Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Gene Merritt



On Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:39 PM, Luca Rescigno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good 
considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to 
spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that 
would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire 
cardbus)?


You might want to check out this great digital camera site:
DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY REVIEW.  Has lots of info. 

This is their general URL:

http://www.dpreview.com/

This is their review URL:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp

Good luck.

Gene


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread lee

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I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good
considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to
spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that
would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire
cardbus)?

I'm not sure what you want here, a firewire enabled camcorder, of 
which there are many. Or a digital camera, of which I am not sure any 
come with a firewire port. Assuming it is a digital camera you seek, 
look for one that uses a compact flash memory card, and just get a 
pcmcia adapter. I have found some of the best camera reviews on this 
website http://www.steves-digicam.com. Very thorough reviews. Prices 
can sometimes be out of date though. Your best bet is to find the 
features that are most important, then narrow down the field to your 
price range. You should be able to find at least a 2 megapixel camera 
for that price. Also, a quick check on the computer geeks web site 
revealed this camera 
http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MDC3000 for $199.00. I 
don't know anything about the mustek camera, but I have used there 
scanners before. They're ok, not the highest quality, but they get 
the job done.


Lee

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Philip

Hello,
Make sure to consider what you want to do with your photos.  If you plan to
make prints, you'll want to get the best resolution you can for your money.
I use mine solely for sending via email or to use on web pages.  I got the
low-end Sony (DSC-20, I think), and it's been great.  It has a USB cable to
connect it directly to my iBook.  Since I have OS X and iPhoto, as soon as I
plug in the cable, iPhoto fires up and is ready to go.  The LCD screen on
the cam is among the best I've seen.  Even friends with more expensive
digital cameras like the screen on mine better than their own.

Like another poster said, FireWire still cams are a rarity and is usually
reserved for digital video cams.  However you can get a FireWire digital
video cam with the ability to take still photos.

Have fun,
Philip

 
 -- 
 I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good
 considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to
 spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that
 would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire
 cardbus)?


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Ed Zelinsky

Luca,

I love my Coolpix 800 and there are some refurbished models left at
www.abesofmaine.com--they come with a 90 day warentee and cost  around
$230-  It is a 2.11 megapixel camera and that is a pretty good size. Also,
check out www.dpreview.com- it is a great digital camera review site!

Ed Zelinsky

Luca Rescigno wrote:

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 considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to
 spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that
 would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire
 cardbus)?

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Laurent Daudelin

On 15/04/02 11:22, patrick fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it.
 It has a lot of great, fine features. They have it at computergeeks for $339
 and it is USB, though. And it has an optical zoom. Very sweet camera. And it
 records movies!!!
 
 I think you can still get $20 off if you put Geek4700 in the specials box
 when you order.
 
 I would suggest at least 2.1 megapixel. At the very least. The price of
 cameras shoots up when you add an optical zoom onto it. You pay through the
 nose for that feature.
 
 Any most digital camera is good. What you should look for is features and
 cost. And there are excellent review sites on the internet. Find a camera and
 go to Google and type review and there are a handful of excellent camera
 review sites.

When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that
something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good
SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro
SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at
Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR,
you would have to plunk over $5000.

I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that
digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile
parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure).

Just a thought...

-Laurent.
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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread patrick fisher

 Good point. I wonder what the answer is to that. They should be cheaper. Maybe it
 is the CCD that costs so much. Still, I don't think they should cost as much as
 they do. On the other hand, prices are plummeting year by year.



 I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that
 digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile
 parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure).

 Just a thought...

 -Lau


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Brian McLeod

on 4/15/02 11:22 AM, patrick fisher at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it.

I have the Fuji 2600 and I also love it.

GREAT 2.1 megapixel photo quality, 3x optical zoom, 16 meg card,
rechargeable batteries AND charger all for $279.

Price performance ration is very solid here. It's a little plastic feeling
and the sliding lens cover is slightly annoying but these are minor gripes.

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread George Gunderson


On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 09:54 , lee wrote:

 --
 I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good
 considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to
 spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that
 would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire
 cardbus)?

http:///www.megapixel.net   is a good source for reviews, and   
http://www.buydig.com   has some of the best prices.  look on   
http://www.pricewatch.com   for price comparisons.

I had a Kodak DC3400 before upgrading to an Olympus C-3030.  The DC-3400 
was about $250 the last I looked and is a decent, easy-to-use camera.  
It only supports JPEG compression, though.  The DC-3400 has its flaws, 
but it makes a great first camera.

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Bruce Johnson

Laurent Daudelin wrote:

 When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that
 something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good
 SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro
 SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at
 Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR,
 you would have to plunk over $5000.
 
 I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that
 digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile
 parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure).

Five magic words for you, Laurent: What the market will bear

While the CCD chips on these cameras are expensive, particularly the 
larger ones, accounting for a goodly portion of the final cost, a lot of 
the pricing is that the demand for digital cameras is very high, which 
keeps prices up.

There's also the relentless pace of technological innovation in 
digicams. A state of the art digicam two years ago was 2 megapixels.

Today it's 5 or higher.

These companies cannot economically sell these older cameras like they 
can, say an EOS body which has been made with few changes for what, a 
decade or more? These are all new electronics, mechanicals, and assembly 
lines.

Finally, there's the question of the rest of their camera lines. 35mm 
and APS film use nearly the same size negative, at least compared to the 
CCD chips in most consumer digicams.

http://www.minoxlab.com/Don_Krehbiel/mpl/dknegsiz.htm shows the negative 
size of various film formats.

Let's take, for example, my latest digicam lust object, the Canon 
Proshot 90is (Because of it's gorgeous,long, bright zoom lens.) it's ccd 
chip is 8.1 x 6.4 mm. (2140 x 1560 total pixels, 3.34 Mpx). At 
equivalent resolution, a 35mm frame (24 x 36 mm) is  9510 x 5850 pixels 
or *55.6* megapixels...

  That means digital cameras can't  use the same optics and mechanicals 
as their established, amortized 35mm and APS production lines. A smaller 
'negative' means that a shorter focal length lens is required to give 
the equivalent performance.

CCD chips are finally approaching the size of 35 mm and aps negatives. 
This means two things:

Big Honkin' File sizes: a 56 megapixel image is huge. A raw 56 Mpx image 
at 24bit color is 160 megabytes in sizesuddenly that IBM 1G 
microdrive looks like the 8 mb card that came with my little 
camera...it'll hold 6 shots.

The camera makers will be able to leverage their investment in 35 mm and 
APS tooling and optics, which, in theory, should bring down prices and 
improve performance.

This is years down the line, though, IMO...there are a lot of other 
stumbling blocks, like moving that much data around in a timely fashion, 
compressing it in camera (which they'll have to do, and mild JPEG 
compression does wonders for camera card file size!) and storing it, all 
without something like a belt-fed battery compartment spitting dead AA 
cells out the side like a machine gun...;-)
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Re: Real world experience.

2002-04-15 Thread Kyle Hansen



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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Vic Viet Duong


Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on
www.macdeals.com

The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras...

Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon  11:49 am
OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L
1.3-megapixel digital camera for $119.98. Use a $25 off $100 coupon if
available to you to knock the net price to $94.98. With free shipping, it's
the lowest total price we've seen on this camera. Features include 1.5-inch
LCD, 1280x960 resolution, 4x digital zoom, 2MB internal memory, and USB
connectivity.   


 Just to add my experience to the pot. I have been using an Olympus dl360 for
 a couple of years $300.  Not super high res or firewire, (but quick to
 download with a USB reader - $40.)  Does everything I need - ebay pix,
 emailable JPEGs for friends, super closeups to 4 inches and macro even
 closer when needed; good battery service on 4 rechargeable AA's. The camera
 can also be plugged directly into a TV and do its own slideshow very
 elegantly. You can probably find this camera used for bupkis or only a bit
 more
 


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread patrick fisher

1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff,
fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography.

Still, I should get this camera for my daughter.
P

Vic Viet Duong wrote:

 Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on
 www.macdeals.com

 The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras...

 Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon  11:49 am
 OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L
 1.3-megapix


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Aron Nelson

1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. 
For web stuff,
fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography.

The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out 
that are great. I wonder how they do that??

I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP 
pictures though.

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Vic Viet Duong


My first digital camera was the old Apple QuickTake 7 years ago. The
resolution was 600x800, not even 1 megapixel. I was able to use it to print
fairly large architectural pictures of my models in college.

As Bruce mentioned, it's the optics, AND it's the skills of the user that
determines good pictures. I still use my old quicktake for quick web pics.

We use an old 1.3 MP D-360 in the office for site photos and it still takes
great pictures. So if 1.3MP good enough for a graphic design firm, then its
good enough for most people.

The whole megapixel issue is kind of like the Mac/PC Mhz myth.  Buy a
quality camera over quantity. But most important, have fun with your new
camera!

Vic Duong

 1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy.
 For web stuff,
 fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography.
 
 The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out
 that are great. I wonder how they do that??
 
 I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP
 pictures though.
 
 Aron


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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Joseph Ferrare

Thought I'd throw my two cents in as I just went through buying a new 
camera.  I settled on the 2.1 megapixel Canon A40, which I found online 
for $258 (though with $20 shipping).  I was a journalist just long enough 
to know optics are important, and so I went with the Canon.  It's an 
actual camera company and the camera reviewed well on the sites already 
mentioned on the list.  I also recommend thinking through the memory card 
issue and the battery issue.  Another thing the Canon had going for it was 
AA batteries, as opposed to some of the camera-specific ones some 
companies use.  I bought some rechargeables and can always use regular AAs 
in a pinch.  It uses Compact Flash, though it only comes with a 8MB 
card -- good for only a few photos.  I got a 128MB card at Sam's Club for 
$54.  So the ancillary things ate up near another $100 after I got the 
camera.

The shots I've taken so far are very sharp and up clear.  Camera's 
easy to use works with my USB well.  The A-30 is a 1.3 megapixel version 
of the same camera; don't know the price.

Last recommendation: go to pricescan.com and pricegrabber.com to 
research the costs.  They saved me $20.

Thanks,

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Re: Need Epson driver

2002-04-15 Thread William Ove

 Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:39:28 -0500
 Subject: Need Epson driver
 From: Jack Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I recently got an Epson Action Laser 1500. Epson has the manuals available
 at its Web site, but no drivers, at least for Macs. And the manuals say it
 is Mac compatible.

If it is a PostScript printer, you can just use Apple's LaserWriter Driver,
which should be included on you system CD or available through Apple. If
Epson does not have a specifice PDD file for the printer, it should still
work with the generic one that is part of the LaserWriter driver.

The other commonly seen laser printer language is PCL which I believe is
common to HP. If it does use the PCL page language I would look at the HP
site for information on that, or perhaps search the Epson site to see how
they handle that language.

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Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera

2002-04-15 Thread Walter R Basil

On 4/15/02 6:43 PM, (G-Books) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good
 considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to
 spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that
 would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire
 cardbus)?


I have bought two of the HP Photosmart 318 digital cameras. You can pick
them up at CompUSA for $199, and online for cheaper. I bought mine, and
liked it so much, and is so easy to use with iPhoto that I had my wife pick
one up for herself so she can email me pictures without having to use
conventional film and scanner. It's a 2.3 Megapixel, USB connected camera.
Has built in 8 Megs (113 pictures low setting/8 on high) with a slot for a
CF card.

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=287265csea
rch= for details.

Normally I just use it on the cheapest quality (one star) because all my
pictures usually get emailed out, and I don't plan on ever printing them.
When I do plan on a printing, I change it to the highest quality, and it
prints out very well. Looks like a real picture.

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