Re: Dead Wallstreet
On May 26, 2005, at 9:20 AM, David Lesher wrote: Sigh; the wallstreet I use around the office has died. It was plugged in and the next day, the battery was dead and it won't charge or start. It's not the power adapter; I tested it and tried another... What's the possible causes --- the power regulator board? Possible, have you tried resetting the power manager? It could also be a dead PRAM battery. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
Sigh; the wallstreet I use around the office has died. It was plugged in and the next day, the battery was dead and it won't charge or start. It's not the power adapter; I tested it and tried another... What's the possible causes --- the power regulator board? First thing to try is PMU reset. Hold down fn+control+shift+power keys - should get some response/flash from green sleep light. Release the keys, wait 5 seconds then press power key. Fixes a lot of mysterious problems. Gene, a.k.a. G-Man Friends don't let friends do Windows -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
Sigh; the wallstreet I use around the office has died. It was plugged in and the next day, the battery was dead and it won't charge or start. It's not the power adapter; I tested it and tried another... What's the possible causes --- the power regulator board? Does the AC jack wobble a bit, indicating a loose solder joint ? Have you tried reseating the CPU ? Mad Dog -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
What's the possible causes --- the power regulator board? Possible, have you tried resetting the power manager? Good call... I'd tried this once to no avail but the 2nd shot was a winner I'm not dead yetI'm feeling much better -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
The National Enquirer reports at 5:28 PM -0800 11/24/04, Clark Martin wrote: At 4:18 PM -0700 11/24/04, Bob wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 4:30 PM -0800 11/23/04, Tom Peterson wrote: With all due sympathy, My wallstreet does not like to wake from sleep. It does however reboot to OS9 when this happens. I have replaced the hard drive on my poor beast and that has caused me to recommend the following voodoo trick. Take a metal object ( I have used pocket knives, watches, tiny magnets be verwwy cawwfull here and pass it along the right hand side of the wallstreet while holding down the power on/off button. The portion of the side adjacent to the keyboard seems to be more significant than the portion of the right side of the palm rest, mouse pad. Repeat a couple of times before abandoning. Good luck. Tom, I think I can at least help you solve your problem. I'm willing to bet that you replaced your H.D. with a IBM/Hitachi drive. That's not the only brand that has caused sleep problems in the Wallstreet, but it's one of the most infamous. The problem is a magnet within the drive that lines up with and confuses the magnetic sleep sensor located on the Wallstreet in the area between the Delete and Return keys. Thus the wakeup problems with the PB. Once you understand the problem, the solution is fairly simple. In fact, there are 2 or 3 solutions. You have discovered one of them -- the kitchen magnet swipe. But that's a pain the butt IMPO. I prefer a more permanent solution. I have a Wallstreet with a 40Gb IBM/Hitachi drive installed and it has the won't wake from sleep problem. I use a simple fix. I open the lid and rotate the laptop about it's vertical axis while tapping the shift key. Would that be clock-wise or counter clock-wise? The magnet is just barely holding the lid sensor in the closed state, changing the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field is enough to clear the sensor. When do you sacrifice the live chicken? bg I guess I'm out of touch. After the one-time tape solution, I just press the shift key and it wakes right up. At least the OP has a number of options from which to choose. Oh BTW do you need to sacrifice a particular kind of chicken? :-) Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
I have tried this. In Seattle the flux lines appear to be insufficiently present to accomplish this chicken saving maneuver. It does not work on my wallstreet. Not that I am not happy for you. Happy Thanksgiving, Y'all. -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark Martin Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:28 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Dead Wallstreet At 4:18 PM -0700 11/24/04, Bob wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 4:30 PM -0800 11/23/04, Tom Peterson wrote: SNIP I have a Wallstreet with a 40Gb IBM/Hitachi drive installed and it has the won't wake from sleep problem. I use a simple fix. I open the lid and rotate the laptop about it's vertical axis while tapping the shift key. The magnet is just barely holding the lid sensor in the closed state, changing the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field is enough to clear the sensor. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
Pat Heidingsfelder said: So I figured I would break it open and unplug the pram battery. Please don't use such strong words as break around here. It's scary. Did you ground yourself when you took it apart? Tried it out, same thing. I am just going to have to unplug the pram, or could it be something else? Any tips to getting to the pram plug? I don't think that will help. As your fan spins you do have power. Also, you don't say if the HD spins up or not. Also, if you get more life into it but you still can't boot, you can try and boot into Open Firmware by holding Cmd-Opt-O-F and typing set-defaults + return + reset-all + return. Then try and boot from CD by holding down key c My best advice, leave it plugged in for a couple of days. That have helped many seemingly dead machines. After that, remove one RAM chip at a time, replace with known good. As for getting to the PRAM backup battery you need to (after you have grounded yourself) remove the: · AC adapter · Expansion bay modules · Keyboard · Heat sink (after this you can touch the cage as an alternative way to grounding, but this means you should actually leave the power supply in and be connected to a grounded outlet via power supply with a ground cable. Better to just get a grounding wriststrap.) · Clutch cover (careful as not break the plastics) · Display (be very careful with the cables) · Hard drive · Modem or modem plug · Microprocessor board top case · Top Case on the underside you'll find the PRAM backup battery connected to the PMU board. I do wonder if unplugging the PMU card could potentially have the same effect as unplugging the PRAM battery. I'm not sure. Anyone else have an idea? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
The National Enquirer reports at 4:30 PM -0800 11/23/04, Tom Peterson wrote: With all due sympathy, My wallstreet does not like to wake from sleep. It does however reboot to OS9 when this happens. I have replaced the hard drive on my poor beast and that has caused me to recommend the following voodoo trick. Take a metal object ( I have used pocket knives, watches, tiny magnets be verwwy cawwfull here and pass it along the right hand side of the wallstreet while holding down the power on/off button. The portion of the side adjacent to the keyboard seems to be more significant than the portion of the right side of the palm rest, mouse pad. Repeat a couple of times before abandoning. Good luck. Tom, I think I can at least help you solve your problem. I'm willing to bet that you replaced your H.D. with a IBM/Hitachi drive. That's not the only brand that has caused sleep problems in the Wallstreet, but it's one of the most infamous. The problem is a magnet within the drive that lines up with and confuses the magnetic sleep sensor located on the Wallstreet in the area between the Delete and Return keys. Thus the wakeup problems with the PB. Once you understand the problem, the solution is fairly simple. In fact, there are 2 or 3 solutions. You have discovered one of them -- the kitchen magnet swipe. But that's a pain the butt IMPO. I prefer a more permanent solution. A lot of Wallstreet owners have used the following solution: Tape a small ***demagnetized*** piece of metal on top of the drive to block the field from interfering with the sensor. Just get one of those snap-off blade utility knives at your local hardware store. Break off a piece long enough to cover the hard drive mounting bracket on the top far right side, demagnetize it, tape in place and re-install the drive. But I used an even simpler solution: I bought a roll of foil tape from Home Depot for 3 bucks. Two layers of that in the specified area (the right-hand end of the drive), and everything worked as described. The foil tape is cheap and easy to find. I recommend it. I haven't had the first problem with my IBM/Hitachi drive, as I used the tape before initially installing the drive. HTH Bob -- If replying privately, please include my name in the To: address, so that my filters won't send your reply to the trash. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
At 4:18 PM -0700 11/24/04, Bob wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 4:30 PM -0800 11/23/04, Tom Peterson wrote: With all due sympathy, My wallstreet does not like to wake from sleep. It does however reboot to OS9 when this happens. I have replaced the hard drive on my poor beast and that has caused me to recommend the following voodoo trick. Take a metal object ( I have used pocket knives, watches, tiny magnets be verwwy cawwfull here and pass it along the right hand side of the wallstreet while holding down the power on/off button. The portion of the side adjacent to the keyboard seems to be more significant than the portion of the right side of the palm rest, mouse pad. Repeat a couple of times before abandoning. Good luck. Tom, I think I can at least help you solve your problem. I'm willing to bet that you replaced your H.D. with a IBM/Hitachi drive. That's not the only brand that has caused sleep problems in the Wallstreet, but it's one of the most infamous. The problem is a magnet within the drive that lines up with and confuses the magnetic sleep sensor located on the Wallstreet in the area between the Delete and Return keys. Thus the wakeup problems with the PB. Once you understand the problem, the solution is fairly simple. In fact, there are 2 or 3 solutions. You have discovered one of them -- the kitchen magnet swipe. But that's a pain the butt IMPO. I prefer a more permanent solution. I have a Wallstreet with a 40Gb IBM/Hitachi drive installed and it has the won't wake from sleep problem. I use a simple fix. I open the lid and rotate the laptop about it's vertical axis while tapping the shift key. The magnet is just barely holding the lid sensor in the closed state, changing the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field is enough to clear the sensor. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
On 23/11/04 19:05, Pat Heidingsfelder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this has been talked about before, but I would like to ask anyway. I have a Wallstreet that will not boot. It has been behaving fine with a clean Jaguar install. I left it sleeping for a while then come back and nothing. Try to restart, nothing. I try to do the pram reset holding function, control and shift and hitting the power button. The fan spins and light blinks. Do it again the fan goes off. Try to boot normally nothing, not even the light blinking. So I figured I would break it open and unplug the pram battery. Once I got it open, I forgot how big of a job it was to get to it, so I just unplugged the PMU for a minute or so. Tried it out, same thing. I am just going to have to unplug the pram, or could it be something else? Any tips to getting to the pram plug? Remove the battery, plug the adapter and then try Command + Control + Power. See if that helps. If it doesn't, then maybe the PMU is defective... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
With all due sympathy, My wallstreet does not like to wake from sleep. It does however reboot to OS9 when this happens. I have replaced the hard drive on my poor beast and that has caused me to recommend the following voodoo trick. Take a metal object ( I have used pocket knives, watches, tiny magnets be verwwy cawwfull here and pass it along the right hand side of the wallstreet while holding down the power on/off button. The portion of the side adjacent to the keyboard seems to be more significant than the portion of the right side of the palm rest, mouse pad. Repeat a couple of times before abandoning. Good luck. On Nov 23, 2004, at 4:05 PM, Pat Heidingsfelder wrote: I know this has been talked about before, but I would like to ask anyway. I have a Wallstreet that will not boot. It has been behaving fine with a clean Jaguar install. I left it sleeping for a while then come back and nothing. Try to restart, nothing. I try to do the pram reset holding function, control and shift and hitting the power button. The fan spins and light blinks. Do it again the fan goes off. Try to boot normally nothing, not even the light blinking. So I figured I would break it open and unplug the pram battery. Once I got it open, I forgot how big of a job it was to get to it, so I just unplugged the PMU for a minute or so. Tried it out, same thing. I am just going to have to unplug the pram, or could it be something else? Any tips to getting to the pram plug? Thanks, Pat -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
At 11:09 AM -0700 06/11/03, Andrew wrote: Thanks to all list members for your helpful replies on this topic. From the emails I recieved it seems that the first thing I should try is replacing the PMU. Does anyone have a source for these? I've seen them online in the past for $20US, but I can't find any at the moment. The same thing happened to my Wallstreet. But a new PMU board didn't fix it. It booted once with the new PMU board and then was back to its old self. So just in case it doesn't work for you, don't be annoyed at the advice. I still haven't got mine fixed. But then with a Ti PowerBook the incentive is low. - web -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
At 11:09 AM -0700 06/11/03, Andrew wrote: Thanks to all list members for your helpful replies on this topic. From the emails I recieved it seems that the first thing I should try is replacing the PMU. Does anyone have a source for these? I've seen them online in the past for $20US, but I can't find any at the moment. The same thing happened to my Wallstreet. But a new PMU board didn't fix it. It booted once with the new PMU board and then was back to its old self. So just in case it doesn't work for you, don't be annoyed at the advice. I still haven't got mine fixed. But then with a Ti PowerBook the incentive is low. - web Yes the tibook does remove incentive, that is how I got this in the first place. However recently being reduced to using a duo greatly increased my incentive! :) I realize it may be another component such as the processor or motherboard, but this seems a good place to start... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 05/11/2003 21:19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My wallstreet won't power up properly. As soon as it gets power the fan and power light come on, but it is unresponsive except to the reset keystroke (cmd,shift,function,power) which turns the light and fan off. Does anybody have any idea which component is most likely malfunctioning? --- From an expensive experience, I would first try to reseat the processor card. Make SURE it is pressed FIRMLY into place! Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
Thanks to all list members for your helpful replies on this topic. From the emails I recieved it seems that the first thing I should try is replacing the PMU. Does anyone have a source for these? I've seen them online in the past for $20US, but I can't find any at the moment. Until this is fixed, I'm on an old duo that doesn't allow me to use ebay or other complex sites. :( -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
these places have them: http://www.pbfixit.com http://www.4pcdeals.com http://www.powerbooktech.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: dead WallStreet
My Reply follows quote. On 26/09/2003 16:57 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: When I want to start my Wallstreet, all I hear is this fan, it's really loud, and I can't hear the HD spinning up. The only way to shut it down is to turn it off as if I were zapping the PRAM, but if I do that again, the same thing happens. Also, the machine appears to be in sleep when it has been 'shut down', ie the sleep light is on - Hard to say, as several problems produce the same symptoms. First thing to try is Reset Power Manager. Look on the back of the machine, behind the port cover door. There is a decal showing the procedure. If no luck, then you might try reseating the processor card. Your symptom is also often caused by the processor card just a bit loose. Press it in FIRMLY. Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
At 5:33 PM -0700 9/12/03, Paul Nicholson wrote: On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 09:43 AM, Byron Gardner wrote: On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to xlr8yourmac and look up Toshiba and IBM hard drives for Wallstreet you can get links to the modding info you need to fix this problem. Basically you are going to need to use a non-conductive piece of metal as a shield for the side of the new hard drive where the magnet lives, and you might have to reset the magnetic switch with another magnet. I have this problem on my WallStreet. I decided not to fix it. Most of the time it will wake up okay. In those cases when it doesn't I just rotate the computer 90 degrees, hit a key and it wakes. It's either the motion releasing the reed switch or the effect of the earth's magnetic field. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
On Friday, September 12, 2003, at 09:43 AM, Byron Gardner wrote: On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to xlr8yourmac and look up Toshiba and IBM hard drives for Wallstreet you can get links to the modding info you need to fix this problem. Basically you are going to need to use a non-conductive piece of metal as a shield for the side of the new hard drive where the magnet lives, and you might have to reset the magnetic switch with another magnet. All metal is conductive. Use a piece of thin sheet steel. Blank expansion card fences, the metal covers shipped on empty PCI slots, are perfect - . They are the right thickness and width, and all you have to do is cut the ends off to get a strip is the width of the hard disk. Tape it to the top right end of your hard disk. You must use a ferrous or metal with ferrous magnetic properties. The metal serves a shield by conducting the magnetic flux from the hard disk so it doesn't go through the reed switch. Aluminum, copper, brass, plastic, etc. won't work. Cobalt, and mu-metal will work but sheet steel is a lot easier to find. I installed an IBM 20G on my WallStreet and had to play this game too. Paul -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 10/09/2003 00:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have an old Wallstreet that I tricked out a while ago, 466 Newertech processor, 512 RAM memory, and it's run like a beast without much hassle. Recently my 12G hardrive that I had dropped in when I upgraded my Pismo started to make some clicking sounds then made the clicking sound of death while I was doing a clean install of OS9. I pulled out the dead drive and I grabbed an unintialized 40G hard drive and using the usual static precautions dropped it into the Wallstreet hoping to initialize the drive and install the OS. Well, now all I get when I hit the power button is a buzzing sound. When I reset the PMU with shift+fn+control+power all is silence, then when I release the keys the green power light goes on for a second, the screen flickers, and it dies again. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- I have a Wallstreet that had similar symptoms. After much parts swapping, I finally got it going by changing out the processor card. Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have an old Wallstreet that I tricked out a while ago, 466 Newertech processor, 512 RAM memory, and it's run like a beast without much hassle. Recently my 12G hardrive that I had dropped in when I upgraded my Pismo started to make some clicking sounds then made the clicking sound of death while I was doing a clean install of OS9. I pulled out the dead drive and I grabbed an unintialized 40G hard drive and using the usual static precautions dropped it into the Wallstreet hoping to initialize the drive and install the OS. Well, now all I get when I hit the power button is a buzzing sound. When I reset the PMU with shift+fn+control+power all is silence, then when I release the keys the green power light goes on for a second, the screen flickers, and it dies again. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance, Ben Welcome to the Sleep Of Death. Basically the new hard drive has a more powerful magnet than the hard drives that shipped with every G3 Series PowerBook, and the magnetic switch that is supposed to signal to the Mac that the lid is closed gets tripped. If you go to xlr8yourmac and look up Toshiba and IBM hard drives for Wallstreet you can get links to the modding info you need to fix this problem. Basically you are going to need to use a non-conductive piece of metal as a shield for the side of the new hard drive where the magnet lives, and you might have to reset the magnetic switch with another magnet. Your Wallstreet isn't dead...it's just SLEEPING. Good luck, -.\\-H- -- Michelle Klein-Hass Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 Brought to you by Linux, KDE and KMail...try it, you'll like it! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 10/09/2003 08:02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have an old Wallstreet that I tricked out a while ago, 466 Newertech processor, 512 RAM memory, and it's run like a beast without much hassle. Recently my 12G hardrive that I had dropped in when I upgraded my Pismo started to make some clicking sounds then made the clicking sound of death while I was doing a clean install of OS9. I pulled out the dead drive and I grabbed an unintialized 40G hard drive and using the usual static precautions dropped it into the Wallstreet hoping to initialize the drive and install the OS. Well, now all I get when I hit the power button is a buzzing sound. When I reset the PMU with shift+fn+control+power all is silence, then when I release the keys the green power light goes on for a second, the screen flickers, and it dies again. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance, Ben Welcome to the Sleep Of Death. Basically the new hard drive has a more powerful magnet than the hard drives that shipped with every G3 Series PowerBook, and the magnetic switch that is supposed to signal to the Mac that the lid is closed gets tripped. If you go to xlr8yourmac and look up Toshiba and IBM hard drives for Wallstreet you can get links to the modding info you need to fix this problem. Basically you are going to need to use a non-conductive piece of metal as a shield for the side of the new hard drive where the magnet lives, and you might have to reset the magnetic switch with another magnet. Your Wallstreet isn't dead...it's just SLEEPING. Hmmm. When I had my Wallstreet stripped to its bones, I could have sworn that the magnetic reed switch was located on the left side of the case while the HD is located on the right side of the case. A VERY powerful magnet? Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
On 9/10/03 10:02 AM, Michelle Klein-Hass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 10 September 2003 12:48 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have an old Wallstreet that I tricked out a while ago, 466 Newertech processor, 512 RAM memory, and it's run like a beast without much hassle. Recently my 12G hardrive that I had dropped in when I upgraded my Pismo started to make some clicking sounds then made the clicking sound of death while I was doing a clean install of OS9. I pulled out the dead drive and I grabbed an unintialized 40G hard drive and using the usual static precautions dropped it into the Wallstreet hoping to initialize the drive and install the OS. Well, now all I get when I hit the power button is a buzzing sound. When I reset the PMU with shift+fn+control+power all is silence, then when I release the keys the green power light goes on for a second, the screen flickers, and it dies again. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance, Ben Welcome to the Sleep Of Death. Basically the new hard drive has a more powerful magnet than the hard drives that shipped with every G3 Series PowerBook, and the magnetic switch that is supposed to signal to the Mac that the lid is closed gets tripped. I had placed a shield made of electrician's tape over the hard drive before I started up the computer. I have experienced the sleep of death before and this is definitely different. I think your idea about having to reset the magnetic switch is a good one, I'll look for another magnet and see it if works. But, I did break down the machine and disconnect the AC power and pull the battery. That should have done it if it was an electrical switch. If it's a small mechanical switch that should not have worked. I did not disconnect the PRAM battery but I can give that one a shot also. If you go to xlr8yourmac and look up Toshiba and IBM hard drives for Wallstreet you can get links to the modding info you need to fix this problem. Basically you are going to need to use a non-conductive piece of metal as a shield for the side of the new hard drive where the magnet lives, and you might have to reset the magnetic switch with another magnet. Your Wallstreet isn't dead...it's just SLEEPING. I sure hope so! It may not be dead yet, but it's looking like a pretty deep coma. Good luck, -.\\-H- Thanks Michelle! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 08:35 am, Ken wrote: Hmmm. When I had my Wallstreet stripped to its bones, I could have sworn that the magnetic reed switch was located on the left side of the case while the HD is located on the right side of the case. A VERY powerful magnet? I have never seen this happen first-hand, but there are enough anecdotal reports on xlr8yourmac.com to suggest this isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. Lemme go find the actual reference... Here it is: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/PB_G3/wallstreet_hard_drive/index.html Coverage of the Sleep Of Death reed switch issue begins in the second paragraph. -.\\-H- -- Michelle Klein-Hass Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 Brought to you by Linux, KDE and KMail...try it, you'll like it! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Dead Wallstreet
My Reply follows quote. On 10/09/2003 16:01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wednesday 10 September 2003 08:35 am, Ken wrote: Hmmm. When I had my Wallstreet stripped to its bones, I could have sworn that the magnetic reed switch was located on the left side of the case while the HD is located on the right side of the case. A VERY powerful magnet? I have never seen this happen first-hand, but there are enough anecdotal reports on xlr8yourmac.com to suggest this isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. Lemme go find the actual reference... Here it is: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/PB_G3/wallstreet_hard_drive/index.html - Went back and reviewed the take-apart on the Wallstreet. I see that I was right but I was wrong. The magnetic reed switch was located on the left side of the case, but I had the top case upside down. It is in fact part of the cable set going to the PMU and on the same side of the upper case as the hard drive. Still have an extra cable set, as a matter of fact. Ken -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
