Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!
On 07/07/2015 07:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: OsiriX is good for MRIs (DICOM files). MIALite is a segmentation plugin for it that works. Some of the OsiriX plugins have bitrot and crash the browser. Give your GPU something [cough] useful to do other than [cough] gaming.Don't know about segment tracking over time. Might have to write that.. Very cool. $700 is pretty stiff. It's not clear whether the plugin will work with the osirix free version. I have been using ginkgo cad, the free version of which works pretty well. On 07/07/2015 07:43 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I think you should *build* a video game based on your thorax... or a projection of it's 4D-ness... and uses Dr. Seuss's Lorax as a theme for the narrative! I'm just starting to dip my toes into 3D modeling (for another project). I wonder how difficult it would be to create a 3D world modeled off the DICOM images? It'd be kinda cool running a little avatar around over the kidneys and through the ribs, to grandmother's goiter we go! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!
I use the OsiriX Lite version, which is free. The MIALite plugin was also free. This was on a Haswell MacBook Pro running Yosemite. I didn't have the presence of mind to get the full body scan of my dog when the opportunity arose. Maybe for that I would have needed the 64 bit version (and pay for it). But for 3 Tesla brain scans the 32 bit version is sufficient.Does volumetric rendering without any plugins.And sufficiently well I can recognize the face! The segmentation / region growing can identify different compartments (at least of the brain), so perhaps with some parameter sweeps on starting positions and thresholds, one could create rooms and passageways. I would think major organs would be easier to isolate, but I don't have that data. What could be more satisfying that shooting-up unwelcome cellular activity? -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ep ropella Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 8:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity! On 07/07/2015 07:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: OsiriX is good for MRIs (DICOM files). MIALite is a segmentation plugin for it that works. Some of the OsiriX plugins have bitrot and crash the browser. Give your GPU something [cough] useful to do other than [cough] gaming.Don't know about segment tracking over time. Might have to write that.. Very cool. $700 is pretty stiff. It's not clear whether the plugin will work with the osirix free version. I have been using ginkgo cad, the free version of which works pretty well. On 07/07/2015 07:43 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I think you should *build* a video game based on your thorax... or a projection of it's 4D-ness... and uses Dr. Seuss's Lorax as a theme for the narrative! I'm just starting to dip my toes into 3D modeling (for another project). I wonder how difficult it would be to create a 3D world modeled off the DICOM images? It'd be kinda cool running a little avatar around over the kidneys and through the ribs, to grandmother's goiter we go! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!
To all Game-makers and visualizers on this list, I want to warn you all (speaking of 3d modeling) that I have been for years (as Steve G. will testify) trying to get somebody to do 3D visualizations of the interaction of air masses, particularly in the region around and just east of the Sangres, where cold dry Canadian air masses slosh down the front range to be overlapped by warm moist air masses from the Gulf and hot dry air masses from the desert SW. It is here that the atmospheric layers are often generated that are the conditions for severe weather further east. The need is great for this visualization because many people who ought to know better are confused about this layering. I think I might even know of some people at NOAA who would help. Unfortunately, I have nothing to offer in return but my love and the promise of the enduring gratitude of TV weather people all over the Midwest who don't seem to understand the concept of a conditionally unstable atmosphere. You have been warned. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ep ropella Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity! On 07/07/2015 07:06 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: OsiriX is good for MRIs (DICOM files). MIALite is a segmentation plugin for it that works. Some of the OsiriX plugins have bitrot and crash the browser. Give your GPU something [cough] useful to do other than [cough] gaming.Don't know about segment tracking over time. Might have to write that.. Very cool. $700 is pretty stiff. It's not clear whether the plugin will work with the osirix free version. I have been using ginkgo cad, the free version of which works pretty well. On 07/07/2015 07:43 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I think you should *build* a video game based on your thorax... or a projection of it's 4D-ness... and uses Dr. Seuss's Lorax as a theme for the narrative! I'm just starting to dip my toes into 3D modeling (for another project). I wonder how difficult it would be to create a 3D world modeled off the DICOM images? It'd be kinda cool running a little avatar around over the kidneys and through the ribs, to grandmother's goiter we go! -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!
I want to warn you all (speaking of 3d modeling) that I have been for years (as Steve G. will testify) trying to get somebody to do 3D visualizations of the interaction of air masses, particularly in the region around and just east of the Sangres, where cold dry Canadian air masses slosh down the front range to be overlapped by warm moist air masses from the Gulf and hot dry air masses from the desert SW. It is here that the atmospheric layers are often generated that are the conditions for severe weather further east. The need is great for this visualization because many people who ought to know better are confused about this layering. I think I might even know of some people at NOAA who would help. Unfortunately, I have nothing to offer in return but my love and the promise of the enduring gratitude of TV weather people all over the Midwest who don't seem to understand the concept of a conditionally unstable atmosphere. NOAA folks might have access to supercomputers, and appropriate codes, but if not there's.. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewSubmitAProposal.do Special consideration will be given to proposals addressing climate change, such as: Climate and meteorology: climate modeling, severe weather warning Climate change adaptation: sea level modeling, improving crop or livestock yields and resilience, watershed modeling Climate change mitigation: renewable energy modeling, renewable energy materials research Also there are experts in the area.. http://climatemodeling.science.energy.gov/presentations FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] github pages...
Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] github pages...
In the most basic form they seem to work fine. I haven't messed with anything more complicated than showing an index page. I think I'm going to submit my homework for the webgl class with gh-pages. Cody Smith On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. ___ Wedtech mailing list wedt...@redfish.com http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/wedtech_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity!
Wow! Thank you, Marcus. And here I thought this was a folie a un. I should have learned by now that there is no craziness so profound that somebody doesn't have a website on it. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 11:57 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] My charity is more effective than your charity! I want to warn you all (speaking of 3d modeling) that I have been for years (as Steve G. will testify) trying to get somebody to do 3D visualizations of the interaction of air masses, particularly in the region around and just east of the Sangres, where cold dry Canadian air masses slosh down the front range to be overlapped by warm moist air masses from the Gulf and hot dry air masses from the desert SW. It is here that the atmospheric layers are often generated that are the conditions for severe weather further east. The need is great for this visualization because many people who ought to know better are confused about this layering. I think I might even know of some people at NOAA who would help. Unfortunately, I have nothing to offer in return but my love and the promise of the enduring gratitude of TV weather people all over the Midwest who don't seem to understand the concept of a conditionally unstable atmosphere. NOAA folks might have access to supercomputers, and appropriate codes, but if not there's.. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewSubmitAProposal.do http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewSubmitAProposal.do Special consideration will be given to proposals addressing climate change, such as: Climate and meteorology: climate modeling, severe weather warning Climate change adaptation: sea level modeling, improving crop or livestock yields and resilience, watershed modeling Climate change mitigation: renewable energy modeling, renewable energy materials research Also there are experts in the area.. http://climatemodeling.science.energy.gov/presentations http://climatemodeling.science.energy.gov/presentations FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a NetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.org. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: github pages...
Owen, A long time ago but in this galaxy, some of our folks did a 3D visualization of computers at a conference associating with WiFi access points. The computers associating with a particular access point were shown clustering around that point in 3D in a sort of cone with position denoting the amount of traffic. As computers moved, you could see them move out of the cone (as they sent negotiation packets) and then jump to the other access point. That struck me as a clever way to show the network activity. It was an ABM - if you count humans holding the computers as agents. Ray Parks Consilient Heuristician/IDART Old-Timer V: 505-844-4024 M: 505-238-9359 P: 505-951-6084 NIPR: rcpa...@sandia.govmailto:rcpa...@sandia.gov SIPR: rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.govmailto:rcpar...@sandia.doe.sgov.gov (send NIPR reminder) JWICS: dopa...@doe.ic.govmailto:dopa...@doe.ic.gov (send NIPR reminder) On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a NetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.orghttp://agentscript.org/. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.itmailto:pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
Hi Owen, we've done some work using Processing to do 3D visualization in NetLogo -- both by opening an Processing window from a running NetLogo model and by running NetLogo headless from a Processing program (and doing real-time visualization of the running model). Of course, NetLogo uses Processing for some of its built-in 3D visualization, but the version is somewhat old and I don't think Uri et al have put much effort into the 3D side of things recently, so our approach gives a bit more flexibility. I'm happy to share the paper we put together on it if you or anyone else is interested. The question of what a 3D ABM is actually useful for is surprisingly more challenging. We put together a simple dynamic network model and used the 3D to visualize the connections between and movement of the nodes from one state to another (of 3 possible states), so we had something like a sandwich of dots with lines that we could rotate around and zoom in on. It was something that made it a bit easier to understand what was going on in the model and between the nodes -- more a reporting mechanism than an inherent part of the model. Well, that, plus it looked cooler. Using 3D as an inherent part of the model's behavior is another thing entirely. In that case, the model would require the physical 3 dimensional location of each agent (and the environment) to be critical to the behavior of the agents -- and something that couldn't be easily represented in 2D with the 3rd dimension handled separately. We started to look at using animation software, such as Maya, to do the modeling, but didn't make much progress before our animator moved on. Maya or 3DS Max allow for Python programming, but it isn't exactly ideal for ABM work. Brent From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Cc: wedt...@redfish.com wedt...@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] github pages... Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a NetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.org. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
I dig wordpress for somethings, yet I also like to make webpages as a hobby. I was messing around with gitpages the other day and found out it can (sort of) do stuff other than jekyl On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] Ask Me Anything
Maybe this might be nutty enough to appeal to both lists: Ask Me Anythings. The idea is this: start a github repo where the issues are questions asked to the owner of the repo. It's sorta going viral. Here's a list of several of the good ones: https://github.com/sindresorhus/amas Generally these are prolific folks who others using their stuff want to know about. So far, so good. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: github pages...
Dear Owen, I know agentscript.org, very very nice. Next time you'll in Italy we have to find the way to meet. I'll follow the mooc. 3D! We have all to think about. Best, Pietro On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a vNetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.org http://agentscript.org/. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.it mailto:pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home pagehttp://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
Brent: way WAY astute observations and info, thanks 10^6! How's this for an idea: follow Ed's Mooc. No need to do the homework etc, just to get informed as to webgl's core capabilities. It's just started and the videos are there for the watching and a standard vocabulary. The GPU is a standard worth knowing. Then we can (a group of us here interested in the topic .. hopefully Pietro who has a LOT of ABM experience .. as does a lot of Italy) put together some ideas for 3D ABM. Certainly Uri and Seth were interested in it, but didn't have time to do the research. Thus they use 2.5 D pop-out for standard NetLogo .. way nice .. and agree that beyond their cube patches, they hadn't time for enough research into the matter. ABM is basically data all the way down with dynamic interaction within the data. 3D fits into this, I think. Maybe we should just think of models that could use 3D? RedFish has a few fascinating ideas in the works like point-clouds as computation. Thanks again. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brent Auble br...@auble.net wrote: Hi Owen, we've done some work using Processing to do 3D visualization in NetLogo -- both by opening an Processing window from a running NetLogo model and by running NetLogo headless from a Processing program (and doing real-time visualization of the running model). Of course, NetLogo uses Processing for some of its built-in 3D visualization, but the version is somewhat old and I don't think Uri et al have put much effort into the 3D side of things recently, so our approach gives a bit more flexibility. I'm happy to share the paper we put together on it if you or anyone else is interested. The question of what a 3D ABM is actually useful for is surprisingly more challenging. We put together a simple dynamic network model and used the 3D to visualize the connections between and movement of the nodes from one state to another (of 3 possible states), so we had something like a sandwich of dots with lines that we could rotate around and zoom in on. It was something that made it a bit easier to understand what was going on in the model and between the nodes -- more a reporting mechanism than an inherent part of the model. Well, that, plus it looked cooler. Using 3D as an inherent part of the model's behavior is another thing entirely. In that case, the model would require the physical 3 dimensional location of each agent (and the environment) to be critical to the behavior of the agents -- and something that couldn't be easily represented in 2D with the 3rd dimension handled separately. We started to look at using animation software, such as Maya, to do the modeling, but didn't make much progress before our animator moved on. Maya or 3DS Max allow for Python programming, but it isn't exactly ideal for ABM work. Brent -- *From:* Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com *Cc:* wedt...@redfish.com wedt...@redfish.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] github pages... Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a NetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.org. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55, Gillian Densmore ha scritto: Just wondering what other peoples experience with githubs pages system has been. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- The world is full of interesting problems to be solved! Home page http://web.econ.unito.it/terna FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe
Re: [FRIAM] github pages...
Bullet Physics is a nice way to represent an environment and to represent the agents. Physical interaction between agents and/or static objects is directly reported. Just compile with emscripten if you want it in a web browser.. https://github.com/kripken/ammo.js From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:11 PM To: Brent Auble; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: wedt...@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] github pages... Brent: way WAY astute observations and info, thanks 10^6! How's this for an idea: follow Ed's Mooc. No need to do the homework etc, just to get informed as to webgl's core capabilities. It's just started and the videos are there for the watching and a standard vocabulary. The GPU is a standard worth knowing. Then we can (a group of us here interested in the topic .. hopefully Pietro who has a LOT of ABM experience .. as does a lot of Italy) put together some ideas for 3D ABM. Certainly Uri and Seth were interested in it, but didn't have time to do the research. Thus they use 2.5 D pop-out for standard NetLogo .. way nice .. and agree that beyond their cube patches, they hadn't time for enough research into the matter. ABM is basically data all the way down with dynamic interaction within the data. 3D fits into this, I think. Maybe we should just think of models that could use 3D? RedFish has a few fascinating ideas in the works like point-clouds as computation. Thanks again. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brent Auble br...@auble.netmailto:br...@auble.net wrote: Hi Owen, we've done some work using Processing to do 3D visualization in NetLogo -- both by opening an Processing window from a running NetLogo model and by running NetLogo headless from a Processing program (and doing real-time visualization of the running model). Of course, NetLogo uses Processing for some of its built-in 3D visualization, but the version is somewhat old and I don't think Uri et al have put much effort into the 3D side of things recently, so our approach gives a bit more flexibility. I'm happy to share the paper we put together on it if you or anyone else is interested. The question of what a 3D ABM is actually useful for is surprisingly more challenging. We put together a simple dynamic network model and used the 3D to visualize the connections between and movement of the nodes from one state to another (of 3 possible states), so we had something like a sandwich of dots with lines that we could rotate around and zoom in on. It was something that made it a bit easier to understand what was going on in the model and between the nodes -- more a reporting mechanism than an inherent part of the model. Well, that, plus it looked cooler. Using 3D as an inherent part of the model's behavior is another thing entirely. In that case, the model would require the physical 3 dimensional location of each agent (and the environment) to be critical to the behavior of the agents -- and something that couldn't be easily represented in 2D with the 3rd dimension handled separately. We started to look at using animation software, such as Maya, to do the modeling, but didn't make much progress before our animator moved on. Maya or 3DS Max allow for Python programming, but it isn't exactly ideal for ABM work. Brent From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netmailto:o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.commailto:friam@redfish.com Cc: wedt...@redfish.commailto:wedt...@redfish.com wedt...@redfish.commailto:wedt...@redfish.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] github pages... Hi Pietro, great to hear from you. Lets try to get together next time I travel to Italy. I generally stay in Camerano, near Ancona, but often spend time in Venice with Fabio or lately in Padova .. so we'd not be that far apart via train. SLAPP is quite nice. I wonder if you would be interested in a NetLogo inspired JavaScript ABM framework: http://agentscript.orghttp://agentscript.org/. I need help thinking about its future. I'm taking a break from it for a while, diving into a webgl mooc given by Ed Angel based on material from the latest edition, 7, of his Interactive Computer Graphics text .. all using webgl. Here's the url of the mooc if you'd like to follow along: https://www.coursera.org/course/webgl A major goal for a few of us is how to move ABM to 3D. We spoke with Uri and Seth at NetLogo and they hadn't enough time to really research how to best use 3D. Great to hear from you. -- Owen On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Pietro Terna pietro.te...@unito.itmailto:pietro.te...@unito.it wrote: Dear all, sometimes I reappear ... My experience is very positive, with https://github.com/terna/SLAPP and GitHum program in my Mac. Best, Pietro Il 08/07/15 18:55,
[FRIAM] 3D abms
Here's a video of a 3d model I did for a company that doesn't want me to talk about it. It's in MASON: https://youtu.be/1TjIe3EiM1o -- glen ep ropella -- 971-255-2847 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
