :) .. and so will I...

To start with - and Dirk wrote about that - I would volunteer to help and 
implement some parts of what I am proposing. However I do not dare to say I 
would do it all myself for two reasons:
a) I am quite busy doing other stuff so if anyone would be waiting for me to 
deliver some functionality..  s/he might get upset by delays ;)
b) more importantly - I do not know Python but might give it a try to learn. 
I can do Java, PHP, HTML, JavaScript etc.  if that helps for 
"transformation" :) Would it be worth trying?

Also, I already tried to read the the devs website (2 weeks ago or so) and 
this is something stopping me to try more - I cant find any reasonable 
documentation :( Maybe I looke into wrong places but I did not find any 
single starting point that would clear some questions I have and would kick 
me to start.

Talking about documentation - where the hell is DTD for fxd files? Or any 
COMPLETE example? I am open to admit I am totally blind but I honestly tried 
to find it and failed :)

So - here are the things I am currently missing in Freevo. Unlike many other 
Freevo users I am much more AUDIO oriented as I have only terrestrial TV 
here (4 channels and more or less they all suck :) ).

Secondly, I am assuming that Freevo is part of home network (=>internet) and 
so soem of the functions would need to be prepared by other means than 
purely by remote controller.

The list , finally:
A) WEB INTERFACE
a.1) playlist creation and management - for video and audio. Before you ask 
- yes playlist for videos. I download a lot of muic clips and so that makes 
sense to me :)
a.2) remote control over the web - PLAY feature :) + ENQUEUE
a.3) move/copy files - inside the Freevo "sandbox" - directory structure

B) GENERAL FEATURES
b.1) Random play of video files (maybe possible already by fxd file? --- but 
have not found). Once again - reason is music clips
b.2) Random play over directory and all subdirectories
b.3) Maybe rating? Personal rating ("when I am alone"), "family/flatmates" 
rating ("when everyone @home want to listen"), party rating ("when I have 
guests") - and play according to these modes -- so I would select "I am 
alone" .. and voila :)
Maybe it might be more generic -like custom creation and naming of the 
"categories" for rating - and then play according to these.

Next is inspired by cute Rio Karma player, sorry :)
b.4) Play by genre (+random)
b.5) Play by artist (+random); this could be done by implementing b.3 if the 
user organizes the files accordingly. But why dont we use freevo cache, 
database for this?
b.6) Play by "years" :) - Sounds of 70s, 80s, 90s ... you know? ;)
b.7) Whats new? Play whatever is new in Freevo in last  
days/weeks/months
b.8) What I really like about Karma is "Entertain me" - which is the 
playlist of most popular songs. Plugin that seems to do this for XMMS is 
here: http://www.luminal.org/wiki/index.php/IMMS/IMMS
b.9) and "Forgotten gems" - something I liked but have not heard for  days/weeks/months
b.10) and well, generic "Reminder" - something I have not heard for  days/weeks/months. There _is_ a difference compared to b.9.

OK, I do not know whether you like at least some ideas or not, or whether it 
makes all sense to anyone else than myself :) As I said, I am willing to 
help with some parts of this.. I would be interested mostly in improving the 
web interface.

Don't kill me, please, and have a nice weekend.
R


From: Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:08:10 +0200
Hi,
I'm searching for new cool gui ideas for the next major release of
Freevo. Only gui ideas for now, I don't have time to implement much
these days. For most of the ideas it would be great if you can send a
fake screenshot. Just take gimp or any other program you like and draw
a screenshot how you want Freevo to look like. Also add information if
some parts of the screenshot should fade or move it.
o Image viewer: When pressing the DISPLAY button you see a box with
  some additional informations. How should that look like in the
  future? And were to get the information? Right now Freevo supports
  'bins' xml files for additional stuff, but what do you use to add
  descriptions to an image?
o Video: The next version of Freevo will support to draw on mplayer
  and maybe also xine. If you press DISPLAY, you will see that. How
  should it look like? I guess current time, maybe a slider and the
  text. But I need fake screenshots. And when DISPLAY is not pressed
  and you seek, how should that look like?
o TV: similar to th

AW: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Jan Grewe
Just put a plain-text file named .password into the folder and write the
password into it, digits preffered, as they can be easily entered via
remote!

/jan 

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 How about being able to password protect directories?

 I know that someone can circumvent this via going in via the  command line,
or via ssh, but would be nice so that the  average use is restricted while
in the freeevo interface.



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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Michael Ruelle
already present:
http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DocumentationPage_2fUsageInfo#head-0f8cc4f34d7f062324d03aa0aea031c22c11c1c9

Mike Ruelle

On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 17:05, Jess Mahan wrote:
>  How about being able to password protect directories?
> 
>  I know that someone can circumvent this via going in via the
>  command line, or via ssh, but would be nice so that the
>  average use is restricted while in the freeevo interface.
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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 14:05 -0700, Jess Mahan wrote:
>  How about being able to password protect directories?

Freevo can already do this.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Jess Mahan


 How about being able to password protect directories?

 I know that someone can circumvent this via going in via the
 command line, or via ssh, but would be nice so that the
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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Stephen Moore

Fabio Papa wrote:
Hi,
one thing I sometime miss in freevo is the ability to
do part of the configuration process from inside
freevo.
 

I agree with this. We, my family, love our Freevo Box, but I am the only 
one who can do stuff. I do the IMDB lookups, configure all the directory 
locations / options. While this is not onerous to me, it means that I 
can't easily set up a freevo unit for freinds/ relatives.

My Freevo box is mainly used to play movies by the way. It has a tv card 
in it, we just watch tv on the tv and have very limited requirements for 
recording shows.

In short, a builtin gui for the freevo.conf
Cheers (You did ask :)
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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Fabio Papa
Hi,
one thing I sometime miss in freevo is the ability to
do part of the configuration process from inside
freevo.
I mean, if I look at my set-top dvd player, it gives
me tools to instruct its integrated dolby wheter I
have 2 or 4 or 6 audio channel system. This would be
helpful in freevo, I think.
Maybe also other options, like default vo and filters
could be included.

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[Freevo-users] cvs rel-1.5 crash

2004-09-04 Thread Justin Wetherell
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/src/freevo/src/helpers/webserver.py", line 49, in ?
   from twisted.internet import app
 File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/twisted/internet/app.py", 
line 42, in ?
   from twisted.internet import interfaces
 File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/twisted/internet/interfaces.py", 
line 25, in ?
   from twisted.python.components import Interface
 File 
"/usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/twisted/python/components.py", 
line 22, in ?
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ValueError: bad marshal data

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Re: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Jaap Struyk
Op za 04-09-2004, om 11:08 schreef Dirk Meyer:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm searching for new cool gui ideas for the next major release of
> Freevo.

> o Skin: everyone is welcome to also send skin ideas, how the basic
>   Freevo screen should look like.

I'am very sorry to tell you that Freevo has it all all-ready...
In other words: I'am also very sorry to tell you that freevo as it is is
perfect all-ready...
As thirth: I think freevo beats the others by far as it is...

So as far as I'am conserned the only thing that could be bether is the
default skin, personaly I like the crystal skin most, only thing missing
on that is in the main menu a behaviour like mac-OS-X. (highlighting the
selcted icon)
Oh, and maybe the weather plugin standard builtin.

In concreto, freevo is perfect, and I have no idea what can be added...
Great Job!!!
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[Freevo-users] Re: Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Dirk Meyer
"Faser" wrote:
>  Image Viewer were to get the information? How about EXIF? There are many
> programs to read EXIF infos under Linux. (Please don't kill me if this is
> already part of Freevo, don't have me box running).

Exif is supported, but it only has minor informations. For my vacation
pictures I want at least add a nice title, maybe a location, a small
text and maybe a list of people on the photo.

> One other suggestion (I don't know if easy or not) have direct access menus
> on the top level (e.g. that I can define a new Menu to directly start a
> certain radio station).

I will think how to do that.


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RE: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Faser
Hi Dischi,

after saying thanks to all the developers I just want to quickly give one
idea to your question.

 Image Viewer were to get the information? How about EXIF? There are many
programs to read EXIF infos under Linux. (Please don't kill me if this is
already part of Freevo, don't have me box running).

One other suggestion (I don't know if easy or not) have direct access menus
on the top level (e.g. that I can define a new Menu to directly start a
certain radio station).

Ciao

Fred



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Subject: [Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

Hi,

I'm searching for new cool gui ideas for the next major release of Freevo.
Only gui ideas for now, I don't have time to implement much these days. For
most of the ideas it would be great if you can send a fake screenshot. Just
take gimp or any other program you like and draw a screenshot how you want
Freevo to look like. Also add information if some parts of the screenshot
should fade or move it.

o Image viewer: When pressing the DISPLAY button you see a box with
  some additional informations. How should that look like in the
  future? And were to get the information? Right now Freevo supports
  'bins' xml files for additional stuff, but what do you use to add
  descriptions to an image?

o Video: The next version of Freevo will support to draw on mplayer
  and maybe also xine. If you press DISPLAY, you will see that. How
  should it look like? I guess current time, maybe a slider and the
  text. But I need fake screenshots. And when DISPLAY is not pressed
  and you seek, how should that look like?

o TV: similar to the video problem: what do you want to see when
  pressing DSIPLAY? And when you want to change the channel, would you
  like an OSD for that, too? How should that look?

o Skin: everyone is welcome to also send skin ideas, how the basic
  Freevo screen should look like. For suggestions in this area, I will
  need more help: background and icon arts are needed here.

And some basic navigation questions: IMHO there is a difference between
selecting a channel for watching tv and selecting a program to record.
Freevo cvs supports switching to channel view to select a show for record.
It's much faster that way to select a program in two days from now. So how
should these two menus look like? What keys to you want to press to toggle
between these two?

This is also a good place to place a help request here: we need help to
develop Freevo. Not only python programmers, we have many tasks on the todo
list. So please, if you have some time, help us. If not, I guess the next
major release will be 2005.

We need help in the following areas:

o Python: if you know Python or are willing to learn it (very easy),
  please send patches to current cvs to make it work again. Most
  plugins are deactivated because of the rewrite of the main core. Or
  send new plugins doing all the stuff you want Freevo to do. If
  someone wants a bigger part like reworking the tv area (Rob can't do
  that alone if you don't want the next release in 2005), just tell
  us. 

o C: cvs uses mevas as render engine. Right now, it supports output
  via pygame, imlib2, bmovl, bmovl2 and ivtv_fb. Some of these display
  engines need more work and we also need more. Those who don't like
  the dxr3-sdl patch: this is a good time to write a dxr3 output
  canvas. If you want to help and don't know how, just ask. We also
  need someone writing a xine plugin to display our osd in it.

o Docs: old problem, still no solution. We need more and better
  docs. Fill the WiKi with stuff you know, create a nice Freevo doc
  with docbook or something similar. Please help us here.

o Web: we also need a better WiKi and maybe someone to do all the web
  updates. Post some news and stuff like that. I don't know what is
  possible on sourceforge and what is not. Or if you have a root
  server somewere were you can host and maintain out website, that
  would be really cool.

o Skins: we need artists! We need backgrounds, icons and ideas how the
  skin should look like.


That's it for now, waiting for feedback


Dischi

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[Freevo-users] Ideas for next major release wanted

2004-09-04 Thread Dirk Meyer
Hi,

I'm searching for new cool gui ideas for the next major release of
Freevo. Only gui ideas for now, I don't have time to implement much
these days. For most of the ideas it would be great if you can send a
fake screenshot. Just take gimp or any other program you like and draw
a screenshot how you want Freevo to look like. Also add information if
some parts of the screenshot should fade or move it.

o Image viewer: When pressing the DISPLAY button you see a box with
  some additional informations. How should that look like in the
  future? And were to get the information? Right now Freevo supports
  'bins' xml files for additional stuff, but what do you use to add
  descriptions to an image?

o Video: The next version of Freevo will support to draw on mplayer
  and maybe also xine. If you press DISPLAY, you will see that. How
  should it look like? I guess current time, maybe a slider and the
  text. But I need fake screenshots. And when DISPLAY is not pressed
  and you seek, how should that look like?

o TV: similar to the video problem: what do you want to see when
  pressing DSIPLAY? And when you want to change the channel, would you
  like an OSD for that, too? How should that look?

o Skin: everyone is welcome to also send skin ideas, how the basic
  Freevo screen should look like. For suggestions in this area, I will
  need more help: background and icon arts are needed here.

And some basic navigation questions: IMHO there is a difference
between selecting a channel for watching tv and selecting a program to
record. Freevo cvs supports switching to channel view to select a show
for record. It's much faster that way to select a program in two days
from now. So how should these two menus look like? What keys to you
want to press to toggle between these two?

This is also a good place to place a help request here: we need help
to develop Freevo. Not only python programmers, we have many tasks on
the todo list. So please, if you have some time, help us. If not, I
guess the next major release will be 2005.

We need help in the following areas:

o Python: if you know Python or are willing to learn it (very easy),
  please send patches to current cvs to make it work again. Most
  plugins are deactivated because of the rewrite of the main core. Or
  send new plugins doing all the stuff you want Freevo to do. If
  someone wants a bigger part like reworking the tv area (Rob can't do
  that alone if you don't want the next release in 2005), just tell
  us. 

o C: cvs uses mevas as render engine. Right now, it supports output
  via pygame, imlib2, bmovl, bmovl2 and ivtv_fb. Some of these display
  engines need more work and we also need more. Those who don't like
  the dxr3-sdl patch: this is a good time to write a dxr3 output
  canvas. If you want to help and don't know how, just ask. We also
  need someone writing a xine plugin to display our osd in it.

o Docs: old problem, still no solution. We need more and better
  docs. Fill the WiKi with stuff you know, create a nice Freevo doc
  with docbook or something similar. Please help us here.

o Web: we also need a better WiKi and maybe someone to do all the web
  updates. Post some news and stuff like that. I don't know what is
  possible on sourceforge and what is not. Or if you have a root
  server somewere were you can host and maintain out website, that
  would be really cool.

o Skins: we need artists! We need backgrounds, icons and ideas how the
  skin should look like.


That's it for now, waiting for feedback


Dischi

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