Re: Modem Port Unavailable

[SCN User]

Should have looked first...ZTerm has been updated for X...

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, SCN User wrote:

> 
> I thought for sure I ran ZTerm through OSX once. I was trying to make an
> ethernet connection to a 5300, and when I disconnected everything and
> turned off the network controls, ZTerm no longer worked. Anyway, I could
> have imagined using ZTerm--it was in my first days of using OSX and I
> could have been in a trance. Anyone know of a similar terminal program
> that might work on OSX? I can't give up PINE, or Lynx browsing! 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
> > SCN User wrote:
> > > When I start up with OS 10.2.3 on my Pismo and try to use ZTerm I get a
> > > "Modem Port Unavailable" message and ZTerm quits.
> > > 
> > > Process Viewer shows Open Transport running. Not sure why...I've turned
> > > off AppleTalk and other networking controls. 
> > > 
> > > When I start up with 9.2, ZTerm works just fine. 
> > > 
> > > Anyone have any clues?
> > 
> > Classic, under OSX doesn't let programs have unfettered hardware access 
> > to the serial ports like OS 9 does.
> > 
> > I have the same problem with my Newton Backup software. I have to boot 
> > into OS 9 to be able to use it.
> > 
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Re: Modem Port Unavailable

[SCN User]

I thought for sure I ran ZTerm through OSX once. I was trying to make an
ethernet connection to a 5300, and when I disconnected everything and
turned off the network controls, ZTerm no longer worked. Anyway, I could
have imagined using ZTerm--it was in my first days of using OSX and I
could have been in a trance. Anyone know of a similar terminal program
that might work on OSX? I can't give up PINE, or Lynx browsing! 

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> SCN User wrote:
> > When I start up with OS 10.2.3 on my Pismo and try to use ZTerm I get a
> > "Modem Port Unavailable" message and ZTerm quits.
> > 
> > Process Viewer shows Open Transport running. Not sure why...I've turned
> > off AppleTalk and other networking controls. 
> > 
> > When I start up with 9.2, ZTerm works just fine. 
> > 
> > Anyone have any clues?
> 
> Classic, under OSX doesn't let programs have unfettered hardware access 
> to the serial ports like OS 9 does.
> 
> I have the same problem with my Newton Backup software. I have to boot 
> into OS 9 to be able to use it.
> 
> 
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erratic display Lombard

[w miller]

My Lombard screen spontaneously combusts fairly regularly all of a sudden.
If I adjust the angle of the screen it will clear up. When it goes crazy, it
looks like the old-fashion horizontal (or was it vertical?) hold on
televisions.
Any ideas? Display? Screen connectors? Something internal? I've never run
into this one before.

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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

[Eric D.]

on 2/18/03 7:04 PM, Jeremy Derr at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> second up is people doing weird crap to get around the OS X
> installer... chiefly, trying to get around the 8GB Partition Limit by
> first installing OS X with the drive installed in a non-8GB-limited
> machine; i lump installing OS X on unsupported machines into this
> category, since the kernel panic logs often state the same cause.

I haven't done anything along those lines... although, when I partitioned
this machine it wouldn't let me install OS 9 on the same drive as I had OS
X. (Pismo/400 20 GB HD)

> I'm not saying that they don't happen, or that you're an isolated
> issue. I'm saying that you're making too much out of this. have you
> tried doing an archive and install, then reapplying the 10.2.4 update?
> you're keen to document all the lines from your logs that are
> applicable... but until you do this, you haven't isolated the issue to
> an actual 10.2.4 issue, rather than an Installer error.

If it's less than once/two days doing the reinstall is less of a hassle but
I'll have to look into that archive-and-install option (though, if it's
anything like the OS X install it'll still incapacitate the machine for an
hour).

Thanks, Eric.


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Re: Network printing

[John Gaskell]

You may need to load a generic laserjet driver for that printer. Look 
for available drivers/extensions/whatever in the chooser menu, and play 
with it to find the one that works.

jg


On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 11:32  AM, Jim Katz wrote:

> Help!  I am trying to get my Ti-400 system 9.2 laptop to print at the
> office, whose staff is very PC oriented and can't seem to make it 
> work. I
> get on the net okay and can see all the networked printers in the 
> chooser,
> but nothing seems to work.  I would be printing to an IP address, they 
> tell
> me. An HP 1200 printer.  Any ideas?
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Re: Printing Font problem (slightly OT)

[Stephen Bright]

> I'm running OS9.2.2 on an iMac Bondi and am connected to an Apple
> LaserWriter 8500.

I'd guess it could only be a bad printer if the font is permanently stored
in ROM in the printer's permanent mewmory. Times New Roman is usually a
TrueType font, and those are not stored in many laser printers to my
knowledge.

Corrupt fonts are pretty common, and I'd try replacing that copy with
another copy of Times New Roman. Also check your system folder for multiple
copies of the same font, as you may have more than 1. A work around is using
Times, which is the postscript version of the font, and is otherwise
identical. 

(As a rule, I am trained to avoid TrueType fonts in general, because they
are incompatible with many high-resolution imagesetters, including our own).
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Re: Trashing vs Shredding?

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At 10:37 PM -0600 2/18/03, Stephen Bright wrote:
>  > Good advice.  But the article to which the original poster was
>>  referring identified drives that had been formatted but data was
>>  recovered anyway.
>
>Even a low level format with 'zero all data' checked?
>Stephen

There is only one secure way, it is what the government, and I, do:

Get a drill with a 1/4" bit and drive the sucker into the platters. 
:) Of course, I know you want to keep the drive, so a couple of Zero 
Levels you should be ok.
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Re: Trashing vs Shredding?

[Stephen Bright]

> Good advice.  But the article to which the original poster was
> referring identified drives that had been formatted but data was
> recovered anyway.

Even a low level format with 'zero all data' checked?
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Re: Trashing vs Shredding?

[Phillip Burk]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 06:47 PM, Stephen Bright wrote:

>> every OS should be made with a better way
>> of un-installing programs/files/etc.
>
> I always thought that was what formatting the drive was for. If I were 
> to
> sell a drive on ebay I'd format the drive, test it, and ship it.
> Stephen

Good advice.  But the article to which the original poster was 
referring identified drives that had been formatted but data was 
recovered anyway.

Formatting drives only erases the drive directory, not the data itself. 
  The best way to wipe a drive is write random data to it.  Many, many 
times (>7).

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Printing Font problem (slightly OT)

[Mark_PHILIP]

Hi all,
I'm running OS9.2.2 on an iMac Bondi and am connected to an Apple
LaserWriter 8500.
Because I've acquired this printer only recently, I haven't had the chance
to actually use it until last night.

I have encountered this problem:
When I print to the printer, some characters, such as quotes (') and the
bullet symbol (Option + 8) don't print properly.
I get a blank space where it should be a quote and I get a Japanese Yen
dollar mark when it should be a bullet.
Any ideas?

My keyboard is set to Australian, I'm using Nisus Writer 6.03 and the font
is Times New Roman.
I haven't tried exporting the Nisus document to PDF and printing the PDF
yet, so I'm not sure if the problem belongs to Nisus or the printer.
Thanks in advance,
Mark.










 

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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

[Jeremy Derr]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 05:41 PM, Eric D. wrote:

> Wow. I guess you don't push your system much! I've managed to find 
> enough
> kernel panics since OS X 10.0. The early ones were attributable to bad 
> RAM,
> but that's been taken care of (JewelToy no longer crashes ;).

i push my system pretty hard. and i'm always breaking it. i'm always 
getting kernel panics. but only when i'm out trying to cause them to 
see what bugs are there. in ye-olde-standard use of the system, i've 
never had a kernel panic.

currently, Bad or Reasonably Bad RAM is still the #1 cause of kernel 
panics that I see on a daily basis (I work for high volume Authorized 
Service Provider). I have a running tally on a white board of causes of 
kernel panics that customer's have brought in.

second up is people doing weird crap to get around the OS X 
installer... chiefly, trying to get around the 8GB Partition Limit by 
first installing OS X with the drive installed in a non-8GB-limited 
machine; i lump installing OS X on unsupported machines into this 
category, since the kernel panic logs often state the same cause.

> Kernel panics have been part of the bug reports for every release of 
> OS X --
> it's good but it ain't perfect. Plus, there are a plethora of reports 
> both
> on Apple's discussion boards and on the independent Mac commentators of
> kernel panics and problems with dial-up in 10.2.4 so it ain't my 
> imagination
> or my system alone.

the company i used to work with got interim builds of OS X from 
somewhere in the Developer Preview series all the way up to 
10.0.something. at some points, we were getting new builds daily. in 
THOSE builds, i would get kernel panics aplenty, sometimes when the 
computer was merely idling. not only am i aware that kernel panics 
happen, i happen to actually know some of the guys that pull together 
the panic logs @ Apple to turn over to engineers for fixing.

I'm not saying that they don't happen, or that you're an isolated 
issue. I'm saying that you're making too much out of this. have you 
tried doing an archive and install, then reapplying the 10.2.4 update? 
you're keen to document all the lines from your logs that are 
applicable... but until you do this, you haven't isolated the issue to 
an actual 10.2.4 issue, rather than an Installer error.

> Anyway, count your blessing you're free of kernel panics. If 
> reinstalling OS
> X wasn't such a pain in the derriere I'd downgrade to 10.2.3 but, 
> unless
> things get particularly bad I'll just suffer with the occasional kernel
> panic until 10.2.5.

suit yourself. as of Jaguar, reinstalling OS X is pretty damned 
painless. the archive-and-install option leaves all of your Application 
and Users data in tact, and only reinstalls System Software.


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Re: Trashing vs Shredding?

[Stephen Bright]

> every OS should be made with a better way
> of un-installing programs/files/etc.

I always thought that was what formatting the drive was for. If I were to
sell a drive on ebay I'd format the drive, test it, and ship it.
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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

[Eric D.]

on 2/18/03 5:40 PM, Jeremy Derr at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> These are the modules affiliated with the three panics I've had. I
>> cannot
>> *ever* remember this many kernel panics in four days, even in 10.0.x
>> days!
> 
> dunno what to tell you. sounds like maybe the patch to 10.2.4 got
> goobered on install or something? i've never gotten a kernel panic in
> any version of OS X without expressly trying to cause it...

Wow. I guess you don't push your system much! I've managed to find enough
kernel panics since OS X 10.0. The early ones were attributable to bad RAM,
but that's been taken care of (JewelToy no longer crashes ;).

Kernel panics have been part of the bug reports for every release of OS X --
it's good but it ain't perfect. Plus, there are a plethora of reports both
on Apple's discussion boards and on the independent Mac commentators of
kernel panics and problems with dial-up in 10.2.4 so it ain't my imagination
or my system alone.

Anyway, count your blessing you're free of kernel panics. If reinstalling OS
X wasn't such a pain in the derriere I'd downgrade to 10.2.3 but, unless
things get particularly bad I'll just suffer with the occasional kernel
panic until 10.2.5.

L8r, Eric.


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Re: Printing to Windows printservice

[Carsten Marx]

Yes it is possible.
Go to Application / Utilities / PrintCenter
Hold the Option-Key (key between ctrl and Command) while clicking  add 
Printer.
Then you can choose the "more options" and now you see the the option 
printing to windows via samba.
There it is!

greets

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> Is it possible to print to a printshare on a windows-PC using smb or
> only through lpr?
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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

[Jeremy Derr]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 10:46 AM, Eric D. wrote:

>  Kernel Panic #3 with 10.2.4! Stable? Yeah right!
>
> It seems to be consistently related to dial-up (this time it happened 
> b/c I
> unplugged the modem to prevent auto-dial from interfering with a
> conversation I was having on the phone. This is a bit of the info in 
> the log
> for each of the three panics I've had:
>
>
>   Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
>  com.apple.driver.ApplePMU(1.7.8)@0x196f5000
> (happened soon after a dropped phone line)
>
>   Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
>  com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial(1.2.3)@0x14e79000
> dependency: 
> com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x14e6e000
> (happened on wake-up, not connected to web, but web apps were open)
>
>   Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
>  com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial(1.2.3)@0x14e7a000
> dependency: 
> com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x14e6f000
> (happened b/c I disconnected phone cord (while it wasn't connected) 
> and it
> tried dial out)
>
> These are the modules affiliated with the three panics I've had. I 
> cannot
> *ever* remember this many kernel panics in four days, even in 10.0.x 
> days!

dunno what to tell you. sounds like maybe the patch to 10.2.4 got 
goobered on install or something? i've never gotten a kernel panic in 
any version of OS X without expressly trying to cause it...


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Printing to Windows printservice

[Powerbook]

Is it possible to print to a printshare on a windows-PC using smb or 
only through lpr?

Marc



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Can't start Classic

[Powerbook]

When I try to start Classic (9.1) when I use OS X 1.5 I get this message:

Insufficient priviliges to start /system/library/coreservices (or 
similar, it's in Dutch)

Booting from 9.1 works fine. I can't find this error on the 
support-site. Anyone have any suggestions?

Marc



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Re: Trashing vs Shredding?

[Donald Keenan]

You might all recall the story in the media about a month ago concerning 
a study by MIT graduate students on the security risk of information 
available on old hard drives. They bought hundreds of old hard drives 
(many on eBay) and found a lot of financial information left on them or 
easily recovered on them.
One point the student and author of the study (appearing in a new 
publication by IEEE?) was that every OS should be made with a better way 
of un-installing programs/files/etc. That would be a nice improvement in 
a GUI: something that would at least simply do the file removing even 
though the magnetic memory might still be there. It would be nice not to 
have to hunt around for remnants of a program.
Any comments? Anyone more familiar with this study?
Donald


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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Dustin]

Apparently the sh-2.05a# is a prompt!? I can type 'help' and other *nix
commands. When I type help it says:
"GNU bash, version 2.05a.0(1)-release (powerpc-apple-darwin6.0)
These commands are defined internally. Type 'help' to see this list.
Type 'help name' to find out more about the function 'name'
Use 'info bash' to find out more about the shell in general

[huge list of commands here]"

I have some experience in terminal commands, but I'm not that
proficient...  

-Dustin


-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Phillip
Burk
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:26 PM
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Problems booting to OS 9

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Dustin wrote:

> Thanks for all of the help. I got into OS 9...but not by anyone's
> suggestion. OS 9 is the only working boot partition :-(
>
> After I updated to 10.2.4, and restarted, it crashed on shutdown.
After
> running Disk First Aid from OS 9 and the OS X install CD and repairing
> everything, it still won't boot. The computer gets to the "grey apple"
> screen, but the spinning thing freezes after a minute, and the text
> "sh-2.05a#" appears in the upper left corner...
>
> Anyone know anything about this??

If you're interested in troubleshooting this, set your startup disk to 
the OS X partition, reboot, and hold down the "v" key.  You'll get a 
raw output of the startup sequence.  There should be an error before 
unceremoniously dumping to the shell.  Make note of where the startup 
is ending and post back to the list.

Otherwise do an archive and install option and reinstall OS X.

Phil Burk




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Re: Modem Port Unavailable

[Bruce Johnson]

SCN User wrote:
> When I start up with OS 10.2.3 on my Pismo and try to use ZTerm I get a
> "Modem Port Unavailable" message and ZTerm quits.
> 
> Process Viewer shows Open Transport running. Not sure why...I've turned
> off AppleTalk and other networking controls. 
> 
> When I start up with 9.2, ZTerm works just fine. 
> 
> Anyone have any clues?

Classic, under OSX doesn't let programs have unfettered hardware access 
to the serial ports like OS 9 does.

I have the same problem with my Newton Backup software. I have to boot 
into OS 9 to be able to use it.


-- 
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
Information Technology Group

Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs




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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Phillip Burk]

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Dustin wrote:

> Thanks for all of the help. I got into OS 9...but not by anyone's
> suggestion. OS 9 is the only working boot partition :-(
>
> After I updated to 10.2.4, and restarted, it crashed on shutdown. After
> running Disk First Aid from OS 9 and the OS X install CD and repairing
> everything, it still won't boot. The computer gets to the "grey apple"
> screen, but the spinning thing freezes after a minute, and the text
> "sh-2.05a#" appears in the upper left corner...
>
> Anyone know anything about this??

If you're interested in troubleshooting this, set your startup disk to 
the OS X partition, reboot, and hold down the "v" key.  You'll get a 
raw output of the startup sequence.  There should be an error before 
unceremoniously dumping to the shell.  Make note of where the startup 
is ending and post back to the list.

Otherwise do an archive and install option and reinstall OS X.

Phil Burk

Systems Support Technician  Wiley Publishing, Inc.
10475 Crosspoint Blvd   Indianapolis, IN  46256
317.572.3049 phone   317.572.1049 fax
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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Dustin]

Thanks for all of the help. I got into OS 9...but not by anyone's
suggestion. OS 9 is the only working boot partition :-(

After I updated to 10.2.4, and restarted, it crashed on shutdown. After
running Disk First Aid from OS 9 and the OS X install CD and repairing
everything, it still won't boot. The computer gets to the "grey apple"
screen, but the spinning thing freezes after a minute, and the text 
"sh-2.05a#" appears in the upper left corner...

Anyone know anything about this??

Thanks
-Dustin


-Original Message-
From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:22 AM
To: G-Books
Subject: Re: Problems booting to OS 9

Dustin,

I see you've got a number of replies to your problem, but I'm not sure 
the terrific advice they've offered will help you much.  I had a 
similar problme with my Pismo.  Your symptoms are identical to what I 
experienced.  The solution, though weird, is simple and reliable.  It 
was not a partition problem, nor a corruption.  It amounts to 
rebuilding the OS9 desktop.

This is what you have to do.  Print or write out these steps.

1) Boot up in OS X.  (Or quit all applications if already
in OS X.  If classic is already running, force-quit it.)
2) Open the startup disk control:
AppleMenu -> SystemPreferences -> StartupDisk
3) In the Startup Disk control, click on your partition
having the OS 9 startup system folder, to designate it
as the startup disk.  Do NOT click "restart".
4) Click on "Show All" (system preferences) and when the
popup window asks if are sure you want to change the
startup disk, click "change".
5) Click on "classic" in the System section of the
System Preferences window.
6) Click the "Advanced" tab.
7) Click "Rebuild Desktop" in the "other classic utilities"
section.  (It may take a few seconds after step 6 for
the "rebuild desktop" button to become active.)  Do
NOT click "start classic".
8) Close the System Preferences window.
9) From your Apple Menu, choose "restart".

Your Mac now should boot up in OS 9 without trouble.

I don't know why it is necessary to rebuild the desktop like this, but 
I do know that after running OS X and/or classic for a while, the only 
way to get my Mac to boot up again in OS 9 is to go through the above 
steps.  At least it works!  I always rebuild the OS 9 desktop before 
carbon-copy cloning my periodic backups as well, to insure that the 
backup disk is bootable in 9, if I happen to need that.

Hope this helps!

--Jim.


> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:19:14 -0500
> From: Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Problems booting to OS 9
> Message-id: <01c2d6f4$22062eb0$d60d2e18@NEWSERVER>
>
> I can't boot to OS 9 on my PowerBook G3. I have 1 disk with 2
> partitions. The first one is 8 GB with OS X on it, and the other is 
> over
> 10 GB with OS 9 on it. When I select the OS 9 parition as the boot 
> disk,
> and restart, it goes to the "Happy Mac", then restarts again, and
> continues booting to OS X.
>
> Has anyone had this problem and fixed it?
>
> Thanks,
> -Dustin


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Re: mac spyware

[Christoph Hammann]

Am 18.02.2003 13:48 Uhr schrieb "Gene Merritt" unter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> A few months ago, on the VersionTracker site, someone, in the user
> Review section, was claiming iGetter was spyware. Don't know if it's
> True or not, or how one can tell.
Well,
You could run Ethereal, then start iGetter and see what you capture. Won't
do it, though, iGetter semms like a pretty useless app to me.

Christoph


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Re: OS X 10.2.4 stable?

[Eric D.]

 Kernel Panic #3 with 10.2.4! Stable? Yeah right!

It seems to be consistently related to dial-up (this time it happened b/c I
unplugged the modem to prevent auto-dial from interfering with a
conversation I was having on the phone. This is a bit of the info in the log
for each of the three panics I've had:


  Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
 com.apple.driver.ApplePMU(1.7.8)@0x196f5000
(happened soon after a dropped phone line)

  Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
 com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial(1.2.3)@0x14e79000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x14e6e000
(happened on wake-up, not connected to web, but web apps were open)

  Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
 com.apple.driver.AppleSCCSerial(1.2.3)@0x14e7a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOSerialFamily(6.0.1d19)@0x14e6f000
(happened b/c I disconnected phone cord (while it wasn't connected) and it
tried dial out)

These are the modules affiliated with the three panics I've had. I cannot
*ever* remember this many kernel panics in four days, even in 10.0.x days!

Eric.


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Re: Problems booting to OS 9

[Jim]

Dustin,

I see you've got a number of replies to your problem, but I'm not sure 
the terrific advice they've offered will help you much.  I had a 
similar problme with my Pismo.  Your symptoms are identical to what I 
experienced.  The solution, though weird, is simple and reliable.  It 
was not a partition problem, nor a corruption.  It amounts to 
rebuilding the OS9 desktop.

This is what you have to do.  Print or write out these steps.

1) Boot up in OS X.  (Or quit all applications if already
in OS X.  If classic is already running, force-quit it.)
2) Open the startup disk control:
AppleMenu -> SystemPreferences -> StartupDisk
3) In the Startup Disk control, click on your partition
having the OS 9 startup system folder, to designate it
as the startup disk.  Do NOT click "restart".
4) Click on "Show All" (system preferences) and when the
popup window asks if are sure you want to change the
startup disk, click "change".
5) Click on "classic" in the System section of the
System Preferences window.
6) Click the "Advanced" tab.
7) Click "Rebuild Desktop" in the "other classic utilities"
section.  (It may take a few seconds after step 6 for
the "rebuild desktop" button to become active.)  Do
NOT click "start classic".
8) Close the System Preferences window.
9) From your Apple Menu, choose "restart".

Your Mac now should boot up in OS 9 without trouble.

I don't know why it is necessary to rebuild the desktop like this, but 
I do know that after running OS X and/or classic for a while, the only 
way to get my Mac to boot up again in OS 9 is to go through the above 
steps.  At least it works!  I always rebuild the OS 9 desktop before 
carbon-copy cloning my periodic backups as well, to insure that the 
backup disk is bootable in 9, if I happen to need that.

Hope this helps!

--Jim.


> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:19:14 -0500
> From: Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Problems booting to OS 9
> Message-id: <01c2d6f4$22062eb0$d60d2e18@NEWSERVER>
>
> I can't boot to OS 9 on my PowerBook G3. I have 1 disk with 2
> partitions. The first one is 8 GB with OS X on it, and the other is 
> over
> 10 GB with OS 9 on it. When I select the OS 9 parition as the boot 
> disk,
> and restart, it goes to the "Happy Mac", then restarts again, and
> continues booting to OS X.
>
> Has anyone had this problem and fixed it?
>
> Thanks,
> -Dustin


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Problems booting to OS 9

[Jack Putnam]

Try resetting PRAM, then holding down the C key.


Jack Putnam
TechnoWarehouse, LLC

> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:52:02 -0500
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (G-Books)
> Subject: G-Books Digest #1097
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:19:14 -0500
> From: Dustin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Problems booting to OS 9
> Message-id: <01c2d6f4$22062eb0$d60d2e18@NEWSERVER>
> 
> I can't boot to OS 9 on my PowerBook G3. I have 1 disk with 2
> partitions. The first one is 8 GB with OS X on it, and the other is over
> 10 GB with OS 9 on it. When I select the OS 9 parition as the boot disk,
> and restart, it goes to the "Happy Mac", then restarts again, and
> continues booting to OS X.
> 
> Has anyone had this problem and fixed it?
> 
> Thanks,
> -Dustin


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Re: mac spyware

[Luca Rescigno]

> A few months ago, on the VersionTracker site, someone, in the user
> Review section, was claiming iGetter was spyware. Don't know if it's
> True or not, or how one can tell.
>
> Gene

Try looking for a program called "MacScan." Right now it's a Public 
Beta but go ahead and look for it. I installed LimeWire and MacScan 
found nothing, but it might have been upgraded since I first got it. 
Also, I rarely use LimeWire, I've only launched it two or three times 
since downloading it.


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Re: Can you run Jaguar on un-upgraded Wallstreet?

[Luca Rescigno]

> I have a 233 Wallstreet with 512 RAM and a 20 gig, Jag runs OK.
> Actually everything is a little slow on this machine, when you compare
> the the OS 8.5 it came with. However, I have the opposite problem - my
> USB card doesn't work in OS9, although it shows up on the desktop. OS X
> has no problems recognizing it and importing photos through a Sony
> camera that isn't on Apple's list, and also printing to a Canon inkjet
> printer. I haven't got the USB printer sharing to work yet though.
>
> 
> JSH

I think it would be a tough choice for me whether I'd want to run OS 
8.6/9.1 or OS X on a non-upgraded Wallstreet. On the one hand, OS 8.6 
(best Mac OS ever) or 9.1 would be very fast and they offer full 
graphics acceleration with the Rage Pro. However, OS X seems to have 
better support of third party hardware. My FireWire card worked with 
both OS 9 and OS X when I had a Wallstreet, but it seemed to work 
"better" in OS X. That said, OS X was very slow and it was really nice 
to go back to 9. I would suggest putting both on it but generally 
you'll want OS 9 as it's so much faster. If you really want to use X, 
then get Duality 4 and install a theme like "Rhapsodized" which is less 
demanding on your computer. While you're at it, also get the utility 
"ShadowKiller" from Unsanity.com . Basically, when you use it, it turns 
off drop shadows. I believe you can also tone down the shadows using 
"WindowShade X" from Unsanity, although it's shareware. ShadowKiller 
will just delete them and that's it. You can always turn them back on.


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Re: Can you run Jaguar on un-upgraded Wallstreet?

[Jeff Hubatka]

> Message-ID: <001001c2d6c4$f608c860$08f8fea9@desktop>
> From: "Christopher Hack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Can you run Jaguar on un-upgraded Wallstreet?
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:41:19 -
>
> I upped the ram on my wallstreet to 512, with a 40gb TravelStar drive 
> and
> Jaguar runs reasonably well. However I ended up going back to OS9.2. 
> The
> wallstreet does not have USB ports. I have a PCMCIA card to provide USB
> connectivity, but I could not get Jaguar to see it even though it 
> works fine
> on OS9.2.
> So if you do upgrade, the fact that it runs may not be the end of your
> problems.
>
> Chris

I have a 233 Wallstreet with 512 RAM and a 20 gig, Jag runs OK. 
Actually everything is a little slow on this machine, when you compare 
the the OS 8.5 it came with. However, I have the opposite problem - my 
USB card doesn't work in OS9, although it shows up on the desktop. OS X 
has no problems recognizing it and importing photos through a Sony 
camera that isn't on Apple's list, and also printing to a Canon inkjet 
printer. I haven't got the USB printer sharing to work yet though.


JSH


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Re: mac spyware

[Gene Merritt]

>> lots of peecee software is laden with myriad spywares. it's rather
>> disgusting. it embeds itself in your system files, makes itself
>> virtually impossible to delete, and sends joe-random-company details
>> about your internet browsing habits, among other things. a great
>> example of spyware is Kazaa, and very few people realize all of this
>> information is being collected and sold by Kazaa.
>> 
>> that said... i'm completely unaware of any spyware on the mac.
>> 
> 

A few months ago, on the VersionTracker site, someone, in the user
Review section, was claiming iGetter was spyware. Don't know if it's
True or not, or how one can tell.

Gene


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