Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

"Israel News: Ynetnews"

yeah i'll get right on reading that propaganda {delete}


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> The Palestinian Pandora's Box
>
> Yoram Ettinger, Ynet, January 23, 2009
>

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Miller Grey]

...in this case, probably a stiff drink...

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:10 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Most prefer Bayer :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Advil?
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The Palestinian Pandora's Box

Yoram Ettinger, Ynet, January 23, 2009





The mild reaction by Arab countries to the Hamas-driven Palestinian
predicament in Gaza refutes the assumption that the Palestinian issue is a
top Arab priority and that it constitutes the core cause of Arab hostility
toward the West, USA and Israel.  In fact, the Arab reaction has reflected
overall Arab attitude toward the Palestinian issue since 1948, through the
1982 Israel-PLO war in Lebanon and the First and Second Intifadah,
irrespective of the identity of the Palestinian leadership: Haj Amin
al-Husseini, Shukeiri, Hammuda ,
Arafat, Abu Mazen or Haniyeh.



Arab countries have always showered Palestinians with rhetoric, but they
have refrained from significant support.  During the 2009 Gaza War, Arab
countries rejected the call for an emergency session of Arab leaders on
behalf of Gaza.  They have limited their meek support to a gathering of Arab
foreign ministers, calling for a UN emergency session.  Saudi Arabia
dismissed the suggestion to employ oil as a weapon.  Riad prohibits
pro-Palestinian rallies and its religious establishment issued a weak
proclamation on behalf of the Palestinian struggle.  The Gulf Cooperation
Council focused on economic and monetary issues during its December 30, 2008
meeting, according lips service to Gaza.



A similar reaction occurred during the 1982 Israel-PLO war in Lebanon, which
erupted on June 4.  The Arab oil producing countries convened in August to
discuss the price of oil, dismissing the proposal to use the oil weapon on
behalf of the PLO.  The summit of Arab leaders was deliberately delayed
until September, following the expulsion of the PLO from Beirut.



Arab leaders have systematically demonstrated how secondary the Palestinian
issue has been in their order of national priorities.  For instance, Arab
financial support of the PLO was less than 10% of Arab financial support to
the anti-Soviet Muslims in Afghanistan.  In 1988, the Arab League convened
on behalf of the First Intifadah, committing itself to $128MN immediate
support, followed by $43MN monthly assistance.  Less than $100MN was
actually transferred to the PLO, compared with over $1BN annual support to
Afghanistan during 1978-1988.  In 2002, Saudi Arabia pledged $600MN for the
Second Intifadah, but only $100MN has been transferred so far.  Other Arab
countries made a $55MN monthly commitment, but – as expected – they have
once again failed to deliver.



Recent precedents have led Arabs to consider the Palestinians a potential
treacherous, subversive, explosive Pandora's box, which could undermine
their survival.  On the other hand, Palestinians blame Arab leaders for the
"1948 Debacle."  In 1948/9, the Arab League made it clear that the war
against the Jewish State was not launched because – or for – the
Palestinians.  It declared the provisional Palestinian government null and
void, while Egypt and Jordan expelled the Palestinian leadership from Gaza,
Judea and Samaria. During the late 1950s, and in 1966, Arafat, Abu Mazen and
their Fatah colleagues were evicted from Egypt and Syria for subversion.  In
1970, they were decimated in Jordan, following an attempt to topple the
Hashemite regime ("Black September").  In 1975/76, they were clobbered by
Syria (in Lebanon), as a result of their assault on the central government
in Beirut ("Black June").  In 1983, they lost their base in Tripoli,
Lebanon, after they failed to challenge the dominant local militia. In 1987,
Egypt killed scores of Palestinians, who demonstrated on behalf of the First
Intifadah in the Rafah refugee camp in Sinai/Gaza. In 1991, Kuwait expelled
300,000 Palestinians for collaboration with Saddam's plunder of the
sheikhdom. Since 2003, thousands of Palestinians have fled Iraq, due to
their identification with the Butcher of Baghdad. The Red Carpet, which
welcomes Palestinian leaders at the UN and in Western capitals, is
transformed into a shabby rug upon landing in Arab capitals.



What do Arab leaders know - about the Palestinians - which has escaped
Western and Israeli policy-makers?

Arab leaders have not dedicated themselves to advance the Palestinian
cause.  They have not regarded the Palestinian issue as a premier link in
the formulation of their policies.  Domestic, regional and global factors
have impacted inter-Arab, Arab-Western and Arab-Israel relations much more
than the Palestinian issue.  Palestinians do not possess veto power over
Arab policy-making.



Since the 1993 Oslo Accord, Israel has subordinated its national security
policy to the resolution of the Palestinian issue, switching its focus from
the Israeli-Arab path to the Israeli-Palestinian path.  Dozens of
initiatives, conferences, summits, agreements and cease fires have yielded a
series of short-lived illusions of peace and security, which were promptly
crashed by an unprecedented Palestinian wave of hate-education, violation of
commi

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

Most prefer Bayer :-)

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> Advil?
>

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Advil?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Miller Grey wrote:

> ...my head hurts...
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
   while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>>
>> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>>
>>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like
> you, i would too.
>
 What? Be a loser?

>>>
>>> I would start a war too. understand now ?
>>>
>> You could have just answered yes to my question.
>>
>>


>  , which is totally understandable
>>>
>> It was not up to them.
>>
> Well they are the first concerned.
>
 Concerned about what?

>>>
>>> Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor
>>>
>> Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
>> countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
>> all odds.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>


>
>>> israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>>
>> Prove that.
>>
>
> It's allready proven.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>
 No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

 You really need to start discerning facts from opinion

>>>
>>> They have the bomb and everyone know that.
>>>
>> There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
>> Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need
>> to), knows for certain.
>>
>>
>>> So yes it's a FACT
>>>
>> Recheck the definition in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Not an opinion, there's proof
>>>
>> Show it.
>>
>>
>>>  , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that
>>> they have it.
>>>
>> Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
>> buddies?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.
>>>
>>>

>
>
>
>>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>>> around the world,
>>>
>>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch
>>> jews, because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>>
>> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>>
>
> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>
 Read above.

>>> Still a FACT .
>>>
>> Read above.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>



>
>
>>
>>
>>> they play the holocaust card.
>>>
>>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
>> Nazis.
>>
>
> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
> did bring up holocaust:
> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>
 It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names
 you use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle
 you have chosen to make this claim.

 But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement
 under this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the
 claims you made under the other handle you were using.

>>> Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person
>>> here hate you or the zionist ?
>>> Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion
>>> you would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons.
>>>
>> I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and
>> opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded
>> individual.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
>> what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
>> Use a spell checker or something...
>>
>
> Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?
>
 Yes, but completely irrelevant.

>>>
>>> Nop it's pertinant.
>>>
>> Read above.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was
>>> fighting agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are 
>>> bad
>>> terrorists.
>>>
>> You agree that they are terrorists then?
>>
>>
>
> I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.
>
 How did you arrive at that conclusion?

>>>
>>> just reading your posts
>>>
>> Great. Had enough?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>



>
>>
>> stifles yourself with your propaganda.
>>>
>> Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
>> mailing list

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Miller Grey]

...my head hurts...

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Avraham Schneider <
avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>   while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>
> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>
>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you,
 i would too.

>>> What? Be a loser?
>>>
>>
>> I would start a war too. understand now ?
>>
> You could have just answered yes to my question.
>
>
>>>
>>>
  , which is totally understandable
>>
> It was not up to them.
>
 Well they are the first concerned.

>>> Concerned about what?
>>>
>>
>> Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor
>>
> Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
> countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
> all odds.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

>> israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>
> Prove that.
>

 It's allready proven.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
 http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html

>>> No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof
>>>
>>> You really need to start discerning facts from opinion
>>>
>>
>> They have the bomb and everyone know that.
>>
> There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
> Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to),
> knows for certain.
>
>
>> So yes it's a FACT
>>
> Recheck the definition in the dictionary.
>
>
>>
>> Not an opinion, there's proof
>>
> Show it.
>
>
>> , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they
>> have it.
>>
> Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
> buddies?
>
>
>>
>> Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.
>>
>>
>>>



>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>> around the world,
>>
>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
>> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>
> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>

 Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.

>>> Read above.
>>>
>> Still a FACT .
>>
> Read above.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


>
>
>> they play the holocaust card.
>>
>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
> Nazis.
>

 First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
 did bring up holocaust:
 - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html

>>> It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
>>> use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
>>> have chosen to make this claim.
>>>
>>> But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
>>> this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
>>> made under the other handle you were using.
>>>
>> Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here
>> hate you or the zionist ?
>> Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you
>> would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons.
>>
> I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and
> opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded
> individual.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
> As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
> what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
> Use a spell checker or something...
>

 Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?

>>> Yes, but completely irrelevant.
>>>
>>
>> Nop it's pertinant.
>>
> Read above.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


>
>
>
>> , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was
>> fighting agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are 
>> bad
>> terrorists.
>>
> You agree that they are terrorists then?
>
>

 I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.

>>> How did you arrive at that conclusion?
>>>
>>
>> just reading your posts
>>
> Great. Had enough?
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
> stifles yourself with your propaganda.
>>
> Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
> mailing list.
>

 It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
 again go fuck yourself.

>>> I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a
>>> translator - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and
>>> spelling, as we

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>
>
>>  while playing at war with them neighbors.
>
 Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you,
>>> i would too.
>>>
>> What? Be a loser?
>>
>
> I would start a war too. understand now ?
>
You could have just answered yes to my question.


>>
>>
>>>  , which is totally understandable
>
 It was not up to them.

>>> Well they are the first concerned.
>>>
>> Concerned about what?
>>
>
> Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor
>
Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab
countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against
all odds.


>
>
>>
>>
>>>
> israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>
 Prove that.

>>>
>>> It's allready proven.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>>> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>>>
>> No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof
>>
>> You really need to start discerning facts from opinion
>>
>
> They have the bomb and everyone know that.
>
There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge.
Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to),
knows for certain.


> So yes it's a FACT
>
Recheck the definition in the dictionary.


>
> Not an opinion, there's proof
>
Show it.


> , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they
> have it.
>
Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your
buddies?


>
> Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
> around the world,
>
   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>
 Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.

>>>
>>> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>>>
>> Read above.
>>
> Still a FACT .
>
Read above.


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>


> they play the holocaust card.
>
  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
 Nazis.

>>>
>>> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you
>>> did bring up holocaust:
>>> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>>>
>> It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
>> use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
>> have chosen to make this claim.
>>
>> But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
>> this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
>> made under the other handle you were using.
>>
> Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here
> hate you or the zionist ?
> Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you
> would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons.
>
I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and
opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded
individual.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
 As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
 what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
 Use a spell checker or something...

>>>
>>> Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?
>>>
>> Yes, but completely irrelevant.
>>
>
> Nop it's pertinant.
>
Read above.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>



> , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was
> fighting agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are bad
> terrorists.
>
 You agree that they are terrorists then?


>>>
>>> I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.
>>>
>> How did you arrive at that conclusion?
>>
>
> just reading your posts
>
Great. Had enough?


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>

 stifles yourself with your propaganda.
>
 Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
 mailing list.

>>>
>>> It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
>>> again go fuck yourself.
>>>
>> I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator
>> - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well
>> as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap.
>>
>
> Well if you cant understand the phrase :
>
> "stifles yourself with your propaganda."
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle
>
> v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr.
> 1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
> 2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
> 3. To

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

>  while playing at war with them neighbors.

>>> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>>>
 If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
>> would too.
>>
> What? Be a loser?
>

I would start a war too. understand now ?

>
>
>
>> , which is totally understandable

>>> It was not up to them.
>>>
>> Well they are the first concerned.
>>
> Concerned about what?
>

Arabians are the first concerned about  having a new hostil neighbor


>
>
>>
 israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly

>>> Prove that.
>>>
>>
>> It's allready proven.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
>> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>>
> No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof
>
> You really need to start discerning facts from opinion
>

They have the bomb and everyone know that.
So yes it's a FACT
Not an opinion, there's proof , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said
no, which confirm that they have it.
Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(.


>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
 around the world,

>>>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
 Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
 because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,

>>> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>>>
>>
>> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>>
> Read above.
>
Still a FACT .


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
 they play the holocaust card.

>>>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
>>> Nazis.
>>>
>>
>> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
>> bring up holocaust:
>> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>>
> It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
> use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
> have chosen to make this claim.
>
> But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
> this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
> made under the other handle you were using.
>
Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here
hate you or the zionist ?
Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you
would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons.





>
>>> As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for
>>> what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
>>> Use a spell checker or something...
>>>
>>
>> Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?
>>
> Yes, but completely irrelevant.
>

Nop it's pertinant.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting
 agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are bad
 terrorists.

>>> You agree that they are terrorists then?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.
>>
> How did you arrive at that conclusion?
>

just reading your posts


>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> stifles yourself with your propaganda.

>>> Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>
>> It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once
>> again go fuck yourself.
>>
> I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator
> - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well
> as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap.
>

Well if you cant understand the phrase :

"stifles yourself with your propaganda."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle

v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr.
1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example).
2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation.
3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.--> this
is the one (suffocate) :)
See you should open up your translator sometimes
btw what's that fixation thing with soap ?
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:38 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>   >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US
> state department.
>>
>>  What a nice reference 
>>>
>> Do you dispute it?
>>
> Yes i do, a problem with that ?
>>
> Yes, you have a problem.
>>
>>
>
> So because i dont agree i have a problem ?
> Go fuck yourself
>
>>

> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
> governement.
> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>
 How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
> _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?
>
 Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
>>> understand why.
>>> You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent
>>> weapons
>>> Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
>>> Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
>>> bedside book.
>>>
>> I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like
>> a broken record?
>> Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.
>>
>>
>
> First of all lebanon are not my brothers, i'm not an arabian or muslim.
> I'm an european atheist.
> Go  fuck yourself (2)
>
>>
>>
>  they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
 return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
 bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
 possible.


>>> Yep that's war remember ?
>>>
>> So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
>>
> Yes it's war, RTFM
>
No, it's terrorism, RTFM


>
>
>
>>  while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>>
>> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>>
>>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
> would too.
>
What? Be a loser?


>
>
>
>>  Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of
>>> israel
>>>
>> But the UN disagreed.
>>
>
> Yeah, and who has the last word at UN ?
>
The UN?


>
>>
>>
>>> , which is totally understandable
>>>
>> It was not up to them.
>>
> Well they are the first concerned.
>
Concerned about what?


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ,  but US and British got the last word.
>>>
>> No, Israel did.
>>
>
> Via the british and US support.
>
The Arabs had Russia's support - regardless - they lost - game over.


>
>
>>
>>> Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>>
>> Prove that.
>>
>
> It's allready proven.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html
>
No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof

You really need to start discerning facts from opinion, you should ask your
school teacher for help if you have trouble with that (You're already in 3rd
grade right?)


>
>
>
>>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>>> around the world,
>>>
>>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
>>> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>>
>> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>>
>
> Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.
>
Read above.


>
>
>>
>>
>>> they play the holocaust card.
>>>
>>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
>> Nazis.
>>
>
> First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
> bring up holocaust:
> - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html
>
It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you
use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you
have chosen to make this claim.

But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under
this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you
made under the other handle you were using.



>
>
>>
>>> If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
>>> happens
>>>
>> When did that happen?
>>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cocktail+molotov+mosque
>
OK - whoever did that was stupid, and would be classified as a terrorist.
I have no idea who did it, and I have no association with him whatsoever.


> 
>
>>
>> You have to understand something Avraham
>>
> I don't.
>>
>
> I know.
>
Great.


>
>>
>>> , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this
>>>
>> Yes - evil exists.
>>
>
> So the one who doesn't like you guys, are evil
>
Yes.


>
> This is once again propaganda.
>
True.


>
>> As you got to understand that a

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

  >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
department.
>
>  What a nice reference 
>>
> Do you dispute it?
>
Yes i do, a problem with that ?
>
Yes, you have a problem.
>
>

So because i dont agree i have a problem ?
Go fuck yourself

>
>>>
 >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
 governement.
 Hamas resist against your invasion.

>>> How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
 _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

>>> Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
>> understand why.
>> You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent
>> weapons
>> Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
>> Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
>> bedside book.
>>
> I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like
> a broken record?
> Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.
>
>

First of all lebanon are not my brothers, i'm not an arabian or muslim.
I'm an european atheist.
Go  fuck yourself (2)

>
>
 they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
>>> return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
>>> bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>>
>> Yep that's war remember ?
>>
> So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
>
Yes it's war, RTFM



>  while playing at war with them neighbors.
>>
> Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.
>
>> If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i
would too.


>  Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel
>>
> But the UN disagreed.
>

Yeah, and who has the last word at UN ?

>
>
>
>> , which is totally understandable
>>
> It was not up to them.
>
Well they are the first concerned.


>
>
>
>> ,  but US and British got the last word.
>>
> No, Israel did.
>

Via the british and US support.



>
>> Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>>
> Prove that.
>

It's allready proven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html



>  The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias
>> around the world,
>>
>   most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
>> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
>> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>>
> Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.
>

Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT.


>
>
>> they play the holocaust card.
>>
>  I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the
> Nazis.
>

First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did
bring up holocaust:
- http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html


>
>> If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
>> happens
>>
> When did that happen?
>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cocktail+molotov+mosque

>
> You have to understand something Avraham
>
I don't.
>

I know.

>
>
>> , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this
>>
> Yes - evil exists.
>

So the one who doesn't like you guys, are evil
This is once again propaganda.

>
> As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what
> they've done in central ameriqua for exemple
> Use a spell checker or something...
>

Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ?


>
>
>
>> , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting
>> agains communists, now that they "fight" against US, they are bad
>> terrorists.
>>
> You agree that they are terrorists then?
>
>

I agree on the fact that you're  pathetic.


>
> stifles yourself with your propaganda.
>>
> Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec mailing
> list.
>

It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once again
go fuck yourself.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:01 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>
> >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
>>> department.
>>>  What a nice reference 
>>>
>> Do you dispute it?
>>
> Yes i do, a problem with that ?
>
Yes, you have a problem.


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
>>> governement.
>>> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>>>
>> How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
>>> _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?
>>>
>> Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
> understand why.
> You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent weapons
> Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
> Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
> bedside book.
>
I have already commented on that - why do you keep repeating yourself like a
broken record?
Go talk to your brothers in Lebanon who did the massacre.


> If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it
>> much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.
>>
> They did remember now ?
>
No, I was referring to Israel being able to wipe Gaza with 0 casualties on
the Israeli side, and in less than 10 minutes. Israel did not do that.


>
>
>>
>>
>> Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
>> govornment,
>>
> Oh you guys are so nice.. shall they say thanks ?
>
Yes.


>
>
>> they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
>> return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
>> bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
>> possible.
>>
>>
> Yep that's war remember ?
>
So trying to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ is OK in your book,
but Israel attempting to kill those terrorists _without_  harming
_civilians_ on the Palestinian side (a mission impossible task) is wrong?



>
>>
>> Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any
>> _civilians_ wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and
>> _civilians die_ - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as
>> human shields - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
>>
> Bull-shit
>
You had that for lunch?


>
>
>
>> the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in
>> the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.
>>
>
> Lots of people hate USA, but i guess they're terrorists then .
> So  many european country = terrorists.
> See i'm kind i save you some words :)
>
No, you can hate as many people as you want - as long as you don't put your
hate into action - i.e. blow yourself up in a bus, etc... You are not a
terrorist (just a sick person).


>
>
>
>> No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
>> phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
>> during war.
>>
> Do you guys want a nobel price or something ?
>
Both.


>
>>
>> Now quoting party is over, let's also talk about fact:
> Israel are illegal since 1948.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre


>
> They have stolen lots of land in jordany, egypt,
>
I guess they should have not opened war on Israel...


> palestine
>
There was no such country - there were no Palestinians back then. It's a new
invention.


> , liban
>
You mean Lebanon?


> while playing at war with them neighbors.
>
Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war.

>
> Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel
>
But the UN disagreed.


> , which is totally understandable
>
It was not up to them.


> ,  but US and British got the last word.
>
No, Israel did.


>
> Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly
>
Prove that.


> , they shouldn't have that one.
>
Why? Are you scared?


>
> Also about the elected people by god stuff, i forgot to said that  the man
> who wrote the torah was jew ;)
>
Yes, Mosses was a Jew.


> The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around
> the world,
>
 most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
> Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
> because as avraham do, everytime you hit them,
>
Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you.


> they play the holocaust card.
>
 I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the Nazis.


> If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
> happens
>
When did that happen?


> , but if you do the same on a synagogue,  all the politics will be
> condaming the authors of this attak, kind of frustrating eh ?
>
No. You are.


>
>
> You have to understand something Avraham
>
I don't.


> , a lots of people (not muslims) hate zionist, there's a reason for this
>
Yes - evil exists.


> , you've asked for it.
>
No - it's just a fact of life.


>
>
> As you got to understan

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

> >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
>> department.
>>  What a nice reference 
>>
> Do you dispute it?
>
Yes i do, a problem with that ?


>
>
>> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as
>> governement.
>> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>>
> How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
>> _civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?
>>
> Yes it's a war, Palestine has never been in peace with you guys, and i
understand why.
You guys are armed by US ... Palestinian do not have equivalent weapons
Btw did you forgot Sabra & shatilla ? just in case :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Your argument is pointless once again, but i guess amnesia 101 is your
bedside book.

> If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it
> much cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.
>
They did remember now ?


>
>
> Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
> govornment,
>
Oh you guys are so nice.. shall they say thanks ?


> they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver plate, in
> return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent terrorist suicide
> bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli _civilians_ as
> possible.
>
>
Yep that's war remember ?


>
> Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_
> wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_
> - especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields -
> http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
>
Bull-shit


> the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000 innocent civilians dies in
> the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.
>

Lots of people hate USA, but i guess they're terrorists then .
So  many european country = terrorists.
See i'm kind i save you some words :)

>

> No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
> phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
> during war.
>
Do you guys want a nobel price or something ?

>
>
> Now quoting party is over, let's also talk about fact:
Israel are illegal since 1948.
They have stolen lots of land in jordany, egypt, palestine, liban while
playing at war with them neighbors.
Btw no one of theses neighbors wanted  the creation of the state of israel,
which is totally understandable,  but US and British got the last word.
Israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly, they shouldn't have that one.
Also about the elected people by god stuff, i forgot to said that  the man
who wrote the torah was jew ;)
The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around
the world,  most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around.
Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews,
because as avraham do, everytime you hit them, they play the holocaust card.
If someone in europe throw some coktails molotov on a  mosque, nothing
happens, but if you do the same on a synagogue,  all the politics will be
condaming the authors of this attak, kind of frustrating eh ?

You have to understand something Avraham, a lots of people (not muslims)
hate zionist, there's a reason for this, you've asked for it.

As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what
they've done in central ameriqua for exemple, or for playing the world
policeman game, and yes if 15 clown armed like gardeners can blow 2 towers
in US soil, this will make happy some people around the world, religious
related or not.
Also stop calling everyone terrorists, dont you remember, talibans was good
terrorists when they was fighting agains communists, now that they "fight"
against US, they are bad terrorists.
stifles yourself with your propaganda.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Typical zionist trying to tell people what to do...

Was just suggesting he follows his own advise.


>
>
> It's ingrained in them to talk down to others at birth

I guess you have not followed your own thread, ehmmm... Propaganda, the ones
who are talking down on others here are you and your buddies.


> , sorry for the
> mismanners of the typical zionist jew everyone.

You do not need to apologize in my name, I am pretty capable of doing so
myself if I choose to.
 And talking about manners, you should wash your mouth and fingers with a
lot of soap.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.
> >
> > Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
> >> None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your
> >> intolerant attitude.
> >> So please shut up and get back to computer security.
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Bruderer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
> >>> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
> >>> propaganda machine.
> >>
> >> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> >> propaganda and lies, is you.
> >> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> >> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> >> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> >> needed,
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
> >> > with
> >> > the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
> >> >
> >>
> >> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> >> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be
> >> >> going
> >> >> real well...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> >The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
> >> >great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
> >> >countries.
> >>
> >> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> >> helping.
> >> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
> >> ties Israel had with them are drug related).
> >>
> >> >Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
> >> >zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
> >> >come true :)
> >> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> >> guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
> >>
> >>
> >> >It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
> >> >more then any other country
> >> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> >> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
> >>
> >> > and you support them 100%.
> >> Yes I do.
> >>
> >> > You're a terrorist
> >> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
> >>
> >> >and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> >> But Obama is closing it down..,
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

Typical zionist trying to tell people what to do...

It's ingrained in them to talk down to others at birth, sorry for the
mismanners of the typical zionist jew everyone.



On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.
>
> Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer 
> wrote:
>>
>> We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
>> None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your
>> intolerant attitude.
>> So please shut up and get back to computer security.
>>
>>
>> Peter Bruderer
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
>>> >
>>>
>>> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
>>> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
>>> propaganda machine.
>>
>> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
>> propaganda and lies, is you.
>> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
>> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
>> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
>> needed,
>>
>>
>> >
>> > You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
>> > with
>> > the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
>> >
>>
>> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
>> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be
>> >> going
>> >> real well...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
>> >great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
>> >countries.
>>
>> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
>> helping.
>> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
>> ties Israel had with them are drug related).
>>
>> >Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
>> >zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
>> >come true :)
>> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
>> guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
>>
>>
>> >It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
>> >more then any other country
>> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
>> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
>>
>> > and you support them 100%.
>> Yes I do.
>>
>> > You're a terrorist
>> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
>>
>> >and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
>> But Obama is closing it down..,
>>
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Not trying to change anything and I am very tollerant.

Why don't you take your advice and get back to computer security?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Peter Bruderer wrote:

> We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.
> None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your intolerant
> attitude.
> So please shut up and get back to computer security.
>
>
>
> Peter Bruderer
>
>
>
>
> On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
>> >
>>
>> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
>> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
>> propaganda machine.
>
> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> propaganda and lies, is you.
> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> needed,
>
>
> >
> > You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
> with
> > the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
> >
>
> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
>
>
>
> >
> >> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
> >> real well...
> >
> >
>
> >The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
> >great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
> >countries.
>
> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> helping.
> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
> Israel had with them are drug related).
>
> >Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
> >zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
> >come true :)
> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
>
>
> >It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
> >more then any other country
> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
>
> > and you support them 100%.
> Yes I do.
>
> > You're a terrorist
> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
>
> >and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> But Obama is closing it down..,
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> > propaganda and lies, is you.
> > Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> > offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> > repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> > needed,
> >
> >
>
> If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic
> way to live and I feel sorry for you.

Thanks for the sympathy.


>
>
> oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're
> basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't
> fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life.
>
> >
> > So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> > No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
> >
>
> Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it.


> >
> > You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be
> helping.
> > Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only
> ties
> > Israel had with them are drug related).
> >
>
> zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised,  patheticx2.


>
>
> > As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I
> guess
> > you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
> >
>
> "as far as we see"

Yes, 'us' == 'the rest of the world'.


>
>
> Shill, proof.

http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd


>
> patheticx3.

I agree. Are you done?


>
>
>
> >
> > I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> > Now that you do - who is 'us'?
> >
>
> See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then
> the rest of the world. Us is the USA.

I guess you should have capitalized it and not use it as the objective case
of we.


> The country that you've lived in your entire life too scared to fight along
> your scum brothers in
> israel.

I grew up in Israel.


>
>
> >> and you support them 100%.
> > Yes I do.
> >
>
> Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians

 Not sure exactly what you want me to do? murder innocent civilians? I don't
do that

in the name of your scum brothers.

and neither do my brothers.


> Hm... pathetic.

Yes, you are.


>
>
> >> You're a terrorist
> > http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
> >
> >>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> > But Obama is closing it down..,
>
> Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers.
> That will solve 90% of our problems.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
>
>
>
> I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
> propaganda and lies, is you.
> Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
> offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
> repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
> needed,
>
>

If it isnt from zionist scum you don't believe it. That's a pathetic
way to live and I feel sorry for you.

oh yes! You aren't deliberately spreading false claims right? You're
basing yours on what israel says and anyone else is wrong. That isn't
fact. You aren't able to think for yourself, that's a sad life.

>
> So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
> No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd
>

Again, wasn't from zionist scum so you don't believe it.

>
> You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping.
> Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
> Israel had with them are drug related).
>

zionist scum all hopped up on drugs, label me not surprised,  patheticx2.


> As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess
> you have to come up with better backup plans than these...
>

"as far as we see"

Shill, proof.

patheticx3.


>
> I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
> Now that you do - who is 'us'?
>

See, thats the problem with zionist scum. It's always zionists... then
the rest of the world. Us is the USA. The country that you've lived in
your entire life too scared to fight along your scum brothers in
israel.

>> and you support them 100%.
> Yes I do.
>

Yet too much of a coward to murder innocent civilians in the name of
your scum brothers. Hm... pathetic.

>> You're a terrorist
> http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g
>
>>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
> But Obama is closing it down..,

Yes, and hopefully he opens up camps for you and your scum brothers.
That will solve 90% of our problems.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Peter Bruderer]

We heard it now many times. Please stop it now.

None of you is going to change anything. Specially not with your  
intolerant attitude.


So please shut up and get back to computer security.



Peter Bruderer




On 19.01.2009, at 08:01, Avraham Schneider wrote:




On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Again I'll ask - what facts?
>

You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
propaganda machine.
I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading  
propaganda and lies, is you.
Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading  
your offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list  
- I will repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts,  
as many times needed,



>
> You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary,  
along with

> the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
>

So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



>
>> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to  
be going

>> real well...
>
>

>The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
>great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with  
other

>countries.

You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be  
helping.
Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the  
only ties Israel had with them are drug related).


>Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
>zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
>come true :)
As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so  
I guess you have to come up with better backup plans than these...



>It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
>more then any other country
I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
Now that you do - who is 'us'?

> and you support them 100%.
Yes I do.

> You're a terrorist
http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
But Obama is closing it down..,


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:44 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Again I'll ask - what facts?
> >
>
> You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
> matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
> propaganda machine.

I think the person who is delibitrary ignoring facts and spreading
propaganda and lies, is you.
Until you and your friends get off this list, and/or stop spreading your
offtopic propaganda full of lies and hate here on a comsec list - I will
repeat correcting your false claims, basing mine on facts, as many times
needed,


>
> You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along
with
> the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
>

So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?
No - http://tinyurl.com/8q6xjd



>
>> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
>> real well...
>
>

>The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
>great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
>countries.

You are over confident with your propaganda, it does not seem to be helping.
Unless you are referring to Bolivia cutting ties with Israel (the only ties
Israel had with them are drug related).

>Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
>zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
>come true :)
As far as we see, against all expectations, Obama is pro-Israel - so I guess
you have to come up with better backup plans than these...


>It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
>more then any other country
I do not recall you mentioned it - hence I did not respond.
Now that you do - who is 'us'?

> and you support them 100%.
Yes I do.

> You're a terrorist
http://tinyurl.com/74ct4g

>and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.
But Obama is closing it down..,
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
>
>
>
> Again I'll ask - what facts?
>

You read the facts, and you responded with zionist propaganda. No
matter how many times you repeat yourself, the IDF is still a
propaganda machine.

>
> You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with
> the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...
>

So zionists are now redefining words to favor themselves huh?


>
> Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
> real well...
>
>

The plans are going quite well, the zionists in israel are doing a
great job in destroying any decent reputation they have had with other
countries.

Not to mention the fact that Obama is going into office, and you
zionist scum have tons of conspiracy about that. Lets hope they all
come true :)


It's funny how you never responded to the FACT that israel spys on us
more then any other country and you support them 100%. You're a
terrorist and deserve to be in guantanamo bay.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> How come you never sleep ?

I just woke up.


>
> There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ?

I think the one who is using a propaganda nickname is you 'j-f sentier' - My
real name is Avraham Schneider - you can find my profile on Linked In, and I
don't hide by a propaganda nickname, something so prevalent here lately...

Anyways :
>
> >>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
> department.
> What a nice reference 
>
Do you dispute it?


> >>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
> Hamas resist against your invasion.
>
How? By firing at _civilians_? Sending suicide bombers to attack
_civilians_? And doing everything it possibly can to attack _civilians_?

How do they resist? by hiding behind their own _civilians_? Then claiming
victory when Israel pulls out after killing hundreds of them?

>>Thanks for the 'information'.
> I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...
> I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by
> govs, before 9/11/2001.
>
It is clear you don't.


>
> >>I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists
>
> Oh let me guess:
>
> see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian
> see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with
> old school rockets = bad Palestinian
>
If Israel really wanted to kill Palestinians in general, it could do it much
cheaper and with no Israeli casualties.

Israel pulled out of Gazaa and let the Palestinians have their own
govornment, they basically gave them everything they wanted on a silver
plate, in return Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups, sent
terrorist suicide bombers accross the border - to kill as many Israeli
_civilians_ as possible.

Israel is _avoiding civilian casualties_, it is _sorry_ for any _civilians_
wounded or killed during fighting - but this is a _war_, and _civilians die_
- especially since Hamas is using Palestinian civilians as human shields -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5

Hamas on the other hand, _target civilians_ - Palestinians are _happy_ when
Israeli civilians die, the same as they were happy at 9/11 - when 3000
innocent civilians dies in the WTC - spreading candy in the streets.

Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight
> back.
>
We don't fire at them - we don't target civilians, we target the militant
terrorist organizations that hide among the supporting Palestinian
population.
Any civilian who stores weapons in his house should not complain that his
house is bombed.
any civilian who has a smuggling tunnel underground, should not complain
that his house is bombed.

No other country does what Israel does - i.e. make over 250 thousand
phonecalls to warn enemy's civilians to leave an area about to be bombed -
during war.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:42 AM, ghost  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > What facts?
> >
>
>
> Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical
> zionist scum.

Again I'll ask - what facts?


>
>
> You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill.

You need to recheck the definition of 'proof' in the dictionary, along with
the definition of many other words you have been missusing lately...


>
>
> I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all.

Do you have any backup plans? Because this one does not seem to be going
real well...
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
>
>
> What facts?
>


Point proven. If it isn't from zionist then it isn't a fact, typical
zionist scum.

You work for an israeli based company, that proves your a shill.

I will rejoice once israel is wiped off the face of earth once and for all.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Rants nRaves]

 I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally
>> different
>> >>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda
>> campain
>> >>> > going
>> >>> > on here.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the
>> filtering
>> >>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
>> >>> > have to
>> >>> > continue being unhappy.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>> >>> >> discussing
>> >>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>> >>> >> about
>> >>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is-
>> right,
>> >>> >> from
>> >>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more
>> sophisticated
>> >>> >> arguments.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
>>  You
>> >>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're
>> doing
>> >>> >> is a
>> >>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Grow up.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -Original Message-
>> >>> >> From: ghost 
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> >>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> >>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>> >>> >> > showing
>> >>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected
>> the
>> >>> >> > footage
>> >>> >> > and none have contested it.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> >>> >> > considering
>> >>> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
>> as
>> >>> >> > it
>> >>> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage
>> was
>> >>> >> > fake
>> >>> >> > or
>> >>> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

How come you never sleep ?
There's some relay going on, on your propaganda nickname ?

Anyways :

>>Hamas is also designated as a terrorist organization by the US state
department.
What a nice reference 
>>I said Hamas was, and that the Palestinians elected Hamas as governement.
Hamas resist against your invasion.
>>Thanks for the 'information'.
I suggest, just in general, that you use a dictionary once in a while...
I do, and i suggest you to look at the use of this word in the medias or by
govs, before 9/11/2001.

>>I didn't say all Palestinians are terrorists

Oh let me guess:

see all your familly killed by israeli, and do nothing = good Palestinian
see all your familly killed by israelis and then kill some israelis with old
school rockets = bad Palestinian

Sure it's always more funny when you can fire at them when they dont fight
back.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:55 AM, ghost  wrote:

> Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle
> he claims its all made up.
>
What facts?


>
>
> You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work
> for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either...
> right?
>
Yes, it's all just 1 big conspiracy...


>
>
> Pathetic.
>
Agree.


>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
> British
> > jurnalist that says:
> > "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
> > factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
> its
> > arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
> >
> > Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> > Palestinians - really credible...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
> >>
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
> >>
> >>
> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
> >>
> >> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
> >> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
> >> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
> >> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
> >>
> >> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
> >> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
> >> unstable.
> >>
> >> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
> >> > cared
> >> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
> >> > topic
> >> > out - especially since you use gmail...
> >> >
> >> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
> following
> >> > it
> >> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
> >> >
> >> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
> >> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
> >> > going
> >> > on here.
> >> >
> >> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
> >> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
> have
> >> > to
> >> > continue being unhappy.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
> >> >> discussing
> >> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
> >> >> about
> >> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
> >> >> from
> >> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> >> >> arguments.
> >> >>
> >> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
>  You
> >> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
> is
> >> >> a
> >> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
> >> >>
> >> >> Grow up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >> >>
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From: ghost 
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> >> >> To: Full Disclosure
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> >> >> You're a propoganda shill.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
> >> >> > showing
> >&g

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

>
>> >>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally
>> different
>> >>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda
>> campain
>> >>> > going
>> >>> > on here.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the
>> filtering
>> >>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
>> >>> > have to
>> >>> > continue being unhappy.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>> >>> >> discussing
>> >>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>> >>> >> about
>> >>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is-
>> right,
>> >>> >> from
>> >>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more
>> sophisticated
>> >>> >> arguments.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.
>>  You
>> >>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're
>> doing
>> >>> >> is a
>> >>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Grow up.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -Original Message-
>> >>> >> From: ghost 
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> >>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> >>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>> >>> >> > showing
>> >>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected
>> the
>> >>> >> > footage
>> >>> >> > and none have contested it.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> >>> >> > considering
>> >>> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake,
>> as
>> >>> >> > it
>> >>> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage
>> was
>> >>> >> > fake
>> >>> >> > or
>> >>> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> ___
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

>>"I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one."

there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews !=
sionist

and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free
propaganda like Avraham does

Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact :
Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that
one,
but i see you comming "no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around
the border and kill innocent israelis"
Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called
terrorist.
Also for your information, the true meaning of the word "terrorist" is very
close to mercenary.
A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you
protest with weapons agains palestinian ?

See propaganda starts right here :)




2009/1/18 ghost 

> lmao! OH I GET IT!
>
> See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it.
>
> BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW
>
> then everything you say is a complete lie and made up.
>
> You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > Here you go -
> > http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
> > http://tinyurl.com/lu4et
> >
> >
> > Have fun reading facts...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a
> British
> >> jurnalist that says:
> >> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the
> new
> >> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of
> its
> >> arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
> >>
> >> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> >> Palestinians - really credible...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
> >>>
> >>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
> >>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
> >>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
> >>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
> >>>
> >>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
> >>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
> >>> unstable.
> >>>
> >>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
> >>> > cared
> >>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
> >>> > topic
> >>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
> >>> >
> >>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
> >>> > following it
> >>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
> >>> >
> >>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally
> different
> >>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda
> campain
> >>> > going
> >>> > on here.
> >>> >
> >>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the
> filtering
> >>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
> >>> > have to
> >>> > continue being unhappy.
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
> >>> >> discussing
> >>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
> >>> >> about
> >>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is-
> right,
> >>> >> from
> >>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> >>> >> arguments.
> >>> >>
> &g

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

lmao! OH I GET IT!

See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it.

BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW

then everything you say is a complete lie and made up.

You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> Here you go -
> http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
> http://tinyurl.com/lu4et
>
>
> Have fun reading facts...
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
>>
>> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
>> jurnalist that says:
>> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
>> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
>> arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
>>
>> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
>> Palestinians - really credible...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>>>
>>> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>>>
>>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
>>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
>>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
>>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>>>
>>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
>>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
>>> unstable.
>>>
>>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
>>> > cared
>>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
>>> > topic
>>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
>>> >
>>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been
>>> > following it
>>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>>> >
>>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
>>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
>>> > going
>>> > on here.
>>> >
>>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
>>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will
>>> > have to
>>> > continue being unhappy.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>>> >> discussing
>>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>>> >> about
>>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
>>> >> from
>>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
>>> >> arguments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
>>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing
>>> >> is a
>>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>>> >>
>>> >> Grow up.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message-
>>> >> From: ghost 
>>> >>
>>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>>> >> > showing
>>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>>> >

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

Typical zionist scum response, when faced with facts he can't handle
he claims its all made up.

You're nothing but a shill, which is proven by the company you work
for, i'm sure you didn't get that job because you were a jew either...
right?

Pathetic.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
> jurnalist that says:
> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
> arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk "
>
> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> Palestinians - really credible...
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>>
>> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>>
>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>>
>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
>> unstable.
>>
>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
>> > cared
>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
>> > topic
>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
>> >
>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
>> > it
>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>> >
>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
>> > going
>> > on here.
>> >
>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
>> > to
>> > continue being unhappy.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>> >> discussing
>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>> >> about
>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
>> >> from
>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
>> >> arguments.
>> >>
>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
>> >> a
>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>> >>
>> >> Grow up.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: ghost 
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>> >> > showing
>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>> >> > footage
>> >> > and none have contested it.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> >> > considering
>> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
>> >> > it
>> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >> >
>> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
>> >> > fake
>> >> > or
>> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> ___
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Here you go -
http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5
http://tinyurl.com/lu4et*

*
Have fun reading facts...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider <
avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:

> sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
> jurnalist that says:
> "I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
> factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
> arguments around the world. 
> *paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*"
>
> Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
> Palestinians - really credible...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>>
>> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>>
>> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
>> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
>> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
>> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>>
>> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
>> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
>> unstable.
>>
>> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really
>> cared
>> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
>> topic
>> > out - especially since you use gmail...
>> >
>> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
>> it
>> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>> >
>> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
>> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
>> going
>> > on here.
>> >
>> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
>> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
>> to
>> > continue being unhappy.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
>> discussing
>> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
>> about
>> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
>> from
>> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
>> >> arguments.
>> >>
>> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
>> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
>> a
>> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>> >>
>> >> Grow up.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: ghost 
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> >> To: Full Disclosure
>> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> >> You're a propoganda shill.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
>> showing
>> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>> >> > footage
>> >> > and none have contested it.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> >> > considering
>> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
>> it
>> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >> >
>> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
>> fake
>> >> > or
>> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British
jurnalist that says:
"I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new
factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its
arguments around the world.
*paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk*"

Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of
Palestinians - really credible...


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost  wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
>
> http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
>
> Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
> israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
> propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
> SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!
>
> Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
> are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
> unstable.
>
> Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
> > that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the
> topic
> > out - especially since you use gmail...
> >
> > It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following
> it
> > so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
> >
> > I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
> > reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain
> going
> > on here.
> >
> > I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
> > advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have
> to
> > continue being unhappy.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
> >>
> >> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop
> discussing
> >> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be
> about
> >> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right,
> from
> >> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> >> arguments.
> >>
> >> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
> >> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is
> a
> >> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
> >>
> >> Grow up.
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: ghost 
> >>
> >> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> >> To: Full Disclosure
> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
> >>
> >>
> >> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> >> You're a propoganda shill.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft,
> showing
> >> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> >> > footage
> >> > and none have contested it.
> >> >
> >> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> >> > considering
> >> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as
> it
> >> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >> >
> >> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was
> fake
> >> > or
> >> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp

Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against
israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and
propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO
SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine!

Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they
are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally
unstable.

Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
> that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic
> out - especially since you use gmail...
>
> It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it
> so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.
>
> I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
> reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going
> on here.
>
> I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
> advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to
> continue being unhappy.
>
> Cheers.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing
>> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about
>> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from
>> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
>> arguments.
>>
>> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You
>> guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a
>> waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>>
>> Grow up.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ghost 
>>
>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
>> To: Full Disclosure
>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>>
>>
>> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> You're a propoganda shill.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
>> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>> > footage
>> > and none have contested it.
>> >
>> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> > considering
>> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
>> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >
>> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
>> > or
>> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared
that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic
out - especially since you use gmail...

It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it
so far, and even bothered responding to the thread.

I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different
reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going
on here.

I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering
advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to
continue being unhappy.

Cheers.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM,  wrote:

> Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing
> politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about
> compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from
> here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated
> arguments.
>
> Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You guys
> aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste
> of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.
>
> Grow up.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ghost 
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01
> To: Full Disclosure
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>
>
> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> You're a propoganda shill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Prototype This]

Yes we think IDF need to produce fake footage . and it you and your
country that need to visit Hitler s Oven again not a doctor. It good
all the zionist are joining in once place. So the next Hitler burn all
at once and for good.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider :
> If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit
> your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost  wrote:
>>
>> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
>> You're a propoganda shill.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
>> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
>> > footage
>> > and none have contested it.
>> >
>> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
>> > considering
>> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
>> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
>> >
>> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
>> > or
>> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>> >
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[them . root]

Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides:  stop discussing 
politics on FD.  I was under the impression this was supposed to be about 
compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast.  Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here 
it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments.

Understand?  Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one.  You guys 
aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of 
time and lowering the noise to signal ratio.

Grow up.
 
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-Original Message-
From: ghost 

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 
To: Full Disclosure
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine


The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
You're a propoganda shill.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
> and none have contested it.
>
> It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
> the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> would be shooting itself in the foot.
>
> In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
> not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

If you really think the IDF needs to produce fake footage, you should visit
your doctor and ask for reevaluation of your prescription medications.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, ghost  wrote:

> The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
> You're a propoganda shill.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

yes, and Santa Claus really exists.



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Prototype This wrote:

> HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a
> little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their
> daddy did .
> Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole
> universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco.
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider :
> > The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> > terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the
> footage
> > and none have contested it.
> >
> > It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and
> considering
> > the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> > would be shooting itself in the foot.
> >
> > In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake
> or
> > not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> >> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> >> > >
> >> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >> >
> >>
> >> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
> >>
> >> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Prototype This]

HAHAHA. Even the pentagon faked the 9/11 . So dont tell us that a
little group of stupid zionists will not follow the same mistake their
daddy did .
Israel took down the WTC and has the weakest army in the whole
universe. IF you didnt had planes. Israel will be just like monaco.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider :
> The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
> and none have contested it.
>
> It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
> the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> would be shooting itself in the foot.
>
> In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
> not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
>> > > You're doctrinated, man!
>> > >
>> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
>> >
>>
>> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
>>
>> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

The IDF would not release anything fake? LMAO! That takes the cake.
You're a propoganda shill.


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
> terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
> and none have contested it.
>
> It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
> the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
> would be shooting itself in the foot.
>
> In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
> not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.
>

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> > >
> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >
>
> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
>
> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
>
nope. I am not hiding behind any ID - it's my real name.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

The IDF released footage from a remote controlled spy aircarft, showing
terrorists shooting from a UN building - experts have inspected the footage
and none have contested it.

It's not that difficult to find out if it was fake or not - and considering
the IDF released it, they would not risk releasing anything fake, as it
would be shooting itself in the foot.

In general I agree, unless you can easily detect if the footage was fake or
not, videos on youtube are not reliable sources.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > > You're doctrinated, man!
> > >
> > You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
> >
>
> lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...
>
> btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?
>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Georgi Guninski]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:42:33AM +0200, Avraham Schneider wrote:
> > You're doctrinated, man!
> >
> You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.
>

lolz, if videos on youtube are reliable sources you must trust me...

btw, are you the new id of "n3td3v" ?


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Mainbox Notif]

I wish life had a roll-back function.
Then I went back to 1939.

The israeli create an environment, or a climate, for hate.
I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one.

At the moment we have as much jews as befóre WO 2.
It all have to start again.

Yes , I know,  that are very crude words.
But people like Schneider ask for this hate.

Schneider, I do not wish you dead.
I wish that some 'terrorist' take your home, your country, your everything.
Then they let you suffering until you are dead.

Your replies ask for this.

I think I just became an antisemitist.
Schnieder, thanks for that (not) !!

And again: stop annoying me private!

Schneider, do you want some gas?


2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

> This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work
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> thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different
> subject.
>
> We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews wrote:
>
>> Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider <
>> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> s/neiboring/neighboring/g
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider <
>>> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier wrote:

> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted
> ?
> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven
> by that .
>
 There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any
 of the surrounding arab countries?
 Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his
 time - even if he was a minister, or a president.
 This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
 neiboring arab countries should adopt.



>
> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
> >No I don't.
>
> i understand that :)
>
> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>
 I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with
 that, you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for
 your health...


>
>
>
>
>  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>
>>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>>> you dont answer on any real questions
>>
>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>
>>
>>> , you say always the same stuff
>>
>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>
>>
>>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
>>> die
>>
>> When did I say that?
>>
>>
>>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>> just  your polititian.
>>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>
>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>>
>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>> propaganda.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>
>> No I don't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>
 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
 you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
 being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier 
 wrote:

>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
> Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>> Israeli's have.
>>
>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or n

Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[andrew . wallace]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, James Matthews  wrote:
> Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?

I wonder how many people are going to cut ties with Gadi Evron after this.
Funsec hasn't had a new post in several days...
Last message date: Thu Jan 15 10:07:15 CST 2009
http://www.linuxbox.org/pipermail/funsec/2009-January/thread.html

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

This mailing list, and any other un-moderated list for that matter, work
asynchronously - i.e. you can always post a security related message on this
thread, or open a new thread by composing an e-mail with a different
subject.

We are not blocking and you don't need our permission to do so.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM, James Matthews wrote:

> Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> s/neiboring/neighboring/g
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider <
>> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
 >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
 Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
 Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven
 by that .

>>> There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any
>>> of the surrounding arab countries?
>>> Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time
>>> - even if he was a minister, or a president.
>>> This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
>>> neiboring arab countries should adopt.
>>>
>>>
>>>

 >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
 >No I don't.

 i understand that :)

 Die slowly with lots of pain.

>>> I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
>>> you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
>>> health...
>>>
>>>




  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>
>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>> you dont answer on any real questions
>
> You obviously ignore everything I write
>
>
>> , you say always the same stuff
>
> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>
>
>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
>> die
>
> When did I say that?
>
>
>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>
> Great!
>
>
>> just  your polititian.
>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>
> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>
>
>>
>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>
> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
> propaganda.
>
>
>>
>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>
> No I don't.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>>
>>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
>>> you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
>>> being a
>>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>
>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>> Israeli's have.
>
> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
> questions.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>
>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>
> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
> from there.
>
>
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>>>
>>
>


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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[James Matthews]

Now that the conflict is over can we get back to security?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avraham Schneider  wrote:

> s/neiboring/neighboring/g
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider <
> avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
>>> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven
>>> by that .
>>>
>> There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
>> the surrounding arab countries?
>> Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time
>> - even if he was a minister, or a president.
>> This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
>> neiboring arab countries should adopt.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>> >No I don't.
>>>
>>> i understand that :)
>>>
>>> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>>>
>> I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
>> you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
>> health...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:

> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
> you dont answer on any real questions

 You obviously ignore everything I write


> , you say always the same stuff

 No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
> die

 When did I say that?


> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

 Great!


> just  your polititian.
> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.

 You can go to the Kneset website and find out.


>
> and what you still  promoting them ?

 Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
 propaganda.


>
> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>
 No I don't.


>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>
>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
>> you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to 
>> being a
>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>
>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18
>>> Avraham Schneider 
>>>


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>
> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
> Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.


>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
 from there.


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>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>



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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

s/neiboring/neighboring/g

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Avraham Schneider  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
>> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven by
>> that .
>>
> There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
> the surrounding arab countries?
> Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
> even if he was a minister, or a president.
> This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
> neiboring arab countries should adopt.
>
>
>
>>
>> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>> >No I don't.
>>
>> i understand that :)
>>
>> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>>
> I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
> you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
> health...
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
 haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
 You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
 you dont answer on any real questions
>>>
>>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>>
>>>
 , you say always the same stuff
>>>
>>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>>
>>>
 , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should
 die
>>>
>>> When did I say that?
>>>
>>>
 , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>
 just  your polititian.
 Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
 didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>>
>>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>>
>>>

 and what you still  promoting them ?
>>>
>>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>>> propaganda.
>>>
>>>

 Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?

>>> No I don't.
>>>
>>>





 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>
> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to
> you, or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being 
> a
> Computer Security Mailing List?
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>
>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>> Schneider 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.
>>>
>>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>>> questions.
>>>
>>>


 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>
>>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
>>> from there.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:18 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
> Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
> Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven by
> that .
>
There is corruption everywere - you think there is no corruption in any of
the surrounding arab countries?
Israel has a legal system and when one is found corrupt, he pays his time -
even if he was a minister, or a president.
This is something that can only happen in a democracy - something the
neiboring arab countries should adopt.



>
> >>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
> >No I don't.
>
> i understand that :)
>
> Die slowly with lots of pain.
>
I plan to live on for many more years... If you have a problem with that,
you can try and change that but I don't think that would be good for your
health...


>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>>> you dont answer on any real questions
>>
>> You obviously ignore everything I write
>>
>>
>>> , you say always the same stuff
>>
>> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>>
>>
>>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die
>>
>> When did I say that?
>>
>>
>>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>> just  your polititian.
>>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who
>>> didn't end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>>
>> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>>
>> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
>> propaganda.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>>
>> No I don't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>>
 I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

 Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
 or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
 Computer Security Mailing List?

 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:

>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
> Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>>> Israeli's have.
>>
>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>
>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>
>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers
>> from there.
>>
>>
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>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

>You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
Oh so there's  a website dedicated to the one who didn't get corrupted ?
Oh come on , you know what i'm talking about your ""country"" is driven by
that .
>>Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>No I don't.

i understand that :)

Die slowly with lots of pain.



2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
>> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
>> you dont answer on any real questions
>
> You obviously ignore everything I write
>
>
>> , you say always the same stuff
>
> No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.
>
>
>> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die
>
> When did I say that?
>
>
>> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,
>
> Great!
>
>
>> just  your polititian.
>> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
>> end up his mandate with corruption charges.
>
> You can go to the Kneset website and find out.
>
>
>>
>> and what you still  promoting them ?
>
> Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
> propaganda.
>
>
>>
>> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>>
> No I don't.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>>
>>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>>
>>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
>>> or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
>>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>>
  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
 Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>
>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
>> Israeli's have.
>
> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
> questions.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>
>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>
> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
> there.
>
>
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>


>>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
> You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
> you dont answer on any real questions

You obviously ignore everything I write


> , you say always the same stuff

No - I answer your questions, and I correct false claims made by you.


> , aka yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die

When did I say that?


> , but know what , not talking about war anymore here,

Great!


> just  your polititian.
> Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
> end up his mandate with corruption charges.

You can go to the Kneset website and find out.


>
> and what you still  promoting them ?

Not promoting any of them - just responding to your false claims and
propaganda.


>
> Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?
>
No I don't.


>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>>
>> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you,
>> or you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a
>> Computer Security Mailing List?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>>> Schneider 
>>>


 On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
 andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>
> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
> Israeli's have.

 During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
 questions.


>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

 Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
 there.


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>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

haha, how much time this took you to say that ?
You're paied to make propaganda on FD this more than clear.
you dont answer on any real questions, you say always the same stuff, aka
yeah but hamas was elected by palestinian so palestinian should die, but
know what , not talking about war anymore here, just  your polititian.
Give me just one name of an isreali president or first minister who didn't
end up his mandate with corruption charges.
and what you still  promoting them ?

Oh Oh Oh, you dont like to play the propaganda game with me ?





2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

> I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...
>
> Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or
> you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer
> Security Mailing List?
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.2009/1/18 Avraham
>> Schneider 
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.
>>>
>>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>>> questions.
>>>
>>>


 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>>
>>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
>>> there.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:36 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> You're fake dude.
>
> You're defending blindly what's not defendable, and you're not dumb enought
> for that, so you're paid by someone.
>
If blindly is defined giving you clear facts - and not defendable is defined
as self defense...

Regarding the being paid statement, it is something that would be very
difficult for me to disprove, and since it has nothing to do with the facts
- I won't bother. Besides, if anyone wants to send me money for this - I
will take it gladly, I accept paypal/cash/money order, you name it... :-)

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
>>> Israel
>>>
>>> Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.
>>>
>>> Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
>>> phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
>>> school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.
>>>
>> The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
>> civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
>> Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
>> enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.
>>
>> No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
>> warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
>> it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
>> homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.
>>
>> Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
>>> wasn't pro war/revenge.
>>>
>> They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
>> think that would be a good start.
>>
>>>
>>> So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to
>>> you ?
>>> not much eh ?
>>>
>> If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.
>>
>>>
>>> Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
>>>
>> Look up the definition in the dictionary.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
>>> killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
>>> segfaulted :
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
>>> This remind you something ?
>>>
>> How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
>> Besides - it "was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the 
>> Lebanese
>> Forces  militia group" -
>> i.e. -not by Israel-.
>>
>> You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at
>> them - so your whole argument is pointless.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
>>> legit to killed anyone ?
>>>
>> It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
>> cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
>> on.
>>
>> And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
>> justifies killing those that fire at you.
>>
>>
>>> And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?
>>>
>> They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
>> the IDF will fire back at them.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 
>>>
 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

 I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the
 Israeli's have.

 On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
  wrote:
 > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

 Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

I guess I can't prove that I don't, so what can I say...

Do you have anything you find incorrect in what I have responded to you, or
you are done with your nonsense and the list can go back to being a Computer
Security Mailing List?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>  You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.
>
> 2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
>> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>>> have.
>>
>> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking
>> questions.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>
>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>>
>> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
>> there.
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyC-z0b6L5Y


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:21 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
> Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
> We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
> palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now
>
> Please wake up dude.
>
>
> 2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl 
>
>> --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 "andrew.wallace"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
>> > shield. Israel did.
>>
>> Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
>> fired upon.
>>
>> Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
>> them all.
>>
>> Now please take this scrum off list.
>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

>
>
> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
>>
>
>> > Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
>> > and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
>> > being killed.
>>
>
> Do you really believe that civilians go to an area they being warned that
> the israeli going to attack?
> Should you do that?
> Saying to your children: "Oh, it's almost 8 PM, we have to go to the
> mainstreet: look at the fireworks from the israeli soldiers. "
> You believe that? Stupid asshole
>
You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.


>
>
>
> > If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
>> > would not use them as human shields
>>
>
> Yep, thats right! They don't do that. Thats israeli news. Not independent.
> You're doctrinated, man!
>
You can find videos on youtube if you don't beieve me.

>
>
>
>>  > If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
>> > terrorist organization, for government
>>
>
> No, they HAVE to elect Hamas. Thats the only way to do something against
> the occupiers: fight back!
>
Hamas was designated as a terrorist organization for a reason.
Fight back? Israel has left Gaza 8 years ago, what reason do they have to
'fight back'?
And how, by firing at civilian targets?


>
>
>
>> > and they would not climb to
>> > rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
>> see
>> > civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save
>> the
>> > weapons stored at the building).
>>
>
> Yes, they would not. And they do not! Read independent papers, or watch
> independent news. Not the israeli propaganda. You should known better!
>
You can find videos on youtube.


>
>
> It's not possible to discuss with indoctrinated people.
> But I will do my best.
>
Why on a computer security mailing list?

>
> But in the list, mr Schneider, stop annoying me private!
>
When you send me private e-mails, I reply in private.



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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

You're fake dude.

You're defending blindly what's not defendable, and you're not dumb enought
for that, so you're paid by someone.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
>> Israel
>>
>> Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.
>>
>> Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
>> phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
>> school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.
>>
> The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
> civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
> Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
> enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.
>
> No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
> warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
> it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
> homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.
>
> Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
>> wasn't pro war/revenge.
>>
> They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
> think that would be a good start.
>
>>
>> So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
>> ?
>> not much eh ?
>>
> If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.
>
>>
>> Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
>>
> Look up the definition in the dictionary.
>
>
>>
>> And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
>> killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
>> segfaulted :
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
>> This remind you something ?
>>
> How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
> Besides - it "was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Lebanese
> Forces  militia group" -
> i.e. -not by Israel-.
>
> You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at them
> - so your whole argument is pointless.
>
>
>>
>> Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
>> legit to killed anyone ?
>>
> It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
> cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
> on.
>
> And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
> justifies killing those that fire at you.
>
>
>> And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?
>>
> They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
> the IDF will fire back at them.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>>
>>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>>> have.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>>  wrote:
>>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>>
>>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:10 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

>  wrote:
>
> Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
> Israel
>
> Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.
>
> Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
> phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
> school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.
>
The IDF didn't kill 1000 civilians - some civilians have died, many
civilians have died, but that is only because of Hamas.
Israel has the right to defend itself, and that includes firing at it's
enemy -even if they use civilians as shields-.

No other country in the world makes a qaurter of a milion phone calls to
warn civilians to leave an area that is going to be bombed before they bomb
it during battle. Especially when those civilians store weapons in their
homes and/or have weapon smugling tunnels underground.

Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
> wasn't pro war/revenge.
>
They could instead choose they want peace, stop firing rockets at us, I
think that would be a good start.

>
> So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
> ?
> not much eh ?
>
If the Palestinian is a terrorist, there is no difference.

>
> Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
>
Look up the definition in the dictionary.


>
> And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
> killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
> segfaulted :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
> This remind you something ?
>
How does this have anything to do with rockets being fired at Israel?
Besides - it "was carried out between 16 and 18 September 1982 by the Lebanese
Forces  militia group" - i.e.
-not by Israel-.

You should blame them for it - and I don't see Hamas firing rockets at them
- so your whole argument is pointless.


>
> Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
> legit to killed anyone ?
>
It's not 5 rockets - it's a daily bombardment of rockets fired at Israeli
cities with people that need to run to the shelters whenever the alarm goes
on.

And yes, even 1 rocket fired across your borders from an enemy entity
justifies killing those that fire at you.


> And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?
>
They can talk as much as they want, but if they fire at Israeli civilians,
the IDF will fire back at them.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 
>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>
>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>> have.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>
>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

 You are paid to say that Avraham, and it's a shame.

2009/1/18 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
> andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>>
>> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
>> have.
>
> During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>>
>> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
>
> Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
> there.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:00 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>
> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
> have.

During war, when you are fired at, you shoot back without asking questions.


>
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

Then they should make sure that no terrorists fire at IDF soldiers from
there.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Prototype This  wrote:

> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
> > Show me 1 country that would act differently.
> >
> > The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
> > building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war
> from
> > a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
> or
> > not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
> >
> > Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
> > and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
> > being killed.
> They cannot leave in normal time , so how could they leave in war time

Why don't they leave to Egypt or any other Arab country for that matter...?
Regardless, they can and should leave the area that is being bombed, and
flee to a different area that is not (yet) being bombed.
That's the smart thing to do...

>
> ?? Israel did a holocaust and i pray the next missile hamas fire it
> will land on you and let you disabled for the rest of your life. you
> are stupid brainwashed person.

You are not helping your credibility with these sort of statements.


>
>
> > It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.
> >
> > If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
> > would not use them as human shields.
>
> > If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
> > terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
> > rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
> see
> > civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
> > weapons stored at the building).
>
> Israel is the terrorist state , since the beginning it had no 1 year
> of peace. So dont tell me all the others are bad. It Israel who is a
> pest to this world

Why do make empty statements and place them as a reply to facts I have
stated  - do you contest what I have written just above your response?

How does the fact that Israel want peace since before it's establishment and
the Arabs chose war every time they thought they could win (and lost) - make
Israel a terrorist state?
I think you should look up the word 'terror' in the dictionary - read up
other words while you are at it, your English needs improvement in general.


> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> >> shield. Israel did.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > What do you consider as war crimes?
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
> >
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[ghost]

yes, let me make a point favoring my political views then say take it
off the list... that's smart!

israel deserves to be wiped off the map, and America should be first
in line to do it. We do nothing but support israel and look where it
has landed us. Not only has it landed us at war with israeli's enemies
but it also has landed us as having to guard our intelligence from
israel because the scum spy on us more than any other country. If you
support the zionist scum then you deserve what they deserve.

Long Live Palestine.

...now take this discussion off list.

lol


On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Paul Schmehl  wrote:

>
> Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
> fired upon.
>
> Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
> them all.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now

Please wake up dude.


2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl 

> --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 "andrew.wallace"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> > shield. Israel did.
>
> Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
> fired upon.
>
> Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
> them all.
>
> Now please take this scrum off list.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

Okay so hamas are totally the bad guys.But let's reverse this out.
Who have stolen them land via some warsss around ?
We do not talk about british land taken from the otoman or so , just
palestine how it was in 1948 and how it is now

Please wake up dude.


2009/1/17 Paul Schmehl 

> --On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 "andrew.wallace"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> > shield. Israel did.
>
> Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being
> fired upon.
>
> Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog
> them all.
>
> Now please take this scrum off list.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Paul Schmehl]

--On January 17, 2009 5:41:15 PM -0600 "andrew.wallace" 
 wrote:

>
> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> shield. Israel did.

Yes, you do.  The civilians have become legal combatants if you are being 
fired upon.

Hamas is guilty of so many war crimes it would be impossible to catalog 
them all.

Now please take this scrum off list.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

This makes no sens at all, i'm sure he's payed to push some propaganda on FD

2009/1/17 Mainbox Notif 

> This is an automatic respons.
>
> I'm not interested anymore in this discussion. That's the reason I
> filtered this messages in my mailprogram.
>
> I'm not interested because it is not possible to convince indoctrinated
> people.
>
> The israeli can not understand how it feels when others take your
> home, your house and your country.
> If your enemy is stronger, and their army is more powerfull and
> advanced, you can become desperate.
> So deperate that you commit suicide and take some jews with you. Thats
> the only thing left.
>
> I fully understand the Palestinian. And I will support them as long as I
> can.
>
> I 'm always there for a good discussion. But convincing indoctrinated
> people is not possible. As long as they mingle facts with believe it
> is not possible to discuss with them.
> The problem with indoctrination is that the indoctrinated people don't
> know that they are indoctrinated.
>
> Read the papers, see the news. From independent sources (i.e. not
> palestinian nor israeli) and think again.
>
> Let it be clear: I do not hate jews. I hate israeli.
> You know what 'hate' means: wishing them dead. Or: in my case: wishing
> them suffering, and then dead.
> That frustrates me, so I decided to block the discussion about the
> israeli occupation.
>
> Apologize for my english.
>
> [sarcastic]There are so many jews now, that we are at the same level
> befóre the Second World War.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

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See the Red Cross Website about the civilians:
http://www.icrc.org/eng
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2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
>

> > Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
> > and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
> > being killed.
>

Do you really believe that civilians go to an area they being warned that
the israeli going to attack?
Should you do that?
Saying to your children: "Oh, it's almost 8 PM, we have to go to the
mainstreet: look at the fireworks from the israeli soldiers. "
You believe that? Stupid asshole


> If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
> > would not use them as human shields
>

Yep, thats right! They don't do that. Thats israeli news. Not independent.
You're doctrinated, man!


>  > If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
> > terrorist organization, for government
>

No, they HAVE to elect Hamas. Thats the only way to do something against the
occupiers: fight back!


> > and they would not climb to
> > rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they
> see
> > civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
> > weapons stored at the building).
>

Yes, they would not. And they do not! Read independent papers, or watch
independent news. Not the israeli propaganda. You should known better!

It's not possible to discuss with indoctrinated people.
But I will do my best.
But in the list, mr Schneider, stop annoying me private!







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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

 wrote:

Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
Israel

Sure it's always more fun when you can fire at them like rabbits.

Hamas are really bad terrorists, after tsahal killed 1000 civilians with
phosphore bombs, it's sure that 7 home made rocket fired with some old
school pipe and a cheap compas, makes the difference.

Anyways more you bombs them, more they want  revenge, even the ones who
wasn't pro war/revenge.
So what's make the difference between a palestinian and a terrorist to you
?
not much eh ?
Well, thats why we can call that again a genocide.
And know what ? your argument about poor innocent israeli people who got
killed by rockets throwed near the border by bad palestinian terrorists got
segfaulted :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila
This remind you something ?

Oh i guess it's because they've throw 5 rockets near the border  so it's
legit to killed anyone ?
And you expect them to shut the fuck up ?






2009/1/17 andrew. wallace 

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building
>
> I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's
> have.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.
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[andrew . wallace]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building

I find that hard to believe with the amount of intelligence the Israeli's have.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

Of course there are civilians inside its a UN building.

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2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider :
> Show me 1 country that would act differently.
>
> The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
> building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war from
> a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building or
> not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.
>
> Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
> and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
> being killed.
They cannot leave in normal time , so how could they leave in war time
?? Israel did a holocaust and i pray the next missile hamas fire it
will land on you and let you disabled for the rest of your life. you
are stupid brainwashed person.

> It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.
>
> If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
> would not use them as human shields.

> If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
> terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
> rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they see
> civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
> weapons stored at the building).

Israel is the terrorist state , since the beginning it had no 1 year
of peace. So dont tell me all the others are bad. It Israel who is a
pest to this world
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace
>  wrote:
>>
>> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
>> shield. Israel did.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > What do you consider as war crimes?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
>> >  wrote:
>> > Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Show me 1 country that would act differently.

The soldiers who returned fire did not know there were civilians in the
building. They were responding to fire being shot at them during a war from
a building - they don't have the time to find out if it is a UN building or
not and/or if there are civilians inside or not.

Civilians who decide to stay in a war zone after being warned to leave
and/or stay next to terrorists firing rockets at Israelis are at risk of
being killed.

It is one of the sad facts of war - people die.

If the Palestinian terrorist groups cared so much for their fellows, they
would not use them as human shields.

If these civilians were smarter, they would not have elected Hamas, a
terrorist organization, for government - and they would not climb to
rooftops expecting Israeli fighter jets to not bomb the building as they see
civilians, trying to prevent the building from being bombed (and save the
weapons stored at the building).



On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
> shield. Israel did.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > What do you consider as war crimes?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> > Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[andrew . wallace]

If the enemy creates a human shield, you don't fire into the human
shield. Israel did.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> What do you consider as war crimes?
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace
>  wrote:
> Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

Just hours after the cease-fire announcement Hamas fired 7 rockets into
Israel - I find it hard to believe Israel will pull out of Gaza any time
soon...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:27 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> I've heard analysts say the ceasefire was always planned for tonight
> ahead of Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
> >>  wrote:
> >> > I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good
> work.
> >>
> >> Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
> >> 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

considering this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI

I find the IDF much more credible than the UN.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> Yeah sure from the UN building.
> What was the excuse this time ?
> The palestinian janitor working in the building was hidding some weapon
> under his rag or what ?
>
> it's an UN building not a market place.
>
> Wake up dude you got brainwashed by tsahal once again
>
> 2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider 
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier wrote:
>>
>>> >>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
>>> I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
>>> terrorist too ?
>>
>> The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN
>> building, expecting Israel not to fire back.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[andrew . wallace]

I've heard analysts say the ceasefire was always planned for tonight
ahead of Barack Obama's inauguration on Tuesday.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace
>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>  wrote:
>> > I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>>
>> Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
>> 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

you don't seem to care for Hamas being charged for war crimes, do you? I
guess firing rockets for 8 years at civilian targets (actively trying to
kill civilians) does not count as a war crime for you.

What do you consider as war crimes? Protecting your own civilians from
terrorists hiding behind civilians and killing civilians by mistake?


On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:15 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:01 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> > the UN building.
> > What was the excuse this time ?
>
> Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[andrew . wallace]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:01 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> the UN building.
> What was the excuse this time ?

Hopefully Israel will get charged with war crimes.

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

until Hamas decides to fire at Israeli civilians again...

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:03 AM, andrew. wallace <
andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
>  wrote:
> > I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>
> Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
> 0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[andrew . wallace]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Avraham Schneider
 wrote:
> I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

Israel has achieved its aims and a unilateral ceasefire will start at
0200 (2400 GMT). - BBC

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[j-f sentier]

Yeah sure from the UN building.
What was the excuse this time ?
The palestinian janitor working in the building was hidding some weapon
under his rag or what ?

it's an UN building not a market place.

Wake up dude you got brainwashed by tsahal once again

2009/1/17 Avraham Schneider 

>
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>> >>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>>
>>
>> Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
>> I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
>> terrorist too ?
>
> The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN building,
> expecting Israel not to fire back.
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM, j-f sentier  wrote:

> >>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.
>
>
> Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
> I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
> terrorist too ?

The UN are not terrorists, the terrorists were firing from the UN building,
expecting Israel not to fire back.
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[j-f sentier]

>>I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.


Yeah sure, 1 hospital, 1 school, and the UN building.
I guess the ""terrorists"" was hidden in the UN building, or the UN are
terrorist too ?
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine

[Avraham Schneider]

more than 60% of them armed terrorists hiding in a dense civilian area -
some of them dressed up as doctors and shooting from UN and red-cross
buildings.

I think Israel is doing good so far, they should keep up the good work.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Handrix  wrote:

> Yes, as you say Mainbox.
>
> Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
> after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mainbox Notif wrote:
>
>> Goodmorning everybody!
>> I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
>> And it is a beautifull day!
>> A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!
>>
>>
>>
>> (Oh please Schmehl and Schneider (Whats in a name...),
>> do reply.
>> :)
>> ]
>>
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[Prototype This]

It a pity that Hitler didn't got the novel prize of peace. Zionist
always are searching for problems from the time of prophets till
nowadays. Hitler , Franco , Stalin , and now hamas all knew that
without Zionist no war could happen.

2009/1/17 Handrix :
> Yes, as you say Mainbox.
>
> Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
> after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:
>>
>> Goodmorning everybody!
>> I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
>> And it is a beautifull day!
>> A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!
>>
>>
>>
>> (Oh please Schmehl and Schneider (Whats in a name...),
>> do reply.
>> :)
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[Handrix]

Yes, as you say Mainbox.

Today Ehud Olmert said that he loved gaza's children,.
after 22 days of war and deaths of more than 1,200 Palestinians.


On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mainbox Notif  wrote:

> Goodmorning everybody!
> I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
> And it is a beautifull day!
> A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!
>
>
>
> (Oh please Schmehl and Schneider (Whats in a name...),
> do reply.
> :)
> ]
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[Mainbox Notif]

Goodmorning everybody!
I dont know the time at yours, but here it is morning.
And it is a beautifull day!
A beautifull day for killing some israelian monkeys!



(Oh please Schmehl and Schneider (Whats in a name...),
do reply.
:)
]

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[Jan G.B.]

At least I'm not an alias.
I just couldn't hold back any longer after reading your bullshit for month.

2009/1/9 n3td3v :
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>> Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all
>
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[j-f sentier]

When you have a look at his answer timeline, you are an idiot if you do not
notice that he doesn't work for an employer.
He's located in his father basement, and doesn't know what to do while the
others are working
So he spam his anger aways while despairing the day he will go on purpose
for some job until he understand that no one wants him.

This predilection is based on a real future true story.
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[Ureleet]

1999?  yeah, uh, i had a career in this field 4 YEARS before u even
got a computer.  moron.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:21 PM, n3td3v  wrote:
> 10 years ago
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Prototype This  wrote:
>> N3tsh1t.
>> Why you speak like you are an 3rd person . You know if you ever burn
>> you face , you can ask doctors to move your ass skin to your face .
>> BECAUSE THAT WHAT YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE. You think you are smart but in
>> fact i think you just discovered computer 2 or 3 years ago. make
>> something interesting or Shut the fuck off.
>>
>> 2009/1/9 n3td3v :
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
 Ya well, 3/4 of this list doesn't like you at all
>>>
>>> A few aliases who have never talked about security you mean and just
>>> look to stir up trouble and harass the founder of n3td3v
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[Ureleet]

nope, thats my job.  u suck.  every1 needs to know that andrew wallace
is a big fuckstick.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:44 PM, n3td3v  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>> 2009/1/9 n3td3v 
>>>
>>> If 30 means teenager.
>>
>>
>> So you reconized in some way that you're really retarded =)
>
> At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[Ureleet]

u abuse me.  i cry myself 2 sleep at night.

of laughter.

@ u.

moron.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:44 PM, n3td3v  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>>
>>> At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
>>> just abuse people :)
>>
>> Nop you talk about shit as usual, and yes you're abusing everyones email
>> with your spam-crap-troll.
>> Just get the fuck back on your kiddy mailing-list, and we will be very very
>> happy, believe me ;)
>
>
> I don't abuse anyone
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[Ureleet]

wait.  ur 30?  a dropout, and u have no job.  ur life consists of trolling fd.

say hi 2 ur mom 4 me.  i am sure u still live in her basement.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, n3td3v  wrote:
> If 30 means teenager.
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>> "You've got a long time to wait then ;)"
>> I knew you was a some kind of teenager powered by acne:)
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/9 n3td3v 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ureleet  wrote:
>>> >  we simply care that u die.  slowly and painfully.
>>>
>>> You've got a long time to wait then ;) I'm just seeing how far you
>>> take your abuse, it won't be long until your brain degenerates enough
>>> and you start making actual threats.
>>>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[j-f sentier]

That's not what the 3/4 of this list are thinking.

We dont want you here, when that crappy propaganda conversation about
israel/palestine was going on, maybe it wasn't the right place to do such
crap, but at least we had a n3tcr4p break.

Keep in mind that no one wants you here.

2009/1/9 n3td3v 

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> >
> >> At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
> >> just abuse people :)
> >
> > Nop you talk about shit as usual, and yes you're abusing everyones email
> > with your spam-crap-troll.
> > Just get the fuck back on your kiddy mailing-list, and we will be very
> very
> > happy, believe me ;)
>
>
> I don't abuse anyone
>
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[n3td3v]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
>
>> At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
>> just abuse people :)
>
> Nop you talk about shit as usual, and yes you're abusing everyones email
> with your spam-crap-troll.
> Just get the fuck back on your kiddy mailing-list, and we will be very very
> happy, believe me ;)


I don't abuse anyone

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[j-f sentier]

> At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
> just abuse people :)
>

Nop you talk about shit as usual, and yes you're abusing everyones email
with your spam-crap-troll.
Just get the fuck back on your kiddy mailing-list, and we will be very very
happy, believe me ;)
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[n3td3v]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> 2009/1/9 n3td3v 
>>
>> If 30 means teenager.
>
>
> So you reconized in some way that you're really retarded =)

At least I talk about security on a security mailing list and don't
just abuse people :)

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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[j-f sentier]

2009/1/9 n3td3v 

> If 30 means teenager.


So you reconized in some way that you're really retarded =)

>
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> > "You've got a long time to wait then ;)"
> > I knew you was a some kind of teenager powered by acne:)
> >
> >
> > 2009/1/9 n3td3v 
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ureleet  wrote:
> >> >  we simply care that u die.  slowly and painfully.
> >>
> >> You've got a long time to wait then ;) I'm just seeing how far you
> >> take your abuse, it won't be long until your brain degenerates enough
> >> and you start making actual threats.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[n3td3v]

If 30 means teenager.

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:30 PM, j-f sentier  wrote:
> "You've got a long time to wait then ;)"
> I knew you was a some kind of teenager powered by acne:)
>
>
> 2009/1/9 n3td3v 
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ureleet  wrote:
>> >  we simply care that u die.  slowly and painfully.
>>
>> You've got a long time to wait then ;) I'm just seeing how far you
>> take your abuse, it won't be long until your brain degenerates enough
>> and you start making actual threats.
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Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine && Pointless noise.

[j-f sentier]

"You've got a long time to wait then ;)"
I knew you was a some kind of teenager powered by acne:)


2009/1/9 n3td3v 

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Ureleet  wrote:
> >  we simply care that u die.  slowly and painfully.
>
> You've got a long time to wait then ;) I'm just seeing how far you
> take your abuse, it won't be long until your brain degenerates enough
> and you start making actual threats.
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