Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:37:11AM -0800 or thereabouts, Nils wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:18:15PM -0700 or thereabouts, Nils wrote: Internal temperature can vary quite a bit from computer to computer, even if they are the same model. The amount of RAM, size of the hard drive, PC cards, modem use, what apps are being used, and especially the ambient temperature all effect the temperature of the PB. But, to help you somewhat, my internal fan (WS II) doesn't come on until 172-176 degrees F. I'm still experimenting with this WS trying to get the fan to come on. I'm running OS 9.2.2 and watching the temperature with GaugePRO v1.1. So far, I've had the unit up to 86 degrees celcius, 187 degrees fahrenheit and still the fan is not coming on. I've only one reference point from Bob whos WSII fan came on between 172-176 degrees farenheit. It'd be nice if some other people chimed in reporting the temperature that their fans come on. While running OS 9, I got to play with the Energy Saver features. 'Allow Processor Cycling' is a great feature. But when looking through the options in 10.3.4 I didn't notice anything that looked like 'allow processor cycling'... Doing a little research, I found a good explanation of how processor cycling works.. - All PowerBook models implement a feature called processor cycling - (formerly known as processor rest) intended to save battery life. - This feature activates when the computer detects that the keyboard, - mouse, trackball, or Trackpad has not been used for more then a few - seconds. At this time, the processor speed is reduced to about - 3 MHz and all processing functions become extremely slow. Processor - cycling will not activate while the computer is doing any sort of - data transfer. When I was running 10.3.4 on this machine, it got warm and stayed warm until the machine locked up. That is, even if I wasn't typing, using the track pad, or transferring data to disk, cd or over the network. But, when running OS 9 with processor cycling turned on, the machine would start to cool down, until I started using it again. A good example is right now. I'm typing this email up, and while thinking about what to write, the machine drops a few degrees when I'm not typing.. Then when I start typing again, the cpu goes up a few degrees. Which makes sense if the description of 'processor cycling' above is correct. Does anyone know of the status of 'processor cycling' in OS X? Or have any urls or notes regarding it in the different releases of OS X? (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) Anyways.. Still testing.. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Can someone provide a link to the site where GaugePro can be downloaded? Thanks-Byron On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Nils wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:18:15PM -0700 or thereabouts, Nils wrote: Internal temperature can vary quite a bit from computer to computer, even if they are the same model. The amount of RAM, size of the hard drive, PC cards, modem use, what apps are being used, and especially the ambient temperature all effect the temperature of the PB. But, to help you somewhat, my internal fan (WS II) doesn't come on until 172-176 degrees F. Great point to know regarding when the fan turns on in your system. So, it appears that I should attempt running OS 9 on the system for a while and see what happens with the temperature and fan during use in the same situations as in OS X. If the reason the fan is not coming on because the kernel lacks support for it, then OS 9 should solve the problem. Last night I decided to start running OS 9.1 again on the laptop. After an hour of use, Gauge PRO was reporting 78 Celcius, 172 Farenheit. 172 was the low point where Bob mentioned his fan does come on. I moved the laptop atop a pillow, for it's ability to hold the heat in an attempt to heat the laptop. 2 hours later, and the machine was working properly and still at 78 Celcius. I'm going to try and find some more CPU intensive applications to see if I can get the temperature go up higher. All of this is so I can determine if the fan is actually working as it's supposed to. (not just turning on, as i've proven works in a previous post). -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Nov 1, 2004, at 2:10 PM, B Gardner wrote: Can someone provide a link to the site where GaugePro can be downloaded? Versiontracker page at http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/15583 downloads from http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/FTP/newertech/GaugePRO11.sit (looks like OWC is hosting it now) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
The National Enquirer reports at 1:10 PM -0600 11/1/04, B Gardner wrote: Can someone provide a link to the site where GaugePro can be downloaded? All Newer Tech utilities are now at a new (no pun intended) location: http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/index.cfm?load=newertech.html You'll find Gauge Pro 1.1 under utilities. Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Thanks Anne! On Nov 1, 2004, at 9:22 PM, Anne Judge wrote: On Nov 1, 2004, at 2:10 PM, B Gardner wrote: Can someone provide a link to the site where GaugePro can be downloaded? Versiontracker page at http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/15583 downloads from http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/FTP/newertech/GaugePRO11.sit (looks like OWC is hosting it now) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Nils said: I'm sure you can do something also in your situation for improving heat dissipation. Please note that my fan did run and it didn't help half as good for dissipation than a copper plate and cooling paste. What OS were you running when the fan was coming on? OS X Jaguar. As I remember it the fan did come on under Panther as well. At least I didn't have any heat problems then. Please note that if you make a plate for improvement of dissipation that copper leads heat twice as well as aluminium. Also, such a plate may or may not fit an original CPU. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 03:58:54PM +0100 or thereabouts, Mikael Bystr?m wrote: OS X Jaguar. As I remember it the fan did come on under Panther as well. At least I didn't have any heat problems then. Hmm. I switched over when 10.3.4 was available. I hadn't experimented with 10.2 on this machine. Please note that if you make a plate for improvement of dissipation that copper leads heat twice as well as aluminium. Also, such a plate may or may not fit an original CPU. I'll keep that in mind. Since I'm running an original 250MHz chip, I should be able to measure up the exact size of the current heatsink, and see if there is anywhere it can be beefed up, or expanded to. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:18:15PM -0700 or thereabouts, Nils wrote: Internal temperature can vary quite a bit from computer to computer, even if they are the same model. The amount of RAM, size of the hard drive, PC cards, modem use, what apps are being used, and especially the ambient temperature all effect the temperature of the PB. But, to help you somewhat, my internal fan (WS II) doesn't come on until 172-176 degrees F. Great point to know regarding when the fan turns on in your system. So, it appears that I should attempt running OS 9 on the system for a while and see what happens with the temperature and fan during use in the same situations as in OS X. If the reason the fan is not coming on because the kernel lacks support for it, then OS 9 should solve the problem. Last night I decided to start running OS 9.1 again on the laptop. After an hour of use, Gauge PRO was reporting 78 Celcius, 172 Farenheit. 172 was the low point where Bob mentioned his fan does come on. I moved the laptop atop a pillow, for it's ability to hold the heat in an attempt to heat the laptop. 2 hours later, and the machine was working properly and still at 78 Celcius. I'm going to try and find some more CPU intensive applications to see if I can get the temperature go up higher. All of this is so I can determine if the fan is actually working as it's supposed to. (not just turning on, as i've proven works in a previous post). -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Nils said: Maybe the fan is OS controlled, and OS X lacks the ability to do it. ? Since I got my WS, I've been running OS X. So I'm not sure if the fan does come on when running MacOS 8 or 9. What version of OS X? Under Jaguar at least the fan did come on. I think also with XPF and Panther (which I found to be working better on my WS II/PDQ). Have you tried a total reset with PMU reset, Open Firmware reset and removing backup battery? That solved some really difficult problems I had with my old machine (sold it this summer). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 12:22:51AM +0200 or thereabouts, Mikael Bystr?m wrote: What version of OS X? Under Jaguar at least the fan did come on. I think also with XPF and Panther (which I found to be working better on my WS II/PDQ). Currently running 10.3.4 installed with XPF 3.0a17. Have you tried a total reset with PMU reset, Open Firmware reset and removing backup battery? That solved some really difficult problems I had with my old machine (sold it this summer). Reset the PMU, yes. I haven't attempted to remove the PRAM battery. Looking at the instructions on PBFixit.com, removing the PRAM battery appers to involve alot of work. I may have time to do it in a day or so. I will attempt to reset the OF on the machine shortly. Thanks for the suggestions. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Nils said: Sadly, since there aren't any temperature reporting programs for OS X, Ehum: Temperature Monitor is an application to read out all available temperature sensors in Macintosh computers.. We try to detect all sensors on as many Macintosh computer types as possible. However, a prediction which sensors are available in which models is not possible, because Apple very often releases silent product updates, where the hardware equipments of some models are changed but the names are not (specifications aresubject to change without notice). The particular graphics card and hard disk configuration used is also important because these parts can include independent sensors, too. http://www.bresink.de/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 01:39:01PM +0200 or thereabouts, Mikael Bystr?m wrote: Nils said: Sadly, since there aren't any temperature reporting programs for OS X, Ehum: Temperature Monitor is an application to read out all available temperature sensors in Macintosh computers.. We try to detect all sensors on as many Macintosh computer types as possible. However, a prediction which sensors are available in which models is not possible, because Apple very often releases silent product updates, where the hardware equipments of some models are changed but the names are not (specifications aresubject to change without notice). The particular graphics card and hard disk configuration used is also important because these parts can include independent sensors, too. http://www.bresink.de/osx/TemperatureMonitor.html Maybe I worded that poorly. Even tho in context I believe it was easy to understand what I was saying. I should have made that statement more specific. Maybe it should have said.. Sadly, since there are no temperature reporting programs which support the thermal sensors in the Wallstreet I laptop for OS X... Anne Judge was kind enough to suggest Temperature Monitor, which I tried and found that it does not currently support the sensors built into the Wallstreet I. Or atleast, my version of the WS I. Now, theoretically, one of the developers for Temperature Monitor could figure out how the sensors in the WS I work and equip the application to support reading from them. But at this point, it does not. In reality, I could help move the development along by purchasing a registration key. As it states on their site.. ...the development of Temperature Monitor and Hardware Monitor is very costly because the necessary data has to be determined by reverse engineering and tests run on a variety of computer models. Please support the development of the applications by purchasing a registration key... I wouldn't have a problem doing that, if the product already supported my hardware to some degree and additional development was being persued. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Nils said: I wouldn't have a problem doing that, if the product already supported my hardware to some degree and additional development was being persued. Talk to the developer. I have on going relationships with many. It can be very rewarding. Anyway, Temp readings in the WS are also dependent on the CPU daughter card. So if the CPU supports internal temp reading, then it will be accessible for many apps like TM. For example the BlueChip CPU cards from Powerlogix give believable readings. So what ever the sensors in the original CPU cards of the WS's are, those are different somehow from other cards. maybe someone else can tell what the differences are? Regarding the heat problems, I'm surprised no-one mentioned cooling paste. When I had heat problems with a BlueChip G3 card in the WS II, applying the correct amount of cooling paste and adding a custom made *copper* plate on top of the CPU (I measured the exact thickness) and under the heatsink, decreased the temperature from excessive temps around 90°C to only 59°C. At 93°C somewhere, the machine froze, so it made all the difference. Unfortunately I then also learnt that none of the BlueChip CPUs could be re-flashed for another model of WS (Basically WS vs WS II/PDQ) so graphics was black. I'm sure you can do something also in your situation for improving heat dissipation. Please note that my fan did run and it didn't help half as good for dissipation than a copper plate and cooling paste. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:46:06PM +0200 or thereabouts, Mikael Bystr?m wrote: Talk to the developer. I have on going relationships with many. It can be very rewarding. Great suggestion. I'll be inquiring. Anyway, Temp readings in the WS are also dependent on the CPU daughter card. So if the CPU supports internal temp reading, then it will be accessible for many apps like TM. For example the BlueChip CPU cards from Powerlogix give believable readings. So what ever the sensors in the original CPU cards of the WS's are, those are different somehow from other cards. maybe someone else can tell what the differences are? Great points. Hopefully someone can provide useful information regarding this. I've yet to move forward to get a faster cpu for the WS. Now that the laptop has lots of ram, replacing the 6.4GB with a 40GB drive is the next upgrade. Regarding the heat problems, I'm surprised no-one mentioned cooling paste. When I had heat problems with a BlueChip G3 card in the WS II, applying the correct amount of cooling paste and adding a custom made *copper* plate on top of the CPU (I measured the exact thickness) and under the heatsink, decreased the temperature from excessive temps around 90?C to only 59?C. At 93?C somewhere, the machine froze, so it made all the difference. I had read on some obscure site about a fellow who made a custom aluminum heatsink for his WS. I thought about doing this in mine. That was right when I got the machine and had read about it making lots of heat. But after using it for a while, I found it to be quite acceptable. Before I go that route, I want to know exactly whats up with the fan not coming on. Once I've that figured out, then adding additional cooling can be investigated. I'm sure you can do something also in your situation for improving heat dissipation. Please note that my fan did run and it didn't help half as good for dissipation than a copper plate and cooling paste. What OS were you running when the fan was coming on? Thank you for your helpful comments and suggestions. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Good morning, Does anyone know how to control the fan in the Wallstreet? An application for either OS X or OS 9. And by 'control' I mean a program that can either turn the fan on or off. Or check and change the thermal thresholds where the fan does turn on or off. I believe because the fan is not turning on and circulating cooler air, it is causing the laptop to overheat. I'm getting tired of using the laptop on the couch and having it get really hot and completely freeze. The solution to this has been to disconnect the power, let it cool down for a few minutes, then power it back on. Also, what program can be used to report the CPU temperature? -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
I use Gauge PRO from Newer Tech. on OS 9. My Wallstreet is currently running 131 degrees F. Nils wrote: Good morning, Does anyone know how to control the fan in the Wallstreet? An application for either OS X or OS 9. And by 'control' I mean a program that can either turn the fan on or off. Or check and change the thermal thresholds where the fan does turn on or off. I believe because the fan is not turning on and circulating cooler air, it is causing the laptop to overheat. I'm getting tired of using the laptop on the couch and having it get really hot and completely freeze. The solution to this has been to disconnect the power, let it cool down for a few minutes, then power it back on. Also, what program can be used to report the CPU temperature? -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Oct 29, 2004, at 4:43 AM, Nils wrote: Also, what program can be used to report the CPU temperature? In OS X, I use Temperature Monitor Lite on my PB 17 - don't know if it works on the Wallstreet. (It comes with Temperature Monitor; the lite version puts an indicator in the menu bar, the not-lite version puts it on your screen. http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19994 ) In OS 9 on my Wallstreet I used something which I've forgotten - looking through my archived Wallstreet files here on my G4 (I never throw anything away - virtual or physical - no wonder my house is such a mess) - is it Newer's Gauge Pro? I see the Versiontracker page on it has reference in one of the comments to a CPU temperature. Only works if you're booted in 9, I think. Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
on 29/10/04 04:43, Nils at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good morning, Does anyone know how to control the fan in the Wallstreet? An application for either OS X or OS 9. And by 'control' I mean a program that can either turn the fan on or off. Or check and change the thermal thresholds where the fan does turn on or off. I believe because the fan is not turning on and circulating cooler air, it is causing the laptop to overheat. I'm getting tired of using the laptop on the couch and having it get really hot and completely freeze. The solution to this has been to disconnect the power, let it cool down for a few minutes, then power it back on. Also, what program can be used to report the CPU temperature? -nils I never heard about any program that would let you control the fan in any Macintosh. That's probably part of some private API if such control exists. In any case, if you think the fan doesn't start up when it should, then the problem might be hardware. Getting an application to report on the temperature might report a wrong temperature which could be the reason why the fan doesn't start. Have you ever heard the fan running? I think that when you do a reset of the PMU on a Wallstreet, one way to know that the reset was successful is that the fan is supposed to run for a few seconds after the reset. You said you're using on a couch. Does the Wallstreet has enough space underneath to let the air flows around it? In the user guide that came with my PowerBook 17, Apple recommends always using the laptop on a flat surface to let air circulates around it. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cargo cult programming n.: A style of (incompetent) programming dominated by ritual inclusion of code or program structures that serve no real purpose. A cargo cult programmer will usually explain the extra code as a way of working around some bug encountered in the past, but usually neither the bug nor the reason the code apparently avoided the bug was ever fully understood (compare shotgun debugging, voodoo programming). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. I booted back into 9 and am currently running 143 degrees F. When you're using your laptop, does the fan ever come on? -nils On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 09:58:40AM -0400 or thereabouts, Bill Buckhaults wrote: I use Gauge PRO from Newer Tech. on OS 9. My Wallstreet is currently running 131 degrees F. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 01:09:55PM -0400 or thereabouts, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I never heard about any program that would let you control the fan in any Macintosh. That's probably part of some private API if such control exists. In any case, if you think the fan doesn't start up when it should, then the problem might be hardware. Getting an application to report on the temperature might report a wrong temperature which could be the reason why the fan doesn't start. Have you ever heard the fan running? I think that when you do a reset of the PMU on a Wallstreet, one way to know that the reset was successful is that the fan is supposed to run for a few seconds after the reset. You are probably correct on the API idea. And yes, the fan does spin for a few seconds when resetting the PMU. After checking out Gauge PRO, the processor is running at 143 degrees F. I've read that the WS I (83FSB) Wallstreets run a bit hotter than the WS II (66FSB) units. So 143 degrees doesn't seem out of line. You said you're using on a couch. Does the Wallstreet has enough space underneath to let the air flows around it? In the user guide that came with my PowerBook 17, Apple recommends always using the laptop on a flat surface to let air circulates around it. I believe this may be part of the problem. Yes, the laptop is physically sitting on the couch. I've also had freezing/overheating issues when using the laptop in bed. But I believe if the fan was coming on properly, helpving remove the excess heat away from the heatsink and cpu, the machine would be more stable even if i'm using it on the couch or in bed. Maybe the fan is OS controlled, and OS X lacks the ability to do it. ? Since I got my WS, I've been running OS X. So I'm not sure if the fan does come on when running MacOS 8 or 9. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
Thanks Anne. Yes, I found Temperature Monitor but it does not support the sensors on the WS. And yes, It is Gauge Pro from Newer Tech. It appears to work quite well, but doesn't appear to run in 'classic' from within OS X. -nils On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:25:21AM -0400 or thereabouts, Anne Judge wrote: In OS X, I use Temperature Monitor Lite on my PB 17 - don't know if it works on the Wallstreet. (It comes with Temperature Monitor; the lite version puts an indicator in the menu bar, the not-lite version puts it on your screen. http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19994 ) In OS 9 on my Wallstreet I used something which I've forgotten - looking through my archived Wallstreet files here on my G4 (I never throw anything away - virtual or physical - no wonder my house is such a mess) - is it Newer's Gauge Pro? I see the Versiontracker page on it has reference in one of the comments to a CPU temperature. Only works if you're booted in 9, I think. Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Nils wrote: I believe this may be part of the problem. Yes, the laptop is physically sitting on the couch. I've also had freezing/overheating issues when using the laptop in bed. But I believe if the fan was coming on properly, helping remove the excess heat away from the heatsink and cpu, the machine would be more stable even if i'm using it on the couch or in bed. How about one of those laptop cooler pads? The flat things with a fan or 2 in them that the laptop sits on? I've never tried one, but I have heard that they keep it a couple degrees cooler. Some are USB-powered which may or may not be a problem with a Wallstreet depending on whether you have a card. A Google search turned up these reviews that seem to indicate they work: http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php? directory=titan_laptop_coolerpage=2 http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php? directory=bytecc_aluminum_notebook_coolerpage=2 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
on 29/10/04 14:47, Nils at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 01:09:55PM -0400 or thereabouts, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I never heard about any program that would let you control the fan in any Macintosh. That's probably part of some private API if such control exists. In any case, if you think the fan doesn't start up when it should, then the problem might be hardware. Getting an application to report on the temperature might report a wrong temperature which could be the reason why the fan doesn't start. Have you ever heard the fan running? I think that when you do a reset of the PMU on a Wallstreet, one way to know that the reset was successful is that the fan is supposed to run for a few seconds after the reset. You are probably correct on the API idea. And yes, the fan does spin for a few seconds when resetting the PMU. After checking out Gauge PRO, the processor is running at 143 degrees F. I've read that the WS I (83FSB) Wallstreets run a bit hotter than the WS II (66FSB) units. So 143 degrees doesn't seem out of line. You said you're using on a couch. Does the Wallstreet has enough space underneath to let the air flows around it? In the user guide that came with my PowerBook 17, Apple recommends always using the laptop on a flat surface to let air circulates around it. I believe this may be part of the problem. Yes, the laptop is physically sitting on the couch. I've also had freezing/overheating issues when using the laptop in bed. But I believe if the fan was coming on properly, helpving remove the excess heat away from the heatsink and cpu, the machine would be more stable even if i'm using it on the couch or in bed. Maybe the fan is OS controlled, and OS X lacks the ability to do it. ? Since I got my WS, I've been running OS X. So I'm not sure if the fan does come on when running MacOS 8 or 9. The OS has definitely control over starting the fan or not. After some OS X upgrades, I remember reading comments from Titanium users saying that the fan was starting more often then with the previous version. However, like I said before, if the sensor reporting the temperature is defective, both GaugePro and the OS will display whatever is reported. If the actual temperature is more, then the fan would not start and you would think that the temperature, like you noticed, is not out of line. It's a tough call that only an experienced technician could do... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] flat adj.: 1. [common] Lacking any complex internal structure. That bitty box has only a flat filesystem, not a hierarchical one. The verb form is flatten. 2. Said of a memory architecture (like that of the VAX or 680x0) that is one big linear address space (typically with each possible value of a processor register corresponding to a unique core address), as opposed to a `segmented' architecture (like that of the 80x86) in which addresses are composed from a base-register/offset pair (segmented designs are generally considered cretinous). -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
The National Enquirer reports at 1:43 AM -0700 10/29/04, Nils wrote: Good morning, Does anyone know how to control the fan in the Wallstreet? An application for either OS X or OS 9. And by 'control' I mean a program that can either turn the fan on or off. I agree with Laurent and others that state there is no user-controllable method for turning the fan off or on. It *is* OS controlled. Or check and change the thermal thresholds where the fan does turn on or off. I believe because the fan is not turning on and circulating cooler air, it is causing the laptop to overheat. That's not the problem **if** the temperature in your Wallstreet is only 143 degrees F as you indicate in a later post. That's assuming the temperature is being reported correctly. I'm getting tired of using the laptop on the couch and having it get really hot and completely freeze. The solution to this has been to disconnect the power, let it cool down for a few minutes, then power it back on. You really need to give room for air to circulate around and under the PB. You are asking for major problems if you sit it on something fluffy, or insulating by nature (covers, blankets, pillow etc). The air will not circulate properly under those circumstances and your PB *will* overheat. Also, what program can be used to report the CPU temperature? There are only 2 utilities that I know of that will report the temperature of your Wallstreet in pre-OS X (nothing works in OS X). You already have Newer Gauge Pro. The other option is G3 Strip which only works in OS 8.6 and under. It has a module for your control strip. I currently use both. I think the G3 Strip is more accurate than the Newer utility (and a whole lot smaller). But IIRC the G3 Strip is shareware. I just wish it worked in OS 9.x. Internal temperature can vary quite a bit from computer to computer, even if they are the same model. The amount of RAM, size of the hard drive, PC cards, modem use, what apps are being used, and especially the ambient temperature all effect the temperature of the PB. But, to help you somewhat, my internal fan (WS II) doesn't come on until 172-176 degrees F. I regularly run right at 151 degrees F in OS 9, according to the Newer Gauge Pro, and the internal fan never comes on. Anne's suggestion was the best one you'll probably get. Some sort of external fan will help you immensely. I have been thinking about getting a USB cooling device, like the iBreeze http://www.macmice.com/ibreeze.html. The other option is something as simple as a floor fan pointed at the PB. I have used a small 6 desk fan when I'm upstairs on the couch, clamped to a lap desk that I use. That works great. When I'm downstairs in an easy chair, I run the PB on a tray sitting on my lap and use a floor fan. It makes a difference of about 15 degrees (cooler) for my Wallstreet. HTH, Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 07:03:28PM -0400 or thereabouts, Anne Judge wrote: How about one of those laptop cooler pads? The flat things with a fan or 2 in them that the laptop sits on? I've never tried one, but I have heard that they keep it a couple degrees cooler. Some are USB-powered which may or may not be a problem with a Wallstreet depending on whether you have a card. A Google search turned up these reviews that seem to indicate they work: http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php? directory=titan_laptop_coolerpage=2 http://www.thetechlounge.com/review.php? directory=bytecc_aluminum_notebook_coolerpage=2 Those are great ideas. If things dont pan out, I will have to investigate this cooling method further. But hopefully someone can shed some light on why the fan isn't coming on in the first plae. Thanks for the suggestion :) -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:18:36PM -0400 or thereabouts, Laurent Daudelin wrote: The OS has definitely control over starting the fan or not. After some OS X upgrades, I remember reading comments from Titanium users saying that the fan was starting more often then with the previous version. Great point. You'd wonder if the heat threshold was lowered, or if the cpu is performing more instructions generating more heat. However, like I said before, if the sensor reporting the temperature is defective, both GaugePro and the OS will display whatever is reported. If the actual temperature is more, then the fan would not start and you would think that the temperature, like you noticed, is not out of line. It's a tough call that only an experienced technician could do... Correct. But in the case of thermistors, they are designed to be run within a temperature range. Their accuracy isn't likely to drift with use. If it were to provide false readings, it would most likely be caused by the thermistor failing closed or open. I don't believe the thermistor has failed because it does successfully provide readings when using Gauge Pro in OS 9. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How to control fan on Wallstreet in OS X ?
That's not the problem **if** the temperature in your Wallstreet is only 143 degrees F as you indicate in a later post. That's assuming the temperature is being reported correctly. See reply to Laurent regarding thermistors. And yes, I did report the running temperature as 143 degrees F. I should have specified that the reported temperature was read when the laptop was sitting on a coffee table working correctly. What I need is some temperature readings at the point where the system stops functioning. You really need to give room for air to circulate around and under the PB. You are asking for major problems if you sit it on something fluffy, or insulating by nature (covers, blankets, pillow etc). The air will not circulate properly under those circumstances and your PB *will* overheat. That is great advice. The problem here is that the fan is not coming on and performing its function. That function being, to move air through the machine and cooling the system down. I wouldn't have bothered posting anything if the fan was coming on, and blowing hot air out the side of the laptop. If the machine locked up, fan running and everything hot as hell, I would have concluded that it was overheating. But in this case, the fan is not coming on. Since it's supposed to, I've decided to ask questions. There are only 2 utilities that I know of that will report the temperature of your Wallstreet in pre-OS X (nothing works in OS X). You already have Newer Gauge Pro. The other option is G3 Strip which only works in OS 8.6 and under. It has a module for your control strip. I currently use both. I think the G3 Strip is more accurate than the Newer utility (and a whole lot smaller). But IIRC the G3 Strip is shareware. I just wish it worked in OS 9.x. Sadly, since there aren't any temperature reporting programs for OS X, I doubt the kernel has support for telling the cooling fan to come on either. Since the machine is so old, I doubt support for the fan controller will be built into any future releases/updates. Internal temperature can vary quite a bit from computer to computer, even if they are the same model. The amount of RAM, size of the hard drive, PC cards, modem use, what apps are being used, and especially the ambient temperature all effect the temperature of the PB. But, to help you somewhat, my internal fan (WS II) doesn't come on until 172-176 degrees F. Great point to know regarding when the fan turns on in your system. So, it appears that I should attempt running OS 9 on the system for a while and see what happens with the temperature and fan during use in the same situations as in OS X. If the reason the fan is not coming on because the kernel lacks support for it, then OS 9 should solve the problem. I first have to decide if this is the route I want to go. I'm quite enjoying my OS X experience and much prefer a ssh(1) over MacSSH. -nils -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
