Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?

[Hal]

It's called "residual revenue".
Apple, like any company that is only going to sell you a major product 
every few years, needs to insure that they can make money on a regular 
basis. It's the same reason Microsoft updates Office every 2 years and 
makes just enough changes that if one person in your office gets the 
new version, everyone has to upgrade...

Seriously though, I've been impressed enough with the last 2 versions 
to pay retail for them... 10.2 and 10.3 have been pretty major 
upgrades. I hope 10.4 is as good.

Just my $0.02.
-Hal
On Jul 17, 2004, at 12:16 AM, Joshua Braddock wrote:
So, with each version release, like 10.1 to  10.2 cost money? why 
didnt they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, 
but 8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand 
that.. so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 
isnt, and 10.3 to 10.4 isnt .. hrmm that sucks.. i guess.. anywho..
On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:32 PM, Brian Andrews wrote:
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Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?

[Joshua Braddock]

So, with each version release, like 10.1 to  10.2 cost money? why didnt 
they do like what they did with classic os's and do 8.1 costs, but 
8.2-8.4 doesnt, 8.5 does, 8.6-8.9 doesnt? lol i dont under stand that.. 
so 10.1.1-x is free, but 10.1 to 10.2 isnt. and 10.2 to 10.3 isnt, and 
10.3 to 10.4 isnt .. hrmm that sucks.. i guess.. anywho..
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Subject: this is getting redundant, isnt it?

[Stuart Saunders]

129 dollars American says its gonna cost 129 dollars American.
On 17 Jul 2004, at 1:18 PM, G-Books wrote:
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Subject: this is getting redundant, isnt it?
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:21:54 -0600
Oh, and one more thing.. If I  have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let
me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that
version? ~Joshua Braddock~

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Re: this is getting redundant, isnt it?

[Brian Andrews]

I don't think Apple has made any official statements on the cost of 
Tiger but it is a safe bet that the only people who get it for free are 
those who buy a new Mac just before Tiger is released.  The past two 
upgrades have been $129 and Tiger's 150 new features will probably cost 
us another $129-$150.

On Jul 17, 2004, at 1:21 AM, Joshua Braddock wrote:
Oh, and one more thing.. If I  have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple 
let me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy 
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this is getting redundant, isnt it?

[Joshua Braddock]

Oh, and one more thing.. If I  have OS X 10.3.4 Panther, will apple let 
me update to OS X 10.4.1 Tiger for free? Or will I have to buy that 
version? ~Joshua Braddock~

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Re: what to do what to do..

[Joshua Braddock]

Sorry, my previous message got cut short. Umm, what else was I gonna oh 
yea, did I mention I am in love with OS X? It is soo much better than 
WIndows XP every has the possibility of being. Umm. Oh, and one that I 
was wondering about that I should have asked the apple tech about is, 
why cant I boot a cd that has the os 9 system on it? I mean, sure there 
is classic, but whats the use if you dont have the desktop, or am I not 
using it correctly.. I don't know. This is my first true hands on 
experience with OS X.
But anyways, I guess I am rambling again. On on the clamshell, umm To 
me, I thought the coolest ibook was the special edition. I dont know, 
im more of a white/grey person.. lol thats why i didnt want the 
powerbook g4, etc. but anyways.. ~Joshua Braddock~

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Re: what to do what to do..

[Donald Keenan]

On Saturday, July 17, 2004, at 12:44 AM, Joshua Braddock wrote:
The other thing I was going to ask is, if I save my money should I get 
a clam shell iBook. I would only want one just to have one. but.. 
anyways, I am rambling.. I am gonna go now.. LOL hrmm..  ~Joshua 
Braddock

Joshua:
If you don't have pressing needs for other necessities (school, health 
care, gym membership, rent, etc.), I'd say buying a used Clamshell 
iBook is just as worthwhile as collecting anything for pleasure. 
They're striking in design and are bound to be classic collectibles. If 
it's "fun money" that you'd otherwise spend on entertainment, I say "go 
for it!" So far, you can be sure that someone will at least want to buy 
the Clamshell if you decide to give it up some day and resell it.

Clamshells will be less roadworthy as programs and the internet become 
more demanding for better graphics cards and processor speeds BUT,  you 
might find legacy programs that you can run indefinitely on them. (OS 9 
and OS X still work well on the Clamshell.)

 Some folks keep their older Clamshell iBooks in service as fax 
machines and many folks here point out that they prefer the Clamshell 
for typing/writing because the design is supremely ergonomic for a 
laptop. Great keyboard!

If you hunt on ebay, you'll find an occasional bargain for a Clamshell. 
Take care with buying one. Think: dead pixels or not? Battery life? 
Power source ok? Hinges?

There are a number of places out there where you can get a Clamshell 
upgraded with new media drives, bigger hard drives, or simply have them 
serviced when in need. This can extend the life of one. (e.g., Wegener 
media)Check out lowendmac for resources and of course, the good folks 
here can make suggestions and give advice.

You could write your first novel or screenplay on one! :)
Beware, the coolest of the Clamshells, the Key Lime, can be expensive. 
I have , however, seen the 366 MHz model sell at a bargain once or 
twice on ebay.

Congrats on your new 'Book!!!
Donald
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what to do what to do..

[Joshua Braddock]

I realized that I have been on this list for about a year now, and I 
didn't even have a "g" based processor powered laptop. Well I finally 
got one, a 14 inch iBook. Well I love this thing, and I am really 
enjoying OS X. Even though I have been having problems with, but 
Applecare has helped me out a lot! I am really pleased with this 
computer. I know that doesn't amount much coming from a 17 year old, 
but. Anyways, what I was wondering is, why does OS X sometimes "crash" 
the programs I use that have a "informative" dialog, like "Do you want 
to save" etc? That is the problem I have been having, and I created a 
new user account, and it seems to only happen every once and a while. 
But, it doesn't really bother me now. The other thing I was going to 
ask is, if I save my money should I get a clam shell iBook. I would 
only want one just to have one. but.. anyways, I am rambling.. I am 
gonna go now.. LOL hrmm..  ~Joshua Braddock

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Re: annoying desktop file

[Michael Levin]

On 7/16/04 10:00 PM, "Timothy Luoma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ah, the old undeletable file test.
> 
> What happens when you goto Terminal and type
> 
> mv  -f  ./FILENAME  ~/.Trash
Ding. Ding. We have a winner. Thanks a lot!

Breathing easier,
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Re: annoying desktop file

[Alejandro]

Sometimes is more simple than you can think.
Try this:
- Make a new folder or duplicate other file.
- Rename it as the damaged one.
- Place it on the same location.
- The System will ask you about replacing that item.
- Once replaced, trash the new one.

Hope that helps.



--- Timothy Luoma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, the old undeletable file test.
> 
> What happens when you goto Terminal and type
> 
> cd Desktop
> 
> rm -f ./FILENAME
> 
> OR
> 
> mv  -f  ./FILENAME  ~/.Trash
> 
> or
> 
> mv -f ./FILENAME /tmp/
> 
> what errors are given?
> 
> 
> 
> .. Original Message ...
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:50:33 -0500 "Michael Levin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >I have a file with 8k on my desktop and I cannot
> get rid of it. Every time 
> I
> >try to move it to the trash or my hard drive, I get
> a message that the file
> >is in use and cannot be trashed.
> >
> >I tried booting in safe mode, Classic mode and from
> a start up DVD. No 
> dice.
> >
> >How do I get rid of it? What is really baffling? I
> can open the file, I can
> >save changes to it, I can rename it. I cannot trash
> it. Ugh!
> >
> >Any suggestions will be tried.
> >
> >Michael
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Re: annoying desktop file

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At 8:50 PM -0500 7/16/04, Michael Levin wrote:
I have a file with 8k on my desktop and I cannot get rid of it. Every time I
try to move it to the trash or my hard drive, I get a message that the file
is in use and cannot be trashed.
I tried booting in safe mode, Classic mode and from a start up DVD. No dice.
How do I get rid of it? What is really baffling? I can open the file, I can
save changes to it, I can rename it. I cannot trash it. Ugh!
Any suggestions will be tried.
Michael
What is the name of the file?
Try renaming it, restarting then trashing it.
BTW, Classic is OS 9 running as a process in OS X.  I believe you 
meant booting in OS 9.
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Re: annoying desktop file

[Timothy Luoma]

Ah, the old undeletable file test.

What happens when you goto Terminal and type

cd Desktop

rm -f ./FILENAME

OR

mv  -f  ./FILENAME  ~/.Trash

or

mv -f ./FILENAME /tmp/

what errors are given?



.. Original Message ...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:50:33 -0500 "Michael Levin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>I have a file with 8k on my desktop and I cannot get rid of it. Every time 
I
>try to move it to the trash or my hard drive, I get a message that the file
>is in use and cannot be trashed.
>
>I tried booting in safe mode, Classic mode and from a start up DVD. No 
dice.
>
>How do I get rid of it? What is really baffling? I can open the file, I can
>save changes to it, I can rename it. I cannot trash it. Ugh!
>
>Any suggestions will be tried.
>
>Michael
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annoying desktop file

[Michael Levin]

I have a file with 8k on my desktop and I cannot get rid of it. Every time I
try to move it to the trash or my hard drive, I get a message that the file
is in use and cannot be trashed.

I tried booting in safe mode, Classic mode and from a start up DVD. No dice.

How do I get rid of it? What is really baffling? I can open the file, I can
save changes to it, I can rename it. I cannot trash it. Ugh!

Any suggestions will be tried.

Michael


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Greetings,
  We see a lot of WiFi questions on this list. I was reminded today 
about a resource that I had completely forgotten about. It should 
help anyone trying to figure out what to buy, how to set it up, how 
to work through post-setup problems, even wireless security issues.

  "Take Control of Your AirPort Network " is in PDF format and very 
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Re: reinstalling X

[Mikael Byström]

Al, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>you saying that you can run Classic but cannot boot/startup in OS 9? 
That is what James and the Apple materials say, yes.



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Re: looking before leaping

[Zoltan Batiz]

On Jul 16, 2004, at 1:43 PM, Marcin Wichary wrote:
True enough; but you're probably not going to get the full speed your
cable/dsl company promises you either.  ;)
I would disagree here... Since I started with dial-up in 1997 I always 
got the exact maximum speed as given in the contract (that's why I 
commented on this, maybe I should've been more specific). Right now I 
have promised half a megabit from my DSL modem, and I indeed can get 
60something KBps. When I was working for an ISP company earlier, we 
learnt the lesson very quickly and ALWAYS informed customers about the 
realistic speeds they would get from a given connection... otherwise 
things got rather nasty rather quick.

Consider yourself lucky.  As you know, the overall connection speed 
varies to where the customer lives, the type of connectivity, etc.  
I've been promised "up to" 3M down and 384k up.  My actual connection 
is usually 1.2M down and only 128K up.  Luckily, I'm one of the few 
customers that understands the importance of those two key words in my 
contract. . ."up to".  :)

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Re: reinstalling X

[Al Poulin]

Are you saying that without the OS 9 drivers from Disk Utility, you cannot
install OS 9.x for Classic operations, or are you saying that you can run
Classic but cannot boot/startup in OS 9?  Or both?

James Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> If you're not sure and want to keep your options open, just install the
> Mac OS 9 drivers on your disk(s). That way, you could install 9.x later
> on. If you don't install the Mac OS 9 drivers, you possibly might have to
> reformat (or at least fire up Disk Utility) before you could install Mac
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Re: www via Quicklink Mobile?

[Zoltan Batiz]

On Jul 16, 2004, at 1:35 PM, David Freels wrote:
Does anyone have experience using Quicklink Mobile to access the  
Internet via Bluetoothed cell phones and a mac?

See
http://www.smithmicro.com/default.tpl? 
cart=10899955452231103&group=product_full&\
sku=QLMMAKEE

The software supports many phones including Sony Ericsson T616. Has  
anyone had experience with this?

How about upgrading to a Sony Ericsson T637 from T616? Does it still  
work?

Is there other cell/Powerbook connectivity software besides Quicklink?
Thanks.
David Freels
David,
I have the current software from Smith Micro.  Quicklink Moble works  
best under Jaguar, but on Panther it has a lot of problems.  Panther  
doesn't really need the software to work.  There are two ways to  
connect with your bluetooth phone; depending on your wireless service.   
I have Cingular and they have what is called Wireless Internet and  
Wireless Internet Express.  The latter connects you online via a phone  
number.  You cell will automatically dial said number and you are  
online.  This is a VERY slow connection, depending on the time you are  
connected.  A simple website i.e., Yahoo! for example can take as long  
as FIVE minutes to load. . .even with Safari.  The Express connection  
uses the GPRS type of connectivity, which is the same used to surf the  
web via the cell phone itself.  This connection is a little faster, but  
not much.  Most cell phone companies charge on a per kilobyte basis for  
GPRS while the slower connection comes out of your minutes.  Cingular  
for example charges $0.04 a kilobyte.  While this may not sound like  
much, just checking web-based email can add up.  I checked my Excite  
email the other day via GPRS and the total was $5.67.  Just for  
checking email from one site.  The slower connection is cheaper, but  
don't use it unless you have a lot of time on your hands.  The best way  
to connect wirelessly in my opinion is via an Airport card.  This of  
course isn't a good choice if you aren't within range of a free WiFi  
hotspot.  I used the Smith Micro software when I needed to get online  
in areas of construction, where there isn't any other way to connect.   
So to answer your question, it works. . .it's just slow. . .slower than  
56K.  If that's not a problem, download the software, pair your phone  
for bluetooth connectivity (good to do BEFORE installing software), and  
surf the web.  If you have Panther, check the network settings, click  
on locations, and look for wireless device.  The setup assistant will  
walk you through this as well after  you've paired your phone.  I'm  
kinda' pissed that Panther doesn't really need the software.  I feel  
like I wasted the money on it.  It's still installed in my hard drive,  
but I never use it anymore.  Oh well. . .live and learn.

Hope this helps,
Zoltan
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transferring iTunes between computers

[Claire Hart]

I can't remember if I asked this question of this list or the G-book 
list, so I'll post it both places.  I had asked if there was a way to 
transfer my iTunes collection from the iMac to the Powerbook.  Someone 
said to use iSync.  I tried iSync through .mac, and it synced iCal, 
Address Book, and something else, but not iPhoto or iTunes.

Today, rather than going through iTunes, my son opened the Music folder 
from the Finder window.  From there, he went to iTunes > iTunes Music.  
We tried to connect by crossover cable, but I was so paranoid of 
messing something up two days before going out of town that I was leary 
of his changing IP addresses, computer names, etc.  However, I thought 
that since he found the files to the songs, we could possibly move them 
as files.  (Excuse me if this is a no-brainer to most of you.)  I 
dragged the folders onto my FireWire external HD and copied them there. 
 Then I plugged the same FW HD to the Powerbook and dragged them into 
the same Music > iTunes > iTunes folder, but when I opened iTunes, the 
songs didn't show up in my iTunes Library.  Out of frustration, I 
dragged the same folders from the FW HD right onto the open iTunes 
window with the Library showing, and all 460 items began to fill in!  
They work!

Incidentally, yesterday I transferred all 760 photos using my digital 
camera, 60 photos at a time.  I possibly could have transferred them 
the same way I transferred my iTunes.

Claire
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Re: USB question

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 7/16/2004 1:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Peterson <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> writes:

>My wallstreet doesn't have usb:) I had to purchase a USB2 card for the 
>PCMCIA slots. It works with USB1.1 just fine thanks, and as I have no 
>USB2 stuff, 

Sorry, I MEANT I have a Lombard(!).. have both actually. Had "Wallstreet" on the brain 
earlier.

Thanks for the help,

Craig W.

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Re: looking before leaping

[Marcin Wichary]

True enough; but you're probably not going to get the full speed your
cable/dsl company promises you either.  ;)
I would disagree here... Since I started with dial-up in 1997 I always 
got the exact maximum speed as given in the contract (that's why I 
commented on this, maybe I should've been more specific). Right now I 
have promised half a megabit from my DSL modem, and I indeed can get 
60something KBps. When I was working for an ISP company earlier, we 
learnt the lesson very quickly and ALWAYS informed customers about the 
realistic speeds they would get from a given connection... otherwise 
things got rather nasty rather quick.

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www via Quicklink Mobile?

[David Freels]

Does anyone have experience using Quicklink Mobile to access the Internet via 
Bluetoothed cell phones and a mac?

See
http://www.smithmicro.com/default.tpl?cart=10899955452231103&group=product_full&\
sku=QLMMAKEE

The software supports many phones including Sony Ericsson T616. Has anyone had 
experience with this?

How about upgrading to a Sony Ericsson T637 from T616? Does it still work?

Is there other cell/Powerbook connectivity software besides Quicklink?

Thanks.


David Freels
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Tucker, GA 30084-6714
770-491-6776 (phone)
720-234-5757 (fax)

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Re: looking before leaping

[Jeff Drummond]

Marcin Wichary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Remember this:  The maximum bandwidth on regular Airport (802.11b) is 
>> up to 11 mbps.  So far, the fastest consumer connection available 
>> within a reasonable price is up 3 to 3.5mbps.  So. . .why bother with 
>> Extreme?
>
>First of all, 11 Mbps is a nominal speed. You'll never get that.

True enough; but you're probably not going to get the full speed your
cable/dsl company promises you either.  ;)

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Re: USB question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On a recent trip to my local Micro Center, I saw some USB pherephials 
in the discout bin, a.k.a. the "Craig W. Department"(!)...

What is so different about USB 2.0, other than the "high speed?" Can 
it do more?
No, it's just faster.
Many, but not all USB 2.0 devices are backwards compatible with 1.1.
I am assuming my Wallstreet has USB 1.1. I also feel safe in guessing 
that a USB 2.0-equipped computer can use older USB stuff. If I ever 
need to do so, can my Wallstreet use USB 2.0 products w/ some adapter 
or something?
No, there is no solution, afaik, for USB 2.0 support on a Wallstreet. 
You would be better off finding Firewire versions of these peripherals 
and getting a firewire card.

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Re: USB question

[Tom Peterson]

My wallstreet doesn't have usb:) I had to purchase a USB2 card for the 
PCMCIA slots. It works with USB1.1 just fine thanks, and as I have no 
USB2 stuff, I cannot say for certain that it is really USB2.
On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,
On a recent trip to my local Micro Center, I saw some USB pherephials 
in the discout bin, a.k.a. the "Craig W. Department"(!)...

What is so different about USB 2.0, other than the "high speed?" Can 
it do more?

I am assuming my Wallstreet has USB 1.1. I also feel safe in guessing 
that a USB 2.0-equipped computer can use older USB stuff. If I ever 
need to do so, can my Wallstreet use USB 2.0 products w/ some adapter 
or something?

THanks,
Craig W.
Atlanta GA
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Re: looking before leaping

[Kenneth Vann]

<-Laurent.>

Airport software will run on the iBook if it has the built in Airport slot.
OS 8.6 and above.

Airport Software Compatibility:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75422


For a iMac, or other computer which does not have a PC Card slot or Airport
slot, Macwireless has a USB adaptor with software for OS 9-OSX
http://www.macwireless.com

And as always, go to Derek Miller's great site to see how to install
wireless on
older PowerBook computers:
http://www.penmachine.com/techie/airport1400.html


Ken Vann







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USB question

[COCCORP]

Hi,

On a recent trip to my local Micro Center, I saw some USB pherephials in the discout 
bin, a.k.a. the "Craig W. Department"(!)...

What is so different about USB 2.0, other than the "high speed?" Can it do more?

I am assuming my Wallstreet has USB 1.1. I also feel safe in guessing that a USB 
2.0-equipped computer can use older USB stuff. If I ever need to do so, can my 
Wallstreet use USB 2.0 products w/ some adapter or something? 

THanks,

Craig W.
Atlanta GA

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