Re: [FRIAM] what other subject is there this morning

[glen ep ropella]

Heh. I'd move back if they did. In the meantime, I'd push for Cascadia. 

On November 9, 2016 9:01:02 PM PST, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>What isn't possible at this point?
>
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/09/trump-win-california-secede-calexit-silicon-valley?CMP=edit_2221
>
>Silicon Valley investors call for California to secede from the US
>after Trump
>win
>www.theguardian.com
>Hyperloop co-founder said he would fund ‘Calexit’ campaign for
>Democratic state to become its own nation as tech industry has been at
>odds with Trump
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Friam  on behalf of Edward Angel
>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 11:31:28 AM
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>
>Even if Congress were willing to get rid of the EC, the constitutional
>amendment could never get enough states to pass it.
>
>Ed
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>
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>
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>(ARTS Lab)
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>On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Tom Johnson
>mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com>> wrote:
>
>"Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. "
>
>Simply that the Electoral College is, today, a screwy concept.  And
>remember, this happened in 2000 when the Republicans also prevailed.  I
>doubt a majority of Congress has the cajones to get rid of the EC.
>TJ
>
>
>
>Tom Johnson
>Institute for Analytic Journalism   -- Santa Fe, NM USA
>505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h)
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>Check out It's The People's
>Data
>http://www.jtjohnson.com  
>t...@jtjohnson.com
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Owen Densmore
>mailto:o...@backspaces.net>> wrote:
>Interesting that HRC seems likely to win the popular vote. Now what
>does THAT say about democracy?
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Owen Densmore]

I *love* the bubble!

Joy is Hope's best friend.

BTW: I realize I've posted this in the past, and my version of it uses
s/fuck/damn/. But I've only got a limited number of Damn's to give, and the
fewer, the stronger.
https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck

So I just don't give a Damn about the president, no matter who. I have too
few to give. My first Damn is for Love & Compassion, kinda weak I realize
but then I think I can stop war by being peaceful myself. It all starts at
home.

So how are your Damn's coming along?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> The funny part of this -- there are actually many funny parts, but I'll
> save some for later -- the immediately funny part is that I've been
> literally living in a bubble for a week now.  I attach a degraded cell
> phone image as demonstration.
>
> And, no, we are not sailing off in the near future.  It would waste the
> money we spent on the nifty bubble, and it's sort of hard to get out of the
> marina at this point.
>
> Anyway, I have high expectations for The Political Apprentice.
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> OTOH: California, Massachusetts and Nevada legalized marijuana.
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Marcus Daniels]

“So I just don't give a Damn about the president, no matter who.“

You might as well round-up to all U.S. law for most of your kids’ lives as 
there will be enough turnover in the president’s Supreme court nominations to 
dramatically skew things to the right.

“My first Damn is for Love & Compassion, kinda weak I realize but then I think 
I can stop war by being peaceful myself. It all starts at home.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/apr/20/war-what-is-it-good-for-ian-morris

Marcus


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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Sarbajit Roy]

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of
fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz 
wrote:

> Well put. This is not a game.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>
>> "The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles is
>> what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the
>> next 24-36 hours. "
>>
>> To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of one
>> candidate vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant others).  It's about
>> choosing between a person who can and has managed in relevant
>> circumstances, and a man-child that obviously needs to be managed and who
>> obviously draws-from and amplifies the worst in people, has many indicators
>> of an authoritarian personality, and is a likely target for blackmail and
>> manipulation by foreign powers.   The potential upside of this non-contest
>> is that a thinker and policy wonk may sneak through as the winner by
>> default.  Even stranger is that it would be historic -- and somehow that is
>> almost a footnote.The whole thing is surreal and even scarier than
>> Brexit.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>

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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Marcus Daniels]

A legal insurance program sounds like candidate for crowdfunding, e.g. 
chuffed.org.


https://www.inverse.com/article/23594-petitions-faithless-electors-legal-fees

[https://fsmedia.imgix.net/1c/d8/67/a4/b2c3/4af8/9425/b321010bac7a/new-york-ny---november-09--anti-trump-protesters-shut-down-5th-avenue-in-front-of-trump-tower-as-n.jpeg?rect=0,405,3000,1502&w=250&fm=png&q=75]

Petitions Won't Help Faithless Electors. Paying Their Legal Fees 
Might.
www.inverse.com
If they switch their votes to stop Donald Trump, they could face fines and 
legal fees.





From: Friam  on behalf of Sarbajit Roy 

Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:40:17 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | 
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http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of fascism 
everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz 
mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote:
Well put. This is not a game.


On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
"The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles is what 
I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the next 24-36 
hours. "

To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of one candidate 
vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant others).  It's about choosing 
between a person who can and has managed in relevant circumstances, and a 
man-child that obviously needs to be managed and who obviously draws-from and 
amplifies the worst in people, has many indicators of an authoritarian 
personality, and is a likely target for blackmail and manipulation by foreign 
powers.   The potential upside of this non-contest  is that a thinker and 
policy wonk may sneak through as the winner by default.  Even stranger is that 
it would be historic -- and somehow that is almost a footnote.The whole 
thing is surreal and even scarier than Brexit.

Marcus



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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Steven A Smith]

Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a 
negative connotation.  I had always heard it as a positive thing...


The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for me.   
I suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness that the 
general population, the overwhelming majority of the citizenry, when 
pushed, can stand up to the elite (economic or political or both) who 
tend to find ways to run things for their own purposes without regard to 
the interests of the masses.


It seems that the current use of the term "populism" implies that the 
extant elite de-facto rulers can have THEIR lunch handed to them by 
another elite set of wanna-bes through the duping of the populace.   
Hitler's rise to power was apparently on the rising tide of a 
disaffected populace through the use of "demagoguery, scapegoating, and 
conspiracism" according to Fritzsche.  This sounds just a bit (lot) too 
much like the working style of Herr Donald Drumpf this round.


I don't like being manipulated by "the powers that be", but it isn't a 
bit more fun to have "the powers that wanna be" manipulate me into 
helping them have their wishes.  I *hope* some of Trumps Trumpeteers 
come to recognize how they were duped in what to me seems like a fairly 
obvious manner.


And meanwhile I hope that the rest of the world can learn something of 
this movement from us (and the Brexiteers before us).





On 11/10/16 7:40 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of 
fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz 
mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote:


Well put. This is not a game.


On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:

"The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent
possibles is what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid
fascination) for roughly the next 24-36 hours. "

To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations
of one candidate vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant
others).  It's about choosing between a person who can and has
managed in relevant circumstances, and a man-child that
obviously needs to be managed and who obviously draws-from and
amplifies the worst in people, has many indicators of an
authoritarian personality, and is a likely target for
blackmail and manipulation by foreign powers.   The potential
upside of this non-contest is that a thinker and policy wonk
may sneak through as the winner by default.  Even stranger is
that it would be historic -- and somehow that is almost a
footnote.The whole thing is surreal and even scarier than
Brexit.

Marcus





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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Frank Wimberly]

Interesting, Steve.  "Populism" has long had a negative meaning for me.
Maybe that's because I took a couple of undergraduate courses that focussed
on Huey Long.  In one of them (at Berkeley) the claim was made that
Roosevelt saved the US from more radical solutions, represented by Long,
with the New Deal.  Ironically, my father's uncle, who was also a Louisiana
politician, was a sometimes enemy of his.  Uncle Shirley Wimberly wrote a
monograph in which he referred to Long as "the Crawfish".  He was usually
called the Kingfish.

Here's the reference:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/unmasking-crawfish-huey-p-long/oclc/9752600

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 PM, "Steven A Smith"  wrote:

> Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a negative
> connotation.  I had always heard it as a positive thing...
>
> The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for me.   I
> suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness that the general
> population, the overwhelming majority of the citizenry, when pushed, can
> stand up to the elite (economic or political or both) who tend to find ways
> to run things for their own purposes without regard to the interests of the
> masses.
>
> It seems that the current use of the term "populism" implies that the
> extant elite de-facto rulers can have THEIR lunch handed to them by another
> elite set of wanna-bes through the duping of the populace.   Hitler's rise
> to power was apparently on the rising tide of a disaffected populace
> through the use of "demagoguery, scapegoating, and conspiracism" according
> to Fritzsche.  This sounds just a bit (lot) too much like the working style
> of Herr Donald Drumpf this round.
>
> I don't like being manipulated by "the powers that be", but it isn't a bit
> more fun to have "the powers that wanna be" manipulate me into helping them
> have their wishes.  I *hope* some of Trumps Trumpeteers come to recognize
> how they were duped in what to me seems like a fairly obvious manner.
>
> And meanwhile I hope that the rest of the world can learn something of
> this movement from us (and the Brexiteers before us).
>
> 
>
> On 11/10/16 7:40 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:
>
> http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
>
> It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of
> fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz 
> wrote:
>
>> Well put. This is not a game.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles
>>> is what I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the
>>> next 24-36 hours. "
>>>
>>> To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of one
>>> candidate vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant others).  It's about
>>> choosing between a person who can and has managed in relevant
>>> circumstances, and a man-child that obviously needs to be managed and who
>>> obviously draws-from and amplifies the worst in people, has many indicators
>>> of an authoritarian personality, and is a likely target for blackmail and
>>> manipulation by foreign powers.   The potential upside of this non-contest
>>> is that a thinker and policy wonk may sneak through as the winner by
>>> default.  Even stranger is that it would be historic -- and somehow that is
>>> almost a footnote.The whole thing is surreal and even scarier than
>>> Brexit.
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Steven A Smith]

Fascinating Frank, thanks for the link!

Having been something like an anarchist (not Anarchist) most of my life, 
I never felt threatened by or implicated in "Populism"...   I'm a bit of 
a knee-jerk anti-popular/ist on most topics, which I have to curb when 
the stakes go up.  Just because Xx10^Y people think something is a good 
idea, doesn't mean it is a deeply stupid one (though it is a hint that 
it might be).   Or maybe instead I should say, I have *always* felt 
threatened (albeit only mildly) by "popular" movements which includes 
but is not limited to "populist" movements as I now understand the term 
to be applicable.



It is also worth noting that I find many people use "fascism" somewhat 
differently than I do.


1. often associated with governing bodies: "fascist government!"
2. often reserved for those specifically who enforce laws: "fascist pigs!"
3. regularly associated with Nazi Germany: "fascist Nazi!"
4. sometimes associated with corporate fascism as made popular by Mussolini

My own working definition is any system which holds it's own survival 
and smooth operations above the well being of those which the system 
ostensibly serves.   This tends to gather up all of the above but also 
applies to bureaucracy in any context (government, corporate, etc.)   I 
would even claim that fascism can be embodied and implemented by a 
system *without* humans involved in the perpetuation of it's actions...  
this means that the people operating in a fascistly bureacratic context 
may not be particularly culpable themselves (watch Terry Gilliam's 
"Brazil").


My understand of the term might really just involve the specific 
"authoritarian" aspect of it, but I *do* make the distinction that there 
is an important "mindlessness" to it that makes it insidious... thus a 
single authoritarian figure is never nearly as fascist as an institution 
(in my mind).   Thus, a single rogue cop who takes his job too seriously 
is not nearly as "fascist" as an entire department which collectively 
behaves in this manner and inducts/indoctrinates new members into the 
same mindset as a matter of course.


In my mind, the Donald is not particularly "fascistic" himself, but his 
followers and the machine I suspect he has created to run his businesses 
(and soon our government) probably IS quite fascistic.




On 11/10/16 8:56 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:


Interesting, Steve.  "Populism" has long had a negative meaning for 
me.  Maybe that's because I took a couple of undergraduate courses 
that focussed on Huey Long.  In one of them (at Berkeley) the claim 
was made that Roosevelt saved the US from more radical solutions, 
represented by Long, with the New Deal.  Ironically, my father's 
uncle, who was also a Louisiana politician, was a sometimes enemy of 
his.  Uncle Shirley Wimberly wrote a monograph in which he referred to 
Long as "the Crawfish".  He was usually called the Kingfish.


Here's the reference:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/unmasking-crawfish-huey-p-long/oclc/9752600

Frank Wimberly
Phone(505) 670-9918 


On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 PM, "Steven A Smith" > wrote:


Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a
negative connotation.  I had always heard it as a positive thing...

The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for
me.   I suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness
that the general population, the overwhelming majority of the
citizenry, when pushed, can stand up to the elite (economic or
political or both) who tend to find ways to run things for their
own purposes without regard to the interests of the masses.

It seems that the current use of the term "populism" implies that
the extant elite de-facto rulers can have THEIR lunch handed to
them by another elite set of wanna-bes through the duping of the
populace.   Hitler's rise to power was apparently on the rising
tide of a disaffected populace through the use of "demagoguery,
scapegoating, and conspiracism" according to Fritzsche. This
sounds just a bit (lot) too much like the working style of Herr
Donald Drumpf this round.

I don't like being manipulated by "the powers that be", but it
isn't a bit more fun to have "the powers that wanna be" manipulate
me into helping them have their wishes.  I *hope* some of Trumps
Trumpeteers come to recognize how they were duped in what to me
seems like a fairly obvious manner.

And meanwhile I hope that the rest of the world can learn
something of this movement from us (and the Brexiteers before us).




On 11/10/16 7:40 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/


It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a
rash of fascism everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz
mailto:g...@naturesvisuala

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[Steven A Smith]

One pundit's measure of Trump's "Fascism":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/21/how-fascist-is-donald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/


On 11/10/16 9:33 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:


Fascinating Frank, thanks for the link!

Having been something like an anarchist (not Anarchist) most of my 
life, I never felt threatened by or implicated in "Populism"...   I'm 
a bit of a knee-jerk anti-popular/ist on most topics, which I have to 
curb when the stakes go up.  Just because Xx10^Y people think 
something is a good idea, doesn't mean it is a deeply stupid one 
(though it is a hint that it might be).   Or maybe instead I should 
say, I have *always* felt threatened (albeit only mildly) by "popular" 
movements which includes but is not limited to "populist" movements as 
I now understand the term to be applicable.



It is also worth noting that I find many people use "fascism" somewhat 
differently than I do.


 1. often associated with governing bodies: "fascist government!"
 2. often reserved for those specifically who enforce laws: "fascist
pigs!"
 3. regularly associated with Nazi Germany: "fascist Nazi!"
 4. sometimes associated with corporate fascism as made popular by
Mussolini

My own working definition is any system which holds it's own survival 
and smooth operations above the well being of those which the system 
ostensibly serves.   This tends to gather up all of the above but also 
applies to bureaucracy in any context (government, corporate, etc.)   
I would even claim that fascism can be embodied and implemented by a 
system *without* humans involved in the perpetuation of it's 
actions...  this means that the people operating in a fascistly 
bureacratic context may not be particularly culpable themselves (watch 
Terry Gilliam's "Brazil").


My understand of the term might really just involve the specific 
"authoritarian" aspect of it, but I *do* make the distinction that 
there is an important "mindlessness" to it that makes it insidious... 
thus a single authoritarian figure is never nearly as fascist as an 
institution (in my mind).   Thus, a single rogue cop who takes his job 
too seriously is not nearly as "fascist" as an entire department which 
collectively behaves in this manner and inducts/indoctrinates new 
members into the same mindset as a matter of course.


In my mind, the Donald is not particularly "fascistic" himself, but 
his followers and the machine I suspect he has created to run his 
businesses (and soon our government) probably IS quite fascistic.




On 11/10/16 8:56 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:


Interesting, Steve.  "Populism" has long had a negative meaning for 
me.  Maybe that's because I took a couple of undergraduate courses 
that focussed on Huey Long.  In one of them (at Berkeley) the claim 
was made that Roosevelt saved the US from more radical solutions, 
represented by Long, with the New Deal.  Ironically, my father's 
uncle, who was also a Louisiana politician, was a sometimes enemy of 
his.  Uncle Shirley Wimberly wrote a monograph in which he referred 
to Long as "the Crawfish".  He was usually called the Kingfish.


Here's the reference:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/unmasking-crawfish-huey-p-long/oclc/9752600

Frank Wimberly
Phone(505) 670-9918 


On Nov 10, 2016 8:43 PM, "Steven A Smith" > wrote:


Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a
negative connotation.  I had always heard it as a positive thing...

The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for
me.   I suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness
that the general population, the overwhelming majority of the
citizenry, when pushed, can stand up to the elite (economic or
political or both) who tend to find ways to run things for their
own purposes without regard to the interests of the masses.

It seems that the current use of the term "populism" implies that
the extant elite de-facto rulers can have THEIR lunch handed to
them by another elite set of wanna-bes through the duping of the
populace. Hitler's rise to power was apparently on the rising
tide of a disaffected populace through the use of "demagoguery,
scapegoating, and conspiracism" according to Fritzsche.  This
sounds just a bit (lot) too much like the working style of Herr
Donald Drumpf this round.

I don't like being manipulated by "the powers that be", but it
isn't a bit more fun to have "the powers that wanna be"
manipulate me into helping them have their wishes.  I *hope* some
of Trumps Trumpeteers come to recognize how they were duped in
what to me seems like a fairly obvious manner.

And meanwhile I hope that the rest of the world can learn
something of this movement from us (and the Brexiteers before us).




On 11/10/16 7:40 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | FiveThirtyEight

[VLADIMYR BURACHYNSKY]

Gentlemen and ladies, 

There seem to be many diverse combatants demanding that we align our minds to 
facilitate their agendas or delusions. 
 Am I ,your enemy if I choose to think for myself. Why must I accept unwanted 
fear from pundits. 

It is very difficult to exist as an independent entity.   

Control freaks on either side expect us to capitulate and surrender our minds 
when all we want is to enjoy a few days more 
of a too short life. 
I expect the American nation will go through another  civil war now. 
I hope the cold air keeps your issues contained to the south. 

These Control Freaks are running amok yet we still deny they exist. 
Do control freaks eventually destroy sentience, is it their goal? 

I am saddened by your failure to adapt. The contagion, fear, i s leaking 
through the rickety 
northern border and we also have to  ask , Just who or what  is the real 
enemy?? 

You were humanities Highest  Standard, you led  the  entire world to follow, 
now you fight amongst  yourselves. 
. 
Take a deep breath and gather your wits. Its not the end yet. 
It may have been a hard blow but you have survived much worse. 
If you need help , we are still standing with you. 
  
The Radical Moderate 
vib 



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From: "Steven A Smith"  
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"  
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:34:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind Clinton | 
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Until fairly recently I didn't realize that "Populism" carried a negative 
connotation.  I had always heard it as a positive thing... 

The tie between populism and the rise of fascism changed that for me.   I 
suppose *pure* populism is in fact fine, the awareness that the general 
population, the overwhelming majority of the citizenry, when pushed, can stand 
up to the elite (economic or political or both) who tend to find ways to run 
things for their own purposes without regard to the interests of the masses. 
It seems that the current use of the term "populism" implies that the extant 
elite de-facto rulers can have THEIR lunch handed to them by another elite set 
of wanna-bes through the duping of the populace.   Hitler's rise to power was 
apparently on the rising tide of a disaffected populace through the use of 
"demagoguery, scapegoating, and conspiracism" according to Fritzsche.  This 
sounds just a bit (lot) too much like the working style of Herr Donald Drumpf 
this round.   

I don't like being manipulated by "the powers that be", but it isn't a bit more 
fun to have "the powers that wanna be" manipulate me into helping them have 
their wishes.  I *hope* some of Trumps Trumpeteers come to recognize how they 
were duped in what to me seems like a fairly obvious manner.  

And meanwhile I hope that the rest of the world can learn something of this 
movement from us (and the Brexiteers before us). 
 


On 11/10/16 7:40 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote: 




http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ 

It seems that depressed economies imply we are going to have a rash of fascism 
everywhere. Here's to World War III. Cheers. 



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gary Schiltz < g...@naturesvisualarts.com > 
wrote: 


Well put. This is not a game.  



On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, Marcus Daniels < mar...@snoutfarm.com > wrote: 


"The fact that world H and world D are such closely adjacent possibles is what 
I am savoring (in the sense of morbid fascination) for roughly the next 24-36 
hours. " 

To first order, this isn't about the ideological aspirations of one candidate 
vs. the other (or the completely irrelevant others).  It's about choosing 
between a person who can and has managed in relevant circumstances, and a 
man-child that obviously needs to be managed and who obviously draws-from and 
amplifies the worst in people, has many indicators of an authoritarian 
personality, and is a likely target for blackmail and manipulation by foreign 
powers.   The potential upside of this non-contest  is that a thinker and 
policy wonk may sneak through as the winner by default.  Even stranger is that 
it would be historic -- and somehow that is almost a footnote.    The whole 
thing is surreal and even scarier than Brexit. 

Marcus 









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