Re: [FRIAM] sniffing around

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Entschuldigung, Ich brauche das auch

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 5:49 PM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

>
> nicht verboten, eigentlich ermutigt! post away :-)
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 4:07 PM Ron Newman  wrote:
>
>> I'm letting it be known that I'm sniffing around for a job, or just work,
>> part or full.
>>
>> M.S. Comp. Sci.
>> ex-IBM
>> ~30 years at it, a couple of patents
>> Primarily Python/Django/DBs.  Some JS.  Coming up to speed on machine
>> learning.  PHP would be like a comfortable pair of old running shoes.
>>
>> If this is verboten for this list, please let me know.
>>
>> Off list I'm ron DOT newman AT gmail
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E.
>> Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com  Knowledge
>> Modeling
>> www.RonPiano.com
>> Blog 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

And will remain un-filled for years while "trumpism exists":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsVE2RBto8

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Sorry, everybody.  Ugh!
>
>
>
> What I meant to write was, *“At least, ask for a RAISE(!)”.*  You have no
> idea how envious I am of you all.  Can you IMAGINE the joy I would feel if
> I learned that there were a million jobs unfilled for cranky former
> psychology professors who can’t write a ten-word email message without
> screwing it up!
>
>
>
> That would be glorious.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Schiltz
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 1:11 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] A million tech jobs unfilled
>
>
>
> Maybe there will even be a place for techie old farts to work from Ecuador.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Nick Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Friammers,
>
>
>
> There are apparently a MILLION tech jobs going un-filled in the US – hence
> the panic in the tech industry concerning the immigration purge. Would this
> be a time for members of this list to consider seeking a better job?  Or,
> at least, to ask for a job?
>
> Or demand that your boss let you work remotely and move here to Santa Fe
> where the coffee is good, the air (usually) clean and where you are never
> more than ten minutes from the head of a hiking trail?
>
>
>
> Just sayin’
>
>
>
> N
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Pondering the slang Adulting

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Adulting sounds to me like the age at which you must take statins to
prevent a cardiovascular disease. If it's the case I just arrived to be in.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 6:27 PM Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> I got to talking with dad today and I hadn't though about how the slang
> adulting might have come about. My guess was in the sense of 'going off to
> be a' if you have a playful personality
> Thoughts?
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Re: [FRIAM] Doug Robert's death

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

This are bad news. I am so sorry to hear Douglas Roberts passed away. My
Sincere condolences for his family and his closest friends. He will be
missed.


On Sunday, December 16, 2018, Tom Johnson  wrote:
> I picked this up from Facebook. A talented, lovely guy. I will miss his
presence at FRIAM, on the bandstands and on FB.
> TJ
> ≠===≠==
> A dear friend and a great man, Doug Roberts, passed away this week. I've
known Doug and his lovely wife, Ingrun, for over 30 years and have always
been awed by his sharp intellect, razor wit, and endless energy.
World-class computer programmer, saxophone player, writer, parrot rescuer,
motorcycle enthusiast, blogger, etc. ... his intellectual curiosity knew no
bounds. He was to his friends as the sun is to the planets ... a constant
source of energy and the strongest gravitational force in your universe. He
will be missed by so many people whose lives he touched. Rest well my
friend, you've earned it."

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Re: [FRIAM] a real threat

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

It is disheartening to know that the problems of an starving, unhealthy and
futureless humanity can only be solved sending troops. It is not a problem
of each country in particular it is about the world's Status Quo.  Each day
I see more and more signs of a kind of  dystopian world, probably similar
to that predicted by the old cyberpunk science fiction and that  is already
here with low probability to way back

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Gary Schiltz 
wrote:

> All we need now is for Mexico to decide to send troops to the border as
> well. Then some yahoo "volunteer border enforcer" standing on the US side
> shoots someone on the other side of the border, maybe even a Mexican troop
> (hey, they all look alike) and voila! the second Mexican American War (or
> at least an international incident).
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 6:35 PM uǝlƃ ☣  wrote:
>
>> It's important that we don't over-react to Trump's political stunt.  I
>> admit I don't know the laws or how things might eventually play out.  But
>> here's an article that seems to tone down the rhetoric a bit:
>>
>> The US is sending 5,000 troops to the border. Here’s what they can and
>> can’t do.
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2018/10/29/18026646/military-border-caravan-immigrants-trump-caravan
>> > Border agents will be “in close proximity” to the US troops, but will
>> leave on their own to arrest the spotted migrants. The military won’t be
>> involved in actually detaining any individuals.
>>
>> What's more worrying to me are the presence and behaviors of the
>> self-styled militias who patrol the border with no sanction by any of our
>> governments.  They may be incensed by Trump's political rhetoric and open
>> fire on the migrants.  They'll probably face the legal consequences of such
>> ... but not before hurting innocent people.  It would be nice if the
>> logistics provided by the military could help police our own idiot
>> rednecks.  But my guess is they can't do that either.
>>
>>
>> On 11/1/18 3:34 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
>> > Just a few minutes ago Trump said it answering questions after his
>> speech.  It is a real threat. I wonder if the nation who says to have the
>> highest mortality in the history of the humanity will let to his government
>> to make a massacre. I hope not.
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/POlBkXxwZ_w?t=5192
>>
>> --
>> ☣ uǝlƃ
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] a real threat

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Morality not mortality, of course. You did understand. Do not play the fool.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 5:49 PM Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
wrote:

> Just a few minutes ago Trump said it answering questions after his
> speech.  It is a real threat. I wonder if the nation who says to have the
> highest mortality in the history of the humanity will let to his government
> to make a massacre. I hope not.
>
> https://youtu.be/POlBkXxwZ_w?t=5192
>

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[FRIAM] a real threat

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Just a few minutes ago Trump said it answering questions after his speech.
It is a real threat. I wonder if the nation who says to have the highest
mortality in the history of the humanity will let to his government to make
a massacre. I hope not.

https://youtu.be/POlBkXxwZ_w?t=5192

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Re: [FRIAM] SSD drive(s)

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

There is rare hybrid  technology that combines SSD with a mechanical disc.
Both in one for device. Theoretically the idea behind these technology is
to boost up performance and increase storage capacity in one device for a
lower price compared with a "pure" SSD . In ebay you find it between 50 -
90 American dollars around  for one TB sounds a little more affordable.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> Thanks Roger!
> That's great to know! And thanks. I'll check out amazon, and add one to my
> wish list.
>
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:01 AM Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Gil --
>>
>> I find these amazing prices by searching Google and Amazon for internal
>> SSD drives.
>>
>> I've been running ubuntu on an SSD drive for several years, it's never
>> noticed.
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:51 PM Gillian Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Qqu 90 bucks! man I think even i can afford that!
>>> Holly shit that's awesome roger!? where do you find those.
>>> Are those combatible with Ubuntu...if you even know that is.  Before the
>>> mods (probably steve or whoever) say: uh seriusly dude? and at what time?
>>> I love ubuntuu for a lot of reasons...gaming...not so much--thought
>>> kinda moving away from that.
>>>
>>> Roger, or anybody know if Ubuntuu works with them?...
>>> My current drive is bing a bit weird even with ubuntuu. So I'll probably
>>> need to get a new one eventually. I'm think if I'd be doing that anyway
>>> just to get two one for windows for games or what else sucks ass to get
>>> wine working with it.
>>> And use a regular dumb ass drive for ubuntu., unless it works with SSDs
>>> now. Didn't about a year or so ago.
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Marcus idea is good. During years I have been using a cheap Chinese SD card
as main drive using LINUX OS running on an old tiny laptop which lack of a
mechanical hard drive. I have just updated to a newer Linux distribution
and I also installed Dropbox there, so I always bring my important files.
These days you could buy 1024 GB SD for less than 50 US dollars.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> If the issue is bulk, most laptops will accept these cards:
> https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16820173374
>
> Marcus
>
> On 10/10/18, 11:31 AM, "Nick Thompson" 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, everybody.
>
> In my world, hyperspeed is not a big deal.  The big deal for this 80
> year old is cognitive burden.  So a this point I have stuff on the hard
> drive, stuff on  a 1t drive  and stuff on Carbonite, and this, for me, is a
> ticket for disaster.  So also is a system in which every where I go, I have
> to carry not only the laptop but a hard drive as well.  The one thing
> eighty-year-olds don't need (as you will soon find out) is another thing to
> lose.  SO, the obvious solution is to spring for a a machine with a huge
> SSD drive, on the theory that it is the last machine I will ever buy so
> what the hell.
>
> Is there some reason why that ISN'T the obvious solution?  Is it just
> COST that has driven you all to have little boxes and wires sticking out of
> your laptops, or am I missing something here?
>
> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer.  It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul.  But perhaps it's time
> to suck it up?
>
> The other kind of "suck it up" message you all might give me is to
> rationalize my digital storage so I don't need so much.  But for the above
> mentioned reasons, I will need help to do that, in which case, members of
> the Local Church might suggest a Digital Storage Rationalization Consultant
> to help me straighten out the mess I have made.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> Clark University
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of ? u???
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 9:33 AM
> To: FriAM 
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers
>
> You may already know this ...  Because you're probably using that
> *thing* called Windows, in order to do this effectively, you have to pay
> attention to where programs are installed.  Windows installers will try to
> put everything on your "C" drive.  But they usually give you the option of
> installing it somewhere else.  Given Windows' massive disk space
> requirements for Updates, I tend to keep only Windows (and the virtual
> memory page file) on the 1st drive and put everything else on the secondary
> drive(s).
>
> On 10/10/18 8:25 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
> > My guess is that your 460 GB drive is a spinning hard drive, and
> that the new computer has a solid state drive (SSD). This is a /good/ thing
> since the SSD drives are much faster. The prices on Amazon for 1TB drives
> are around $50 and the 2TB drives are close. My suggestion is to get the
> new computer, add a relatively humongous hard drive with a USB 3
> connection, and make some decisions about what you want almost instantly
> available, and what is merely almost instantly available.
> >
> > Better yet, buy two hard drives and start backing up regularly
> (there are programs to make that automatic).
> >
> > --Barry
> >
> > On 10 Oct 2018, at 2:25, Nick Thompson wrote:
> >
> > I was about to give up on my  460 Gig hd HP because [it was old
> > and] I was running out of disk space, only to discover that the
> standard machine offered by my university to replace it has LESS disk
> space.  Wondering how people are storing stuff.  Are the days of buying
> larger and larger hard disks and never making any decisions over?  [sigh}
> Note that cloud storage is not an option to me for half the year.  Are
> people buying terabyte sized USB drives and running software from them or
> telling some software to store to them?  How’s that work?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to bother you with this.  I know the rest of you have real
> > work.
>
> --
> ∄ uǝʃƃ
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Diane McCorkle Named Outstanding Educator by UChicago

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

 Congratulations. You must be proud of her.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> About my daughter, Diane Wimberly McCorkle:
>
> https://www.emmawillard.org/page/news-detail?pk=1033573
>
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Friam Today

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Reduction in the tuition. It is a joke. Isn't it?

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Frank Wimberly 
wrote:

> There were only four of us at Friam today.  Three of us got there early
> and the fourth walked.  Also the coffee shop was full of students. This was
> apparently all because of a presentation by the College administration
> about St. John's new tuition policy in which the tuition is being reduced
> by tens of thousands of dollars per year.  The parking lot was virtually
> full by the time I got there at about 8:45.  I assume it was lack of
> parking that caused such low attendance.  I hope to see you New Mexico
> Friam members next week.
>
> Frank
>
> --
> Frank Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 505 670-9918
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Learn languages

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

When children live in multilingual environments and/or move from country to
country to face new languages they achieve to speak fluently several
languages at an very early age. I am not sure which one is the native
language of the children of my family. Maybe they have multiple native
languages.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> When my daughter was grad student at Michigan she was told that it was
> almost impossible to speak both Spanish and Portuguese fluently.
> Ironically, her Mexican boyfriend who was a grad student in OR had lived in
> Brazil for many years.  He was the exception.
>
> Frank
>
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018, 12:27 PM Pamela McCorduck  wrote:
>
>> The guy who founded Duolingo is also the guy who invented Captchas.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.duolingo.com/ is an amazing website to learn many languages.
>> My mother language is Spanish and I am trying to learn Romanian through
>> English. It is fun. I also want to learn German and Portuguese to speak to
>> my nieces and nephew although they also speak Spanish and even better than
>> me.
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Re: [FRIAM] Learn languages

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Captcha !!!


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez  wrote:

> Despite his surname, maybe from Netherlands,  the founder of the duolingo
> and developer of Gotcha is from Guatemala and he is graduated from Carnegie
> Mellon and Duke. Many schools in Latinamerica, most of them in poor places,
> are using  this tool to teach languages to their students. Really nice.
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Pamela McCorduck  wrote:
>
>> The guy who founded Duolingo is also the guy who invented Captchas.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.duolingo.com/ is an amazing website to learn many languages.
>> My mother language is Spanish and I am trying to learn Romanian through
>> English. It is fun. I also want to learn German and Portuguese to speak to
>> my nieces and nephew although they also speak Spanish and even better than
>> me.
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Re: [FRIAM] Learn languages

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Despite his surname, maybe from Netherlands,  the founder of the duolingo
and developer of Gotcha is from Guatemala and he is graduated from Carnegie
Mellon and Duke. Many schools in Latinamerica, most of them in poor places,
are using  this tool to teach languages to their students. Really nice.

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Pamela McCorduck  wrote:

> The guy who founded Duolingo is also the guy who invented Captchas.
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.duolingo.com/ is an amazing website to learn many languages.
> My mother language is Spanish and I am trying to learn Romanian through
> English. It is fun. I also want to learn German and Portuguese to speak to
> my nieces and nephew although they also speak Spanish and even better than
> me.
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[FRIAM] Learn languages

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

https://www.duolingo.com/ is an amazing website to learn many languages. My
mother language is Spanish and I am trying to learn Romanian through
English. It is fun. I also want to learn German and Portuguese to speak to
my nieces and nephew although they also speak Spanish and even better than
me.

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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Asi eso. Not random.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004WR003923

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> That has a lot of predictable structure.  Not random.
>
> 
> Frank Wimberly
>
> www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 AM Nick Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I Hywel’s absence, I will take up his cudgel:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Steve.  If this is not random, what does random look like? “
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A
>> Smith
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:16 AM
>> *To:* friam@redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa Fe
>> River into Arroyo Chamiso?
>>
>> I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and
>> flat which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6'
>> tall standing waves for a good 30 minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
>>
>> For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video
>> from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
>> and I include a couple impressive videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=ecVouNETYaI  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there
>> are several posts of these recent floods in youtube
>>
>> Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change
>> deniers what is going on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry try this
>>
>> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=
>> 10156937272769369=645414368
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>>
>>
>>
>> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
>> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
>> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
>> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
>> the arroyo?
>>
>>
>>
>> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>>
>>
>>
>> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video
from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
and I include a couple impressive videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several posts of
these recent floods in youtube

Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change
deniers what is going on.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  wrote:

> Sorry try this
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369=645414368
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>>
>> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
>> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
>> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
>> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
>> the arroyo?
>>
>> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>>
>> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

And this is probably  even better for your discussion

http://wiki.c2.com/?AlanKaysDefinitionOfObjectOriented

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <
alfr...@covaleda.co> wrote:

> I do not know if Alan Kay created the term object in the context of
> programming  but he was a pioneer of OOP when created Smalltalk. These are
> few paragraphs where Kay is cited in relation to the term object and
> concept is explained.
>
> https://www.yegor256.com/2017/12/12/alan-kay-was-wrong.html
>
> Felicidades para todos.
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Marcus Daniels 
> wrote:
>
>> One can also have procedures bound to types where the procedures are
>> pure.
>> OOP does not imply methods that have privileged access to state, although
>> this is common with languages like C++ and Java.
>> In contrast, a method (or type bound procedure) can have privileged
>> access to the meaning of state when state is provided (as an argument).
>> Haskell basically requires this approach and Fortran 2008 facilitates it.
>>
>> On 7/17/18, 9:05 PM, "Friam on behalf of Russell Standish" <
>> friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure about "utility"/"tool", but an object is distinguished from a
>> function by having state. Call an object's method, and the method's
>> scope is populated by the object's data members, which of course,
>> differ from object to object.
>>
>> By contrast a function either has no state (pure function), or its
>> state is global (same for every function invocation).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:06:57PM -0400, Nick Thompson wrote:
>> > Dave, and anybody else who wants to play.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have always been puzzled by the question of how one distinguishes
>> an
>> > object in object programming from a utility in DOS or a tool in
>> Matlab.  Or
>> > any mathematical function, for that matter.  You give it what it
>> needs, and
>> > it gives you what it's supposed to, and you don't give a damn how
>> it works.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please don't yell at me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Nick
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Nicholas S. Thompson
>> >
>> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>> >
>> > Clark University
>> >
>> > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [FRIAM] What is an object?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

I do not know if Alan Kay created the term object in the context of
programming  but he was a pioneer of OOP when created Smalltalk. These are
few paragraphs where Kay is cited in relation to the term object and
concept is explained.

https://www.yegor256.com/2017/12/12/alan-kay-was-wrong.html

Felicidades para todos.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> One can also have procedures bound to types where the procedures are
> pure.
> OOP does not imply methods that have privileged access to state, although
> this is common with languages like C++ and Java.
> In contrast, a method (or type bound procedure) can have privileged access
> to the meaning of state when state is provided (as an argument).
> Haskell basically requires this approach and Fortran 2008 facilitates it.
>
> On 7/17/18, 9:05 PM, "Friam on behalf of Russell Standish" <
> friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of li...@hpcoders.com.au> wrote:
>
> Not sure about "utility"/"tool", but an object is distinguished from a
> function by having state. Call an object's method, and the method's
> scope is populated by the object's data members, which of course,
> differ from object to object.
>
> By contrast a function either has no state (pure function), or its
> state is global (same for every function invocation).
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:06:57PM -0400, Nick Thompson wrote:
> > Dave, and anybody else who wants to play.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have always been puzzled by the question of how one distinguishes
> an
> > object in object programming from a utility in DOS or a tool in
> Matlab.  Or
> > any mathematical function, for that matter.  You give it what it
> needs, and
> > it gives you what it's supposed to, and you don't give a damn how it
> works.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please don't yell at me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> >
> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> >
> > Clark University
> >
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [FRIAM] A video my 18 year-old grandson made

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Muy divertido.

On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> He's starting college this fall.  He plays the role of Travis.
>
> https://youtu.be/sR-ike2yPKw
>
>
> 
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>
> www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Back to the Future with Smalltalk – Hacker Noon

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Gracias

Esto quizá podría resultarles interesante.   Squeak is an open-source
Smalltalk programming system.

http://squeak.org/

Regards

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Gary Schiltz 
wrote:

> I read that I while back. I like Smalltalk too, but I'm not holding my
> breath.
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> ​This will make Dave West happy:
>> ​
>> https://hackernoon.com/back-to-the-future-with-smalltalk-57c68fab583a
>>
>> ​   -- Owen​
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] NASA receives response from Voyager 1 spacecraft 13 billion miles away after 37 years of inactivity

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Original source. Yes, it is amazing.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/voyager-1-fires-up-thrusters-after-37

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> I, for one, think this is pretty cool.  Kudos to the JPL gang.
>
> https://techstartups.com/2018/03/22/nasa-receives-response-
> from-voyager-1-spacecraft-13-billion-miles-away-after-37-
> years-of-inactivity/
>
> TJ
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Los "países de mierda" le dejan millones de dólares a EE.UU.

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

https://www.facebook.com/gondwana.collection.namibia/videos/2272449069447736/

2018-01-14 17:06 GMT-05:00 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>:

>
> https://www.elespectador.com/noticias/el-mundo/los-paises-
> de-mierda-le-dejan-millones-de-dolares-eeuu-articulo-733048
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Re: [FRIAM] Los "países de mierda" le dejan millones de dólares a EE.UU.

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Yes it is the second most broadly distributed newspaper of Colombia. El
Espectador is the newspaper that was blowed up by a drug cartel. I remember
It was a terrible explosion that waked me up. His owner and director was
killed by the same guys. The newspaper was closed but at the begining of
this century and because of his tradition It was bought and reopened by the
richest family of Colombia; althought the sucessors of the patriarc are
American born and they appear in Forbes list between the richest US
citizens.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 6:46 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com>
wrote:

> I couldn't find it directly on their web site, but might I infer from
> some of the stories that this is a national newspaper of Colombia?
>
> 2018-01-14 17:06 GMT-05:00 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>:
> >
> > https://www.elespectador.com/noticias/el-mundo/los-paises-
> de-mierda-le-dejan-millones-de-dolares-eeuu-articulo-733048
> >
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[FRIAM] Los "países de mierda" le dejan millones de dólares a EE.UU.

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

https://www.elespectador.com/noticias/el-mundo/los-paises-de-mierda-le-dejan-millones-de-dolares-eeuu-articulo-733048

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Re: [FRIAM] Meltdown & Spectre

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:23 PM, Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> Hah.  That’s pretty much the end.
> The out-of-order-execution machinery has a (poker) ‘give’ that can be
> exploited.
> Of course it could.  Probably has been in use for years.  Wow.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2018, at 7:03 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> I don't pretend to have some of the tech reading skills to have followed
> that article well. Is what it saying is Intell CPU's are bad about making
> sure it has enough extra hands hands to  make sure they can do something
> before doing so. And that basically it's possible to basically make a smart
> are program that tells your computers brain it can do something and not to
> bother checking, no really don't bother  if it can do something
>
> Question: How realisticly likely (or do able) is that? and isn't that
> quite a bit like many of the jerk  fake websites wich spam Chrome/Chromium
>  browsers  trolling scripts that say: your computer has a bug a bajillion
> times so as the browers goes kaboom? On windows 10 almost all of them try
> to look like a fake patch or flash update or something and make an obnoxous
> beep or alert type of sound "your computer is infected! call MS tech
> Support  " If that's oddly specific I have run into that. particular one.
> Their's probably others like it.
>
> So if I read this right: a Meltdown/Spectre style aholery tells your
> computer a whoper of a story. Realy fast in the hopes, of burning through
> more brain power than it has? Didn't we have this in the 80's and 90's?
> Something like a DDOS and Ping of Doom and other similler issues?  Didn't
> they fix that after Anonymous found out how to crash the whole Sony Network
> just bey changing their clocks?(and doing the same to Battlenet/D) many
> years ago? I know they crashed battle.net using a fake patch that
> basically told a whoper to blizzards (then) only clock, such that when
> people updated to a fake patch it kept doing so (999 times a second
> because the clock was lied to)
>
> I don't know what was more impressive that they could make a fake patch,
> [and users didn't know it was fake including me]Or that no one at blizzard
> or activision checked , or that patch bassically sat in 2billion peoples
> cache for almost 3 months
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Spectre/Meltdown look to be in the same
> vane.but (possible) able to reak much more havoc.
>
> The technique of lying to the computers memory is strangely similler how
> some game bots work. Is that for speed? or just a limitation of processors?
> if you know. I am genuinely curius^_^
>
> et.worldofwarcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Warden_(software)
>
> 
>
>1.
>
> 
>2.
>
> 
>
>
> For example on the legit side:Warden (WarCrafts memory and saftey system)
> helps tell legit bots (called mobs and NPC's)  what to do. It's possible to
> mis-lead Warden in a simillar way as spectre, Some scripting stunts (cache
> from LUA for example)
>
> can at  ask Warden what it's thinging about (IF ha ha haha the Warden+LuA
> key chained API  hahahahah hasn't changed a running joke for LUA
> enthusiasts because it will  )
>
> On the good side that meens realy bad ass things like tweaking textures or
> how some stuff to just your computer looks, or adding nice quality of life
> things.
>
> However some people use that to cheat well beyond what the company allows
> and I can't help but wonder if iSpectre/Meltdown use simillar tricks just
> because the way it looks to work to me is very simillar to  how some game
> bots and Mobs work.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:10 PM, cody dooderson 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the Ethereum cryptocurrency is affected by these
>> bugs? I think it has some sort of distributed scripting based on
>> javascript.
>>
>> Cody Smith
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:26 PM, glen ep ropella 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure you're all already aware... But just in case:
>>>
>>> Reading privileged memory with a side-channel
>>> https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2018/01/reading-privi
>>> leged-memory-with-side.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> glen
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: [FRIAM] Climate Change

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Sorry. A draft has gone.

On Friday, December 29, 2017, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>
wrote:
> A couple of years ago was published that about simulations predicting
permanent freezing un Europeos and North America because of global warming.
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:
>> This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight:
>> "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps
we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country,
but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect
against. Bundle up!"
>> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120
>> Only an idiot would ignore climate change. Is he really this stupid? My
god..
>> -J.

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[FRIAM] Climate Change

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

A couple of years ago was published that about simulations predicting
permanent freezing un Europeos and North America because of global warming.

On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
> This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight:
> "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps
we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country,
but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect
against. Bundle up!"
> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120
> Only an idiot would ignore climate change. Is he really this stupid? My
god..
> -J.

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[FRIAM] Climate Change

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

A couple of years ago It was published about simulations predicting
permanent freezing in Europe and North America because of global warming.
So, maybe Trump is right.You are welcome here but we are already too much
people un the third world.

On Friday, December 29, 2017, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
> This is what Donald wrote on Twitter tonight:
> "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps
we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country,
but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect
against. Bundle up!"
> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946531657229701120
> Only an idiot would ignore climate change. Is he really this stupid? My
god..
> -J.

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[FRIAM] Maybe a new hardware approach to deal with AI developments

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Probably It is the most interesting tech article that I have read in weeks.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/technology/chips-off-the-old-block-computers-are-taking-design-cues-from-human-brains.html?emc=edit_th_20170917=todaysheadlines=58593627=

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[FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Future will be quite interesting. How will be the human being of the
future? For sure not a human being in the way we know.

http://m.eltiempo.com/tecnosfera/novedades-tecnologia/peligros-y-avances-de-la-inteligencia-artificial-para-los-humanos-117158

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Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Emergence in Nautilus

http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>
wrote:

>
> Emergence on Nautilus
>
> http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence
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[FRIAM] Emergence

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Emergence on Nautilus

http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence

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Re: [FRIAM] Book

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Lo espero con entusiasmo. Ya va en camino a mi dirección postal en Miami y
de allí me lo envían a Bogotá.

Gracias

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> Here’s a small book I wrote about my childhood and adolescent experiences
> in New Mexico and how they impacted my adult life.  It’s available on
> Amazon at
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/New-Mexico-Legacy-Frank-Wimberly/dp/1548003360
>
>
>
> I will refund the full purchase price to the *first* person to find a
> metaphor in the book.  Nick will judge whether or not it’s a metaphor.
>
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank C. Wimberly
>
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
>
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>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

formation of galaxies, stars and planets. Maybe. I guess.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Russ Abbott  wrote:

> Are there any good examples of a complex system that doesn't involve
> biological organisms (including human beings)?
>
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[FRIAM] Evolution Letter Volume 1, Issue 1

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Acaban de lanzar una nueva revista sobre evolución.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/evl3.2017.1.issue-1/issuetoc?hootPostID=a91ec76fb4b68418001c11cdcbcf7c47

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Re: [FRIAM] The Photo

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Sorry, Frank. We all know that everybody is welcome. It is just my null
hypothesis about the basis of the current US government public policies or
Latino sense of humour or both.


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> ...Not to mention complexity science and it's applications...
>
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> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Apr 1, 2017 9:04 AM, "Frank Wimberly" <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If anyone knows young/female/African American/Latino/Native/etc/etc people
> who want to participate in discussions of how consciousness arises from the
> physical; the relation between reality and perception; the philosophy of
> Charles Sanders Peirce; in what sense numbers exist; the relationship
> between the branches of government in the US; linguistics; etc please refer
> them to us.  We welcome all.
>
> Frank
>
>
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>
> On Apr 1, 2017 8:25 AM, "Alfredo Covaleda Vélez" <alfr...@covaleda.co>
> wrote:
>
>> No.  America great again does not need diversity.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aww.  You guys are so cute.  But may I point out the absence of...oh,
>>> let's just call it...DIVERSITY.  Or to use the Complexity term:  REQUISITE
>>> VARIETY.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>
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>>> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
>>> emergentdiplomacy.org
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
>>>
>>> Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding
>>> Saint Paul University
>>> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] The Photo

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

No.  America great again does not need diversity.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:55 PM, Merle Lefkoff 
wrote:

> Aww.  You guys are so cute.  But may I point out the absence of...oh,
> let's just call it...DIVERSITY.  Or to use the Complexity term:  REQUISITE
> VARIETY.
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Frank Wimberly 
> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't look like this was sent:
>>
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> President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
> emergentdiplomacy.org
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
>
> Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding
> Saint Paul University
> Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
>
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Re: [FRIAM] only america first

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Mr Taylor wants an model based in Eurpean culture. Europeans too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8tjhVO1Tc

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> Si!
>
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> On Feb 10, 2017 4:42 PM, "Alfredo Covaleda Vélez" <alfr...@covaleda.co>
> wrote:
>
> It is already working.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm.  Parece que no se puede conectar a ese servidor mexicano desde EEUU.
>>
>> Frank Wimberly
>> Phone (505) 670-9918
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "Alfredo Covaleda Vélez" <alfr...@covaleda.co>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Look at this interview. This guy is funny, pitiful and patetic.
>>>
>>> http://inforema.mx/racismo-la-idea-pais-blancos-se-apodera-eu/
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=30553_source=dlv
>>>> r.it_medium=twitter
>>>>
>>>> The linguists attempt to parse Trump rhetoric, but the real fun comes
>>>> from the 1940's vintage Dr Seuss cartoons at the end of the article.  Then
>>>> further down in the comments there's Woody Guthrie singing: 'They say
>>>> "American First," but they mean, "American next," In Washington,
>>>> Washington.'
>>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] only america first

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

It is already working.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm.  Parece que no se puede conectar a ese servidor mexicano desde EEUU.
>
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> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Feb 10, 2017 3:55 PM, "Alfredo Covaleda Vélez" <alfr...@covaleda.co>
> wrote:
>
>> Look at this interview. This guy is funny, pitiful and patetic.
>>
>> http://inforema.mx/racismo-la-idea-pais-blancos-se-apodera-eu/
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=30553_source=dlv
>>> r.it_medium=twitter
>>>
>>> The linguists attempt to parse Trump rhetoric, but the real fun comes
>>> from the 1940's vintage Dr Seuss cartoons at the end of the article.  Then
>>> further down in the comments there's Woody Guthrie singing: 'They say
>>> "American First," but they mean, "American next," In Washington,
>>> Washington.'
>>>
>>> -- rec --
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] only america first

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Look at this interview. This guy is funny, pitiful and patetic.

http://inforema.mx/racismo-la-idea-pais-blancos-se-apodera-eu/

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=30553_source=
> dlvr.it_medium=twitter
>
> The linguists attempt to parse Trump rhetoric, but the real fun comes from
> the 1940's vintage Dr Seuss cartoons at the end of the article.  Then
> further down in the comments there's Woody Guthrie singing: 'They say
> "American First," but they mean, "American next," In Washington,
> Washington.'
>
> -- rec --
>
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Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Looking at PISA results, you can see that most of today's talented boys
were born and are growing outside USA. Your current government is closing
doors to everybody, included talented ones, while your teenager's results
in Maths and Science and Comprehensive Reading in PISA tests are pitiful
considering who you are. For sure, your local talent will not be enough to
maintain leadership in new knowledge and innovation.  I guess, that 's the
risk for your future.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:50 PM, glen ☣  wrote:

>
> Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
> Terance Tao
>
> > Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an
> assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that
> some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United
> States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone
> through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured
> the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country.  This is
> already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs
> in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries
> not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in
> protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the
> country.
>
>
> --
> ☣ glen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Otra acción hostil

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

*Donald J. Trump* ‏@*realDonaldTrump* <https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump> 1
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of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co
> wrote:

> Trade agreements have gone, protectionism is now here. Each day this Ultra
> Nationalism is becoming more and more pretty bizarre. Trump continues to
> protect USA from us, the Barbarians.
>
> Trump Abandons Trans-Pacific Partnership, Obama’s Signature Trade Deal
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-
> trade-nafta.html?_r=0
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I try to not get upset by this kind of stuff, but "whitehouse.gov" now
>> starts with a "splash page" inviting us to "Sign up for updates from
>> President Donald J. Trump!". Along with a picture of him giving a thumbs up
>> sign. Even after you click the "Continue to Website" link, it continues the
>> campaign theme with a picture of Trump waving at a campaign rally, along
>> with Yuuuge font, "Let's Make America Great Again." Pardon me while I go
>> throw up.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <
>> alfr...@covaleda.co> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you. Yes, information related to climate change, Cuba and nuclear
>>> deal with Iran have been removed from the White House web site. Other
>>> source says that LGBT rights issues were removed too. This are the dark
>>> times you have been talking about.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Alfredo. I tweeted it out and I recommend all of us do so.
>>>>
>>>> If I understand correctly, he also removed climate change and other's
>>>> of his hates.
>>>>
>>>>-- Owen
>>>>
>>>> 2017-01-22 19:28 GMT-07:00 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> La Casa Blanca de Donald Trump elimina el español de su página 'web'
>>>>> http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2017/01/22/est
>>>>> ados_unidos/1485105920_597756.html
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Re: [FRIAM] I thought Trump was nuts ...

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

I have listened that some members of Trump's team in the new government are
bitcoin's fans. Maybe is another fake news. I don't think him capable of
such slap against financial system, but in the end everyhing could happen
with this guy. Finally he is nuts.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> .. but India's removal of the two largest bills (roughly $8 & $15 notes),
> probably for tax evasion, is so nuts as to be unbelievable!
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/world/asia/in-its-third-
> month-indias-cash-shortage-begins-to-bite.html
>
>
> Can you see Trump removing $100 bills from the market, or making ATMs
> illegal?
>
> It could be worse! ..Right?
>
>-- Owen
>
> PS: The article is a good read for it's trickle down effect: guy can't get
> married because he lost is job due to people no longer able to buy his
> product!
>
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[FRIAM] The road roller goes on

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Trump’s Dakota Access Pipeline Memo: What We Know Right Now
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/01/
trumps-dakota-access-pipeline-memo-what-we-know-right-now/514271/

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Re: [FRIAM] Otra acción hostil

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Trade agreements have gone, protectionism is now here. Each day this Ultra
Nationalism is becoming more and more pretty bizarre. Trump continues to
protect USA from us, the Barbarians.

Trump Abandons Trans-Pacific Partnership, Obama’s Signature Trade Deal
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html?_r=0

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com>
wrote:

> I try to not get upset by this kind of stuff, but "whitehouse.gov" now
> starts with a "splash page" inviting us to "Sign up for updates from
> President Donald J. Trump!". Along with a picture of him giving a thumbs up
> sign. Even after you click the "Continue to Website" link, it continues the
> campaign theme with a picture of Trump waving at a campaign rally, along
> with Yuuuge font, "Let's Make America Great Again." Pardon me while I go
> throw up.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <
> alfr...@covaleda.co> wrote:
>
>> Thank you. Yes, information related to climate change, Cuba and nuclear
>> deal with Iran have been removed from the White House web site. Other
>> source says that LGBT rights issues were removed too. This are the dark
>> times you have been talking about.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Alfredo. I tweeted it out and I recommend all of us do so.
>>>
>>> If I understand correctly, he also removed climate change and other's of
>>> his hates.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> 2017-01-22 19:28 GMT-07:00 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>:
>>>
>>>> La Casa Blanca de Donald Trump elimina el español de su página 'web'
>>>> http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2017/01/22/est
>>>> ados_unidos/1485105920_597756.html
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Re: [FRIAM] Otra acción hostil

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Thank you. Yes, information related to climate change, Cuba and nuclear
deal with Iran have been removed from the White House web site. Other
source says that LGBT rights issues were removed too. This are the dark
times you have been talking about.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Alfredo. I tweeted it out and I recommend all of us do so.
>
> If I understand correctly, he also removed climate change and other's of
> his hates.
>
>-- Owen
>
> 2017-01-22 19:28 GMT-07:00 Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <alfr...@covaleda.co>:
>
>> La Casa Blanca de Donald Trump elimina el español de su página 'web'
>> http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2017/01/22/est
>> ados_unidos/1485105920_597756.html
>>
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[FRIAM] Otra acción hostil

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

La Casa Blanca de Donald Trump elimina el español de su página 'web'
http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2017/01/22/estados_unidos/1485105920_597756.html

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Re: [FRIAM] Trump and the nuclear "football"

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

>From Aljazeera
Small hands big missiles: Trump's dangerous adolescence
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/01/small-hands-big-missiles-trump-dangerous-adolescence-170109061803090.html?utm_source=Al+Jazeera+English+Newsletter+%7C+Weekly_campaign=86f19af83c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_01_15_medium=email_term=0_e427298a68-86f19af83c-224147101

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, everybody,
>
>
>
> At Friday’s gathering, one of the things we discussed was that Trump’s
> accession, given his impulsiveness, could easily lead to a nuclear war.
> The readiness level of the US nuclear “deterrent” currently allows 4
> minutes between determining that an enemy attack is in progress and US
> launch.  Because of the submarine fleet, this level of hair-trigger
> readiness is totally unnecessary, even if one buys into all the assumptions
> of US nuclear doctrine.
>
>
>
> I am frightened for myself, my family, and grandchildren.  I think Trump
> is crazy enough to imagine a future in which he and his “unbelievably
> beautiful” women live out a life of luxury in a bunker somewhere, while the
> rest of us … well, you know, “Sacrifices had to be made to preserve our way
> of life”.  Obama has the power increase the threshold to hours or even days
> before leaving office.  I had understood that there was a concerted effort
> to get him to do so, but when I went to the net to find it, I could not.
> To my surprise,  the Union of Concerned Scientists seems to be totally
> mellow about the situation, suggesting only that Obama negotiate away some
> of our backup nukes before his term expires, leaving everything else mostly
> in place.
>
>
>
> Are any of you aware of such an effort?  Can you provide me with details?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] fun!

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

It concluded that could not analyze me because most of my tweets are
private. That's perfect to me.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:42 PM, glen ☣  wrote:

> Gillian was asking that if we must talk about politics, we make it a bit
> more upbeat.  Well, here's a fun site:
>
>   http://internetawacs.jesterscourt.cc/launchfeed-firehose.php
>
> If you go to the "deep dive" section and type in a twitter account
> username, you get a report on their personality traits ... well, derived
> from their feed anyway.  I apparently come off as extroverted, depressed,
> analytic, concientious, and trustworthy.  I was sad to see 0 propensity
> toward violence.  Damnit.  The Activity tab clearly shows that I unplug on
> the weekend.  Yay!
>
>
> --
> ☣ glen
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

The Permian extinction is a good reference point. During these extinction
disappeared almost all the species in the oceans and almost three of four
terrestrial vertebrate species, almost all the insects and many species of
microorganisms. Maybe Trump will be a disaster, but I am sure that he will
not do it better than Permian extinction. At least he needs to ensure to
mantain some of his buildings standed up.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, Jochen,
>
>
>
> I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and
> nobody bit.  Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he
> cannot do anything domestically because … alas …. of the constitution.  He
> then promotes riots in the streets followed by the “reluctant” imposition
> of martial law.  Or, he turns to foreign policy and gets into a lovers spat
> with Putin and reaches for the football.
>
>
>
> The only comfort I have is that I knew people in 2008 and 2012 who were as
> afraid of Obama as I am of Trump, and nothing bad happened.  Well, nothing
> bad happened because of Obama.
>
>
>
> The problem may be that it’s SO scary that we don’t know where to start.
> There are demonstrations planned all over the country, locally this week,
> and in Washington after the Inauguration.  While these may prevent Trump
> from doing anything legislatively,  it surely does address the existential
> crisis that lurks beyond these early frustrations.
>
>
>
> According to the Constitution, the present may be declared incompetent by
> a majority of his senior administration … Cabinet, mostly I think.  But
> notice that he has stacked the cabinet with people who are, if anything,
> loonier than he is, so I very much doubt that any of them would vote to
> remove him.  Maddis, perhaps, but that’s about it.
>
>
>
> Impeachment is a very real possibility, but it takes a lot of time, and a
> crazy President has enormous power to make the country pay for trying.
>
>
>
> I have a few pro-Trumpers who reassure me that no rational man would take
> the kinds of risks that I fear, that like all bullies he will back down
> when he sees that his tantrums aren’t getting anywhere.  But what if he’s
> not a rational man?  What then?
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Jochen
> Fromm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:55 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?
>
>
>
> I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you
> might be interested too?
>
>
>
> Psychologists, therapists and mental health professionals seem to be
> fascinated and terrified alike by the new president who has not only become
> a brand, but is nothing but a brand:
>
> 1. he seems to be a textbook case of a narcissistic personality disorder
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-
> trump-mentally_b_13693174.html
>
> 2. he was elected although he imitates the behavior of an massive Internet
> troll
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-embodied-mind/
> 201701/unified-theory-trump
>
> 3. he displays a total lack of honesty and truth-telling
> http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
>
> All DSM-5 criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder seem to be
> fulfilled. Should we be worried? What do you think? He shows a clear need
> for instant retaliation if someone criticizes him, which is obviously some
> form a narcissistic rage. It is clearly more than a self-serving bias, and
> such a deep personality disorder is not harmless at all.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
>
> The problem is he is in a position where he can pull the strings now, as
> the commander in chief of the most powerful army. The US has about 2000
> nuclear weapons on high alert, and there is a soldier with the nuclear
> football following the president at all times. What could go wrong?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
>
>
>
> -Jochen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] What do we do Now?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

There have been many Romance Languages. I don´t know if all of them are
still "alive".

http://www.proel.org/index.php?pagina=mundo/indoeuro/italico/romance

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oversimplification: Italian is vernacular Latin; Spanish is the same with
> an infusion of Arabic.
>
> Frank Wimberly
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 12:44 PM, "Owen Densmore" <o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey, very similar to Italian: Non preoccuparti.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No te preocupes, Alfredo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>>
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz
>>>
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wimber...@gmail.com wimbe...@cal.berkeley.edu
>>>
>>> Phone:  (505) 995-8715  Cell:  (505) 670-9918
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Alfredo
>>> Covaleda Vélez
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 10:20 AM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] What do we do Now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry Frank. My post loose the point. Speech is correct, is people who
>>> can make a difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez <
>>> alfr...@covaleda.co> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe Trump’s presidency and Brexit, will lead to the end of
>>> Globalization. Movement of capitals, people, goods and services are key
>>> elements in the actual global order. Your next president trusts in a closed
>>> economy to improve US home´s incomes . Maybe he is supposing a local
>>> consume which will be enough to improve internal economy. He pretends to
>>> make capitals to return back or attract new ones to USA. But, I’m not sure
>>> if talking loud and being rough is enough to improve economy. USA minimum
>>> wage is around $7.95/hour while in my lovely third world country, for
>>> example, it is $0.99/hour. I guess manufacturing in USA is expensive, even
>>> more if he will increase the minimum wage (just a little) as he said during
>>> campaign, and even more if he avoid some kind of immigrants, who are cheap
>>> workers inside USA boundaries and help to reduce costs in some part of the
>>> production chain. Maybe Trump does not understand what is competitiveness
>>> because he is not an industrial, he is just a real estates and
>>> entertainment man. I wonder if improving infrastructure can help to create
>>> 13 millions of jobs. ¿Where does money come from to build or repairing
>>> bridges and highways? He has said he will reduce number of taxes and
>>> abolish some others. He criticized Hillary because of his connections to
>>> Wall Street, and now he chooses a former executive of Goldman Sachs for
>>> Treasure Department. ¿Where is the difference?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Managing economy like a real estate business is not the worst part,
>>> maybe there is a little probability he will succeed, but I don´t think he
>>> will. Probably the worst of everything is that he has already generated
>>> negative social impacts and probably he will make to lose US social
>>> achievements. He has already increased local racism tensions giving steps
>>> back in the construction of a civilized nation. Somewhere I read that the
>>> woman elected by Trump to be chief at the Department of Education, was the
>>> first person who transferred public budgets to private education. It is a
>>> bad sign. Starting from his position as Climate change denial, not only
>>> regulation will be weak, but some kinds of scientific research will lack of
>>> support. It is bad, if factories from China will return to USA, USA will be
>>> again the most pollutant country in the world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He has already achieved a lose of confidence and respectful from the
>>> «friendly world» with respect to USA, and I am sure it is a factor when
>>> people make consume decisions (my next pair of shoes will not be wolverine
>>> brand).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 11/09 was not the break point, nor 2007 - 2008 financial crisis. Maybe
>>> Trump’s presidency and Brexit are an inflec

Re: [FRIAM] What do we do Now?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Maybe Trump’s presidency and Brexit, will lead to the end of Globalization.
Movement of capitals, people, goods and services are key elements in the
actual global order. Your next president trusts in a closed economy to
improve US home´s incomes . Maybe he is supposing a local consume which
will be enough to improve internal economy. He pretends to make capitals to
return back or attract new ones to USA. But, I’m not sure if talking loud
and being rough is enough to improve economy. USA minimum wage is around
$7.95/hour while in my lovely third world country, for example, it is
$0.99/hour. I guess manufacturing in USA is expensive, even more if he will
increase the minimum wage (just a little) as he said during campaign, and
even more if he avoid some kind of immigrants, who are cheap workers inside
USA boundaries and help to reduce costs in some part of the production
chain. Maybe Trump does not understand what is competitiveness because he
is not an industrial, he is just a real estates and entertainment man. I
wonder if improving infrastructure can help to create 13 millions of jobs.
¿Where does money come from to build or repairing bridges and highways? He
has said he will reduce number of taxes and abolish some others. He
criticized Hillary because of his connections to Wall Street, and now he
chooses a former executive of Goldman Sachs for Treasure Department. ¿Where
is the difference?





Managing economy like a real estate business is not the worst part, maybe
there is a little probability he will succeed, but I don´t think he will.
Probably the worst of everything is that he has already generated negative
social impacts and probably he will make to lose US social achievements. He
has already increased local racism tensions giving steps back in the
construction of a civilized nation. Somewhere I read that the woman elected
by Trump to be chief at the Department of Education, was the first person
who transferred public budgets to private education. It is a bad sign.
Starting from his position as Climate change denial, not only regulation
will be weak, but some kinds of scientific research will lack of support.
It is bad, if factories from China will return to USA, USA will be again
the most pollutant country in the world.



He has already achieved a lose of confidence and respectful from the
«friendly world» with respect to USA, and I am sure it is a factor when
people make consume decisions (my next pair of shoes will not be wolverine
brand).



11/09 was not the break point, nor 2007 - 2008 financial crisis. Maybe
Trump’s presidency and Brexit are an inflection point.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> Wasn't that a recent thread?
>
> Here's a suggestion:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW0NguMGIbE
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Re: [FRIAM] Anyone from England

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Keiser, Herbert and his guest analysed Brexit in a very interesting way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTEACxuEmM


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
>
> I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes
> across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and
> the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
>
> places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/eu-referendum-live-david-cameron-resigns-as-uk-shocks-the-world/
>
> So anyone from England  have some opinions about what's going on?
> Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of  48 to 50% unless I
> totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when
> they called for another vote or a simple majority?
> Or am I wrong?
> More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith
> think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the
> makings of a sith, just not a good one.
> :P
>
> How's the beer and weather?
> Where's a good place to live?
>
> Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!
> MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!
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Re: [FRIAM] Union of Concerned Scientists tackle climate change impacts to New Mexico | New Mexico In Depth

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Have a look at the book: Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet. It was
written nine years ago, but the concern remains the same. I think that
Paris agreements at Cop 21 were important but It showed that the political
reaction to a real problem is extremely low and in fact implied  a
resignation and a cynic position to avoid real and urgent changes.  But
don't worry, if the guy of the toupee becomes President, Global Warming
will become just a lie by decree. (BTW: si no se entiende el mensaje lo
puedo enviar en español).

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> Interesting that climate generalizations are being made reflecting
> man-created state boundaries, nevertheless an interesting article.
>
>
> http://nmindepth.com/2016/04/28/union-of-concerned-scientists-tackle-climate-change-impacts-for-new-mexico/
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Re: [FRIAM] Calculus for 9 year olds

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Creo que esto les va a resultar interesante

5-Year-Olds Can Learn Calculus
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/5-year-olds-can-learn-calculus/284124/




On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, everybody,
>
>
>
> I have a granddaughter on vacation who is showing some interest in maths.
> We have been fooling around with graph paper, you know, “the squaw upon the
> hippopotamus is equal to the suns of the squaw’s on the other two hides”,
> etc., and playing race track on graph paper (which didn’t grab her (used
> squares that were too small) but that’s about all I have in my repertoire.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for really nifty stuff on the web (or that I could learn
> from the web quick enough) for 9 year olds.  I;ve been told that early
> childhood is the best time to teach calculus, but not by anybody who
> actually knew how to do it.  She is quick on a computer.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
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Re: [FRIAM] catch a gravitational wave press conference

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Thank you for the link to see gravitational wave press conference in live.

Here It's the link to see the press conference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_582rU6neLc

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> This morning at 10:30 eastern, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyo4DFr4D4I
>
> www.nature.com has posted a live feed link, too, revisionists there are
> arguing who actually deserves credit for predicting gravitational waves.
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Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Hosting Service

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

I have been using bluehost for years. It is good for my needs. I am not a
"hard-core" programmer. Php, MySQL, a few javascript libraries and that's
all.

Around ten years ago I hosted in my house my site and others of my friends
but  It worried me the frequency of cyberattacks. Three in a year. Enough.
Any how, It is fun to run a server at home. Some day I will do it again but
with a firewall well configured and I will never provoke someones anger.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Tom Johnson  wrote:

> Yes, I use Bluehost, too.  Works well enough and with a lot of accessories.
> Tom
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>> I use Bluehost
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>>> The hosting service for backspaces.net literally closed up shop and
>>> disappeared w/o warning or access to data!
>>>
>>> So I'm looking for a reasonable hosting service with ssh access and
>>> modest hacking capabilities .. bash, *nix commands, possibly node.js, as
>>> well as a reasonable "dashboard" .. like CPanel or similar for installing
>>> packages.
>>>
>>> I'll probably use this as a way to toss hosted wordpress and media wiki
>>> and just use much simpler blog/wiki web services.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations?
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Re: [FRIAM] appropriate content for FRIAM

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Neo Darwinism is well accepted here in my coordinates. Robbing and misusing 
(just s little) Dobzhansky's famous sentence: Nothing in my life makes sense 
except in the light of Evolution.

Some times my Bogotanian English make me lose the thread but It does not 
matter. I enjoy it.

Felicidades


On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:31:29 -0600
Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.com wrote:

 Nick,
 
 Rest assured, all your posts are well within the ethereal boundaries.
 
 That said, any future posting of neo-darwinist-inspired evolutionary
 psychology logic will be considered bad aesthetic form ;-p
 
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 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:49 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote:
 
 
  On 08/13/2015 10:19 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
 
  I apologize for this REPLY TO ALL error.  I was actually reaching out to
  Owen about an old private argument concerning what was appropriate for
  FRIAM.  I hope you all will forgive me.
 
 
  Well, private discussions are one thing.  But, I would very much
  appreciate some guidelines on what was [in]appropriate content for the
  mailing list.  It's probably obvious that I have no social skills and,
  hence, no ability to infer what's [in]appropriate.  Being relatively free
  with the thread collapse and delete buttons, I can end up pretty biased
  toward the things that interest me, which runs the risk of crossing the
  [in]appropriateness boundary.
 
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Re: [FRIAM] a week on just linux...

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

I prefer the most minimalistic desktops. Not only because they use less
resources but because I do not like those fancy, colored and plenty of
boxes and icons of the last versions of Gnome, KDE and Ubuntu. I
only use  distributions with LXDE desktop. I just quit Crunchbang only
because maintenance has been finished but Crunchbang is maybe the best
distro I have used in 16 years being a Linux user. I have installed
LXLE and Lubuntu in a same machine booting from different hard drives.
Both of them with LXDE desktop. They are behaving really good.
Lubuntu's repository is better.  I just ordered a brand new Dell with
Ubuntu pre installed. It is going to be fun running Linux in a modern
and good machine.

Windows Systems will be upgraded from win 7 or 8 to Windows 10 on 29th
of July.  Win 8 is really ugly, is even worst than Gnome 3.
Theoretically we should backup our important data prior the upgrade.
Microsoft announced that Win 10 well be free during the first year.
After that, We do not know. I read somewhere that it is possible to
disable the upgrade.

Chromiun and Firefox run pretty fine in Linux. I prefer Firefox because
the amazing amount of Add-ons that can be installed and I normally use
some of them.

2015-07-17 17:22 GMT-05:00 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com:

 Speaking of Windows, a button has recently appeared on my Windows 7
 machine which appears to download and install Windows 10.  Any
 recommendations?

 Frank

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Phone
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 On Jul 17, 2015 1:52 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Not a bash on Windows!
 History:
 I've used linux in the past, and decided to experiment because my desktop
 a Dell has some kind of Gremlin on the windows side that causes it to
 reboot on it's own.
 Being concerned it's a hardware problem first hit control-delete to see
 if anything stood out, cache files, or to many apps running in the
 background etc.
 Only thing that stood out that I could tell was with nothing running and
 it just idle it'd creap up from about 30% ram used to about 40%
 Mixed in firefox because I like the session save and restore addon it'd
 hover around 40% and my games would easly push it to about 55-60% used.
 By used in the pased I meen KDE 2.0 I think it was when I'd start my  fun
 box I'd get a mysterius line that said username@bash(or somesuch) and to
 get to xorg typed in start x, and flash didn't play with I think it was
 Mandrake (no idea what number)

 Why:
 Why not? Plus it be useful to see if it has a buried gremlin.

 Results:
 I had Ubuntu 1405 Trusty I think it is.
 Sufficed to say Ubuntu is growing on me, and after about 4-5 days of
 doing my routine things mostly works. *yeah*

 Just to see if it's a hardware issue decided  to spin up chromium, then
 Chrome with random google searches ,and tossed in a bunch of tabs in
 firefox, and my old ooold del  from 07 or so. No crash, no bluescreen.
 *yeeeah*


 Questions:
 I'm not particularly familiar with chromium, and not maried to it as a
 browser iether. I didn't see where it might have somethlike addblock. I ask
 because websites I might typically go to (google, bing git, wordpress.com
 etc) hadd all sorts of inline adds, that I gather addblock on FireFox keeps
 out*yeeeah*





 
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Re: [FRIAM] Greek Crisis Philosophy

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

2015-07-06 11:46 GMT-05:00 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net:

 I love the No vote. The EU now faces state's rights.



Where I have seen this before?

Just fill the blank: The  __ now faces state's rights.





-- Owen

 On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Marcus Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com
 wrote:

  When it comes to U.S. revenue vs. spending, perhaps some states in the
 red (as opposed to red states!) should worry about getting cut off by
 Washington?  Now, New Mexico has a certain amount of visibility to
 Washington, but what about Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky?  One might
 imagine North Dakota could turn it around with fracking tax revenue.One
 can imagine that Greeks probably don’t like being treated like Kentucky.
 I’m sure Kentucky is nice,  and they wouldn’t like to switch to their own
 currency.  Or maybe they would!



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state



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 J. Cordingley
 *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 5:06 PM
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 *Subject:* [FRIAM] Greek Crisis  Philosophy



 As part of my continuing search for understanding how the world works and
 the role of philosophy...

 1st question: It's been pointed out in a recent Washington Post article
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/04/a-hilarious-monty-python-sketch-explains-why-greece-is-in-a-huge-crisis/
 that the fundamental problem in the current Greek crisis was epitomized in
 Monty Python's the Philosopher's Football Match (Wikipedia
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Philosophers%27_Football_Match /
 Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8) between Greece
 and Germany. Is it true?

 2nd question, why does it seem that such a sketch works in the UK but
 never in the US?

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Re: [FRIAM] Fun Times in Ecuador

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Hola


La tensión política que se presenta en Ecuador también se presenta en la
gran mayoría de los países de América del sur. En esta región algunos
países están bajo el control de la derecha, otros lo están de la izquierda
pero en todos los casos existen debates intensos con altos niveles de
exaltación y con cierta tendencia a la intolerancia.  Lo que queda claro es
que en estos países no hemos sido capaces de resolver algunos problemas que
teóricamente en otros países del mundo se resolvieron hace decenios, siglos
quizás. Sin embargo, situaciones como, por ejemplo, la tensión racial y el
abuso policial en los Estados Unidos, las tensiones sociales que emergen en
épocas de crisis en países del “mundo desarrollado”,  las tensiones con
facciones radicales del Islam y de otras religiones, muestran que en ningún
lugar del mundo nuestra especie humana ha logrado verdaderos estados de
convivencia o de respeto por el otro o por la diferencia. Cada uno de
nosotros concibe, interpreta y desea al mundo desde su visión particular o
desde el rasgo que más lo define como individuo dentro de la sociedad a la
que pertenece. Aunque la objetividad no existe y debido a que la verdad es
relativa, creo que es mejor ser un testigo de los hechos que vivir con el
apasionamiento de ser parte. Por eso la ciencia es a veces un privilegio
conveniente. Para mala fortuna es muy difícil no apasionarse ni hacerse
parte.


Regards

2015-06-30 22:31 GMT-05:00 Gary Schiltz g...@naturesvisualarts.com:

 [A long post follows - I hope it is interesting to at least a few on
 the list (I'm thinking especially of Ivan Ordoñez)]

 Despite living here in EC for 7 years, I'm still trying to figure the
 place out. There are so many things I could say about it, but most
 would be just sort of gut feelings. My Spanish reading skills have
 only recently reached the point where I can read newspapers with
 little enough pain to make it worthwhile.

 First, the good things. The country is extremely varied
 geographically. It is about the size of NM, with a population of about
 13 million. We have Amazonian jungle, mountains over 21,000 feet,
 Pacific beaches, and then of course the Galapagos. I live at about
 6500 feet elevation, so I don't need much heat, and never any cooling.
 It's amazing living on the west slope of the Andes. I can drive half
 an hour and get an increase in temperature of about 10 degrees F,
 another half an hour for another 10 degrees. Or, I can drive half hour
 up our gravel road for a decrease of 10 degrees. So, up to a 30 degree
 temperature range in an hour and a half of driving. It's very
 beautiful where I live, but quite cloudy (that's why it's called cloud
 forest :-)  People are generally very friendly here, but the idea of
 the truth seems to be a little flexible. Non-prepared food is cheap,
 especially fruits and vegetables. It is still legal for foreigners to
 own land here, and land in rural areas can be bought for between the
 low hundreds of dollars per acre, up to thousands. You can get
 permanent residency by several means; Karen and I did so by investing
 more than $25K by buying land (and then building two houses on it).

 In my opinion, the bad things pretty much begin with the current
 government. Rafael Correa swept into power in 2007 on a populist
 platform modeled laregly after Hugo Chavez of Venezuela - many have
 called him Chavez Light. At first, he was pretty moderate, and spent
 all of Ecuador's income from oil (I believe we are a member of OPEC),
 which was high because of the price of crude, on infrastructure
 projects. I wholeheartedly support investing in infrastructure. So
 though I was initially a little skeptical, after 8 years of GW Bush, I
 had convinced myself that leftist governments are a good thing.
 However, within a couple of years, the entire national assembly was
 from Correa's party, and the populist rhetoric, replete with
 rich-vs-poor talk, steadily increased. Then he loaded the courts with
 his supporters, so with all three branches of government, he has
 pretty much gotten whatever he wants. He has a huge ego and hates to
 be criticized. So, he started passing laws restricting legitimate
 criticism, much like Chavez. After a couple of journalists were fined
 millions of dollars for libel against Correa, criticism pretty much
 died, and many people became genuinely fearful to say anything
 negative about him in public.

 When the price of crude dropped dramatically, there wasn't enough
 money to feed his newly created huge bureaucracy. So, he turned to a
 few countries, especially China, and got high-interest loans. At the
 moment, I believe EC is in debt to the tune of $35 billion, and even
 with crude prices going up somewhat, there still isn't enough cash
 being collected to maintain the bureaucracy. At first, he merely added
 safeguards (basically import quotas and higher import duties). After
 all, this only affected the rich. Even that wasn't enough. So, he
 made a mistake 

Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Maybe some people is prone to the magical thinking more than others. Maybe
is physic, maybe it is cultural. Maybe it is really related to mental
processes biochemically mediated. Maybe there is a kind of enzyme of the
faith. I lack of it, of course. Anyhow, God bless you.

2014-12-27 14:03 GMT-05:00 Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com:

 Someone has to ask it:

 Anyone else read the thread tittle as What's the diagnosis for asthma?

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net
  wrote:

 Glen thinks that atheists and theists are delusional.  My claim is that
 agnostics are non-existent.   From which it follows, I guess that all
 humans
 are delusional.

 I am ok with that.

 N

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 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:57 PM
 To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
 Subject: Re: [FRIAM] clinical diagnosis of [a]theism?

 Glen writes:

 ``Well, my specific problem is that I think atheists and theists are
 delusional.  They think they know things they cannot know.  So, if Nick's
 point is that the concept of theist (or atheist) is too muddy to
 define
 validatable[*] tests for, then, as an agnostic, I would completely
 agree.''

 Let's say I have a program and it does something that I don't expect.
 Someone says it is the witchcraft from a particular gal that works on the
 HVAC system.
 I ask Is it because the computer got too hot?   Did she fail to keep the
 air conditioning running properly?   They respond, No, it's not the
 temperature, it's the witchcraft.   I look in the index of the
 instruction
 set under W and under remote access protocols, interrupt mechanisms, etc.
 Nothing.   I keep removing degrees of freedom from the code and
 environment
 and all of my suggestions are rejected by my peer as Not an instance of
 witchcraft.   I ask for suggestions on how to prove that witchcraft is at
 work and they just show me pictures of their witch suspects and give me a
 pamphlet on building big fires.   Meanwhile, I discover a simple,
 mechanical, explanation for why the program isn't doing what I expect, fix
 it, and tell the growing mob of witch burners about what I discovered.
  (Of
 course, their explanation is that they were successful in intimidating the
 witch and she was forced to release me from her spell.)

 It should be possible to associate with any proposition a probability
 function that takes as arguments other routines that describe how to
 perform
 an experiment and the result of that experiment.   The details of the
 experiment routines should be provided and should not include call a
 friend or reference anything that is already known or obvious.All
 functions and routines should be written down before doing the experiment.
 It should be possible that by sweeping over the space of unknowns
 (potential
 inputs) in the experiment routines to get some probabilities near zero and
 some near one.

 The refusal or inability to write these functions and routines is an
 indicator that the speaker is full of it and would rather talk about
 witches.
 When cornered on a question, can the believer justify or change their
 belief?

 Marcus


 
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[FRIAM] NoSQL

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Hola

I wonder, which one is the most usable NoSQL database.  I am guessing,
maybe MongoDB?

Hasta pronto

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Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Tom

In Argentina and Uruguay Y is pronounced almost like your sh in shopping.
In general in Colombia there isn´t difference in the pronunciation of LL an
Y.


2014-02-23 23:40 GMT-05:00 Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com:

 Well, since we've gone this far...

 I have yet to land on a singular pronunciation of yo.. It can vary from
 the hard Y as in Joe to yo like yo-yo.
 My preliminary observation: the farther south one goes in LatAm, the
 harder/stronger the y, as in Joe.  But better data is clearly needed.
 I wonder if linguists have done any mapping of Spanish as has been done for
 American usages?
 -TJ
 On Feb 23, 2014 6:50 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:

  On 2/23/14 6:36 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

  Xavier and Xalapa come to mind.   Both those xs are pronounced like
 h.

 and Mehico!


 
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Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Yes, and you always use the accent in the first syllable.


2014-02-24 11:30 GMT-05:00 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com:

 Alfredo,



 Unfortunately, most documents in the U.S., including newspapers, social
 security cards, etc., omit the accents and tildes.  I suspect that the New
 Mexico driver's license of my friend Iván Ordóñez says Ivan Ordonez.  I
 wonder whether the New York Times follows this tradition.  Do you know, Tom?



 Frank





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 Covaleda Vélez
 *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM

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 Frank



 The X in Ximena, for example sounds in sapnish like a J, wich is your h in
 hill, for example.



 Don´t forget the rules of the tilde and the accents. For example Chávez
 and Chaves have the accent in the first syllable.  The Spain in América
 Latina, in general, has lost difference between the s and the z, and for
 this reason Chávez and Chaves sound the same. Something similar occurs with
 González and Gonzales, Both have accent in the same syllable.



 2014-02-23 20:36 GMT-05:00 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com:

 Xavier and Xalapa come to mind.   Both those xs are pronounced like h.



 Frank





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 Barnes
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 *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group

 *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames



 Thank you. I suspected it would be something like this; it seems also this
 region picked up a slight excess of Xs from Mexico, which are pronounced
 like Js (or like Hs in English), although I must say I am at an unfortunate
 loss to call any to memory besides Me`xico itself.
 EDIT: Well, we do standardize/ise on chile, while others do not...
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Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames

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Frank

The X in Ximena, for example sounds in sapnish like a J, wich is your h in
hill, for example.

Don´t forget the rules of the tilde and the accents. For example Chávez and
Chaves have the accent in the first syllable.  The Spain in América Latina,
in general, has lost difference between the s and the z, and for this
reason Chávez and Chaves sound the same. Something similar occurs with
González and Gonzales, Both have accent in the same syllable.


2014-02-23 20:36 GMT-05:00 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com:

 Xavier and Xalapa come to mind.   Both those xs are pronounced like h.



 Frank





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 *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames



 Thank you. I suspected it would be something like this; it seems also this
 region picked up a slight excess of Xs from Mexico, which are pronounced
 like Js (or like Hs in English), although I must say I am at an unfortunate
 loss to call any to memory besides Me`xico itself.
 EDIT: Well, we do standardize/ise on chile, while others do not...
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Re: [FRIAM] Spelling of Spanish Surnames

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Frank

Almost a a rule, I think that almost all the surnames originated in Spain
bring accent in the penultimate syllable. If surname ends in S and accent
is at the penultimate syllable, forget the tilde. But when accent is at the
penultimate syllable and surname ends in Z, put the tilde. Both sound the
same.


2014-02-23 18:01 GMT-05:00 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com:

 Spelling of certain surnames (apellidos) in Spanish wasn't standardized
 until after New Mexico was colonized by Spain.  There are only a few
 spelling ambiguities that are possible in Spanish:  soft c, s and z
 are pretty much indistinguishable;  ll and y sound the same; h isn't
 pronounced so you will sometimes see hormiga spelled as ormiga, for
 example.  In New Mexico and certain other places you will see Gonzales,
 Chaves, Sisneros, and Vasquez while in Mexico and Spain they are
 almost always spelled Gonzalez, Chavez, Cisneros, and Vazquez.
 There are many other examples.



 Frank





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 The rationale Dimas gave (in a Generation Next interview) is that he
 thinks the public fora Bushe`e and Gonzales have been debating in (the
 usual places, that is) are frequented predominantly by insiders, and not
 the public at large. Apparently, he thinks the best way to contact the
 actual public, then, is to flood the city with the physical equivalent of
 spam - polycarbonate campaign signs. I cannot vote for mayor because I live
 outside city limits (if you actually look at the boundaries, especially on
 the south side, they can be pretty ragged), but I would love to see an art
 campaign for defacing his (and others') posters - even his supporters could
 join in with favorable modifications.

 It seems like the main reason behind the (more extensive than one might
 think?) feeling of 'no good choice' is that the main venues of discussion
 have focussed on politics (like funding) rather than issues and
 ideological/action history. Gonzales (Chrome suggested Gonzalez, is that
 spelling more common internationally?) may be backed by big money, but more
 important are the questions of *whose* big money, and *if* that will
 affect his actions as possible mayor, and *in which way*.

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Re: [FRIAM] You're invited to Clones or Cures: The Politics and Ethics of Stem Cell... (Aug 19, 2013)

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Hola Tom

Will It be broadcasted by KSFR? If it is the case I'll try to listen after
arriving from the swamplands.

Regards



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Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Me parece increíble que 420.000 usuarios de Linux sean tan descuidados y no
le presten el mínimo de atención a la más básica medida de seguridad como
es tener un password  para ingresar al perfil. También es interesante ver
el nivel de acceso de Linux en todo el mundo.


2013/5/1 glen e p ropella g...@tempusdictum.com

 This Is the Most Detailed Picture of the Internet Ever (and Making it
 Was Very Illegal)


 http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/this-is-most-detailed-picture-internet-ever

 The resultant map isn't perfect, but it is beautiful. Based on the
 parameter's of the researcher's study, the map is already on its way to
 becoming obsolete, since it shows only devices with IPv4 addresses. (The
 latest standard is IPv6, but IPv4 is still pretty common.) The map is
 further limited to Linux-based computers with a certain amount of
 processing power. And finally, because of the parameters of the hack, it
 shows some amount of bias towards naive users who don't put passwords on
 their computers.

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[FRIAM] PHP is a Hobbit

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

It is post from PHP Developer Manuel Lemos. Cool.


http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/201-6-Reasons-Why-PHP-is-a-Hobbit.html


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Re: [FRIAM] Semi-final note on the Google Nexus 4

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

FYI
Touch Developer Preview of Ubuntu to be published on 21 February 2013
http://www.canonical.com/content/touch-developer-preview-ubuntu-be-published-21-february-2013

Felicidades


2013/1/21 Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net

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[FRIAM] Asteroid

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Pretty Nice simulation of asteroid´s pass very close to earth in just a
while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=URfr3Np6ELM

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[FRIAM] DEBATE about Religion and Atheism

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUg-1NCCowc


PS. Christopher Hitchens murió en diciembre el año pasado. Asi que o está
en la Gloria de Dios o simplemente transformado en otras formas físicas de
la naturaleza. A mi me da igual !
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Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

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Re: [FRIAM] The Lost Land

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Of course I was kidding. Doctrine is maybe the term that I like the less.
We, the human kind, need more objectivity, more generosity and less
fundamentalisms; but naturally it is an utopia to think that doctrines will
not rule the world. Societies will continue fighting because of ethnicity,
religion and politics. Doctrine makes us different and is the argument
behind the struggle for the power and the perfect excuse to do what humans
like the most: to make the war. What a savage and pitiful specie is the
Homo Sapiens!!.


2012/8/19 Alfredo Covaleda alfredocoval...@gmail.com


 My Doctrine is: America for the American Indians. I mean the real native
 Americans from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego... like me or at least, almost
 the half of my genome.

 Regards


 2012/8/19 Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net


 Steve, thanks for the long and personal response. If it understand it
 right, then every American is living on occupied land, since every corner
 of America once belonged to native Americans. You are not the only one. In
 the land of the free and the home of the brave freedom apparently does not
 mean freedom for American Indians to live as they would like to do. But you
 can judge the situation better than I do. You are right, it really seems to
 be a complicated issue.

 An old Chinese proverb says 'better to bend in the wind than to break':
 although the native Americans have to bend, they still can remain firmly
 rooted in their unique heritage and rich cultural history. Maybe art and/or
 tourism can offer a way out of the crisis. Who knows..

 -J.

 Sent from Android

 Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
 Jochen -

 I appreciate this post.
  In the recent edition of National Geographic there
  is an article about Native Americans named
  In the shadow of wounded knee
  http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/pine-ridge/fuller-text
 I am very sensitive to this issue because *I* literally own/live-on a
 small piece of land that was expropriated from a Native tribe very
 recently.I also listen regularly to strong rhetoric against the
 Israelis for their handling of the Palestinians while living amongst our
 own Native Americans who have been treated (in past centuries) even more
 brutally and in present times, perhaps less so, but still less than ideal.

 Some on this list will perceive your post and my response perhaps as
 political..  I try to remain relatively neutral in the politics, but I
 believe this is a significant humanitarian issue.  And by humanitarian
 I don't just mean the humanity of those being abused, I'm concerned for
 the humanity of the abusers... roughly us.   I am not religious so I
 don't really think in terms of saved or lost souls but if I did, I'd
 be much more worried about the souls of the occupiers than of the
 occupied.

 And a simple answer to  simple question... NO, the cultural differences
 (I'm reluctant to use the terms higher or lower) do not justify an
 occupation.   And to this list we can add many more examples (e.g. South
 Africa) and open questions such as the Mongolian occupation of much of
 Eastern Europe and the middle east, or the Roman Occupation of north
 africa, middle east, europe, or the Moorish occupation of Spain, or the
 Native American (Asian?) occupation of North America (did they have a
 big hand in the die-off of the megafauna of North America?).

 My house is built on 1.5 acres among a section of 5.5 acres which Public
 Service of NM took ownership for the purpose of building a natural gas
 compression station.  I do not know their mechanism for this, it *may
 have been* a trade, but it also may have been a simple request to the
 State or Fed to condemn the parcel they wanted, literally taking it by
 (legal) force from the San Ildefonso Pueblo, a very small tribe on a
 very small reservation, Perhaps a thousand  people on a few hundred
 square miles.   Apparently PNM changed their minds and decided not to
 complete the project but managed to hold on to the land and sell it to a
 private (Anglo) individual who then subdivided and resold (to more
 Anglos).   4 homes were built on these properties in the 1980's and in
 2000 I bought mine from the original owner-builder.   Reviewing the
 title search, I discovered the provenance.  It was a little
 disturbing... the details I give here were not in the document, only the
 record that PNM was the first owner after the pueblo itself.   The
 rest I pieced together from other information.

 So I am now, just like many of the Zionists in Israel, an occupier. I
 feel somewhat innocent in my motivations, however i have to admit to
 having coveted this location since before the homes were built 30 years
 ago, knowing that it was embedded in the reservation... appreciating
 it for it's location, including the proximity to this pueblo.
 Romantically, I wanted to believe it was some small homestead from the
 1800s which had been deeded to the family of the hispanic original
 occupants when NM became a state

Re: [FRIAM] Great Free Math Book

[Alfredo Covaleda]

-CheckProblem..302
 22.4.3 TheChineseAppetizerProblem .303
 23 Expected Value II 305
 23.1 TheExpectedNumberofEventsthatHappen.. 305
 23.1.1 ACoinProblem—theEasyWay.306
 23.1.2 TheHardWay306
 23.2 TheCouponCollectorProblem..307
 23.2.1 ASolutionUsingLinearityofExpectation... 307
 23.3 Expected Value of a Product 309
 23.3.1 TheProductofTwoIndependentDice..309
 23.3.2 TheProductofTwoDependentDice...310
 23.3.3 Corollaries..310
 24 Weird Happenings 315
 24.1 The New Grading Policy.. 316
 24.1.1 Markov’sInequality316
 24.1.2 LimitationsoftheMarkovInequality..317
 24.2 The Tip of the Tail.. 317
 24.2.1 UpperBound:TheUnionBound.318
 24.2.2 LowerBound:“Murphy’sLaw”.318
 24.2.3 TheBigPicture...319
 24.3 ChernoffBounds ..320
 24.3.1 MITAdmissions ..321
 24.3.2 ProvingChernoffBounds .322
 24.4Hashing ...324
 24.4.1 TheFirstCollision .325
 24.4.2 NRecordsinNBins 325
 24.4.3 AllBinsFull.326
 25 Random Walks 327
 25.1 ABug’sLife.327
 25.1.1 ASimplerProblem.328
 25.1.2 ABigIsland.329
 25.1.3 LifeExpectancy...332
 25.2TheGambler’sRuin334
 25.2.1 FindingaRecurrence335
 25.2.2 SolvingtheRecurrence...335
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Re: [FRIAM] Which programming languages are fastest? | Computer Language Benchmarks Game

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Nice. It is commonly known that  interpreters are slower than compilers but
it is interesting to have measures and a ranking.

Thanks


2012/3/18 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Latest shootout results.

 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=alllang=all


 V8 JS still hanging in there well ahead of all the agile gang
 (ruby/python/etc).  C# seems to be loosing ground to hefty Java, but that
 could easily be optimization flags.

 The python numbers may be unfair: its all python code with no C libraries.
  I doubt many python programs are w/o the python wrappers around C code.

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Re: [FRIAM] A Good Question - Should the United States join OPEC?

[Alfredo Covaleda]

US Companies explore, exploit and export petroleum from almost every
country in the world.


2012/2/27 Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com

 We exported more petroleum products, not more oil. We are still net oil
 importers.

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 On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote:

  From
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/us-becomes-net-exporter-o_n_857085.html

  While some Americans cut 
 backhttp://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/11/gas-prices-rise-americans-cutting-back-on-driving/
  on
 driving as gas prices soar, the U.S. has become a net exporter of fuel for
 the first time in nearly 20 years.

 According to data from the Energy 
 Department,http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PETs=MTPNTUS2f=Mstarting
 last November -- with the exception of the month of January -- the U.S.
 began exporting more petroleum products than it imported.


 This is not the source I got the idea from, its been in the news quite a
 bit lately, this is just the first google hit I tried.

 The theory is that between the recession (thus less use of fuel, both
 supply side and demand), conservation/efficiency, and more recent hi-tech
 oil/gas exploitation (horizontal drilling), the US consumption has dropped
 and the production has increased, causing a net surplus.

 It certainly is surprising.

-- Owen

 On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Hugh Trenchard htrench...@shaw.cawrote:

 **
 Where did you see that the US is now a net oil exporter?  The
 attachments below are 2008 and 2009, but I suspect the picture hasn't
 changed much since then (US imports 75% of its oil for consumption). I
 believe I saw reference to potential exporter in the NY Times article.


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/07/26/GR2008072601599.html

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdsdigital/4056035804/

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net
 *To:* Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 9:14 AM
 *Subject:* [FRIAM] A Good Question - Should the United States join OPEC?

 Now for something completely different:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/friedman-a-good-question.html

 Basically whether or not the US should join OPEC now that it is a net
 oil exporter.

 Insane as it sounds, there is some reason in the discussion.

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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Installing a dual boot machine is easy with today's Linux distributions.

A couple of months ago I used Octave to do some tasks in mathematics in
both Ubuntu Linux and Windows 7. Ubuntu Linux distrubution lacked of some
libraries and for these reason at the end I shifted to Windows to
accomplish the work with Octave.

There are to many IDEs in Linux to develop in C and C++ . Anjuta, for
example is an IDE belonging to Gnome. I have installed Dev-C++ IDE for
Windows in a Linux machine by using WINE (The windows emulator in Linux)
but it doesn't make sense to do it. Probably, most common choices in both
OS are NetBeans and Eclipse.

Virtual Machines always have crashed  when I have used them.


Hasta pronto y éxitos


2012/2/26 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
 IIRC).

 He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
 bootable partitions, one for each OS.

 Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.

 Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
 this?

 He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
 - Virtual Box
 - Cygwin
 - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
 - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within
 the mathematics world)

 I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
 could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
 compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
 can install a developer's sdk for free (have to register) and presumed
 that was also possible with Windows.

 Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.

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Re: [FRIAM] A Good Question - Should the United States join OPEC?

[Alfredo Covaleda]

I suspect that  both South American members of the OPEC are not interested
in such a bright idea. Maybe later when right returns. By the way,
although  Hispanic population in USA exceeds the population of the most
populated hispanic country in South America and  We are just at three
flying hours from Miami, by now in UNASUR we are fine, thanks.


2012/2/27 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Now for something completely different:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opinion/sunday/friedman-a-good-question.html

 Basically whether or not the US should join OPEC now that it is a net oil
 exporter.

 Insane as it sounds, there is some reason in the discussion.

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[FRIAM] Something From Nothing: Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins

[Alfredo Covaleda]

**Today Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins talked about Something From
Nothing in the context of evolution.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20341041
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Re: [FRIAM] Something From Nothing: Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Don't miss it. They had an smart  enjoyable talk about biology, astronomy,
religion and politics.


2012/2/10 Alfredo Covaleda alfredocoval...@gmail.com

 **Today Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins talked about Something From
 Nothing in the context of evolution.

 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20341041
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[FRIAM] Next Dictator

[Alfredo Covaleda]

After Gadaffi's death a local newspaper wrote : who is going to be the next
dictator to fall?.  Well, my answer is: Wall Street.

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Re: [FRIAM] Next Dictator

[Alfredo Covaleda]

I think current model has some sinister and wicked rules:

1. To make of each one of us an stockholder. We can't choose if we want or
not to gamble. The fact of opening a retirement account makes you an
stockholder. ¿Where is it the freedom of western culture? You must decide
the level of risk of the investment you are constrained to do.  In the same
sense, at the end profits belongs to the bank but losses belongs to the
owner of the retirement account. Banks use our money to increase their
profits. For example, last trimester I lost more than twice the amount I
saved during the same period (check your accounts).

2. Labor flexibilization: is an excuse to impel private inversion.
Theoretically, reducing the cost of production gives more jobs.
Unfortunately to reduce cost of production means reduce all kind of benefits
for workers and creates labor instability but the worst thing is that it is
false about creation of more jobs.

3. Health care privatization: has made life a merchandise and level of
corruption in this kind of private companies is amazingly big (at least in
my country).

4. To allow companies to growth without limit. The tiny company will
extinct, monopoly will get strong and more poor people will emerge. Years
ago I read that the value of Microsoft was equivalent to the economy of
Spain and my Country of the size of Yahoo. It is ridiculous.


At the end of the day, real discussion is the weak paper of the governments.



2011/10/22 Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

 Good point!  And any academics on this list should think hard about where
 their TIAA-CREF money actually IS. 

 There’s a “social responsibility” fund, for instance.  But my point was a
 psychological one, right.  

 ** **

 Should we be lobbying  TIAA to stop buying bonds issued by the likes of
 Bank of America, if, indeed, they do?  

 ** **

 Nick 

 ** **

 *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Marcus G. Daniels
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:11 AM
 *To:* friam@redfish.com

 *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Next Dictator

 ** **

 On 10/22/2011 10:45 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: 

 So why did  we in the middle class been so stalwart in our defense of wall
 street for the last 40 years?

  

 The answer, it seems to me, is that we are all stockholders.

 

 [..]

 

 Over the years CREF, which started out as a sturdy conservative fund,
  became a “family of funds”, and you could invest your retirement money in
 any crap you felt like.  In short, many academics lost a large proportion of
 their retirement.  

  

 Thus, the gradual erosion of our retirement institutions in the 50’s into
 INVESTMENT institutions has turned us all from people trying to guarantee a
 minimum dignified retirement income to people trying to make a stock-market
 killing.  

 As Doug has pointed out many times, a large chunk of the `99%' create the
 problem and won't take responsibility for it.

 TIAA-CREF has a number of funds and lets one move between them with the
 latency of a few days.   It's not like a retiree's financial security is
 held hostage to a particular fund.   For example, there's this option:

 http://www.tiaa-cref.org/public/about/how-we-invest/sri/social-screening/

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Re: [FRIAM] Dennis Ritchie: The Shoulders Steve Jobs Stood On (Wired)

[Alfredo Covaleda]

You are joking. Aren't you?  That's not the sense, I think that you are not
pointing to where article is doing. With fair reasons many people is making
eulogies to something that transcended. Dennis Ritchie let a legacy which is
impossible to deny. Today's software is not  Fortran descendant  is C
descendant. I think that's the sense. No body is telling or asking if C is
perfect. To say that programming languages  had to be better this way or
that way  is a good and interesting question but doesn't change current
programming languages state. If you let me say a metaphor; I am here thanks
to a some rare structure appeared 3500 millions years ago: a Prokariotic
cell that contained DNA freely flowing in the citoplams. Why nucleotides?.
Wasn't better other kind of structure. Why Adenine, why Guanine. Why
diphosphate. Will Structure and Function of ancient ADN emerged 3500
millions years ago be responsible of cancer that with high probabilities
will kill me some day? (attending to familiar history. Just an example).
They are questions  that really don't matter (even if cancer actually will
kill me). Is the legacy from C to Java or C++  or PHP responsable of
problems that programmers  have when are trying to code?. If today's
software were Fortran descendant, software were better?
No more than the kind of questions made for Albert Camus if were alive.

¿Why something emerged  this way and not than that way?


2011/10/15 Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com

 How did Dennis Ritchie's death make C a wonderful language?

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 alfredocoval...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice article

 http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/10/thedennisritchieeffect/

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Re: [FRIAM] JSTOR

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Frank

So long ago I have been using f the following site.

http://highwire.stanford.edu/

Many of the articles are for free and there are hundreds of serial
publications.




2011/10/13 Frank Wimberly wimber...@gmail.com

 Apropos of a recent discussion here, some schools are making JSTOR access
 available to alumni:

 http://about.jstor.org/participate-jstor/libraries/alumni


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[FRIAM] RIP Dennis Ritchie

[Alfredo Covaleda]

http://ht.ly/1f8Aq4

Dennis Ritchie has let an important one and not yet enough valued legacy but
comparing with Steve Jobs  worldwide prominence and fame and the impact of
the news about his death, It brought to my memory the Historias de Famas y
Cronopios written Julio Cortázar. Yes I know, it's an unfair comparison.
Maybe I am just comparing the impact of both news. Anyhow, It is clear to me
that Steve Jobs was a Fama.

We have many to thank to Dennis Ritchie.

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[FRIAM] Dennis Ritchie: The Shoulders Steve Jobs Stood On (Wired)

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Nice article

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2011/10/thedennisritchieeffect/

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[FRIAM] YouTube Launches Space Experiment Contest for Students

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Maybe your kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews and your students can try
something else than the slinky

http://www.space.com/13242-youtube-space-lab-competition-students.html

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[FRIAM] India unveils world's cheapest tablet

[Alfredo Covaleda]

India unveils world's cheapest tablet computer
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-india-computer-tablet-20111006,0,1592428.story

I don't know if OLPC has been a successful program. If my memories don't
betray me, OLPC had problems because of some commercial conflicts with
hardware makers. I guess that India has got everything to achieve his/her
goals with this program.


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[FRIAM] 3rd Workshop on Complex Networks

[Alfredo Covaleda]

*3rd Workshop on Complex Networks*
http://2012.complenet.org/

*CompleNet 2012*
Melbourne, Florida, USA
March 7-9, 2012
*Hosted by
Department of Computer Sciences
Florida Institute of Technology*

Abstract/Paper Submission
November 4, 2011
Author Notification
December 4, 2011

. Specific topics of interest are (but not limited to):


   1.

   • Models of Complex Networks
   2.

   • Structural Network Properties and Analysis
   3.

   • Complex Network in Technology
   4.

   • Complex Networks in Biological Systems
   5.

   • Social Networks
   6.

   • Search in Complex Networks
   7.

   • Emergence in Complex Networks
   8.

   • Complex Networks and Epidemics
   9.

   • Rumor Spreading
   10.

   • Community Structure in Networks
   11.

   • Link Analysis and Ranking
   12.

   • Geometry in Complex Networks
   13.

   • Shocks and Bursts
   14.

   • Network Evolution
   15.

   • Networks as Frameworks
   16.

   • Networks in Arts and Humanities
   17.

   • Medical and Brain Networks
   18.

   • Synchronization in Networks




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Re: [FRIAM] Eddie Rosenstein: Tom Hanks Narrates 'BOATLIFT, ' Honors Untold 9/11 Story Of Mariner Heroes (VIDEO)

[Alfredo Covaleda]

CAS should work for job creation and economic recovery.



2011/9/20 Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com

 A nice example of complex adaptive systems at work.
 -tj

 Tom Hanks Narrates 'BOATLIFT,' Honors Untold 9/11 Story Of Mariner Heroes
 (VIDEO)

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eddie-rosenstein/tom-hanks-narrates-boatlift_b_956529.html




 
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Re: [FRIAM] All Together Now - NYTimes.com

[Alfredo Covaleda Vélez]

Hola

I don't understand why he says that China's growth model is under
pressure. China had been growing at a rate upper than 9% and in opinion of
economists from economical observatories in USA, China will continue growing
at a rate around 8.8% in spite of Europe and US difficulties to growth.
Maybe, USA  preoccupation  about a China's manipulation of the currency is
so simplistic and incomplete.

The referred article doesn't show a complete scheme of the global economy.
During decades Latin America remained poor being the source of commodities
for USA and Europe. Now, when China emerges as an economical power, Latin
America becomes source of the same commodities for China but this time,
richness and growth finally arrived to Latin America region. It seems that
extremely asymmetrical relations between the big brothers (US-Europe) and
Latin America don't exist between China and Latin America and it has created
a fruitful symbiosis between both and I suppose that it may be a similar
situation between China and countries of Africa and Asia.

During the last days Jim Hoffa has been in the headlines in the US media
because of his polemical opinions about some republican's moms. In spite of
this pitiful gossip, he did say something interesting criticizing to some
successful USA companies. He says that these companies are not doing well
while manufacturing in China because it increases unemployment in USA.
That's a good point, but salary in China is so cheap; even some companies
from Latin America are manufacturing in China too.

 ¿Which one if the formula?.. still thinking.



2011/9/5 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Interesting premise from Tom's latest op-ed piece: http://goo.gl/rm3Te

 We're going through 4 huge shifts in the world, and no one has any idea how
 to manage them:

 Quote: Now let me say that in English: the European Union is cracking up.
 The Arab world is cracking up. China’s growth model is under pressure and
 America’s credit-driven capitalist model has suffered a warning heart attack
 and needs a total rethink. Recasting any one of these alone would be huge.
 Doing all four at once — when the world has never been more interconnected —
 is mind-boggling. We are again “present at the creation” — but of what?


 The first (the EU) freaks me out most, both because it's extraordinarily
 difficult to manage, and because no one in the US seems to see how important
 it is.

 Worth a read.

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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Interesting to see how these smart guys from google resemble dogs barking at
his own shadow. Each one of my mail accounts and my own domains are
centralized in gmail. I always send mail from gmail. I don`t use Outlook nor
Kmail, etc. It is hard to understand that gmail can't authenticate mail sent
from their own servers. Están en la olla, están fregados, están jodidos,
están chiflados,  if google software doesn't understand headers generated
by google software.

Alfredo


2011/8/19 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Here are the 27 email addresses I've seen so far that give the weird gmail
 error message .. I think its any direct @gmail.com account, i.e. not those
 of us using our own domains.

 I'd really like it if a sysadmin would look at the problem to see if our
 mail lists could include the headers Google wants.

 This message may not have been sent by:
 alfredocoval...@gmail.com
 brittgris...@gmail.com
 bruce.sherw...@gmail.com
 carrera.fa...@gmail.com
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 collida...@gmail.com
 drew.einh...@gmail.com
 editorst...@gmail.com
 erik.nels0...@gmail.com
 ewhitm...@gmail.com
 gil.densm...@gmail.com
 glennwi...@gmail.com
 grant.holland...@gmail.com
 gregortr...@gmail.com
 gsonn...@gmail.com
 mhbar...@gmail.com
 mree.wh...@gmail.com
 mthomasart...@gmail.com
 ppary...@gmail.com
 redfishgroup...@gmail.com
 rmfor...@gmail.com
 russ.abb...@gmail.com
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Re: [FRIAM] iClarified - Apple News - Google Launches a Social Network: Google+

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Hola

I have read a couple of articles where some researchers conclude that
Internet is used to make public the private things and allows to establish
non-deep and non-strong relations with many people (quantity not quality in
relations). Probably Internet is the space where each human tries to be what
wants to be: the center of the universe. It's not that bad, It's natural.
That's what social networks were made for (Para eso se hicieron las redes
sociales).


2011/6/29 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Can anyone make sense of Google+?
 http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=15826

 I'm starting to get confused about social media.  Personally I don't
 really care a whole lot what all of us are doing every minute of the day,
 but with all the activity, I sense I may be missing the point.

 What is a sane view of social media?

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Re: [FRIAM] The Torture Of Gmail

[Alfredo Covaleda]

I use many of google functionalities. Docs, calendar, web sites. My main
email account is provided by google but using my own domain. With such
amount of space I collect in this account all my pop3 and imap mail accounts
provided by others (gmx, hotmail, aol, etc). I only have had problems to get
my yahoo mail.

Netbooks with Chrome OS are (or  will be) small machines designed to make
you live  in Google world. Chrome OS seems to has been designed to make you
use all google web services.

Google allows colaborative work. For example, I have done work with some
members of this list using google tools. Really useful.

Years ago I worked developing documents managment systems but when Google
launched google docs and made It popular I stopped doing that work because
google tools were enough to satisfy needs. Theoretically, google helps to
reduce costs in companies because covers some software needs.

Google is amazing and smart but sometimes they seem to be invasive.



2011/6/9 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Like many a damn fool, I'm seriously trying to use Gmail, via the web
 interface.

 Now, I (possibly mistakenly) presume you, fellow gmail users, are not
 going through the tortue I am.  In plain words, it Sucks.  Really!

 So I must ask you to answer one of two questions:
 1 - How do you bear it? .. Do you have a stunt to make the web UI more
 usable?
 2 - If not, do you access gmail in some other way?  An email client?
 Or some other way to avoid the Horror Of It All?

 I will go through a couple of weeks and hope for the best.  But
 clearly if you can handle this, you have Given Up.

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Re: [FRIAM] PC emulator written in JavaScript

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Nice. This is cool. You can use vi editor to create and edit files. There is
no gcc to compile code.

JavaScript is amazing.

Gacias.

2011/5/22 Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net

 Speaking of JSEverywhere!  Alas, it doesn't run on Chrome 12 now, but
 likely will in the future.  Runs fine in Firefox latest.

-- Owen

 On May 22, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Steve Drach wrote:

  Javascript PC Emulator: http://bellard.org/jslinux/
 
  Be sure to look at the links below the window.


 
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Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Until appears other man as angry as him

Alfredo.


2011/5/3 Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net

 The world's a better place without him.

 ~Doug Roberts

 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Nicholas Thompson 
 nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice
 in the death of one, not even an enemy.

 Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night
 already devoid of stars.



 ~ Martin Luther King







 Nicholas S. Thompson

 Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

 Clark University

 http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 http://www.cusf.org





 
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Re: [FRIAM] An Ecology of Mind

[Alfredo Covaleda]

extends Psychology   or   implements Psychology


2011/4/28 Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net

 Do you think that Bateson's idea of an Ecology of Mind
 and Minsky's idea of a Society of Mind have something
 in common? Are both Ecology and Sociology useful to
 extend Psychology?

 see http://www6.ufrgs.br/horizon/files/teoria2/bateson.pdf
 or http://books.google.com/books?id=Wfe2t_qzaHEC

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