Re: upgrading my wallstreet

[Lisa & Tom P]

On 29 Aug 2005, at 19:29, Lisa & Tom P wrote:


You can also get upgrades from Daystar [snip].  I bought a G4/466 
from Daystar for $210. It works great.


Mad Dog




I didn't find any Wallstreet upgrades at Daystar.  Wegener's prices 
seem quite for a G3 upgrade to 400 MHz.


J Sanderson


Its a custom job they will do if you ask.

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Re: Wallstreet pcmcia card

[Lisa & Tom P]

I just acquired a used ADS USB 2 port USB pcmcia card ( got it to enable a
USB mouse, and smart media card adapter)It came without instructions.
I plugged it in to the top slot, and a little empty box showed up on the
sccreen. I tried both an apple  usb mouse and a usb card reader, but neither
showed up.. Then I pushed the tiny button over it and it ejected.
An hour later the Wallstreet crashed for the first time (seperate email
concerning)
Any help? thanks much!, Del


You might have to install the USB software.  I cant remember where to 
find it but I think its "USB Extensions 1.4.1" or something like that.


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Re: Wallstreet crash

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We have had this little beauty for a year - and without a problem, we  only
use it for Quick Books in our family biz.
It just crashed to the extent it won't even shut off, (cursor is frozen and
turn on button is non-functional), but unlike our Imac and G4 tower I have
no idea where the forced restart button (hole ) is...
 Does it have one?
Other ideas?
 I can't even turn it off - and unplugging it is a last resortthanks!,
Del
(I will post seperatly what may have caused the problem.)


If you look at the back set of ports there is a small graphic thats 
shows the combination :


fn-cntr-shift-power

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Re: upgrading my wallstreet

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i've been meaning to fix my 250 wallstreet for some time now, i've 
got the sound card/power supply part to replace, i'm getting more 
ram to install (2 x 256), and now i'm thinking... is it worth it to 
buy one of those sonnet crescendo upgrades?


owc lists two models, one is a g4/500 upgrade for $350 and the other 
is a g3/500 upgrade for $200.


i'll likely do the processor upgrade, but can anyone tell me, is the 
g4 worth $150 more than the g3? anyone have any experience or 
knowledge?


thanks in advance.

david


You can also get upgrades from Daystar and wegener media.  I bought a 
G4/466 from Daystar for $210. It works great.


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Re: ram for wallstreet

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 > i have two ram slots, i can put 256 in both max.,

Yup.


 the lower slot should be  "low profile" DIMM,


Yup.


 i should use SDRAM memory of 100Mhz or greater "PC  100", and use ram with

2-2-2 speed...


The wallstreets can use 66 Mhz Ram for either WS1 or WS2.  Evidently 
the Ram isnt clocked to 83 Mhz in the WS1, IIRC.


RAM for a WS is dead cheap these days on Ebay.  Check out a seller 
named "Ramdirect".


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Re: Lombard problem

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 > I did remove the PRAM battery and the processor in an earlier attempt

 with no results.

 I just tried removing the power board and the machine refused to do
 anything.

 Since the logic board swap failed, I feel that leaves me with one of
 two choices: The sound board or the power board. Which would be the
 most likely suspect?


Well the machine won't run with out the power or sound board, I was
suggesting swapping for a known good one.


The machine is powering up (green light and fan running), so its 
probably not the sound/AC board.


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Re: Wonky Wallstreet

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How important is the pram battery in the Wallstreet?
At $45 shipped and involved installation, how much
difference would it make for a unit with a so-so
battery that's usually plugged in?


A wallstreet should still function with a dead PRAM.  If you want to 
keep the date and time correct you will need the PRAM battery.


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Re: Wonky Wallstreet

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My reply follows quote.

On 8/14/05, at 10:23 am -0400, Lisa & Tom P wrote:

Thats the fan spinning up.  This seems to happen if your PRAM 
battery is dead.


Do you get a boot chime ?


no
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Thanks,

Paul


You were right about the next step, then.  Check and make sure 
everything is seated properly.  If that doesnt help, swap out the RAM.


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Re: Wonky Wallstreet

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My son's Wallstreet won't boot (at all, at all).

 When I plug it in the little green light lights and I can hear what I have
to think is the HD spinning, but nothing else happens.


Thats the fan spinning up.  This seems to happen if your PRAM battery is dead.

Do you get a boot chime ?

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Re: Wallstreet upgrades

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on 7/22/05 1:12 PM, Lisa & Tom P at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Ebay is the easiest source.

 For wireless cards, if you are staying in OS 9, you an Orinioco Silver or
 Gold.

 Mad Dog



So this card would work with the airport software or do I need a 3rd party
driver? I remember when I had a lombard before and I bought a MS wireless
adapter and a 3rd party driver and it worked. I found this on eBay think it
would work ok?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6787374662&category=74954
&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

Thanks!


Right now I am using a Lucent Orinico Silver card with  the OS 9.2 
Airport drivers on this Wallstreet.


I _think_ the card on Ebay will work for you.

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Re: Wallstreet upgrades

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I have enough parts for maybe 2 more Wallstreet 2's if I can get CPU's for
them. I want to get some other upgrades that would cross over between the
two. Specifically hard drive, ram, wireless card, CPU, and USB.


Ebay is the easiest source.

For wireless cards, if you are staying in OS 9, you an Orinioco Silver or Gold.

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Re: What laptop is it?

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Hi Folks,

Can anyone identify this laptop I please?

Its a G3 PowerBook, one that looks like a "Pismo", but its not, its
much thicker than a "Pismo".  It has a black keyboard, and its specs
are 233MHz, 2Gb HD, 32Mb RAM, although I have upgraded it to 256Mb.

I am guessing its a Lombard, but I just want to check. I need to know
as I am looking for a few parts for it.  I need the two rubber
stoppers at the top of the inside of the screen, a new outer LCD case
and a CD-ROM or DVD drive - so if anyone has any spare in the UK, let
me know!

Thanks,

Andrew McCall


Wallstreet, probably revision 1.

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Re: Processor upgrade for Lombard?

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Is there a processor upgrade for a powerbook G3
Lombard (either a G3 or G4)?
TIA.
Pete.


Daystar and Wegener media sell upgrade cards, although you have to 
send your CPU in.


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WS sound/AC board

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Anyone have a sound/AC board for sale ?  I can buy ones with the loose AC port.

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Re: my pb dongs! but nothing else

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I've actually had an external monitor hooked up this whole time for that
very reason. It ended up simulcasting on both.

I got it to work! But it won't work with the keyboard. If I hook one of the
three up it won't power on, without the keyboard hooked up it works fine.
This is driving the 14 LCD at 1024x768, haven't checked the VRAM tho.

I'm gonna try different top plastics and see if that fixes it. Got to tear
it down again though.

Mike K


Hmmmwith the keyboard in, can you do a power manager reset (from 
either keyboard ?).


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Re: my pb dongs! but nothing else

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Got a WS 1 mobo with a 292MHz CPU, I checked the bottom and made sure it was
a Rage LT (not a Pro) and the CPU is labeled as a 292MHz. I hooked
everything up and when I plug the AC in it powers on, LED lights up, FAN
spins, then it shuts down. Press the power button it dongs but NO power LED
and no video. The CPU heatsink heats up though so I know its on.


Have you tried the video out (VGA) ?  COuld be a bad cable connection 
from the LCD to motherboard.


Also, if you plug a HD in, does it spin up ?

Also, one thing comes to mind: the unit with no S-video only has 2 
megs of VRAM, which might not drive the 13.3" screen.  Try swapping 
another screen, or use the external video.


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Wallstreet battery ?

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Do any of the external chargers for Wallstreet batteries offer any 
sort of battery reconditioning ?  I have a few batteries that wont 
charge and Battery Reset doesnt help.


thanks,

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Re: Wallstreet probs

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Just to clarify:

Wallstreet II motherboards had a Rage LT chip on the bottom? That's how I
tell the difference?

My CPU's are labeled, one is a 233MHz, no cache, found some pics on the web,
and the other is a 292MHz. ALL the mobo's I have have the LT chip on the
bottom. What's weird is a couple of the powerbooks had these CPU's in them
with the mobo with the LT chip. Maybe they were replaced with the wrong ones
or something.

So how do I know for sure if it is a Wallstreet II mobo or not? Or CPU for
that matter if its not labeled? Is there a website? Thanks!


Wallstreet 1 has the Rage LT.  Wallstreet 2 has the Rage LT Pro or 
Rage Pro LT (cant remember which it is).


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Re: PB G3 power prob

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Does the CPU card in question have both L2 chips next to the CPU, or
one cache chip on the front of the card, and one on the backside ?

Mad Dog

Both are next to the CPU, with the label U3 and U2 above them. Both have
Motorola markings on them. There are 4 SEC chips that look like RAM/Cache
that sit underneath the top RAM slot on the card.

Mike K
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That means its a 250 or 292 Wallstreet 1 CPU.

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Re: PB G3 power prob

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If it boot chimes and the HD seems to be working, but you get no

 video, this most likely means you have a Wallstreet 1 CPU (233/no L2,
 250, 292 MHz) on a Wallstreet2 motherboard (Rage Pro LT video
 chipset).



I have a 292 and 233, but the one that isn't labeled is this:

ck8241xxbkeaw (kinda hard to read so I may have messed a few)

the mobo does have the Rgae LT Pro chip on it.



Does the CPU card in question have both L2 chips next to the CPU, or 
one cache chip on the front of the card, and one on the backside ?


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Re: PB G3 power prob

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I would first try reseating the processor card (if they are the
"G3 Series" machines, AKA Wallstreet.

Ken


Ok, I took all of them apart so I had a pile of parts then I started
swapping stuff out. Now I get it to power on and dong, but then no video,
and the CPU heats up so I assume it's on. I've tried 3 different LCD's and
the external hookup. No power LED tho ... weird. Any ideas? I should show u
guys pics, I have a mobo hooked up to the different parts, and LCD leaning
against another monitor for support. Lol.


If it boot chimes and the HD seems to be working, but you get no 
video, this most likely means you have a Wallstreet 1 CPU (233/no L2, 
250, 292 MHz) on a Wallstreet2 motherboard (Rage Pro LT video 
chipset).


The WS1 CPUs do not get video out on a WS2 mobo.  I am guessing the 
ROMs on the WS1 CPU dont understand the newer video chipset on the 
WS2 mobo.


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Re: WallStreet

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All of the advance setting are turned off (not checked in the check box)
Do I need to turn on "Processor cycling" or any of these other settings.
Shaack


My guess was that with Processor Cylcing enabled the machine would 
try to go to sleep while playing a DVD, which throttles down the CPU.


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Re: WallStreet

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I have a 300mhz wall street that has the DVD card and player. plenty 
of ram and running 9.2.1. Why after 10:00 mins or so of running a 
movie it will start to stutter and not play correctly. Is it 
something with the player, the card, or the software and how to 
correct it. I usually run this machine only from the power supply 
and not the battery.


Shaack


Under the Energy Saver control panel, do you have "processor cycling" enabled ?

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Re: lombard and tiger

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hola a todos:
i want to know if this is possible: can i install tiger in dvd in a 
lombard using an external dvd drive? what would i need to do it? has 
anybody had success in installing tiger in lombard other that 
switching the hd with a pismo or similar? i have a 5 pack of tiger 
and do not want to exchange my dvd's for cd's.

thanks in advanced!
gladys


You will need X Post Facto which you can get from www.macsales.com. 
Read the manual and it will be clear.


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Lisa & Tom P]

On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:13 AM, G-Books wrote:


From: Lisa & Tom P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30
+ shpping, IIRC.


Daystar asks $110 for the L2 cache replace/repair plus the cost of shipping.

bill


?!?!  I guess prices have gone up quite a bit since I got a quote.

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Re: Pismo problems help needed ASAP!

[Lisa & Tom P]

Stuck @ spinning gear at start up will spin forever, I reset NVRAM no help
Did command-s it stopped before it competed the check and did not make it to
the prompt. I the last 2 succeful boots  one soon had video problems white
lines through the text and loss of icons in task bar, clicking on blank bar
and icon picture came back. It also came up with message " .You must
restart computer." Seems ominous... I am typing from an old windows box
to try to get some help. Pismo is G4 500 upgrade/ 1 gig of ram/ 60 gig
toshiba drive and 8x superdrive!

Any help wpu;d be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Kevin


is this under OS X?  If so, can you boot in verbose mode and find out 
where is has trouble ?


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Lisa & Tom P]

IIRC that is only with a G4 upgrade.

Mike


They can replace the L2 with A G3 or a G4, but it might be tied to 
purchasing the new CPU.  Its worth asking them if they will change 
out only the L2 cache.  if Daystar wont do it Wegener might.


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

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Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30 
+ shpping, IIRC.


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13.3" WS screen

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 >

 If anyone is interested, I think I have a fix for the wallstreet
 13.3" screen problem (white lines appearing).


Go on then ...

Apart from taking the screen apart and taping the cable in place ?


I dont have pics yet, but I take the screen back off, and put a small 
plastic shim between the metal stiffener and the plug head.  Then, I 
use a thin piece of stiff foam to go over the cable back.  Together, 
this has fixed this 13.3 screen I am using on this WS.  No more white 
lines.


I hope to put pics up sometime soon.

thanks,

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Re: real estate situation

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If anyone is interested, I think I have a fix for the wallstreet 
13.3" screen problem (white lines appearing).


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Re: Lombard OS X Install

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In a not so small nutshell, I have a lombard and have installed OS X 
via a firewire external HDD. All is grand. I repeated the process on 
a slightly smaller (30 vs 20 gig) and it is an abject failure. It 
will boot to the grey screen and the Apple logo, then it goes to 
slanted line (bar) through a circle. I can boot both HDD via 
firewire on my ibook and run the OS just fine. The only difference 
that I can tell is that the original HD is a clone of my iBook. The 
second HD was a clone of the iBook, but then I formatted and did a 
new install of OS X (this HD is for another Lombard).  The problem 
seems to be the smaller HD, as the larger HD works fine. I suspect 
the OS install is the culprit, though I can't tell you why. At any 
rate, help would be greatly appreciated.


Henry


Which version ?  10.4 ?

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Re: FireWire card for wallstreet

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Does anyone know of a USB/Firewire combo card usable on a WS ?

thanks,

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Re: Wallstreet issues

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On 22 Jun 2005, at 20:53, Lisa & Tom P wrote:



Has anyone figured out a way to get the fan on a Wallstreet to 
actually run during operations ?  The WS seems to run pretty how 
with either the G3/300 or a G4/466.


On a separate note, I am having some trouble with my new G4/466 
upgrade from Daystar.  I noticed after running a few minutes under 
OS X 10.3.9, the unit would lock up the first time it went to 
sleep. Under OS 9.2.2, the unit would lock up within 60 seconds of 
booting. This did not appear to be a heat issue.


After installing the XLR8 software, and using the write through 
cache setting, the lockups under OS X stopped and the unit runs 
fine in X. I did the same for OS 9.2.2, and it didnt improve 
anything.  I tried an entirely different hard drive with 9.2.2 on 
it, and the same lock up occurred.  I made sure to enable power 
conservation under both OS versions.  it also doesnt seem to be RAM 
related.


This appears to be some sort of software issue with OS 9 and a G4. 
Has anyone run across this type of problem before ?


Only when I used an old TravelStar HD.  It would do exactly as you 
describe.  Doubt this is a software issue.


J Sanderson


So you had a G4 card and a Travelstar under OS 9, and that caused the 
problem ?  I wonder if there is some setting for the drive that can 
be changed ?


thanks,

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Wallstreet issues

[Lisa & Tom P]

Has anyone figured out a way to get the fan on a Wallstreet to 
actually run during operations ?  The WS seems to run pretty how with 
either the G3/300 or a G4/466.


On a separate note, I am having some trouble with my new G4/466 
upgrade from Daystar.  I noticed after running a few minutes under OS 
X 10.3.9, the unit would lock up the first time it went to sleep. 
Under OS 9.2.2, the unit would lock up within 60 seconds of booting. 
This did not appear to be a heat issue.


After installing the XLR8 software, and using the write through cache 
setting, the lockups under OS X stopped and the unit runs fine in X. 
I did the same for OS 9.2.2, and it didnt improve anything.  I tried 
an entirely different hard drive with 9.2.2 on it, and the same lock 
up occurred.  I made sure to enable power conservation under both OS 
versions.  it also doesnt seem to be RAM related.


This appears to be some sort of software issue with OS 9 and a G4. 
Has anyone run across this type of problem before ?


thanks,

Mad Dog

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