Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[wappling]

Re;Im only on my second week getting the hang of OSX,You may wish to
consider upgradeing soon, so as to be familiar with OSX when the programs
you want become available in X,besides,you may be able to use your presant
version for awhile,in other words for me there is a learning curve to
this,it may help not to have to learn too much at once, just my opinion


>> Nisus is coming out with an OSX upgrade:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> The operative question being "when?" :-) I will confess that one reason I'm
>> waiting on X is for Nisus to be available. It will be my WP when I upgrade,
>> and until then, I don't have a WP for working under X. Using Word or Claris
>> Works in Classic under X doesn't appeal to me. :-) So, Hurry up Nisus!!! :-)
> 
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Jon Glass]

on 2/2/03 6:23 PM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It
> won't replace Word, and I'm sure that a lot of the Nisus followers will
> protest that it won't replace Nisus either, but try to give it a try without
> any bias

Nice app! Unfortunately, the reasons I use Nisus are such that only Nisus
will fit the bill. I am a bit eclectic in my use of word processors. I use
several, because, for me, there is no one that does it. I even still use WAV
on occasion, because it has a couple of features that no other app
duplicates as simply (lines, for instance), but regularly, I use Word 2001,
Nisus, Claris Works and even Word 5, BBEdit and WriteNow on occasion. :-)

> ... I'm saying this because, over the years, first as an Apple
> technical support guy, later as a programmer, I don't think there is any
> other type of application that seems to be so personal than a word
> processor.

Email programs??? :-) (Cyberdog forever!)
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 02/02/03 10:37, Jeff Abbott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 2:00 PM +0100 2/2/03, Jon Glass wrote:
>>> Nisus is coming out with an OSX upgrade:
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>> The operative question being "when?" :-) I will confess that one reason I'm
>> waiting on X is for Nisus to be available. It will be my WP when I upgrade,
>> and until then, I don't have a WP for working under X. Using Word or Claris
>> Works in Classic under X doesn't appeal to me. :-) So, Hurry up Nisus!!! :-)
> 
> Nisus X is also my reason to upgrade. I haven't done much enhancing
> to my Pismo 400 since buying it right when they were discontinued,
> but now I have a serious reason to upgrade, which is why I just
> joined this list. I really enjoy using my Pismo and would rather
> upgrade the memory/hardware/processor, etc., than buy a new machine
> purely for X. . .
> 
> And please, yes, hurry up Nisus, but not till I'm upgraded. :-)
> 
> Jeff

Did anybody look at Mellel? That seems like a pretty good, basic, word
processor.



Not affiliated in any way with it. Just saw it, downloaded it and gave it a
try. I would think that, for most users, that would just do the trick. It
won't replace Word, and I'm sure that a lot of the Nisus followers will
protest that it won't replace Nisus either, but try to give it a try without
any bias... I'm saying this because, over the years, first as an Apple
technical support guy, later as a programmer, I don't think there is any
other type of application that seems to be so personal than a word
processor. People would die for their word processor. Don't know why,
though...

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Jeff Abbott]

At 2:00 PM +0100 2/2/03, Jon Glass wrote:
>  > Nisus is coming out with an OSX upgrade:
>>
>>  
>
>The operative question being "when?" :-) I will confess that one reason I'm
>waiting on X is for Nisus to be available. It will be my WP when I upgrade,
>and until then, I don't have a WP for working under X. Using Word or Claris
>Works in Classic under X doesn't appeal to me. :-) So, Hurry up Nisus!!! :-)

Nisus X is also my reason to upgrade. I haven't done much enhancing 
to my Pismo 400 since buying it right when they were discontinued, 
but now I have a serious reason to upgrade, which is why I just 
joined this list. I really enjoy using my Pismo and would rather 
upgrade the memory/hardware/processor, etc., than buy a new machine 
purely for X. . .

And please, yes, hurry up Nisus, but not till I'm upgraded. :-)

Jeff

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Jon Glass]

on 1/31/03 8:02 PM, Bruce Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Nisus is coming out with an OSX upgrade:
> 
> 

The operative question being "when?" :-) I will confess that one reason I'm
waiting on X is for Nisus to be available. It will be my WP when I upgrade,
and until then, I don't have a WP for working under X. Using Word or Claris
Works in Classic under X doesn't appeal to me. :-) So, Hurry up Nisus!!! :-)
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Javier Miranda]

My Pismo 500, runs fine under OSX, I have not installed OS 9 to save disk 
space.
The performance and response is so good that I don't see any reason not to 
use Sys X, even with my poor memory config (only 160MB).
Now, with the advise of you guys, I have decided not to buy extra 256MB RAM 
but 512!!!.
Saludos,

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[David Pekarsky]

Running X.2.3 on a PDQ (commonly referred to as wallstreet) which is 
the 300mhz version.  Mine has 384mb or ram and runs quite decently.  It 
is definatley less snappy than 9.1 which I have on the machines as 
opposed to a newer version of OS 9 which are plagued by sleep of death 
problems.  See Charles W. Moore's articles for more information on the 
matter.  I don't use OS 9 that much anymore save for the occasion time 
when I need to use an expansion bay floppy drive which only works in 9. 
  Overall I would recommend X especially on a pismo even without all the 
popular upgrades that seem to be turning it into a cult machine like 
the PB 2400 or color classic.
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Bruce Johnson]

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> For instance, I use Nisus Writer a lot (9 or classic only), so I find
> myself using OS9 a lot more than X. Other than Omnigraffle, I don't have an
> intense need to use OS X. But superior memory management and UNIX stability
> is very enticing indeed. I will shift over when I get a memory upgrade to
> 1GIG.

Nisus is coming out with an OSX upgrade:




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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 31/01/03 03:22, Jon Glass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> on 1/31/03 5:02 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> I got OS X on my Pismo since 10.1, I think, and, even if I was almost always
>> booted in OS X, when I got 10.2, I've never looked back. Sure, there are a
>> few things that are not as snappy than in 9, but after a little while, you
>> discover what multitasking and protected memory really mean!
> 
> Laurent-
> 
> I know you've been running X for a while, but I haven't noticed if you've
> dumped Classic yet. Do you still need Classic for your Newton? When I switch
> to X, I would like to leave Classic behind, but I fear the Newton will be a
> big drag on that--and for those who would suggest it, no, I won't give up my
> Newton until something else is available that can _seriously_ replace it.
> :-) (And I know Laurent would not recommend dumping my Newton) :-)

Never dump your Newton, Jon! ;-)

Yes, I still have Classic around for NCU, among others. Until NewtSync is a
clear replacement, I will still continue to use NCU. The other problem I
have with NewtSync is that it requires a specific connection app on the
Newton, which may or maybe not easy to install if you happen to have to wipe
your internal memory. Just my thoughts...

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Jon Glass]

on 1/31/03 5:02 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I got OS X on my Pismo since 10.1, I think, and, even if I was almost always
> booted in OS X, when I got 10.2, I've never looked back. Sure, there are a
> few things that are not as snappy than in 9, but after a little while, you
> discover what multitasking and protected memory really mean!

Laurent-

I know you've been running X for a while, but I haven't noticed if you've
dumped Classic yet. Do you still need Classic for your Newton? When I switch
to X, I would like to leave Classic behind, but I fear the Newton will be a
big drag on that--and for those who would suggest it, no, I won't give up my
Newton until something else is available that can _seriously_ replace it.
:-) (And I know Laurent would not recommend dumping my Newton) :-)
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[RogueWriter]

I've had X on my Pismo 400 since 10.1 came out.  I've never regretted 
it.  I never boot into 9 anymore.

Erick

On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 22:51 America/Indianapolis, Kathryn Odell 
wrote:
> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os 
> x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made 
> the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
> Thanks, Kate


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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[P. Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On 1/30/2003 8:51 PM Kathryn Odell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
>satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
>applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
>switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
>
>I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
>advice.
>
>Thanks, Kate


I've been running OSX on my Pismo 400 since the beta. Runs wonderfully. I 
use Classic on occasion, though more often when I am traveling because I 
haven't quite migrated from Claris Emailer (which runs great in Jaguar's 
Classic BTW).
I just upgraded the RAM to 768MB and have a 30GB in 2 partitions: 6BG for 
OS 9.2 and OS 9 apps, and the rest for OSX, its apps and all all my 
personal docs.

OSX is great Jaguar is heads and shoulders above 10.1.

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Mark_PHILIP]

Hi Kate.
I'm using a Pismo 400 with 192MB RAM & OSX runs well on it.
It's not as snappy as in 9, but it's acceptable for a system wiht 192MB.
I prefer the snappiness of OS9, but there are some good apps in X as well.
It really depends on what apps you use.
I find myself shuttling between 9 and X, but 320MB of RAM should suffice
for speedy performance in 10.2.

For instance, I use Nisus Writer a lot (9 or classic only), so I find
myself using OS9 a lot more than X. Other than Omnigraffle, I don't have an
intense need to use OS X. But superior memory management and UNIX stability
is very enticing indeed. I will shift over when I get a memory upgrade to
1GIG.

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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

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on 30/01/03 22:51, Kathryn Odell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
> 
> I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
> advice.

I got OS X on my Pismo since 10.1, I think, and, even if I was almost always
booted in OS X, when I got 10.2, I've never looked back. Sure, there are a
few things that are not as snappy than in 9, but after a little while, you
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[Gary E Davis]

Hi

I can't speak for the Pismo but I'm running OSX Jaguar on a 266Mhz
wallstreet with 320meg ram and Its running fine with no real obvious
slowdown I can see from 9.2.2 on the same machine. I would think with the
faster CPU and the faster Bus OSX sould run great on a Pismo

Gary


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I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?

I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
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Re: Pismo to X, or not?

[David M. Ensteness]

All I have on my Pismo is OS X v.10.2.3, no OS 9 at all. I just 
upgraded the RAM and hard drive to 768MB/40GB 5400rpm but I had been 
running a 400MHz/320MB/10GB for about a year and it has been very well, 
I can't stand to work in 9 on it so I just took it off. 10.2 is very 
snappy for me.

David

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:51  PM, Kathryn Odell wrote:

> I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
> satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os 
> x
> applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made 
> the
> switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?
>
> I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) 
> awaiting
> advice.
>
> Thanks, Kate

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Pismo to X, or not?

[Kathryn Odell]

I've got a pismo 400 with 320 mb of ram. I'm running ox 9.2, and am
satisfied with its performance. However, I'm tempted by some of the os x
applications. I'd like to hear from any Pismo 400 users who have made the
switch. How much does everything slow down? Do you regret moving up?

I've got my free copy of osX here (got the free educator's version) awaiting
advice.

Thanks, Kate


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