Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-31 Thread sacear3
Subject: Re: Erasing hard drive

I too, have used Panther on my Pismo since it came out up to 10.3.6 and has 
worked flawlessly. Prior to that I was using Jaguar from its introduction to 
10.2.8 and it also worked flawlessly. So maybe the drive?

Scott


Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:14:34 -0500 
Subject: Re: Erasing hard drive 
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

on 30/01/05 13:39, Amber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 On 1/30/05 10:03 AM, Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Does Panther have a disk corruption issue? 
 I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2 
 weeks 
 then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD 
 and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find 
 an install to repair. 
 So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same 
 thing happens. 
 I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8 
 and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12 
 Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and 
 reformat but install 10.2.8 this time. 
 It's been running without a hitch for 4 months! 
 
 Apple of course will refuse to acknowledge that any of their software might 
 be causing problems but this is all I can link my problems too. Soon after 
 installing the update, things started to grind to a halt.  Before that, I 
 had been running the previous OS and had no problems.  The last OS update 
 has  caused no end of problems.  Even the start up is agonizingly slow !! 
 
 I have spent ages on the phone with AppleCare trying to resolve all the 
 problems I've been having - i.e. Programs not quitting fully or requiring 
 repeated force quits, crashes, endless spinning balls, extensive delays in 
 programs, and then the disk drive not working. 
 
 Anyway, I have no choice but to install Panther after I do my HD erase as it 
 is on the Install/restore disk that came with the PB. 
 
 I am hoping  I can install Jaguar over the top of Panther when the hard 
 drive is sorted out by the erase. 
 

Before I got my 17, I've used my Pismo with 10.3 since it was released and 
never had any problem. I think your drive is faulty... 

-Laurent. 
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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-30 Thread Dean
Does Panther have a disk corruption issue?
I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2 
weeks
then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD
and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find 
an install to repair.
So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same 
thing happens.
I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8 
and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12 
Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and 
reformat but install 10.2.8 this time.
It's been running without a hitch for 4 months!

Amber wrote:
On 1/29/05 9:09 PM, Zoltan Batiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Amber,
Food for thought:  I too was having problems with one of my PB's and
decided to try something: I installed OS X Panther on my external
Firewire drive; the drive that was meant to simply back up all of my
data so I could re-format my main internal drive.  What I found was
quite disturbing. . .the exact same problems occurred running from the
external drive only after about 30 minutes in operation!  While this
may not be true for you, I'm still at a loss as what is causing my
issues, which is odd delays in some of my apps.  Just food for thought.
   

Hi Zoltan,
Although I did not initially realize it,  I am now thinking that there is a
pretty good chance that Panther may be responsible or partly responsible for
the problems I have been having.   I have had incredibly slow start ups,
endless crashes, and significant delays in some of the applications.
Then the disk drive stopped working properly.  I am hoping that the erase
will work and my PB will be back to working like it was before.  If not, I
will know it is a hardware issue.
Amber
 


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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-30 Thread Amber
On 1/30/05 10:03 AM, Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does Panther have a disk corruption issue?
 I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2
 weeks
 then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD
 and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find
 an install to repair.
 So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same
 thing happens.
 I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8
 and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12
 Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and
 reformat but install 10.2.8 this time.
 It's been running without a hitch for 4 months!

Apple of course will refuse to acknowledge that any of their software might
be causing problems but this is all I can link my problems too. Soon after
installing the update, things started to grind to a halt.  Before that, I
had been running the previous OS and had no problems.  The last OS update
has  caused no end of problems.  Even the start up is agonizingly slow !!

I have spent ages on the phone with AppleCare trying to resolve all the
problems I've been having - i.e. Programs not quitting fully or requiring
repeated force quits, crashes, endless spinning balls, extensive delays in
programs, and then the disk drive not working.

Anyway, I have no choice but to install Panther after I do my HD erase as it
is on the Install/restore disk that came with the PB.

I am hoping  I can install Jaguar over the top of Panther when the hard
drive is sorted out by the erase.  


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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 1/30/05 1:03 PM, Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does Panther have a disk corruption issue?
 I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2
 weeks
 then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD
 and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find
 an install to repair.
 So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same
 thing happens.
 I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8
 and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12
 Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and
 reformat but install 10.2.8 this time.
 It's been running without a hitch for 4 months!
 
If there is I haven¹t seen it. I¹ve had Panther installed on 28 machines
since it was released and haven¹t had a problem with any of them. (24 G4
iMacs, 1 2001 QuickSilver, 1 15² alBook, 1 dual USB iBook, 1 tangerine
iBook) I did have to reinstall the OS in my alBook but that was in relation
to a failed update, not everyday usage.

Panther is finicky about RAM. We¹ve seen it fail to install with certain RAM
upgrades. And just to prove how finicky it is, having installed without the
upgrade, it often runs fine when the upgrade is reinstalled. Not that I¹d
trust that RAM upgrade personally.

I¹m thankful for S.M.A.R.T. drives. In the past I¹ve had drives I was
suspicious of but wasn¹t entirely certain about. When you work for a school
district you can¹t just dump a drive you *think* is defective. Today when
S.M.A.R.T. tells me the drive is untrustworthy that¹s enough for my tech
guy.

A simple explanation for your drive being fine in the Lombard is heat - it
is entirely possible that the drive is subject to less heat in the Lombard
than it was in the Pismo. 




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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-30 Thread John
Dean wrote:
Does Panther have a disk corruption issue?
I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2 
weeks
then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD
and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find 
an install to repair.
So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same 
thing happens.
I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8 
and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12 
Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and 
reformat but install 10.2.8 this time.
It's been running without a hitch for 4 months!
Sounds more like a flakey drive to me. It could also be a hardware issue 
in the Pismo. I've been running Panther on my iBook 700, BW 400, and 
Sawtooth 450 for a long time and have had no issues that couldn't be 
corrected by repairing permissions occasionally. Once I get some more 
RAM and a bigger hard drive for my Tangerine iMac (333, currently 
running Jag), I plan to upgrade it too.

JR
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Erasing hard drive with two partitions

2005-01-30 Thread Lowell Neudeck
I have an iBook 800 with OS 10.2 on it. I have an external firewire 
drive which I originally formatted with two partitions. I would like to 
reformat the external drive to one partition only. How do I do that?

TIA
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Re: Erasing hard drive with two partitions

2005-01-30 Thread Jacob
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:12:48 -0700, Lowell Neudeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have an iBook 800 with OS 10.2 on it. I have an external firewire
 drive which I originally formatted with two partitions. I would like to
 reformat the external drive to one partition only. How do I do that?
 
 TIA
 
 Lowell

Use Disk Utility in the applications-utilities folder and click on
the disk you want to repartition. From there you can erase the
partitions and reformat the disk as one volume.

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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-30 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 30/01/05 13:39, Amber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 1/30/05 10:03 AM, Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Does Panther have a disk corruption issue?
 I installed 10.3 and updates (at the time) on a pismo. Worked fine for 2
 weeks
 then one day I got the wonderful question mark. I started up from the CD
 and tried to repair disk permissions, but disk first aid could not find
 an install to repair.
 So I reformat and reinstall. Everything fine for a week and the same
 thing happens.
 I replaced the hard drive thinking it had gone south, and install 10.2.8
 and have had no problems since. Out of curiosity I installed the same 12
 Gig HD from the Pismo (the one I thought was bad) into my Lombard and
 reformat but install 10.2.8 this time.
 It's been running without a hitch for 4 months!
 
 Apple of course will refuse to acknowledge that any of their software might
 be causing problems but this is all I can link my problems too. Soon after
 installing the update, things started to grind to a halt.  Before that, I
 had been running the previous OS and had no problems.  The last OS update
 has  caused no end of problems.  Even the start up is agonizingly slow !!
 
 I have spent ages on the phone with AppleCare trying to resolve all the
 problems I've been having - i.e. Programs not quitting fully or requiring
 repeated force quits, crashes, endless spinning balls, extensive delays in
 programs, and then the disk drive not working.
 
 Anyway, I have no choice but to install Panther after I do my HD erase as it
 is on the Install/restore disk that came with the PB.
 
 I am hoping  I can install Jaguar over the top of Panther when the hard
 drive is sorted out by the erase.
 

Before I got my 17, I've used my Pismo with 10.3 since it was released and
never had any problem. I think your drive is faulty...

-Laurent.
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Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Amber
After a week of finding various firewire drives to back my hard drive up to,
I am finally ready to erase my hard drive and hope that all the problems I
have been having with the PB will disappear.

Just wondering - would you guys suggest that I zero all data and start from
scratch or would a normal erase likely resolve the software problems that
may be responsible for plaguing my PB and causing the superdrive to stop
working properly ?

Thanks,

Amber


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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 29/01/05 23:16, Amber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After a week of finding various firewire drives to back my hard drive up to,
 I am finally ready to erase my hard drive and hope that all the problems I
 have been having with the PB will disappear.
 
 Just wondering - would you guys suggest that I zero all data and start from
 scratch or would a normal erase likely resolve the software problems that
 may be responsible for plaguing my PB and causing the superdrive to stop
 working properly ?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Amber
 

You don't need to do a zero all data. Just a standard erase in Disk
Utility would do fine...

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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Amber
On 1/29/05 8:25 PM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just wondering - would you guys suggest that I zero all data and start from
 scratch or would a normal erase likely resolve the software problems...
 
 
 You don't need to do a zero all data. Just a standard erase in Disk
 Utility would do fine...
 
 -Laurent.

Great - Thanks Laurent !!

Amber


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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Zoltan Batiz
On Jan 29, 2005, at 8:47 PM, Amber wrote:
On 1/29/05 8:25 PM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Just wondering - would you guys suggest that I zero all data and 
start from
scratch or would a normal erase likely resolve the software 
problems...

You don't need to do a zero all data. Just a standard erase in Disk
Utility would do fine...
-Laurent.
Great - Thanks Laurent !!
Amber

The only real need to zero all data is if you fear someone would try 
to recover anything from your drive in the unlikely event someone stole 
your computer AND if you actually had data that would be considered 
necessary to find/recover.  Yes, if you don't zero it out, it is 
possible to recover data from the drive after a re-format.  But, this 
data would not be found by standard software running over it.  In other 
words, Laurent is correct in saying that zero out data is something 
you really don't have to do.  For me, working for the government, it's 
a requirement to use the zero out option for obvious reasons.  Just 
wanted to add my two cents!

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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Zoltan Batiz
On Jan 29, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Amber wrote:
After a week of finding various firewire drives to back my hard drive 
up to,
I am finally ready to erase my hard drive and hope that all the 
problems I
have been having with the PB will disappear.

Just wondering - would you guys suggest that I zero all data and start 
from
scratch or would a normal erase likely resolve the software problems 
that
may be responsible for plaguing my PB and causing the superdrive to 
stop
working properly ?

Thanks,
Amber

Amber,
Food for thought:  I too was having problems with one of my PB's and 
decided to try something: I installed OS X Panther on my external 
Firewire drive; the drive that was meant to simply back up all of my 
data so I could re-format my main internal drive.  What I found was 
quite disturbing. . .the exact same problems occurred running from the 
external drive only after about 30 minutes in operation!  While this 
may not be true for you, I'm still at a loss as what is causing my 
issues, which is odd delays in some of my apps.  Just food for thought. 
. .

Zoltan
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Re: Erasing hard drive

2005-01-29 Thread Amber
On 1/29/05 9:09 PM, Zoltan Batiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Amber,
 
 Food for thought:  I too was having problems with one of my PB's and
 decided to try something: I installed OS X Panther on my external
 Firewire drive; the drive that was meant to simply back up all of my
 data so I could re-format my main internal drive.  What I found was
 quite disturbing. . .the exact same problems occurred running from the
 external drive only after about 30 minutes in operation!  While this
 may not be true for you, I'm still at a loss as what is causing my
 issues, which is odd delays in some of my apps.  Just food for thought.

Hi Zoltan,

Although I did not initially realize it,  I am now thinking that there is a
pretty good chance that Panther may be responsible or partly responsible for
the problems I have been having.   I have had incredibly slow start ups,
endless crashes, and significant delays in some of the applications.

Then the disk drive stopped working properly.  I am hoping that the erase
will work and my PB will be back to working like it was before.  If not, I
will know it is a hardware issue.

Amber


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