Re: TO:Gmail and Mail
Whoa, you must have some high powered email accounts if Gmail is like all of your others. Gmail uses encrypted POP and SMTP. You certainly don't set them up like you set up a non-SSL email account. You don't use the same ports etc. Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant. It's just one or two checkboxes of a difference. And due to spam, secure mailboxes are becoming more and more popular... In any case... - log in to Gmail - click on Settings - click on Forwarding and POP - click on Enable POP for all mail - click on Configuration instructions below - click on Apple Mail Your instructions are there. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please
Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now, after having used fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999, I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help. We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . . .. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins) ... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after rebooting ... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3 (booting from DVD) ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off. . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1 Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was doing in these cases. So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far? Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2. Tried swapping / removing one at a time , no difference. Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much better but still bad: ..totally stable in 9.1 ..locks up sometimes in 9.2 ..will get part way through installing X10.3 So it is a lot better but not right. I have 3 theories: 1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133 would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful - they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had 3% returns, they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help. 2) The CPU card 3) The Mobo So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me! Ben -- The VidaVerde Seed Collection 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes East Sussex, BN7 1EL Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden: Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133 would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful - they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had 3% returns, they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help. I don't think increasing the RAM speed would help at all. The Lombards have a 66mhz bus speed, so having faster RAM won't help; the RAM will always reduce back to the bus speed. Prehaps there was some kind of mobo damage in the past, which also affected the other ram module? BTW, I've had trouble installing 10.2 multiple times on my perfectly working Beige G3; I had to try many times until one time it finally completed installing. I also once had a Duo 280c that would run fine when connected with the power adaptor, but when run off of a battery it would freeze often, sometimes when it was just idling. And when booted it would occasionally stay at a black screen and make a farting noise :/ Finally out of frustration I put my foot through it and, well, that was that. Mac problems can be very hard to figure out, as you are experiencing here. You might eventually be forced to purchace a whole new mobo :( That's my 3 cents worth Andrew -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please
On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Andrew, a Mac Freak wrote: 1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133 would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful - they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had 3% returns, they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help. I don't think increasing the RAM speed would help at all. The Lombards have a 66mhz bus speed, so having faster RAM won't help; the RAM will always reduce back to the bus speed. Prehaps there was some kind of mobo damage in the past, which also affected the other ram module? BTW, I've had trouble installing 10.2 multiple times on my perfectly working Beige G3; I had to try many times until one time it finally completed installing. I also once had a Duo 280c that would run fine when connected with the power adaptor, but when run off of a battery it would freeze often, sometimes when it was just idling. And when booted it I recall reading that the processor boards on Lombards were prone to issues with the cache memory on them. This could be one possible reason for the apparent sporadic nature of the issues that Andrew is seeing. I can't recall if there's a good way to test for this, or if it was a certain batch of processor cards that have the issue. Some googling might turn up more details. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: TO:Gmail and Mail
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:25 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: Whoa, you must have some high powered email accounts if Gmail is like all of your others. Gmail uses encrypted POP and SMTP. You certainly don't set them up like you set up a non-SSL email account. You don't use the same ports etc. Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant. It's just one or two checkboxes of a difference. And due to spam, secure mailboxes are becoming more and more popular... In any case... - log in to Gmail - click on Settings - click on Forwarding and POP - click on Enable POP for all mail - click on Configuration instructions below - click on Apple Mail Your instructions are there. I recently activated a Gmail account and I set it up to work with Mail. My only question about this is that I would think the people at Google would not have allowed this to happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that besides the 1GB of storage for the email, by setting it up via POP with a mail client, it seems that I can not take advantage of all of the features that sets Gmail apart from the others, i.e., the Google based search feature, etc. Just wanted to put that out there. Z THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: TO:Gmail and Mail
you can, just choose th archive the mail in the google site, and dont take it off the sever in your POP options, then you can have what you want where you want... On Feb 8, 2005, at 15:28, Zoltan Batiz wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:25 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: Whoa, you must have some high powered email accounts if Gmail is like all of your others. Gmail uses encrypted POP and SMTP. You certainly don't set them up like you set up a non-SSL email account. You don't use the same ports etc. Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant. It's just one or two checkboxes of a difference. And due to spam, secure mailboxes are becoming more and more popular... In any case... - log in to Gmail - click on Settings - click on Forwarding and POP - click on Enable POP for all mail - click on Configuration instructions below - click on Apple Mail Your instructions are there. I recently activated a Gmail account and I set it up to work with Mail. My only question about this is that I would think the people at Google would not have allowed this to happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that besides the 1GB of storage for the email, by setting it up via POP with a mail client, it seems that I can not take advantage of all of the features that sets Gmail apart from the others, i.e., the Google based search feature, etc. Just wanted to put that out there. Z THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Safari still lags on https . . .
Hello all, I recently posted a thread on this topic and didn't really get a response. Safari STILL hangs on all secure servers. It has gotten so bad, that I use IE for all secure transactions. Sometimes it can take as long as 5 MINUTES just to load a secure page. Is there a problem with Java? Bad version of Safari? Sites like Gmail won't even load, my bank website takes so long that sometimes the server times out. I've tried everything, re-installing Java, Safari and re-formatting my HDD. I even installed 10.3 on my external LaCie HDD and after a while, the lagging started again! I thought it might have been Airport, so I connected my Pismo to the ethernet and STILL no difference. Could this be one of the first signs of a G3 not being up to par for OS X? My grandma has the 17 flat panel iMac with an 800Mhz G4, 256 RAM and her software is up to date like my Pismo and while there is a slight hang, it's never longer than 10 seconds. At a lose here folks. I love Safari and want to keep it as my default browser, but if Apple doesn't fix this problem I'm going to have to switch to either Opera or Netscape. Thanks for any input. My only other possibility is Earthlink, but talking to their customer service is like calling SBC. My system: Pismo G3/500, 1gig RAM. All software up to date. Zoltan THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Safari still lags on https . . .
On Feb 09, 2005, at 01:34, Zoltan Batiz wrote: Could this be one of the first signs of a G3 not being up to par for OS X? Hmmm... perhaps... I'm accessing the bulk of my sites over HTTPS on a daily basis and Safari is doing just fine. If I recall there is/was an issue with DNS lookup in Mac OS X, which manifest(ed) itself with an host name not being properly resolved the first time around. But this is/was not specific to Safari, rather a bug in the OS itself. Other than the occasional DNS hiccup, Safari works just fine over HTTP/S in my experience. No complain on this side of the pound :) Most likely a very local problem on your machine I'm afraid. Cheers -- PA, Onnay Equitursay http://alt.textdrive.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
iBooks booting from CD?
My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and there's no known fix. So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on, reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk, and it reboots into Panther. Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on that, reboot holding down the C key. I get the folder/flashing question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then it boots back into Panther. It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD! Any way I can force it to do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that machine, ever? Thanks! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:52:00 -0500, - drive - drift - dream - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and there's no known fix. So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on, reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk, and it reboots into Panther. Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on that, reboot holding down the C key. I get the folder/flashing question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then it boots back into Panther. It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD! Any way I can force it to do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that machine, ever? Thanks! 10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a 1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4. What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or shareware equivalent? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Safari still lags on https . . .
on 08/02/05 19:34, Zoltan Batiz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I recently posted a thread on this topic and didn't really get a response. Safari STILL hangs on all secure servers. It has gotten so bad, that I use IE for all secure transactions. Sometimes it can take as long as 5 MINUTES just to load a secure page. Is there a problem with Java? Bad version of Safari? Sites like Gmail won't even load, my bank website takes so long that sometimes the server times out. I've tried everything, re-installing Java, Safari and re-formatting my HDD. I even installed 10.3 on my external LaCie HDD and after a while, the lagging started again! I thought it might have been Airport, so I connected my Pismo to the ethernet and STILL no difference. Could this be one of the first signs of a G3 not being up to par for OS X? My grandma has the 17 flat panel iMac with an 800Mhz G4, 256 RAM and her software is up to date like my Pismo and while there is a slight hang, it's never longer than 10 seconds. At a lose here folks. I love Safari and want to keep it as my default browser, but if Apple doesn't fix this problem I'm going to have to switch to either Opera or Netscape. Thanks for any input. My only other possibility is Earthlink, but talking to their customer service is like calling SBC. My system: Pismo G3/500, 1gig RAM. All software up to date. Zoltan THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER There must be something weird with your settings, in your account, because I regularly access secured web sites without any problem in Safari. That's in Panther, BTW, with all the updates... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] flat adj.: 1. [common] Lacking any complex internal structure. That bitty box has only a flat filesystem, not a hierarchical one. The verb form is flatten. 2. Said of a memory architecture (like that of the VAX or 680x0) that is one big linear address space (typically with each possible value of a processor register corresponding to a unique core address), as opposed to a `segmented' architecture (like that of the 80x86) in which addresses are composed from a base-register/offset pair (segmented designs are generally considered cretinous). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Safari still lags on https . . .
Hello all, I recently posted a thread on this topic and didn't really get a response. Safari STILL hangs on all secure servers. It has gotten so bad, that I use IE for all secure transactions. Sometimes it can take as long as 5 MINUTES just to load a secure page. Is there a problem with Java? Bad version of Safari? Sites like Gmail won't even load, my bank website takes so long that sometimes the server times out. I've tried everything, re-installing Java, Safari and re-formatting my HDD. I even installed 10.3 on my external LaCie HDD and after a while, the lagging started again! I thought it might have been Airport, so I connected my Pismo to the ethernet and STILL no difference. Could this be one of the first signs of a G3 not being up to par for OS X? My grandma has the 17 flat panel iMac with an 800Mhz G4, 256 RAM and her software is up to date like my Pismo and while there is a slight hang, it's never longer than 10 seconds. At a lose here folks. I love Safari and want to keep it as my default browser, but if Apple doesn't fix this problem I'm going to have to switch to either Opera or Netscape. Thanks for any input. My only other possibility is Earthlink, but talking to their customer service is like calling SBC. My system: Pismo G3/500, 1gig RAM. All software up to date. Zoltan THE BLUETOOTH (and WiFi) MASTER Three things to try: Quit Safari every once in a while, the longer it runs the slower it gets. Quitting and relaunching speeds things up. Turn off auto-fill forms. Safari checks the auto-fill list for every site it goes to. Delete history and cache files from safari. Use one of the maintenance /cleanup utilities like Cocktail ($) or Onyx (Free). This should speed up Safari considerably. John -- People say that hard work never killed anybody, but did you ever know anybody who rested to death? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
On 8-Feb-05, at 9:03 PM, Jacob wrote: 10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a 1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4. What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or shareware equivalent? It's a program in Python, PyDance. It *is* open source. But no one knows how to fix it. I don't know of any sufficiently functional equivalents. Why do they do that to the machines? I'm buying a new computer, why can't I install whatever OS version I like on it? It's not like I'm trying to install the no longer supported OS 9 or anything. What difference would it make to them if someone wanted to run Jaguar on their machine, too? Can it boot off an external Firewire drive running Jaguar? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
On 8-Feb-05, at 10:19 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote: 10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a 1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4. What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or shareware equivalent? It's a program in Python, PyDance. It *is* open source. But no one knows how to fix it. I don't know of any sufficiently functional equivalents. Well, there's StepMania, but it's just not the same...it's like Fireworks when you're a diehard Photoshop user... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
It most likely won't boot on any OS before 10.3.5. I recently bought the 2005 12 Ibook 1.2 and it was shipped with 10.3.5 it won't boot with anything else. Jim On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:52 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote: My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and there's no known fix. So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on, reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk, and it reboots into Panther. Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on that, reboot holding down the C key. I get the folder/flashing question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then it boots back into Panther. It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD! Any way I can force it to do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that machine, ever? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
On 8-Feb-05, at 11:11 PM, Jim Dynes wrote: It most likely won't boot on any OS before 10.3.5. I recently bought the 2005 12 Ibook 1.2 and it was shipped with 10.3.5 it won't boot with anything else. Yeah, that's what I got...even though I managed to get Jaguar installed on the iBook by using it as a Firewire target drive from my desktop, still can't convince it to boot from that... (can't use my desktop for the program due to the floors where my desktop's located...) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: iBooks booting from CD?
Why do they do that to the machines? I'm buying a new computer, why can't I install whatever OS version I like on it? It's not like I'm trying to install the no longer supported OS 9 or anything. What difference would it make to them if someone wanted to run Jaguar on their machine, too? Because new hardware=updated software. Every time Apple makes a new computer, they update the current version of the system to work with the new hardware and ship it with that. If they made it possible to run an older OS on new machines, they would have to use OLD hardware supported by the older system, which completely demolishes the point of buying a new computer. You wouldn't buy a new computer, only to find it uses old outdated hardware. That's basically why old systems don't work on new hardware. Andrew -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
