Re: Faulty keyboard ?/poor repair job
On 11-Feb-06, at 1:07 AM, Geoffrey Peters wrote: Yes. Find another Apple reseller, and report him to Apple Computer. He exhibits the *totally* wrong attitude for him to be selling, let alone fixing, Macs. Geoffrey Hi Geoffrey, Thanks for your reply. I have located another service center and it appears they will be dealing with it now. As for the keyboard, this guy really did a poor job of installing it. It does not appear to be seated properly like the original one was and protrudes very noticeably on the right side and bottom. What a pain in the neck !! I hope Apple deals appropriately with this guy - not only for telling me to not call them about any repairs he was doing but for doing such a poor job of the installation and not even bothering to test it before returning it to me !! Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Faulty keyboard ?
On 11-Feb-06, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yell bloody murder! It isn't up to the tech to decide whether or not the feature is important. Apple provides it, touts it. I'd do three things: 1) move up the chain at that store - complain to the service manager, manager and owner. Demand that it be fixed properly. 2) report the matter to Apple's customer service. 3) if you don't get satisfaction move to another dealer david Hi David, Thanks - I spent a couple hours on the phone with Apple on Saturday - very frustrating but it eventually got sorted out. I am definitely going to be speaking to the Manager at the store tomorrow too. It seems this service tech is the only one who works in the service department so there is nobody there above him. He reports to the store manager. I do not want this service tech working on my Powerbook any further though given what has transpired thus far. I just don't trust him with it anymore. I am going to take it to another service provider that Apple has already talked to. The store called me after Apple talked to them and informed me that they will make arrangements to have it fixed.We'll see how it goes. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
They'd have to know what to look for, I believe. Also, I thought there was an option that Dan could choose to keep the list from being searchable. He may have don that. (Dan?) Overall I'm comfortable with being on Google. Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Moving to Google Groups
I'm not sure since I always use the last post all email as they come in option. I don't think you need to unsubscribe--you can change your optiions at will. Later...Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 3:25 pm -0600, Howard Katz wrote: They'd have to know what to look for, I believe. Also, I thought there was an option that Dan could choose to keep the list from being searchable. He may have don that. (Dan?) Overall I'm comfortable with being on Google. So am I - as long as people quote some context so I have a clue what they're talking about. ;-) TimH -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:06:03 -0800, sandra ragan wrote Having run into this by accident last week... just thought I'd remind you all that random Google searches can bring up your posts to this list... nothing in these electronic forums should be considered private and may come back to haunt you... You should always think of email like mailing a postcard, anyone can read the information. You won't believe how many people think Email is private. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
On Sunday, February 12, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Jon Kotek wrote: On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:06:03 -0800, sandra ragan wrote Having run into this by accident last week... just thought I'd remind you all that random Google searches can bring up your posts to this list... nothing in these electronic forums should be considered private and may come back to haunt you... You should always think of email like mailing a postcard, anyone can read the information. You won't believe how many people think Email is private. An important point to keep in mind is that employers (and prospective dating partners, for that matter) routinely do informal background checks via Google. Also, HR people often join Friendster and the like to cull personal info on prospective employees. New York Magazine did a piece a few months ago on this called MySpace Invaders: http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/people/columns/intelligencer/ 15075/ Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Moving to Google Groups
On Sunday, February 12, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Howard Katz wrote: I'm not sure since I always use the last post all email as they come in option. I don't think you need to unsubscribe--you can change your optiions at will. Later...Howard The worst case scenario is that Google owns your/our comments and will either give them to the governmemt or use it to target us with specific narrowcast advertising. Here's a decent, fair piece on the pros and cons of Google ownership of personal online content in this respect from the London review of Books called The Global id : http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n02/lanc01_.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Moving to Google Groups (me, NEVER!)
Stardate 060212.13:09 -0500. A subspace message from Donald Keenan reads: The worst case scenario is that Google owns your/our comments and will either give them to the governmemt or use it to target us with specific narrowcast advertising. Amongst other things. Shame to see this list disappear into the oblivion that is Google ... Geoffrey -- -- Endian Little Hate I --- -- I'm afraid music in the modern idiom is too repetitive for my tastes ... although the rhythm does have a certain hypnotic effect. -- Brains (International Rescue Engineer, 'Thunderbirds' (c) Gerry Anderson 1969) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ATA-5 and ATA-6: The differences, and why it's important
On Feb 11, 2006, at 3:32 PM, PeterH5322 wrote: This is primarily a Lombard and Pismo issue. And, those Lombards and Pismos which are provided with drives which don't auto-negotiate properly, which may include the latest Toshiba and Hitachi/IBM drives, and which definitely includes the Samsung drives, Don't be too quick to damn Samsung drives. I put a brand new 60gb 5400rpm Samsung drive in my wife's Pismo last spring. The drive has performed flawlessly since then. -Dylan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ATA-5 and ATA-6: The differences, and why it's important
Don't be too quick to damn Samsung drives. I put a brand new 60gb 5400rpm Samsung drive in my wife's Pismo last spring. The drive has performed flawlessly since then. I'm not damning Samsung, not at all. Samsung was (perhaps still is) the value leader in state-of-the-art fluid dynamic bearing laptop drives. I was an early tester and adopter of these Spinrite drives, and I love 'em, lots and lots. My Wallstreets all have 40 GB Spinrites. However, when it came time to upgrade the then new-to-me Lombard and Pismo PBs, Spinrites turned out to be a no-go. Perhaps Samsung has changed its firmware to accommodate the flaw. It would be in good company as Hitachi and Toshiba also have the same, or a similar flaw in some of their newer drives. Anyway, when it came time to upgrade my Lombard, I bought and installed a Spinrite, and it wouldn't work for the reasons detailed previously. I returned the Spinrite, and took a 15 percent restocking charge. Then I bought a Hitachi/IBM 5K80, and it worked like a champ. Later, I obtained the Pismo and tried a new Spinrite in it, and it also was a no-go. Yet another 15 percent restocking charge. So, I placed an order for an IBM 5K80, but the seller subbed a like-sized newer model Hitachi/IBM drive (I don't remember its designation), and that one was a no-go, too. Yet another restocking charge ... waived at my very strong insistence. When I FINALLY got the 5K80 I originally ordered in the Pismo, it was very happy. Thereafter, I went on to experience interface problems, and to solve these, too, with fast DVD recorders, in Lombards and Pismos. So, it is not just hard drives which have problems with Lombards and Pismos! The fix for the fast DVD recorder is in hacked DVD recorder firmware. Sadly, this hacked DVD recorder firmware is applicable only to the Pioneer DVR-K15 drive. However, the trials and tribulations were worth it as my Lombard and Pismo work perfectly as portable/field use DVD/CD authoring/duplicating machines, and with the same or better performance as my stationary BW machines. Lombard: 400 MHz hardware DVD decoder (OS 9)/software decoder (OS X) 60 GB IBM 5K80 Pismo: 500 MHz hardware DVD decoder (OS 9)/software decoder (OS X) 60 GB IBM 5K80 BW #1: 450 MHz hardware DVD decoder (OS 9)/software decoder (OS X) 300 GB Seagate BW #2: 400 MHz hardware DVD decoder (OS 9)/software decoder (OS X) 300 GB Maxtor -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Abandon All Hope, All Ye Who Google Here (was:Google Group Not Compatible)
Stardate 060212.11:44 -0800. A subspace message from Gunni reads: I tried to open the Digest email I received on Sunday, 12FEB06, and got the alert noting that Digest Viewer cannot read this type of Digest. Marginalized again, I know how you feel. Google is the pits. I've said three times already, I'll repeat it again: I will never join the Google Groups edition of this list, and I will noisily and constantly continue to decry how BAD this idea to migrate G-Books is to Google until the MacLaunch list dies. Geoffrey -- -- Endian Little Hate I --- -- I'm afraid music in the modern idiom is too repetitive for my tastes ... although the rhythm does have a certain hypnotic effect. -- Brains (International Rescue Engineer, 'Thunderbirds' (c) Gerry Anderson 1969) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Moving to Google Groups
Alas, getting posts to the G-Book List in Digest form won't work with this list on Google groups, whereas it did work previously. I tried to open the Digest email I received on Sunday, 12FEB06, from the Google list and got the alert noting that Digest Viewer cannot read this type of Digest. Marginalized again, bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
Tim Hodgson wrote: I think Sandra's making the distinction between a private mailing list, such as G-Books was, and a list which is publicly archived and can thus be searched via Google. But I don't know whether that's true of Google groups. I'm on other lists that archive the postings. If I Google my name or the specific topic I find links to my e-mail in the archives. Even if that were not true, one should assume that anything posted on the web is out there somewhere for all to see. Woody They'd have to know what to look for, I believe. Also, I thought there was an option that Dan could choose to keep the list from being searchable. He may have done that. (Dan?) As an experiment to confirm what I thought: I belong to 5 Yahoo Groups. Only one of them has PUBLIC archives. I Googled myself in all sorts of forms. I did find some records - ONLY from the list that had PUBLIC archives. OK, I just went to Google Groups. This new group has PUBLIC archives. Concetta -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: ATA-5 and ATA-6: The differences, and why it's important was Re: Lombard
From: PeterH5322 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If both behave by the rules, then any combination works. If one behaves by the rules, but the other doesn't, then the combination is indeterminate ... might work, might not work. If both misbehave, then no combination works (Lombard and Pismo, and late Toshiba and Hitachi/IBM). It's that simple. Those who have Lombards or Pismos, and want to get into the sweet spot of $$$/GB, say, 60 or 80 GB, are going to have to look for earlier Toshibas or Hitachi/IBMs, which are quickly going out of inventory. OTOH, the new Seagate laptop models seem to be OK, although this is not from first-hand experience. The best drive for the Lombard and Pismo, IMO, is the recently discontinued Hitachi/IBM 5K80. -- Peter ; Thank you for your insights into this matter and it seems that I have an ATA-6 40gb drive made by Toshiba model id MK4025GAS so it looks as if I might have to find someone to trade with. Oh, well so be it. *** -- Brad 55417-1734 Pwr Mac G4 64 MB Radeon 7000 AGP Graphics OWC Mercury Extreme 1GHZ CPU Upgrade 1.15GB Ram 9GB Quantum Fireball/ OS 9.2.2 WDC 80GB/ OS X.4.4 Pioneer DVR 105 Pwr Mac G3 BW 64MB Radeon 7000 PCI Graphics card 450MHZ CPU 1gb ram 120 gb Maxtor DiamondMaxPlus X.4.4/80gb Hitachi Deskstar Sata harddrive X.4/ 40gb Maxtor DiamondMax ATA hard drive/9.2.2 Seritek SATA Controller card/Pioneer DVR 105 OS X.3.9/ Lexmark X1185 all- in- one printer Powerbook 3400c 200MHZ, 144MB ram, 2gig harddrive, OS 9.1, modules; floppy, cd-rom, zip drive Pwrbk G3 Lombard 128mb ram/4gb hard drive/ OS X.2.8 If it's good to you, it's good for you -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: on line privacy
On Feb 12, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Concetta Z wrote: As an experiment to confirm what I thought: I was looking for something else and did a simple google search on plumdigital ... the results list contained two recent posts from this list... because it caught my email address... a pretty easy thing to search on. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com Knowledge is a rare thing -- you gain by giving it away. —Ivan Sutherland -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---