subject:"\[Full\-disclosure\] The war in Palestine"

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
  propaganda and lies, is you.
  Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
  offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
  repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
  needed,
 
 

 If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic
 way to live and I feel sorry for you.

Thanks for the sympathy.




 oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're
 basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't
 fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life.

 
  So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
  No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
 

 Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it.


 
  You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
 helping.
  Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
 ties
  Israel had with them are drug related).
 

 zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised,  patheticx2.




  As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
 guess
  you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
 

 as far as we see

Yes, 'us' == 'the rest of the world'.




 Shill, proof.

http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



 patheticx3.

I agree. Are you done?





 
  I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
  Now that you do - who is 'us'?
 

 See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then
 the rest of the world. Us is the USA.

I guess you should have capitalized it and not use it as the objective case
of we.


 The country that you've lived in your entire life too scared to fight along
 your scum brothers in
 israel.

I grew up in Israel.




  and you support them 100%.
  Yes I do.
 

 Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians

 Not sure exactly what you want me to do? murder innocent civilians? I don't
do that

in the name of your scum brothers.

and neither do my brothers.


 Hm... pathetic.

Yes, you are.




  You're a terrorist
  http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
 
 and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
  But Obama is closing it down..,

 Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers.
 That will solve 90% of our problems.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.

Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.chwrote:

 We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
 None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your intolerant
 attitude.
 So please shut up and get back to computer security.



 Peter Bruderer




 On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:



 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  Again I'll ask - what facts?
 

 You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
 matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
 propaganda machine.

 I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
 propaganda and lies, is you.
 Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
 offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
 repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
 needed,


 
  You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
 with
  the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
 

 So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
 No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



 
  Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
  real well...
 
 

 The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
 great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
 countries.

 You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
 helping.
 Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
 Israel had with them are drug related).

 Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
 zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
 come true :)
 As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
 guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


 It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
 more then any other country
 I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
 Now that you do - who is 'us'?

  and you support them 100%.
 Yes I do.

  You're a terrorist
 http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

 and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
 But Obama is closing it down..,


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-19 Thread ghost

Typical zionist trying to tell people what to do...

It's ingrained in them to talk down to others at birth, sorry for the
mismanners of the typical zionist jew everyone.



On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.

 Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.ch
 wrote:

 We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
 None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your
 intolerant attitude.
 So please shut up and get back to computer security.


 Peter Bruderer



 On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:


 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  Again I'll ask - what facts?
 

 You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
 matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
 propaganda machine.

 I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
 propaganda and lies, is you.
 Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
 offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
 repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
 needed,


 
  You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
  with
  the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
 

 So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
 No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



 
  Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be
  going
  real well...
 
 

 The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
 great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
 countries.

 You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
 helping.
 Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
 ties Israel had with them are drug related).

 Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
 zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
 come true :)
 As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
 guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


 It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
 more then any other country
 I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
 Now that you do - who is 'us'?

  and you support them 100%.
 Yes I do.

  You're a terrorist
 http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

 and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
 But Obama is closing it down..,


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Typical zionist trying to tell people what to do...

Was just suggesting he follows his own advise.




 It's ingrained in them to talk down to others at birth

I guess you have not followed your own thread, ehmmm... Propaganda, the ones
who are talking down on others here are you and your buddies.


 , sorry for the
 mismanners of the typical zionist jew everyone.

You do not need to apologize in my name, I am pretty capable of doing so
myself if I choose to.
 And talking about manners, you should wash your mouth and fingers with a
lot of soap.





 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.
 
  Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.ch
  wrote:
 
  We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
  None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your
  intolerant attitude.
  So please shut up and get back to computer security.
 
 
  Peter Bruderer
 
 
 
  On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
   Again I'll ask - what facts?
  
 
  You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
  matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
  propaganda machine.
 
  I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
  propaganda and lies, is you.
  Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
  offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
  repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
  needed,
 
 
  
   You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
   with
   the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
  
 
  So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
  No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
 
 
 
  
   Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be
   going
   real well...
  
  
 
  The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
  great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
  countries.
 
  You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
  helping.
  Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
  ties Israel had with them are drug related).
 
  Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
  zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
  come true :)
  As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
  guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
 
 
  It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
  more then any other country
  I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
  Now that you do - who is 'us'?
 
   and you support them 100%.
  Yes I do.
 
   You're a terrorist
  http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
 
  and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
  But Obama is closing it down..,
 
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-19 Thread j-f sentier

 Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
 department.
  What a nice reference 

 Do you dispute it?

Yes i do, a problem with that ?




 I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
 governement.
 Hamas resist against your invasion.

 How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
 _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

 Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
understand why.
You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent weapons
Btw did you forgot Sabra  shatilla ? just in case :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
bedside book.

 If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it
 much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.

They did remember now ?




 Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
 govornment,

Oh you guys are so nice.. shall they say thanks ?


 they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
 return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
 bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
 possible.


Yep that's war remember ?



 Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_
 wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_
 - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields -
 http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5

Bull-shit


 the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in
 the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.


Lots of people hate USA, but i guess they're terrorists then .
So  many european country = terrorists.
See i'm kind i save you some words :)



 No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
 phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
 during war.

Do you guys want a nobel price or something ?



 Now quoting party is over, let's also talk about fact:
Israel are illegal since 1948.
They have stolen lots of land in jordany, egypt, palestine, liban while
playing at war with them neighbors.
Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel,
which is totally understandable,  but US and British got the last word.
Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly, they shouldn't have that one.
Also about the elected people by god stuff, i forgot to said that  the man
who wrote the torah was jew ;)
The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around
the world,  most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them, they play the holocaust card.
If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
happens, but if you do the same on a synagogue,  all the politics will be
condaming the authors of this attak, kind of frustrating eh ?

You have to understand something Avraham, a lots of people (not muslims)
hate zionist, there's a reason for this, you've asked for it.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what
they've done in central ameriqua for exemple, or for playing the world
policeman game, and yes if 15 clown armed like gardeners can blow 2 towers
in US soil, this will make happy some people around the world, religious
related or not.
Also stop calling everyone terrorists, dont you remember, talibans was good
terrorists when they was fighting agains communists, now that they fight
against US, they are bad terrorists.
stifles yourself with your propaganda.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
 department.
  What a nice reference 

 Do you dispute it?

 Yes i do, a problem with that ?

Yes, you have a problem.







 I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
 governement.
 Hamas resist against your invasion.

 How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
 _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

 Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
 understand why.
 You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent weapons
 Btw did you forgot Sabra  shatilla ? just in case :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
 Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
 bedside book.

I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like a
broken record?
Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.


 If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it
 much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.

 They did remember now ?

No, I was referring to Israel being able to wipe Gaza with 0 casualties on
the Israeli side, and in less than 10 minutes. Israel did not do that.






 Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
 govornment,

 Oh you guys are so nice.. shall they say thanks ?

Yes.




 they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
 return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
 bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
 possible.


 Yep that's war remember ?

So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
but Israel attempting to kill those terrorists _without_  harming
_civilians_ on the Palestinian side (a mission impossible task) is wrong?





 Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any
 _civilians_ wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and
 _civilians die_ - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as
 human shields - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5

 Bull-shit

You had that for lunch?





 the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in
 the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.


 Lots of people hate USA, but i guess they're terrorists then .
 So  many european country = terrorists.
 See i'm kind i save you some words :)

No, you can hate as many people as you want - as long as you don't put your
hate into action - i.e. blow yourself up in a bus, etc... You are not a
terrorist (just a sick person).





 No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
 phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
 during war.

 Do you guys want a nobel price or something ?

Both.




 Now quoting party is over, let's also talk about fact:
 Israel are illegal since 1948.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre



 They have stolen lots of land in jordany, egypt,

I guess they should have not opened war on Israel...


 palestine

There was no such country - there were no Palestinians back then. It's a new
invention.


 , liban

You mean Lebanon?


 while playing at war with them neighbors.

Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.


 Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel

But the UN disagreed.


 , which is totally understandable

It was not up to them.


 ,  but US and British got the last word.

No, Israel did.



 Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

Prove that.


 , they shouldn't have that one.

Why? Are you scared?



 Also about the elected people by god stuff, i forgot to said that  the man
 who wrote the torah was jew ;)

Yes, Mosses was a Jew.


 The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around
 the world,

 most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
 Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
 because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.


 they play the holocaust card.

 I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the Nazis.


 If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
 happens

When did that happen?


 , but if you do the same on a synagogue,  all the politics will be
 condaming the authors of this attak, kind of frustrating eh ?

No. You are.




 You have to understand something Avraham

I don't.


 , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this

Yes - evil exists.


 , you've asked for it.

No - it's just a fact of life.




 As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what
 they've done in central ameriqua for exemple

Use a spell checker or something...


 , or for playing the world

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-19 Thread j-f sentier

Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
department.

What a nice reference

Do you dispute it?

Yes i do, a problem with that ?

Yes, you have a problem.

So because i dont agree i have a problem ?
Go fuck yourself

I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
governement.
Hamas resist against your invasion.

How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
_civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
understand why.
You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent
weapons
Btw did you forgot Sabra shatilla ? just in case :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
bedside book.

I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like
a broken record?
Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.

First of all lebanon are not my brothers, i'm not an arabian or muslim.
I'm an european atheist.
Go fuck yourself (2)

they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
possible.

Yep that's war remember ?

So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,

Yes it's war, RTFM

while playing at war with them neighbors.

Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
would too.

Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted the creation of the state of israel

But the UN disagreed.

Yeah, and who has the last word at UN ?

, which is totally understandable

It was not up to them.

Well they are the first concerned.

, but US and British got the last word.

No, Israel did.

Via the british and US support.

Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

Prove that.

It's allready proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html

The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
around the world,

most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.

they play the holocaust card.

I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
Nazis.

First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
bring up holocaust:
- http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a mosque, nothing
happens

When did that happen?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=cocktail+molotov+mosque

You have to understand something Avraham

I don't.

I know.

, a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this

Yes - evil exists.

So the one who doesn't like you guys, are evil
This is once again propaganda.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what
they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
Use a spell checker or something...

Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?

, dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting
agains communists, now that they fight against US, they are bad
terrorists.

You agree that they are terrorists then?

I agree on the fact that you're pathetic.

stifles yourself with your propaganda.

Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec mailing
list.

It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once again
go fuck yourself.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:38 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US
state department.

What a nice reference

Do you dispute it?

Yes i do, a problem with that ?

Yes, you have a problem.

So because i dont agree i have a problem ?
Go fuck yourself

I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
governement.
Hamas resist against your invasion.

How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
_civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like
a broken record?
Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.

First of all lebanon are not my brothers, i'm not an arabian or muslim.
I'm an european atheist.
Go fuck yourself (2)

Yep that's war remember ?

So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,

Yes it's war, RTFM

No, it's terrorism, RTFM

while playing at war with them neighbors.

Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
would too.

What? Be a loser?

Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted the creation of the state of
israel

But the UN disagreed.

Yeah, and who has the last word at UN ?

The UN?

, which is totally understandable

It was not up to them.

Well they are the first concerned.

Concerned about what?

, but US and British got the last word.

No, Israel did.

Via the british and US support.

The Arabs had Russia's support - regardless - they lost - game over.

Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

Prove that.

It's allready proven.

No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

You really need to start discerning facts from opinion, you should ask your
school teacher for help if you have trouble with that (You're already in 3rd
grade right?)

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html

The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
around the world,

most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.

Read above.

they play the holocaust card.

I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
Nazis.

First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
bring up holocaust:
- http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
have chosen to make this claim.

But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
made under the other handle you were using.

http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a mosque, nothing
happens

When did that happen?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=cocktail+molotov+mosque

OK - whoever did that was stupid, and would be classified as a terrorist.
I have no idea who did it, and I have no association with him whatsoever.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=cocktail+molotov+mosque

You have to understand something Avraham

I don't.

I know.

Great.

, a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this

Yes - evil exists.

So the one who doesn't like you guys, are evil

Yes.

This is once again propaganda.

True.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
Use a spell checker or something...

Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?

Yes, but completely irrelevant.

, dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting
agains communists, now that they fight against US,

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-19 Thread j-f sentier

while playing at war with them neighbors.

Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
would too.

What? Be a loser?

I would start a war too. understand now ?

, which is totally understandable

It was not up to them.

Well they are the first concerned.

Concerned about what?

Arabians are the first concerned about having a new hostil neighbor

israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

Prove that.

It's allready proven.

No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

You really need to start discerning facts from opinion

They have the bomb and everyone know that.
So yes it's a FACT
Not an opinion, there's proof , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said
no, which confirm that they have it.
Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.

The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
around the world,

most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.

Read above.

Still a FACT .

they play the holocaust card.

I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
Nazis.

First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
bring up holocaust:
- http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
have chosen to make this claim.

But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
made under the other handle you were using.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
Use a spell checker or something...

Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?

Yes, but completely irrelevant.

Nop it's pertinant.

, dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting
agains communists, now that they fight against US, they are bad
terrorists.

You agree that they are terrorists then?

I agree on the fact that you're pathetic.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

just reading your posts

stifles yourself with your propaganda.

Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
mailing list.

It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
again go fuck yourself.

I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator
- you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well
as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap.

Well if you cant understand the phrase :

stifles yourself with your propaganda.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle

v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr.
1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.-- this
is the one (suffocate) :)
See you should open up your translator sometimes
btw what's that fixation thing with soap ?
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

while playing at war with them neighbors.

Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you,
i would too.

What? Be a loser?

I would start a war too. understand now ?

You could have just answered yes to my question.

, which is totally understandable

It was not up to them.

Well they are the first concerned.

Concerned about what?

Arabians are the first concerned about having a new hostil neighbor

Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
all odds.

israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

Prove that.

It's allready proven.

No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

You really need to start discerning facts from opinion

They have the bomb and everyone know that.

There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to),
knows for certain.

So yes it's a FACT

Recheck the definition in the dictionary.

Not an opinion, there's proof

Show it.

, and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they
have it.

Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
buddies?

Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.

The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
around the world,

most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.

Read above.

Still a FACT .

Read above.

they play the holocaust card.

I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
Nazis.

First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
did bring up holocaust:
- http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
have chosen to make this claim.

But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
made under the other handle you were using.

I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and
opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded
individual.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
Use a spell checker or something...

Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?

Yes, but completely irrelevant.

Nop it's pertinant.

Read above.

, dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was
fighting agains communists, now that they fight against US, they are bad
terrorists.

You agree that they are terrorists then?

I agree on the fact that you're pathetic.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

just reading your posts

Great. Had enough?

stifles yourself with your propaganda.

Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
mailing list.

It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
again go fuck yourself.

I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator
- you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well
as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap.

Well if you cant understand the phrase :

stifles yourself with your propaganda.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle

You are a retard - go check your grammar.

btw what's that fixation thing with soap ?

No fixation, just after all the BS you have been typing you fingers are
probably full of cow manure.
You think that cursing on an Internet forum does you any good and/or help
your credibility?
You are probably also

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread James Matthews

Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 s/neiboring/neighboring/g


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider 
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven
 by that .

 There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
 the surrounding arab countries?
 Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time
 - even if he was a minister, or a president.
 This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
 neiboring arab countries should adopt.




 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

 I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
 you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
 health...






  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
 die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
 you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
 being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work
asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this
thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different
subject.

We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.comwrote:

 Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider 
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 s/neiboring/neighboring/g


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider 
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven
 by that .

 There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any
 of the surrounding arab countries?
 Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time
 - even if he was a minister, or a president.
 This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
 neiboring arab countries should adopt.




 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

 I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
 you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
 health...






  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
 die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
 you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
 being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread andrew . wallace

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?

I wonder how many people are going to cut ties with Gadi Evron after this.
Funsec hasn't had a new post in several days...
Last message date: Thu Jan 15 10:07:15 CST 2009
http://www.linuxbox.org/pipermail/funsec/2009-January/thread.html

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Mainbox Notif

I wish life had a roll-back function.
Then I went back to 1939.

The israeli create an environment, or a climate, for hate.
I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one.

At the moment we have as much jews as befóre WO 2.
It all have to start again.

Yes , I know,  that are very crude words.
But people like Schneider ask for this hate.

Schneider, I do not wish you dead.
I wish that some 'terrorist' take your home, your country, your everything.
Then they let you suffering until you are dead.

Your replies ask for this.

I think I just became an antisemitist.
Schnieder, thanks for that (not) !!

And again: stop annoying me private!

Schneider, do you want some gas?


2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

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 asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this
 thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different
 subject.

 We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so.

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews nytrok...@gmail.comwrote:

 Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider 
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 s/neiboring/neighboring/g


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider 
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted
 ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven
 by that .

 There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any
 of the surrounding arab countries?
 Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his
 time - even if he was a minister, or a president.
 This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
 neiboring arab countries should adopt.




 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

 I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with
 that, you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for
 your health...






  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
 die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
 you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
 being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier 
 j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Georgi Guninski

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
  You're doctrinated, man!
 
 You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.


lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...

btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ?


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
and none have contested it.

It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
would be shooting itself in the foot.

In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.comwrote:

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
   You're doctrinated, man!
  
  You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
 

 lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...

 btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ?



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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.comwrote:

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
   You're doctrinated, man!
  
  You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
 

 lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...

 btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ?

nope. I am not hiding behind any ID - it's my real name.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
You're a propoganda shill.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
 terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
 and none have contested it.

 It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
 the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
 would be shooting itself in the foot.

 In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
 not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Prototype This

HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a
little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their
daddy did .
Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole
universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:
 The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
 terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
 and none have contested it.

 It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
 the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
 would be shooting itself in the foot.

 In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
 not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
   You're doctrinated, man!
  
  You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
 

 lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...

 btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ?




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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

yes, and Santa Claus really exists.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Prototype This termin...@gmail.comwrote:

 HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a
 little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their
 daddy did .
 Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole
 universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco.

 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:
  The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
  terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
 footage
  and none have contested it.
 
  It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
 considering
  the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
  would be shooting itself in the foot.
 
  In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
 or
  not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski gunin...@guninski.com
  wrote:
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
You're doctrinated, man!
   
   You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
  
 
  lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
 
  btw, are you the new id of n3td3v ?
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit
your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
 You're a propoganda shill.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
  terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
 footage
  and none have contested it.
 
  It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
 considering
  the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
  would be shooting itself in the foot.
 
  In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
 or
  not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
 

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread them . root

Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing 
politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about 
compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here 
it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments.

Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You guys 
aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of 
time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.

Grow up.
 
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-Original Message-
From: ghost gho...@gmail.com

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 
To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine


The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
You're a propoganda shill.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
 terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
 and none have contested it.

 It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
 the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
 would be shooting itself in the foot.

 In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
 not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Prototype This

Yes we think IDF need to produce fake footage . and it you and your
country that need to visit Hitler s Oven again not a doctor. It good
all the zionist are joining in once place. So the next Hitler burn all
at once and for good.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:
 If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit
 your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications.



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
 You're a propoganda shill.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
  terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
  footage
  and none have contested it.
 
  It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
  considering
  the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
  would be shooting itself in the foot.
 
  In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
  or
  not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
 

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic
out - especially since you use gmail...

It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it
so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.

I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going
on here.

I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to
continue being unhappy.

Cheers.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing
 politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about
 compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from
 here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
 arguments.

 Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You guys
 aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste
 of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.

 Grow up.

 Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

 -Original Message-
 From: ghost gho...@gmail.com

 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
 Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine


 The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
 You're a propoganda shill.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
  terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
 footage
  and none have contested it.
 
  It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
 considering
  the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
  would be shooting itself in the foot.
 
  In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
 or
  not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
 

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
unstable.

Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
 that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic
 out - especially since you use gmail...

 It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it
 so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.

 I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
 reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going
 on here.

 I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
 advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to
 continue being unhappy.

 Cheers.

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing
 politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about
 compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from
 here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
 arguments.

 Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
 guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a
 waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.

 Grow up.

 Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

 -Original Message-
 From: ghost gho...@gmail.com

 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
 To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
 Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine


 The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
 You're a propoganda shill.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
  terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
  footage
  and none have contested it.
 
  It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
  considering
  the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
  would be shooting itself in the foot.
 
  In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
  or
  not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
 

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
jurnalist that says:
I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
arguments around the world.
*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk

Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
Palestinians - really credible...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm

 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

 Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
 israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
 propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
 SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

 Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
 are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
 unstable.

 Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
  that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
 topic
  out - especially since you use gmail...
 
  It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
 it
  so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
 
  I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
  reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
 going
  on here.
 
  I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
  advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
 to
  continue being unhappy.
 
  Cheers.
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
 discussing
  politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
 about
  compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
 from
  here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
  arguments.
 
  Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
  guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
 a
  waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
 
  Grow up.
 
  Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
 
  -Original Message-
  From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
 
  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
  To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
 
 
  The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
  You're a propoganda shill.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
 showing
   terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
   footage
   and none have contested it.
  
   It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
   considering
   the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
 it
   would be shooting itself in the foot.
  
   In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
 fake
   or
   not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
  
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

Here you go -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
http://tinyurl.com/lu4et*

*
Have fun reading facts...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider 
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
 jurnalist that says:
 I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
 factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
 arguments around the world. 
 *paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk

 Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
 Palestinians - really credible...



 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm

 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

 Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
 israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
 propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
 SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

 Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
 are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
 unstable.

 Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
 cared
  that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
 topic
  out - especially since you use gmail...
 
  It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
 it
  so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
 
  I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
  reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
 going
  on here.
 
  I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
  advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
 to
  continue being unhappy.
 
  Cheers.
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
 discussing
  politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
 about
  compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
 from
  here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
  arguments.
 
  Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
  guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
 a
  waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
 
  Grow up.
 
  Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
 
  -Original Message-
  From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
 
  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
  To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
 
 
  The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
  You're a propoganda shill.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
 showing
   terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
   footage
   and none have contested it.
  
   It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
   considering
   the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
 it
   would be shooting itself in the foot.
  
   In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
 fake
   or
   not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
  
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle
he claims its all made up.

You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work
for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either...
right?

Pathetic.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
 jurnalist that says:
 I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
 factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
 arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk 

 Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
 Palestinians - really credible...


 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm

 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

 Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
 israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
 propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
 SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

 Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
 are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
 unstable.

 Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
  cared
  that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
  topic
  out - especially since you use gmail...
 
  It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
  it
  so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
 
  I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
  reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
  going
  on here.
 
  I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
  advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
  to
  continue being unhappy.
 
  Cheers.
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
  discussing
  politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
  about
  compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
  from
  here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
  arguments.
 
  Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
  guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
  a
  waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
 
  Grow up.
 
  Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
 
  -Original Message-
  From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
 
  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
  To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
 
 
  The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
  You're a propoganda shill.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
   showing
   terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
   footage
   and none have contested it.
  
   It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
   considering
   the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
   it
   would be shooting itself in the foot.
  
   In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
   fake
   or
   not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
  
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

lmao! OH I GET IT!

See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it.

BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW

then everything you say is a complete lie and made up.

You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here you go -
 http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et


 Have fun reading facts...


 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
 jurnalist that says:
 I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
 factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
 arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk 

 Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
 Palestinians - really credible...


 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm

 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

 Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
 israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
 propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
 SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

 Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
 are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
 unstable.

 Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
  cared
  that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
  topic
  out - especially since you use gmail...
 
  It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
  following it
  so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
 
  I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
  reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
  going
  on here.
 
  I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
  advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
  have to
  continue being unhappy.
 
  Cheers.
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
  discussing
  politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
  about
  compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
  from
  here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
  arguments.
 
  Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
  guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
  is a
  waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
 
  Grow up.
 
  Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
 
  -Original Message-
  From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
 
  Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
  To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
  Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
 
 
  The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
  You're a propoganda shill.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
   showing
   terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
   footage
   and none have contested it.
  
   It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
   considering
   the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
   it
   would be shooting itself in the foot.
  
   In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
   fake
   or
   not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
  
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread j-f sentier

I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one.

there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews !=
sionist

and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free
propaganda like Avraham does

Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact :
Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that
one,
but i see you comming no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around
the border and kill innocent israelis
Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called
terrorist.
Also for your information, the true meaning of the word terrorist is very
close to mercenary.
A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you
protest with weapons agains palestinian ?

See propaganda starts right here :)




2009/1/18 ghost gho...@gmail.com

 lmao! OH I GET IT!

 See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it.

 BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW

 then everything you say is a complete lie and made up.

 You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel.


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  Here you go -
  http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
  http://tinyurl.com/lu4et
 
 
  Have fun reading facts...
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
 British
  jurnalist that says:
  I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the
 new
  factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
 its
  arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk 
 
  Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
  Palestinians - really credible...
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
 
 
 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
 
  Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
  israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
  propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
  SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
 
  Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
  are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
  unstable.
 
  Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
   cared
   that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
   topic
   out - especially since you use gmail...
  
   It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
   following it
   so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
  
   I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally
 different
   reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda
 campain
   going
   on here.
  
   I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the
 filtering
   advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
   have to
   continue being unhappy.
  
   Cheers.
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
   discussing
   politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
   about
   compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is-
 right,
   from
   here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
   arguments.
  
   Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
  You
   guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
   is a
   waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
  
   Grow up.
  
   Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
  
   -Original Message-
   From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
  
   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
   To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
   Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
  
  
   The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
   You're a propoganda shill.
  
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
   avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected
 the
footage
and none have contested it.
   
It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
 as
it
would be shooting itself in the foot.
   
In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage
 was
fake
or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

   To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
   Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

   The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
   You're a propoganda shill.

   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
   avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected
 the
footage
and none have contested it.

It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
 as
it
would be shooting itself in the foot.

In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage
 was
fake
or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle
 he claims its all made up.

What facts?




 You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work
 for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either...
 right?

Yes, it's all just 1 big conspiracy...




 Pathetic.

Agree.




 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
 British
  jurnalist that says:
  I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
  factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
 its
  arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk 
 
  Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
  Palestinians - really credible...
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
 
 
 http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
 
  Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
  israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
  propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
  SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
 
  Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
  are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
  unstable.
 
  Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
   cared
   that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
   topic
   out - especially since you use gmail...
  
   It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
 following
   it
   so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
  
   I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
   reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
   going
   on here.
  
   I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
   advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
 have
   to
   continue being unhappy.
  
   Cheers.
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
   discussing
   politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
   about
   compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
   from
   here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
   arguments.
  
   Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
  You
   guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
 is
   a
   waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
  
   Grow up.
  
   Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
  
   -Original Message-
   From: ghost gho...@gmail.com
  
   Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
   To: Full Disclosurefull-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
   Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
  
  
   The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
   You're a propoganda shill.
  
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
   avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
footage
and none have contested it.
   
It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
 as
it
would be shooting itself in the foot.
   
In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
fake
or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
   
  
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread j-f sentier

How come you never sleep ?
There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ?

Anyways :

Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
department.
What a nice reference 
I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
Hamas resist against your invasion.
Thanks for the 'information'.
I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...
I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by
govs, before 9/11/2001.

I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists

Oh let me guess:

see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian
see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with old
school rockets = bad Palestinian

Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight
back.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Rants nRaves

@lists.grok.org.uk
   Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
  
  
   The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
   You're a propoganda shill.
  
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
   avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected
 the
footage
and none have contested it.
   
It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
 as
it
would be shooting itself in the foot.
   
In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage
 was
fake
or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
   
  
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:


 What facts?



Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical
zionist scum.

You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill.

I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:42 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  What facts?
 


 Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical
 zionist scum.

Again I'll ask - what facts?




 You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill.

You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with
the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...




 I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all.

Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
real well...
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 How come you never sleep ?

I just woke up.



 There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ?

I think the one who is using a propaganda nickname is you 'j-f sentier' - My
real name is Avraham Schneider - you can find my profile on Linked In, and I
don't hide by a propaganda nickname, something so prevalent here lately...

Anyways :

 Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
 department.
 What a nice reference 

Do you dispute it?


 I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
 Hamas resist against your invasion.

How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
_civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

How do they resist? by hiding behind their own _civilians_? Then claiming
victory when Israel pulls out after killing hundreds of them?

Thanks for the 'information'.
 I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...
 I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by
 govs, before 9/11/2001.

It is clear you don't.



 I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists

 Oh let me guess:

 see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian
 see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with
 old school rockets = bad Palestinian

If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it much
cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.

Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
govornment, they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver
plate, in return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent
terrorist suicide bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli
_civilians_ as possible.

Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_
wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_
- especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5

Hamas on the other hand, _target civilians_ - Palestinians are _happy_ when
Israeli civilians die, the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000
innocent civilians dies in the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.

Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight
 back.

We don't fire at them - we don't target civilians, we target the militant
terrorist organizations that hide among the supporting Palestinian
population.
Any civilian who stores weapons in his house should not complain that his
house is bombed.
any civilian who has a smuggling tunnel underground, should not complain
that his house is bombed.

No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
during war.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 Again I'll ask - what facts?


You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
propaganda machine.


 You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with
 the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...


So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?



 Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
 real well...



The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
countries.

Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
come true :)


It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
more then any other country and you support them 100%. You're a
terrorist and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  Again I'll ask - what facts?
 

 You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
 matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
 propaganda machine.

I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
propaganda and lies, is you.
Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
needed,



 You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
with
 the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...


So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd




 Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
 real well...



The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
countries.

You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping.
Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
Israel had with them are drug related).

Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
come true :)
As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess
you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
more then any other country
I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
Now that you do - who is 'us'?

 and you support them 100%.
Yes I do.

 You're a terrorist
http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
But Obama is closing it down..,
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-18 Thread Peter Bruderer


We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.

None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your  
intolerant attitude.


So please shut up and get back to computer security.



Peter Bruderer




On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:




On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 Again I'll ask - what facts?


You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
propaganda machine.
I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading  
propaganda and lies, is you.
Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading  
your offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list  
- I will repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts,  
as many times needed,




 You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary,  
along with

 the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...


So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd




 Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to  
be going

 real well...



The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with  
other

countries.

You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be  
helping.
Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the  
only ties Israel had with them are drug related).


Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
come true :)
As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so  
I guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...



It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
more then any other country
I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
Now that you do - who is 'us'?

 and you support them 100%.
Yes I do.

 You're a terrorist
http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
But Obama is closing it down..,


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On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:



 I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
 propaganda and lies, is you.
 Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
 offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
 repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
 needed,



If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic
way to live and I feel sorry for you.

oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're
basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't
fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life.


 So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
 No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd


Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it.


 You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping.
 Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
 Israel had with them are drug related).


zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised,  patheticx2.


 As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess
 you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


as far as we see

Shill, proof.

patheticx3.



 I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
 Now that you do - who is 'us'?


See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then
the rest of the world. Us is the USA. The country that you've lived in
your entire life too scared to fight along your scum brothers in
israel.

 and you support them 100%.
 Yes I do.


Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians in the name of
your scum brothers. Hm... pathetic.

 You're a terrorist
 http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
 But Obama is closing it down..,

Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers.
That will solve 90% of our problems.

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2009-01-17 Thread Handrix

Yes, as you say Mainbox.

Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.


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 Goodmorning everybody!
 I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
 And it is a beautifull day!
 A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!



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2009-01-17 Thread Prototype This

It a pity that Hitler didn't got the novel prize of peace. Zionist
always are searching for problems from the time of prophets till
nowadays. Hitler , Franco , Stalin , and now hamas all knew that
without Zionist no war could happen.

2009/1/17 Handrix hand...@gmail.com:
 Yes, as you say Mainbox.

 Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
 after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.


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 Goodmorning everybody!
 I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
 And it is a beautifull day!
 A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!



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more than 60% of them armed terrorists hiding in a dense civilian area -
some of them dressed up as doctors and shooting from UN and red-cross
buildings.

I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Handrix hand...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, as you say Mainbox.

 Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
 after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.


 On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.comwrote:

 Goodmorning everybody!
 I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
 And it is a beautifull day!
 A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!



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I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.


Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
I guess the terrorists was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
terrorist too ?
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.


 Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
 I guess the terrorists was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
 terrorist too ?

The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN building,
expecting Israel not to fire back.
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Yeah sure from the UN building.
What was the excuse this time ?
The palestinian janitor working in the building was hidding some weapon
under his rag or what ?

it's an UN building not a market place.

Wake up dude you got brainwashed by tsahal once again

2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.


 Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
 I guess the terrorists was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
 terrorist too ?

 The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN building,
 expecting Israel not to fire back.


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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace 
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

 Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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 the UN building.
 What was the excuse this time ?

Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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you don't seem to care for Hamas being charged for war crimes, do you? I
guess firing rockets for 8 years at civilian targets (actively trying to
kill civilians) does not count as a war crime for you.

What do you consider as war crimes? Protecting your own civilians from
terrorists hiding behind civilians and killing civilians by mistake?


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andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:01 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
  the UN building.
  What was the excuse this time ?

 Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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I've heard analysts say the ceasefire was always planned for tonight
ahead of Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

 Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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considering this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI

I find the IDF much more credible than the UN.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah sure from the UN building.
 What was the excuse this time ?
 The palestinian janitor working in the building was hidding some weapon
 under his rag or what ?

 it's an UN building not a market place.

 Wake up dude you got brainwashed by tsahal once again

 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.


 Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
 I guess the terrorists was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
 terrorist too ?

 The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN
 building, expecting Israel not to fire back.




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Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
Israel - I find it hard to believe Israel will pull out of Gaza any time
soon...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM, andrew. wallace 
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 I've heard analysts say the ceasefire was always planned for tonight
 ahead of Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace
  andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good
 work.
 
  Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
  0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
shield. Israel did.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 What do you consider as war crimes?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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Show me 1 country that would act differently.

The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war from
a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building or
not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
being killed.

It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.

If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
would not use them as human shields.

If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they see
civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
weapons stored at the building).



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace 
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
 shield. Israel did.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  What do you consider as war crimes?
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
  andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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2009-01-17 Thread Prototype This

2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:
 Show me 1 country that would act differently.

 The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
 building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war from
 a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building or
 not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
 and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
 being killed.
They cannot leave in normal time , so how could they leave in war time
?? Israel did a holocaust and i pray the next missile hamas fire it
will land on you and let you disabled for the rest of your life. you
are stupid brainwashed person.

 It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.

 If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
 would not use them as human shields.

 If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
 terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
 rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they see
 civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
 weapons stored at the building).

Israel is the terrorist state , since the beginning it had no 1 year
of peace. So dont tell me all the others are bad. It Israel who is a
pest to this world

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
 shield. Israel did.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  What do you consider as war crimes?
 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
  andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.


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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's have.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
 and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
Israel

Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.

Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.

Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
wasn't pro war/revenge.
So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
?
not much eh ?
Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
segfaulted :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
This remind you something ?

Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
legit to killed anyone ?
And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?






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 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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2009-01-17 Thread Mainbox Notif

2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:


  Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
  and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
  being killed.


Do you really believe that civilians go to an area they being warned that
the israeli going to attack?
Should you do that?
Saying to your children: Oh, it's almost 8 PM, we have to go to the
mainstreet: look at the fireworks from the israeli soldiers. 
You believe that? Stupid asshole


 If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
  would not use them as human shields


Yep, thats right! They don't do that. Thats israeli news. Not independent.
You're doctrinated, man!


   If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
  terrorist organization, for government


No, they HAVE to elect Hamas. Thats the only way to do something against the
occupiers: fight back!


  and they would not climb to
  rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
 see
  civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
  weapons stored at the building).


Yes, they would not. And they do not! Read independent papers, or watch
independent news. Not the israeli propaganda. You should known better!

It's not possible to discuss with indoctrinated people.
But I will do my best.
But in the list, mr Schneider, stop annoying me private!







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2009-01-17 Thread Mainbox Notif

See the Red Cross Website about the civilians:
http://www.icrc.org/eng
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This makes no sens at all, i'm sure he's payed to push some propaganda on FD

2009/1/17 Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.com

 This is an automatic respons.

 I'm not interested anymore in this discussion. That's the reason I
 filtered this messages in my mailprogram.

 I'm not interested because it is not possible to convince indoctrinated
 people.

 The israeli can not understand how it feels when others take your
 home, your house and your country.
 If your enemy is stronger, and their army is more powerfull and
 advanced, you can become desperate.
 So deperate that you commit suicide and take some jews with you. Thats
 the only thing left.

 I fully understand the Palestinian. And I will support them as long as I
 can.

 I 'm always there for a good discussion. But convincing indoctrinated
 people is not possible. As long as they mingle facts with believe it
 is not possible to discuss with them.
 The problem with indoctrination is that the indoctrinated people don't
 know that they are indoctrinated.

 Read the papers, see the news. From independent sources (i.e. not
 palestinian nor israeli) and think again.

 Let it be clear: I do not hate jews. I hate israeli.
 You know what 'hate' means: wishing them dead. Or: in my case: wishing
 them suffering, and then dead.
 That frustrates me, so I decided to block the discussion about the
 israeli occupation.

 Apologize for my english.

 [sarcastic]There are so many jews now, that we are at the same level
 befóre the Second World War.

 Regards,
 Tom

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-17 Thread Paul Schmehl

--On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 andrew.wallace 
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:


 If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
 shield. Israel did.

Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being 
fired upon.

Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog 
them all.

Now please take this scrum off list.

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Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now

Please wake up dude.


2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com

 --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 andrew.wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 
  If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
  shield. Israel did.

 Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
 fired upon.

 Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
 them all.

 Now please take this scrum off list.

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Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now

Please wake up dude.


2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com

 --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 andrew.wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 
  If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
  shield. Israel did.

 Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
 fired upon.

 Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
 them all.

 Now please take this scrum off list.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

2009-01-17 Thread ghost

yes, let me make a point favoring my political views then say take it
off the list... that's smart!

israel deserves to be wiped off the map, and America should be first
in line to do it. We do nothing but support israel and look where it
has landed us. Not only has it landed us at war with israeli's enemies
but it also has landed us as having to guard our intelligence from
israel because the scum spy on us more than any other country. If you
support the zionist scum then you deserve what they deserve.

Long Live Palestine.

...now take this discussion off list.

lol


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 Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
 fired upon.

 Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
 them all.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Prototype This termin...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:
  Show me 1 country that would act differently.
 
  The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
  building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war
 from
  a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
 or
  not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
 
  Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
  and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
  being killed.
 They cannot leave in normal time , so how could they leave in war time

Why don't they leave to Egypt or any other Arab country for that matter...?
Regardless, they can and should leave the area that is being bombed, and
flee to a different area that is not (yet) being bombed.
That's the smart thing to do...


 ?? Israel did a holocaust and i pray the next missile hamas fire it
 will land on you and let you disabled for the rest of your life. you
 are stupid brainwashed person.

You are not helping your credibility with these sort of statements.




  It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.
 
  If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
  would not use them as human shields.

  If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
  terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
  rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
 see
  civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
  weapons stored at the building).

 Israel is the terrorist state , since the beginning it had no 1 year
 of peace. So dont tell me all the others are bad. It Israel who is a
 pest to this world

Why do make empty statements and place them as a reply to facts I have
stated  - do you contest what I have written just above your response?

How does the fact that Israel want peace since before it's establishment and
the Arabs chose war every time they thought they could win (and lost) - make
Israel a terrorist state?
I think you should look up the word 'terror' in the dictionary - read up
other words while you are at it, your English needs improvement in general.


 
  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace
  andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
  If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
  shield. Israel did.
 
  On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
  avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
   What do you consider as war crimes?
  
   On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
   andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:
   Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
 
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
there.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

 You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
 Israel

 Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.

 Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
 phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
 school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.

The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.

No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.

Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
 wasn't pro war/revenge.

They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
think that would be a good start.


 So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
 ?
 not much eh ?

If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.


 Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.

Look up the definition in the dictionary.



 And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
 killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
 segfaulted :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
 This remind you something ?

How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
Besides - it was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Lebanese
Forces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces militia group - i.e.
-not by Israel-.

You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at them
- so your whole argument is pointless.



 Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
 legit to killed anyone ?

It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
on.

And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
justifies killing those that fire at you.


 And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?

They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
the IDF will fire back at them.









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 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

You're fake dude.

You're defending blindly what's not defendable, and you're not dumb enought
for that, so you're paid by someone.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
 Israel

 Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.

 Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
 phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
 school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.

 The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
 civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
 Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
 enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.

 No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
 warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
 it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
 homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.

 Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
 wasn't pro war/revenge.

 They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
 think that would be a good start.


 So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
 ?
 not much eh ?

 If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.


 Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.

 Look up the definition in the dictionary.



 And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
 killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
 segfaulted :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
 This remind you something ?

 How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
 Besides - it was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Lebanese
 Forces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces militia group -
 i.e. -not by Israel-.

 You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at them
 - so your whole argument is pointless.



 Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
 legit to killed anyone ?

 It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
 cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
 on.

 And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
 justifies killing those that fire at you.


 And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?

 They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
 the IDF will fire back at them.









 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.com wrote:



 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com:


  Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
  and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
  being killed.


 Do you really believe that civilians go to an area they being warned that
 the israeli going to attack?
 Should you do that?
 Saying to your children: Oh, it's almost 8 PM, we have to go to the
 mainstreet: look at the fireworks from the israeli soldiers. 
 You believe that? Stupid asshole

You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.





  If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
  would not use them as human shields


 Yep, thats right! They don't do that. Thats israeli news. Not independent.
 You're doctrinated, man!

You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.




   If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
  terrorist organization, for government


 No, they HAVE to elect Hamas. Thats the only way to do something against
 the occupiers: fight back!

Hamas was designated as a terrorist organization for a reason.
Fight back? Israel has left Gaza 8 years ago, what reason do they have to
'fight back'?
And how, by firing at civilian targets?





  and they would not climb to
  rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
 see
  civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save
 the
  weapons stored at the building).


 Yes, they would not. And they do not! Read independent papers, or watch
 independent news. Not the israeli propaganda. You should known better!

You can find videos on youtube.




 It's not possible to discuss with indoctrinated people.
 But I will do my best.

Why on a computer security mailing list?


 But in the list, mr Schneider, stop annoying me private!

When you send me private e-mails, I reply in private.











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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyC-z0b6L5Y


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:21 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
 Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
 We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
 palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now

 Please wake up dude.


 2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com

 --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 andrew.wallace
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 
  If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
  shield. Israel did.

 Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
 fired upon.

 Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
 them all.

 Now please take this scrum off list.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or
you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer
Security Mailing List?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.

 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
 have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:36 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 You're fake dude.

 You're defending blindly what's not defendable, and you're not dumb enought
 for that, so you're paid by someone.

If blindly is defined giving you clear facts - and not defendable is defined
as self defense...

Regarding the being paid statement, it is something that would be very
difficult for me to disprove, and since it has nothing to do with the facts
- I won't bother. Besides, if anyone wants to send me money for this - I
will take it gladly, I accept paypal/cash/money order, you name it... :-)

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
 Israel

 Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.

 Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
 phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
 school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.

 The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
 civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
 Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
 enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.

 No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
 warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
 it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
 homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.

 Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
 wasn't pro war/revenge.

 They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
 think that would be a good start.


 So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to
 you ?
 not much eh ?

 If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.


 Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.

 Look up the definition in the dictionary.



 And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
 killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
 segfaulted :
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
 This remind you something ?

 How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
 Besides - it was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the 
 Lebanese
 Forces http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces militia group -
 i.e. -not by Israel-.

 You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at
 them - so your whole argument is pointless.



 Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
 legit to killed anyone ?

 It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
 cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
 on.

 And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
 justifies killing those that fire at you.


 And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?

 They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
 the IDF will fire back at them.









 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
you dont answer on any real questions, you say always the same stuff, aka
yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die, but
know what , not talking about war anymore here, just  your polititian.
Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
end up his mandate with corruption charges.
and what you still  promoting them ?

Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?





2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or
 you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer
 Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die

When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
 end up his mandate with corruption charges.

You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
 or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by
that .
Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
No I don't.

i understand that :)

Die slowly with lots of pain.



2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
 end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
 or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by
 that .

There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
the surrounding arab countries?
Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
even if he was a minister, or a president.
This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
neiboring arab countries should adopt.




 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
health...






 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
 or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

s/neiboring/neighboring/g

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your country is driven by
 that .

 There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
 the surrounding arab countries?
 Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
 even if he was a minister, or a president.
 This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
 neiboring arab countries should adopt.




 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

 I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
 you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
 health...






 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


 , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
 die

 When did I say that?


 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.



 and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.



 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

 No I don't.







 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com

 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
 you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being 
 a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote:

  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com



 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace 
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.




 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote:
  and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 7:08 AM,  emm_a...@hushmail.com wrote:
 We expect noise from n3td3v, and despite his ph33rsome skills he is
 no match for a well written procmail rule.


I don't have any skills, it was Robert Lemos and Neal Krawetz who said that.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

2009-01-09 Thread j-f sentier

So why do you keep on spamming this list ?



I don't have any skills, it was Robert Lemos and Neal Krawetz who said that.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

2009-01-09 Thread j-f sentier

Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all, i guess you're not
welcome here :)

On the top of this fact, you do not produce anything interresting related to
security unless spamming some news copy/pasted from some news website.
Also i wonder if you even know how to do a helloword in C =)




2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com

 Look towards yourself and Ureleet as far as thats concerned ;)

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:52 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
  So why do you keep on spamming this list ?
 
 
 
  I don't have any skills, it was Robert Lemos and Neal Krawetz who said
  that.
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

he can google that.  its probably in his google groups.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all, i guess you're not
 welcome here :)

 On the top of this fact, you do not produce anything interresting related to
 security unless spamming some news copy/pasted from some news website.
 Also i wonder if you even know how to do a helloword in C =)



 2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com

 Look towards yourself and Ureleet as far as thats concerned ;)

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:52 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
  So why do you keep on spamming this list ?
 
 
 
  I don't have any skills, it was Robert Lemos and Neal Krawetz who said
  that.
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

it all sucks.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Biz Marqee biz.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
 THIS IS A COMPUTER SECURITY MAILING LIST.

 no one cares about your opinion on this horseshit... atleast n3td3v stays
 vaguely on topic (no matter how skewed his thoughts may be)

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all

A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

How do we know you're not an alias? Post your C.V...

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com wrote:
 At least I'm not an alias.
 I just couldn't hold back any longer after reading your bullshit for month.

 2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all

 A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
 look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

No, this is a mailing list hence we.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do we know 

 You're alone here.

 2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com

 How do we know you're not an alias? Post your C.V...

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  At least I'm not an alias.
  I just couldn't hold back any longer after reading your bullshit for
  month.
 
  2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com:
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all
 
  A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
  look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

2009-01-09 Thread j-f sentier

You're alone here, no one like you.
You have 4500 registred persons on your very professional mailing-list ?
Then why dont you hangout there with your friends ?

2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com

 No, this is a mailing list hence we.

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
  How do we know 
 
  You're alone here.
 
  2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com
 
  How do we know you're not an alias? Post your C.V...
 
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
   At least I'm not an alias.
   I just couldn't hold back any longer after reading your bullshit for
   month.
  
   2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com:
   On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all
  
   A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
   look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v
  
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're alone here, no one like you.

A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

u rnt a founder of a GOD DAMNED THING.  A FUCKING GOOGLE GROUP DOES
NOT TAKE A FUCKING FOUNDER YOU CUNTBISCUIT.

u r a know nuthing/never done nuthing/post what other ppl write
dickhead.  bury yourself in the sand. and choke.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM, n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all

 A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
 look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

i like him.  u liar.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're alone here, no one like you.

 A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
 look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

o, i take that back.  i thought n3td3v said no one likes j-f sentier.

damn google and it's collapsed conversations.  o wait.  damn n3td3v
and his in ability to properly write email.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Ureleet urel...@gmail.com wrote:
 i like him.  u liar.

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:35 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're alone here, no one like you.

 A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
 look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.

we, dont give a fuck if j-f sentier is an alias or not.  we simply
care that u die.  slowly and painfully.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM, n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, this is a mailing list hence we.

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:28 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote:
 How do we know 

 You're alone here.

 2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com

 How do we know you're not an alias? Post your C.V...

 On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  At least I'm not an alias.
  I just couldn't hold back any longer after reading your bullshit for
  month.
 
  2009/1/9 n3td3v xploita...@gmail.com:
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all
 
  A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
  look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v
 
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine Pointless noise.