Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Jon Glass]

on 7/16/02 7:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The majority of the dead drives are the LG (DRN8080B), which are pretty
> worthless units, in general..

What's the number for the Matsushita drive?
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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Jon Glass]

on 7/16/02 6:19 PM, Michael Bryan Bell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Unfortunately Jon you're kind of screwed- DVD's in OSX are a dream, but in
> OS9 they leave a lot to be desired. I honestly (and I tried, believe me)
> could never really get it to work using 9.0 and below (gave up and used my
> PC). It showed all the symptoms you're describing- I'd have to reboot the
> computer 4-6 times to get through a movie due to a hard lockup. It may be
> hardware related, the pismo's have more issues than I can keep track of, but
> it could just be the crappy OS9 DVD player.

Actually, in my experimentation, I haven't had any problems with DVDs, only
CDs. DVDs read fine, but I can't get a single CD to mount anymore. It
stopped in one day, in the middle of swapping disks, in fact. The last one
to read required that I press in on the door the whole time. If I released
pressure, the CD would stop reading, and the system would pause until I
pressed in on the door again. We enjoy watching the few DVDs we have on
9.2.2, and have had only intermittent problems. I have learned, however, to
always reboot the comuter before watching, and to make sure that the player
is the only thing open. That said, I forgot on Saturday, and let the kids
watch an hour of Reksio cartoons, with about a half a dozen apps open in the
background. :-)

I had hoped that Apple would fix the drive without complaints, but I begin
to doubt that. I will try calling them today, however, and see what
happens...
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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[James Rohde]

On 7/16/02 12:39 PM Frank Cornew edified us all by writing:

>Given that a few different drive mechanisms were available in these 
>modules, do you know if the several dozen dead drives (sddd) are of 
>the same model? Apple system profiler should cough up the pertinent 
>info under the devices and volumes tab. (guessing, my drive is at 
>home)
>From what I recall of the earlier posts, almost all the problem drives 
were the LG model (DRN8080B). Plus, there is a discussion area on Apple's 
site where there are lots of posts about this problem with the CD/DVD 
drive.

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[James Rohde]

On 7/16/02 12:39 PM Frank Cornew edified us all by writing:

>Given that a few different drive mechanisms were available in these 
>modules, do you know if the several dozen dead drives (sddd) are of 
>the same model? Apple system profiler should cough up the pertinent 
>info under the devices and volumes tab. (guessing, my drive is at 
>home)
>From what I recall of the earlier posts, almost all the problem drives 
were the LG model (DRN8080B). Plus, there is a discussion area on Apple's 
site where there are lots of posts about this problem with the CD/DVD 
drive.

Jim Rohde


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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[James Rohde]

On 7/16/02 9:40 AM David Wedge edified us all by writing:

>Having accumulated several dozen of these dead drives, I can vouch that it 
>is NEITHER a connector problem nor a motherboard, software, or PRAM problem. 
>The drive is the problem--they die, and they die regularly.

While I agree that the drive is not reliable (have already had mine 
replaced (alas, Apple gave me another LG model), that doesn't 
automatically rule out other problems *also* being present as well.

Almost enough to get me to spring for a third-party CD/DVD or else a 
CD/CD-RW drive (recommendations?) in about a year when I expect this 
replacement drive will fail me...

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[DavidWedge]

The majority of the dead drives are the LG (DRN8080B), which are pretty 
worthless units, in general..

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In a message dated 7/16/02 11:58:53 AM, you wrote:

>Given that a few different drive mechanisms were available in these 
>modules, do you know if the several dozen dead drives (sddd) are of 
>the same model? Apple system profiler should cough up the pertinent 
>info under the devices and volumes tab. (guessing, my drive is at 
>home)
>Furthermore, could it be that the corpses are the result of attempts 
>to defeat the DVD region system? Several hacks are out there
>
>F.
>
>
>>--
>>
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:19:15 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Pismo DVD drive problem
>>
>>Having accumulated several dozen of these dead drives, I can vouch that it 
is
>>NEITHER a connector problem nor a motherboard, software, or PRAM problem. 
The
>>drive is the problem--they die, and they die regularly.
>>
>>We've begun replacing these for the unlucky who are no longer covered by
>>Apple, and in every instance I've tested the drive, and found them to be 
bad.
>>They may read CD but they won't read DVD. IT happens over & over..
>>
>>Thanks,
>>David
>>
>>  www.ibookparts.com
>>   www.wegenermedia.com
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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> Furthermore, could it be that the corpses are the result of attempts
> to defeat the DVD region system? Several hacks are out there

Doubtful- I've cracked just about every drive I've owned due to my gf being
from australia.

It's really pretty harmless if you get your update from a reliable source-
essentially just changing a small setting that keeps it from only allowing
one region. I've never noticed any differences in functionality beyond it
being region free.


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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Frank Cornew]

Given that a few different drive mechanisms were available in these 
modules, do you know if the several dozen dead drives (sddd) are of 
the same model? Apple system profiler should cough up the pertinent 
info under the devices and volumes tab. (guessing, my drive is at 
home)
Furthermore, could it be that the corpses are the result of attempts 
to defeat the DVD region system? Several hacks are out there

F.


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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:19:15 EDT
>Subject: Re: Pismo DVD drive problem
>
>Having accumulated several dozen of these dead drives, I can vouch that it is
>NEITHER a connector problem nor a motherboard, software, or PRAM problem. The
>drive is the problem--they die, and they die regularly.
>
>We've begun replacing these for the unlucky who are no longer covered by
>Apple, and in every instance I've tested the drive, and found them to be bad.
>They may read CD but they won't read DVD. IT happens over & over..
>
>Thanks,
>David
>
>  www.ibookparts.com
>   www.wegenermedia.com

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> What you are describing, has been explained to me as a natural process of
> DVDs. It was explained to me like this. DVDs can have multiple layers. At
> some point, the laser has to switch layers. It is at this point that the
> pause occurs. The fact that it's at the same place every time suggests this
> to me. So, has the advice I've been given correct, or am I misleading
> another unlucky soul as I have been mislead? :-)

In the old days you had double-sided DVD's (written data on each side) which
did require the lasers to switch... Now though almost all DVD's (besides
something like an superdrive made DVD) are made as dual-layered DVD's: if I
remember correctly the laser focuses itself just a little differently to be
able to read the layer it wants.

If you're using a double sided DVD, it shouldn't hang but rather spit it out
with a message asking you to flip it over and reinsert it (I have an old
stargate one that does this). The laser refocusing in newer ones shouldn't
even be noticeable at all.

Unfortunately Jon you're kind of screwed- DVD's in OSX are a dream, but in
OS9 they leave a lot to be desired. I honestly (and I tried, believe me)
could never really get it to work using 9.0 and below (gave up and used my
PC). It showed all the symptoms you're describing- I'd have to reboot the
computer 4-6 times to get through a movie due to a hard lockup. It may be
hardware related, the pismo's have more issues than I can keep track of, but
it could just be the crappy OS9 DVD player.

Heh, surprised apple never got sued about it, I know I wasn't the only one
who could never get it to work.


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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Jon Glass]

on 7/15/02 5:04 PM, Guy Masson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The movie freezes at one
> point, the same point every time. Yet the movie runs correctly in a standard
> DVD player( read home top of the TV unit.)

What you are describing, has been explained to me as a natural process of
DVDs. It was explained to me like this. DVDs can have multiple layers. At
some point, the laser has to switch layers. It is at this point that the
pause occurs. The fact that it's at the same place every time suggests this
to me. So, has the advice I've been given correct, or am I misleading
another unlucky soul as I have been mislead? :-)
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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[DavidWedge]

Having accumulated several dozen of these dead drives, I can vouch that it is 
NEITHER a connector problem nor a motherboard, software, or PRAM problem. The 
drive is the problem--they die, and they die regularly.

We've begun replacing these for the unlucky who are no longer covered by 
Apple, and in every instance I've tested the drive, and found them to be bad. 
They may read CD but they won't read DVD. IT happens over & over..

Thanks,
David

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  www.wegenermedia.com


In a message dated 7/14/02 5:01:51 PM, you wrote:

>
>>
>> some found that swapping two non-working drives worked again if
>> swapped between machines, etc.
>
>That's a connector problem, pure and simple. Grunge and corrosion in the 
>connectors will cause problems like that...putting them in different 
>machines means the connectors take slightly different paths in mating, 
>which scrapes a bit off, making connections again.
>
>Try cleaning the connectors with contact cleaner. Most contact cleaners 
>are ok for plastics, but test it on an inconspicuous part of your pismo 
>case before spraying stuff around.
>
>> --
>Bruce Johnson

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Guy Masson]

No answer here. Just more fuel for the fire.

Except it does not happen with all disks, For example, with mine it seems
that only one movie - so far - gives me issues. The movie freezes at one
point, the same point every time. Yet the movie runs correctly in a standard
DVD player( read home top of the TV unit.) 

All other movies work properly. To this point. As do audio CD's 

This happens in both OS 9.2.2 and OSX. ( 40 Gbyte HDD, 1 Gbyte RAM, 500 mhz
processor.) 
(And yes I run it on the wall wart when playing the movies)

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> Subject:      Pismo DVD drive problem
> 
> Hi-
> 
> I'm new to the list. I discovered it while online, looking for info
> regarding my newly-dead DVD drive. I hope I'm not asking a FAQ, but I
> couldn't find one that would answer this sort of question.
> 
> My DVD drive started giving me problems back in January (about two weeks
> after the warranty ran out). It would give me problems reading disks,
> usually either freezing the computer or simply not mounting it. It seemed
> to
> be fixed by changing back to 9.1 for a while, but still reared its ugly
> head
> on occasion. When 9.2.2 came out, I upgraded without much problem, but the
> problem still showed up on occasion. In the past two weeks, it got worse,
> but this weekend, it went wild, in in the process of swapping CDs, it
> stopped entirely, and hasn't read a CD since Friday. It seems to read DVDs
> fine, but not CDs. From my explorations on the web, this is a common
> problem. My question is this. What is the likelyhood of Apple fixing this
> for me, or for my having to pay for this. It sure seems to me that it is a
> manufacturer's defect. Am I correct? What should I do? TIA.
> -- 
> Jon Glass
> Krakow, Poland
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
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> overthrow
> the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While
> the
> people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their
> virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first
> external
> or internal invader." -- Samuel Adams
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sunday, July 14, 2002, at 12:20 PM, Ronald Romine wrote:
>
> some found that swapping two non-working drives worked again if
> swapped between machines, etc.

That's a connector problem, pure and simple. Grunge and corrosion in the 
connectors will cause problems like that...putting them in different 
machines means the connectors take slightly different paths in mating, 
which scrapes a bit off, making connections again.

Try cleaning the connectors with contact cleaner. Most contact cleaners 
are ok for plastics, but test it on an inconspicuous part of your pismo 
case before spraying stuff around.

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Re: Pismo DVD drive problem

[Ronald Romine]

>My DVD drive started giving me problems back in January (about two weeks
>after the warranty ran out). It would give me problems reading disks,
>usually either freezing the computer or simply not mounting it. It seemed to
>be fixed by changing back to 9.1 for a while, but still reared its ugly head
>on occasion. When 9.2.2 came out, I upgraded without much problem, but the
>problem still showed up on occasion. In the past two weeks, it got worse,
>but this weekend, it went wild, in in the process of swapping CDs, it
>stopped entirely, and hasn't read a CD since Friday. It seems to read DVDs
>fine, but not CDs. From my explorations on the web, this is a common
>problem. My question is this. What is the likelyhood of Apple fixing this
>for me, or for my having to pay for this. It sure seems to me that it is a
>manufacturer's defect. Am I correct? What should I do? TIA.


I've been reading the Discussions boards at Apple' site.

This DVD problems appear to becoming more common, and the actually 
source of the problem is unknown. Some Pismo uses solved the problem 
with a CD/DVD drive replacement, others replaced the motherboard, 
some found that swapping two non-working drives worked again if 
swapped between machines, etc.


However, there may be nothing wrong with your DVD, it may be the 
Prefs. The DVD preferences can become corrupted, allowing DVD's to 
still work, but crashing when CD's are inserted. Try deleting ALL the 
Preferences dealing with the DVD or CD Drive.

- Ron.

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Pismo DVD drive problem

[Jon Glass]

Hi-

I'm new to the list. I discovered it while online, looking for info
regarding my newly-dead DVD drive. I hope I'm not asking a FAQ, but I
couldn't find one that would answer this sort of question.

My DVD drive started giving me problems back in January (about two weeks
after the warranty ran out). It would give me problems reading disks,
usually either freezing the computer or simply not mounting it. It seemed to
be fixed by changing back to 9.1 for a while, but still reared its ugly head
on occasion. When 9.2.2 came out, I upgraded without much problem, but the
problem still showed up on occasion. In the past two weeks, it got worse,
but this weekend, it went wild, in in the process of swapping CDs, it
stopped entirely, and hasn't read a CD since Friday. It seems to read DVDs
fine, but not CDs. From my explorations on the web, this is a common
problem. My question is this. What is the likelyhood of Apple fixing this
for me, or for my having to pay for this. It sure seems to me that it is a
manufacturer's defect. Am I correct? What should I do? TIA.
-- 
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