Re: Bcc quirk?

[Peter Saint James]

On 19 Jul 2005, at 12:39 AM, Harry Corsover wrote:


1. I don't see how an address is added to an email by clicking on  
it in Address Book. I started with this message, clicking in the To  
field. Then, in Address Book, clicking on an address does nothing  
except open that contact in the right-hand pane in Address Book.  
Double clicking opens a separate window for that contact in Address  
Book. Is this a matter of settings or preferences? I'm using Mail  
2.0.2 and Address Book 4.0.2. So, since it has never worked for me  
that way for any Mail field, I apparently misunderstood the question.



What I understood is that by clicking on the Address Book button  
on the tool bar of a new message or reply gets you access to Address  
Book listings and clicking on the listing gets that name and address  
in the proper field.  Address book application is not opened.



2. Why use the Address Book in the first place? If you know the  
name of a person you want to send an email to, just start typing.  
If that person has more than one email address, a list will pop  
down; same thing for different recipients whose names begin with  
the same characters.



I would find it more convenient to use the click method because  
I wouldn't have to remember how the entry was make in address book, I  
could chose which e-mail address, and other things.  I might want to  
choose several listings or see the list to jog my memory.  It's just  
a different way that minds work.  For someone who used Bcc  
frequently, I could see this would be a source of irritation and  
inconvenience.  I think this program behavior is a bug.




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Re: here's that bcc quirk explained

[P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

I'm running Panther 10.3.9 and can't do this.

Perhaps you have a third party app going?

When you say mouse-click is that a single-click (left-click)?

Do you mean the Address panel (not AddressBook.app)? A whole different 
animal. I see buttons for "To" and "CC" but not "BCC".


***After a little trial - I think I understand what you are doing: 
setting your cursor in a field (To, CC, BCC). Opening the Address panel 
(NOT AddressBook), via Window-> Address panel or via the icon in the 
Mail.app Toolbar. Double-clicking on a name in the list and it appears 
in the field selected.


Tiger is running on an external, so don't have time to try before 
sending this out.

Turtle-Bear


On Jul 18, 2005, at 7:07 PM, Dennis Reeder wrote:

If I put the cursor in the "To" panel, mouse click and then open 
address book, select a name, and mouse click again then that name 
appears in the "To" panel.  As it should.


But, in Panther I could place my cursor into the Bcc panel and do a 
mouse click.  Then I could open my address book and mouse click on a 
name and that name would appear in the bcc panel. Simple.  I could 
select one name or several and they would all zip right into the bcc 
panel.



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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Harry Corsover]

On Jul 18, 2005, at 4:32 PM, Peter Saint James wrote:


On 17 Jul 2005, at 9:39 PM, Harry Corsover wrote:


The choice is there, just not in Address Book. Do you see that  
little box to the left of "Account"? It's a popup list that  
includes bcc as well as Reply-to. Or, you can type Command-Option- 
B to toggle the bcc field. Then start typing names and they will  
be completed, or drag to the desired field.


How would you like to see it work?




I don't think this is what is being discussed.

Getting the field to show up is easy as you say.  But filling  
that field from address book as one fills other fields from address  
book does not seem to work.  For the "To" and "CC" field one can  
simply click on a listing in address book.  For "BCC" one must drag  
and drop.  The original poster says this is a recent change.  Seems  
a puzzlement that such a difference would occur.




Thanks, Peter. I must have missed that first post. However, two  
things still puzzle me:


1. I don't see how an address is added to an email by clicking on it  
in Address Book. I started with this message, clicking in the To  
field. Then, in Address Book, clicking on an address does nothing  
except open that contact in the right-hand pane in Address Book.  
Double clicking opens a separate window for that contact in Address  
Book. Is this a matter of settings or preferences? I'm using Mail  
2.0.2 and Address Book 4.0.2. So, since it has never worked for me  
that way for any Mail field, I apparently misunderstood the question.


2. Why use the Address Book in the first place? If you know the name  
of a person you want to send an email to, just start typing. If that  
person has more than one email address, a list will pop down; same  
thing for different recipients whose names begin with the same  
characters.


The only time I use the Address Book is when I can't recall enough of  
the contact info to start typing it, or when I don't recall the name  
of a group I've created.


Regards,

Harry Corsover


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here's that bcc quirk explained

[Dennis Reeder]

Harry:

I would like to see Mail and the address book work exactly the same  
way it worked in Panther.


Yes, in Tiger I can start typing the recipients name in the bcc  
panel.  And yes the name will be completed.  That's fine.


I can also drag and drop a name from my address book into the bcc  
panel and that will work fine.  Drag and drop works but it is  
significantly slower than the method offered in Panther.  And yes, I  
use the bcc option a lot!


If I put the cursor in the "To" panel, mouse click and then open  
address book, select a name, and mouse click again then that name  
appears in the "To" panel.  As it should.


But, in Panther I could place my cursor into the Bcc panel and do a  
mouse click.  Then I could open my address book and mouse click on a  
name and that name would appear in the bcc panel. Simple.  I could  
select one name or several and they would all zip right into the bcc  
panel.


It appears that I have lost that ability in Tiger (using 10.4.2 on a  
G4 iBook).


Here's what happens in Tiger:  Place cursor in bcc panel.  Mouse  
click.  Open address book.  Select name.  Mouse click and voila the  
name appears in the "To" panel NOT the "bcc" panel.


Hence the quirk or bug.

Three options available in Panther to get a name into the bcc panel.

Two options in Tiger to get a name into the bcc panel.

Yeah, I can still use the bcc function but it's not as elegant and/or  
as simple as it was in Panther.


Denny



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Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:39:05 -0600

The choice is there, just not in Address Book. Do you see that little
box to the left of "Account"? It's a popup list that includes bcc as
well as Reply-to. Or, you can type Command-Option-B to toggle the bcc
field. Then start typing names and they will be completed, or drag to
the desired field.

How would you like to see it work?

Regards,

Harry Corsover


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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Peter Saint James]

On 17 Jul 2005, at 9:39 PM, Harry Corsover wrote:

The choice is there, just not in Address Book. Do you see that  
little box to the left of "Account"? It's a popup list that  
includes bcc as well as Reply-to. Or, you can type Command-Option-B  
to toggle the bcc field. Then start typing names and they will be  
completed, or drag to the desired field.


How would you like to see it work?



I don't think this is what is being discussed.

Getting the field to show up is easy as you say.  But filling  
that field from address book as one fills other fields from address  
book does not seem to work.  For the "To" and "CC" field one can  
simply click on a listing in address book.  For "BCC" one must drag  
and drop.  The original poster says this is a recent change.  Seems a  
puzzlement that such a difference would occur.



Peter


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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Bob Alcorn]

Drag and drop your address into the bcc box.

On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Peter Saint James wrote:



On 16 Jul 2005, at 9:47 AM, Dennis Reeder wrote:



If I include a Bcc panel in an email message I am unable to get an 
address into the panel.unless I drag it there.



I just tried it.  It doesn't work for me either.  There is no BCC 
box in the address book window.


 It would be interesting to know what Apple's thinking was on 
this.  Seems that quite a number of opportunities to give users 
choices are missed.



Peter


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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Harry Corsover]

The choice is there, just not in Address Book. Do you see that little  
box to the left of "Account"? It's a popup list that includes bcc as  
well as Reply-to. Or, you can type Command-Option-B to toggle the bcc  
field. Then start typing names and they will be completed, or drag to  
the desired field.


How would you like to see it work?

Regards,

Harry Corsover
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On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:16 AM, Peter Saint James wrote:

I just tried it.  It doesn't work for me either.  There is no  
BCC box in the address book window.


 It would be interesting to know what Apple's thinking was on  
this.  Seems that quite a number of opportunities to give users  
choices are missed.



Peter




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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Peter Saint James]

On 16 Jul 2005, at 9:47 AM, Dennis Reeder wrote:



If I include a Bcc panel in an email message I am unable to get an  
address into the panel.unless I drag it there.



I just tried it.  It doesn't work for me either.  There is no  
BCC box in the address book window.


 It would be interesting to know what Apple's thinking was on  
this.  Seems that quite a number of opportunities to give users  
choices are missed.



Peter


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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 16, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



I don't know, it works as expected for me (just tried it) but I'm  
running 10.4.1 on this box.


I updated yesterday to 10.4.2, and it still works fine for me.

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Re: Bcc quirk?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 16, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Dennis Reeder wrote:


maybe I am doing something wrong but...

I can't seem to get the Bcc window and the address book to cooperate.

They used to play together nicely in Panther but in Tiger (10.4.2)  
they don't seem to want to talk to each other.


If I include a Bcc panel in an email message I am unable to get an  
address into the panel.unless I drag it there.


If I click on the name in my address book then the name/address  
appears in the "To:" panel instead of the "Bcc" panel.


Is this a bug or I am missing something very very simple?



I don't know, it works as expected for me (just tried it) but I'm  
running 10.4.1 on this box.


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Bcc quirk?

[Dennis Reeder]

maybe I am doing something wrong but...

I can't seem to get the Bcc window and the address book to cooperate.

They used to play together nicely in Panther but in Tiger (10.4.2)  
they don't seem to want to talk to each other.


If I include a Bcc panel in an email message I am unable to get an  
address into the panel.unless I drag it there.


If I click on the name in my address book then the name/address  
appears in the "To:" panel instead of the "Bcc" panel.


Is this a bug or I am missing something very very simple?


Denny

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