Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-14 Thread Bruce Johnson 
On Mar 13, 2005, at 5:22 PM, diane wrote:
Right now the book is a bit slower at only 256mb. When will Apple put 
real ram in their machines?  I upgraded the desktop to 1gb right 
off the bat.

 Read an news item the other day that said Apple is going to start 
shipping all machines with 512 minimum soon.
I did find the 9.2 install on the cd's with the iBook. It's on the 
repair cd, under install additional software. How odd is that, you'd 
never find it unless you looked. Are your cd's like that or are they 
complete 9.2 cd's? You may be able to twist my arm if that's the case, 
esp if I need to keep the 6500.
That's because the iBook won't boot off of a OS 9 CD, so the regular 
installer CD's wouldn't work.

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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-14 Thread Tim Collier 
I've never really used OS 9 since I switched in 2001 back when 10.1 was just
released.  My first Mac was a G4 867 tower and it booted into OS 9 but I
wanted to see what OS X was all about to I restarted it and never went back.
All of the software that I've purchased has been for OS X.  My desktop is a
20 inch G5 iMacI think I told you and I only use OS X on itnever run
classic and don't have classic installed on either.
When I bought the iBook, I knew that 256 wasn't enough, so I bought an
additional 512it was a bit of a challenge installing it as you need a
'tiny' screwdriver to do ithad to go out and buy one.  But once I got
it, it was easy.
Yes, I knew that there was an OS 9 (classic) install on the other disk.  My
other OS 9 installation disks are for G4's and say so on the disk.  So, I
don't think you could use them to install on anything else.
Since switching from PC, I have become a true Mac Addict!

Take care,

Tim


On 3/13/05 7:22 PM, "diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Tim! The scary thing is that I was using a borrowed XP laptop on
> the couch, and more than the G4 MDD.  It's too easy to sit there and
> surf, isn't it.  ;)
> 
> Hopefully with the ibook I can get rid of the two machines I use for
> my home business as well, providing I can get my cutter to work off
> it. Worst case I keep the 6500 which isn't worth much on the open
> market anyway!
> 
> Right now the book is a bit slower at only 256mb. When will Apple put
> real ram in their machines?  I upgraded the desktop to 1gb
> right off the bat.
> 
> I have 2 iPods compliments of my SO. The 5gb 1G when it first came
> out, and then xmas 03 for some reason he decided I needed a bigger
> one so he got me the 40gb 3G. I hadn't even filled the 5gb yet.
> Anyway, I do take them out blading, biking, running etc and even in
> the car, depending on where I go, I'm a nervous wreck with them.  I
> think the Shuffle will put my mind at ease some. If he had bought it
> for me without the 'book, I know I'd have the bigger one but honestly
> neither of us will use it for more than 8 hours at a stretch!
> 
> I did find the 9.2 install on the cd's with the iBook. It's on the
> repair cd, under install additional software. How odd is that, you'd
> never find it unless you looked. Are your cd's like that or are they
> complete 9.2 cd's? You may be able to twist my arm if that's the
> case, esp if I need to keep the 6500.
> 
> Thanks for the offer and glad to know I'm not the only crazy one
> sitting on the couch with a laptop. Not too good for the posture
> though LOL
> 
> 
> Diane
> 
> 
> At 6:30 PM -0500 3/13/05, Tim Collier wrote:
>> Hi Diane:
>> 
>> I have the same iBook as you.  I find that I use it more than my main
>> desktop.G5 iMac 1.8 gig.reason is it's so comfortable to use
>> (reclining on the sofa with the news playing on the TV right now).  I also
>> treated myself to the $99 Shuffle and I LOVE it!  So easy to use and a joy
>> to listen to.Apple is the 'bomb'!  Anyway, the reason for my response, I
>> have a few OS 9 install CD's sitting around from old G4 purchases, if you
>> need one, I'd be more than willing to send one to you.  Let me know...no
>> cost involved!
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/13/05 3:50 PM, "diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>>  At 4:38 PM -0700 3/11/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
  On Mar 11, 2005, at 3:41 PM, diane wrote:
 
>  I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T
>  wireless card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~
> 
 
  Won't work. iBooks don't have pc card slots. Airport Extreme is the
  only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB adapters.
 
  (and if that moves you towards a Powerbook, the 12" Powerbooks don't
  have 'em either)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Thanks, I hadn't realized that! I ended up with the $999 iBook. I had
>>>  called them earlier in the day and "Dave" said there were a fair
>>>  number of $799 1ghz machines in the stock room. When we got there
>>>  however, Dave was busy (the place was packed). I got the absolutely
>>>  worst person I had ever seen at that store - ever! He looked twice
>>>  (15 mins each time) and swore that there was only 1 refurbed
>>>  powerbook back there. All I can say is that it's a good thing I know
>>>  and love the product, else I would have walked out, that's how bad he
>>>  was. I just decided it wasn't worth it and went with the new one.
>>> 
>>>  So new iBook, Airport Express and a 512 Shuffle for "the house".
>>>  Hubby said I would have gotten the Shuffle for my bday but now that I
>>>  have the 'book, we share the Shuffle LOL.
>>> 
>>>  I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed
>>>  for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know
>>>  I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 
>>> 
>>>  Always something!  :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Diane
>> 
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread Jim Dynes 
No it doesn't but it comes on a disk with the machine. I believe it is 
on a disk called other software.

Jim
On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:50 PM, diane wrote:
I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed 
for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know 
I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 

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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread diane 
Hi Tim! The scary thing is that I was using a borrowed XP laptop on 
the couch, and more than the G4 MDD.  It's too easy to sit there and 
surf, isn't it.  ;)

Hopefully with the ibook I can get rid of the two machines I use for 
my home business as well, providing I can get my cutter to work off 
it. Worst case I keep the 6500 which isn't worth much on the open 
market anyway!

Right now the book is a bit slower at only 256mb. When will Apple put 
real ram in their machines?  I upgraded the desktop to 1gb 
right off the bat.

I have 2 iPods compliments of my SO. The 5gb 1G when it first came 
out, and then xmas 03 for some reason he decided I needed a bigger 
one so he got me the 40gb 3G. I hadn't even filled the 5gb yet. 
Anyway, I do take them out blading, biking, running etc and even in 
the car, depending on where I go, I'm a nervous wreck with them.  I 
think the Shuffle will put my mind at ease some. If he had bought it 
for me without the 'book, I know I'd have the bigger one but honestly 
neither of us will use it for more than 8 hours at a stretch!

I did find the 9.2 install on the cd's with the iBook. It's on the 
repair cd, under install additional software. How odd is that, you'd 
never find it unless you looked. Are your cd's like that or are they 
complete 9.2 cd's? You may be able to twist my arm if that's the 
case, esp if I need to keep the 6500.

Thanks for the offer and glad to know I'm not the only crazy one 
sitting on the couch with a laptop. Not too good for the posture 
though LOL

Diane
At 6:30 PM -0500 3/13/05, Tim Collier wrote:
Hi Diane:
I have the same iBook as you.  I find that I use it more than my main
desktop.G5 iMac 1.8 gig.reason is it's so comfortable to use
(reclining on the sofa with the news playing on the TV right now).  I also
treated myself to the $99 Shuffle and I LOVE it!  So easy to use and a joy
to listen to.Apple is the 'bomb'!  Anyway, the reason for my response, I
have a few OS 9 install CD's sitting around from old G4 purchases, if you
need one, I'd be more than willing to send one to you.  Let me know...no
cost involved!
Tim
On 3/13/05 3:50 PM, "diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 At 4:38 PM -0700 3/11/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 On Mar 11, 2005, at 3:41 PM, diane wrote:
 I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T
 wireless card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~
 Won't work. iBooks don't have pc card slots. Airport Extreme is the
 only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB adapters.
 (and if that moves you towards a Powerbook, the 12" Powerbooks don't
 have 'em either)

 Thanks, I hadn't realized that! I ended up with the $999 iBook. I had
 called them earlier in the day and "Dave" said there were a fair
 number of $799 1ghz machines in the stock room. When we got there
 however, Dave was busy (the place was packed). I got the absolutely
 worst person I had ever seen at that store - ever! He looked twice
 (15 mins each time) and swore that there was only 1 refurbed
 powerbook back there. All I can say is that it's a good thing I know
 and love the product, else I would have walked out, that's how bad he
 was. I just decided it wasn't worth it and went with the new one.
 So new iBook, Airport Express and a 512 Shuffle for "the house".
 Hubby said I would have gotten the Shuffle for my bday but now that I
 have the 'book, we share the Shuffle LOL.
 I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed
 for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know
 I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 
 Always something!  :)
 Diane
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread Tim Collier 
Hi Diane:

I have the same iBook as you.  I find that I use it more than my main
desktop.G5 iMac 1.8 gig.reason is it's so comfortable to use
(reclining on the sofa with the news playing on the TV right now).  I also
treated myself to the $99 Shuffle and I LOVE it!  So easy to use and a joy
to listen to.Apple is the 'bomb'!  Anyway, the reason for my response, I
have a few OS 9 install CD's sitting around from old G4 purchases, if you
need one, I'd be more than willing to send one to you.  Let me know...no
cost involved!

Tim


On 3/13/05 3:50 PM, "diane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 4:38 PM -0700 3/11/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 2005, at 3:41 PM, diane wrote:
>> 
>>> I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T
>>> wireless card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~
>>> 
>> 
>> Won't work. iBooks don't have pc card slots. Airport Extreme is the
>> only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB adapters.
>> 
>> (and if that moves you towards a Powerbook, the 12" Powerbooks don't
>> have 'em either)
> 
> 
> Thanks, I hadn't realized that! I ended up with the $999 iBook. I had
> called them earlier in the day and "Dave" said there were a fair
> number of $799 1ghz machines in the stock room. When we got there
> however, Dave was busy (the place was packed). I got the absolutely
> worst person I had ever seen at that store - ever! He looked twice
> (15 mins each time) and swore that there was only 1 refurbed
> powerbook back there. All I can say is that it's a good thing I know
> and love the product, else I would have walked out, that's how bad he
> was. I just decided it wasn't worth it and went with the new one.
> 
> So new iBook, Airport Express and a 512 Shuffle for "the house".
> Hubby said I would have gotten the Shuffle for my bday but now that I
> have the 'book, we share the Shuffle LOL.
> 
> I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed
> for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know
> I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 
> 
> Always something!  :)
> 
> 
> Diane

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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread Clark Martin 
At 2:14 PM -0700 3/13/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:50 PM, diane wrote:
I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 
installed for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD 
CD's? I know I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 


A new iBook should have OS 9 installed. If not it's on your restore 
disks. Panther works fine with 9.1 if that's what you've got. Yes, 
you should be able to get it off the G4 disks using Pacifist.


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My  iBook came with a third installer disk that included an OS 9 
Classic installer.  IIRC neither the disk nor the installer file 
identified it as such, it wasn't until the installer was run did it 
indicate it would install OS 9.  So check your installer disks.
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread diane 
At 2:14 PM -0700 3/13/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:50 PM, diane wrote:
I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 
installed for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD 
CD's? I know I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 


A new iBook should have OS 9 installed. If not it's on your restore 
disks. Panther works fine with 9.1 if that's what you've got. Yes, 
you should be able to get it off the G4 disks using Pacifist.

There is no 9.x folder at all, I searched for it. If 9.1 will work, 
that is great, I know I have those in my piles o'cds!

Diane
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread Bruce Johnson 
On Mar 13, 2005, at 1:50 PM, diane wrote:
I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed 
for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know 
I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 

A new iBook should have OS 9 installed. If not it's on your restore 
disks. Panther works fine with 9.1 if that's what you've got. Yes, you 
should be able to get it off the G4 disks using Pacifist.


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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-13 Thread diane 
At 4:38 PM -0700 3/11/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Mar 11, 2005, at 3:41 PM, diane wrote:
I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T 
wireless card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~

Won't work. iBooks don't have pc card slots. Airport Extreme is the 
only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB adapters.

(and if that moves you towards a Powerbook, the 12" Powerbooks don't 
have 'em either)

Thanks, I hadn't realized that! I ended up with the $999 iBook. I had 
called them earlier in the day and "Dave" said there were a fair 
number of $799 1ghz machines in the stock room. When we got there 
however, Dave was busy (the place was packed). I got the absolutely 
worst person I had ever seen at that store - ever! He looked twice 
(15 mins each time) and swore that there was only 1 refurbed 
powerbook back there. All I can say is that it's a good thing I know 
and love the product, else I would have walked out, that's how bad he 
was. I just decided it wasn't worth it and went with the new one.

So new iBook, Airport Express and a 512 Shuffle for "the house". 
Hubby said I would have gotten the Shuffle for my bday but now that I 
have the 'book, we share the Shuffle LOL.

I am loving the 'book! But, Panther does not come with 9.2 installed 
for Classic, does it? Any way I can get it off my G4 MDD CD's? I know 
I have 9.x disks but I don't think I have 9.2 itself 

Always something!  :)
Diane
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Re: new laptop possibility

2005-03-12 Thread Dyna 
	I'll have to dig around at my local Microcenter a bit- $617 
is less than it would cost to fix my lemon Pismo and upgrade it to 
match the iBook's specs. But one has to remember that like all 
current Apple portables it's a throwaway computer with a 3 year 
(AppleCare) life

Dyna
Chris,
Good deal, until you find a MicroCenter selling a 1.0 gHz, 512m RAM, 
30 g HD, Combo drive, 12" iBook brand new in the box for $617. The 
outer shipping box was marked 256m RAM, but the Apple box was 512m 
RAM. Neither had been opened. The guy who bought it had an $849 
refurb on order with Apple at the time. He called to stop the order 
and buy the $617 iBook. Apple lowered the price by $40, still not 
enough in his case. Food for thought.

Shawn
On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Chris wrote:
Until recently (and I think it's a recurring deal) the Apple Store 
has been selling refurb 12" G4/1.2 iBooks, with Airport extreme 
standard, for $849, full 1 year warranty. That's a good deal.

Chris
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Re: new laptop possibility

2005-03-12 Thread Shawn Harley 
Chris,
Good deal, until you find a MicroCenter selling a 1.0 gHz, 512m RAM, 30 
g HD, Combo drive, 12" iBook brand new in the box for $617. The outer 
shipping box was marked 256m RAM, but the Apple box was 512m RAM. 
Neither had been opened. The guy who bought it had an $849 refurb on 
order with Apple at the time. He called to stop the order and buy the 
$617 iBook. Apple lowered the price by $40, still not enough in his 
case. Food for thought.

Shawn
On Mar 11, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Chris wrote:
Until recently (and I think it's a recurring deal) the Apple Store has 
been selling refurb 12" G4/1.2 iBooks, with Airport extreme standard, 
for $849, full 1 year warranty. That's a good deal.

Chris
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-11 Thread Anne Judge 
On Mar 11, 2005, at 6:38 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Airport Extreme is the only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB 
adapters.
Or a bridge that hooks into the ethernet port (such as I have on my 
ReplyTV) - but you lose all portability with that!

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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-11 Thread Bruce Johnson 
On Mar 11, 2005, at 3:41 PM, diane wrote:
I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T wireless 
card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~

Won't work. iBooks don't have pc card slots. Airport Extreme is the 
only choice, beyond the generally dodgy USB adapters.

(and if that moves you towards a Powerbook, the 12" Powerbooks don't 
have 'em either)


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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-11 Thread diane 
At 2:10 PM -0700 3/11/05, Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:48 PM, diane wrote:
My SO is trying to convince me to buy a *book for my bday. (he's a 
great guy). I do all the bills so of course I am money conscious.

I have a dual 1.42 desktop so I am not looking to replace that, but 
I would be replacing my Yikes! and 6500 with it. So power is not 
really an issue.

Current ibooks are $999. Our local Apple store has some of the 
1.0ghz ibooks for $799.

I *believe* he said the older ones were 256mb/30gb which is the 
same as the current ones. Combo drives. I didn't ask about airport, 
oh, and iLife. I suppose those two features alone would be worth 
the extra $200
An airport Extreme card and iLife are $79 each, so that's less than 
the difference. The older one will come with iLife, but possibly the 
older version.

But given that this is the Apple store, they may come with the 
current version.

I'd say the $799 model is the better deal.
(and, off topic, but the Apple Store is selling iPod mini's for $179 
in the clearance section. Damn! Now my new shuffle doesn't look like 
such a deal :-( )

I was thinking iWork, not iLife, oh well. I do have an AT&T wireless 
card already, I guess I'll wing it when I get there~

Diane
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Re: new laptop possibility

2005-03-11 Thread Chris 
On 11 Mar 2005, at 21:30, G-Books wrote:
An airport Extreme card and iLife are $79 each, so that's less than the
difference. The older one will come with iLife, but possibly the older
version.
But given that this is the Apple store, they may come with the current
version.
I'd say the $799 model is the better deal
Until recently (and I think it's a recurring deal) the Apple Store has 
been selling refurb 12" G4/1.2 iBooks, with Airport extreme standard, 
for $849, full 1 year warranty. That's a good deal.

Chris
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Re: New laptop possibility

2005-03-11 Thread Bruce Johnson 
On Mar 11, 2005, at 12:48 PM, diane wrote:
My SO is trying to convince me to buy a *book for my bday. (he's a 
great guy). I do all the bills so of course I am money conscious.

I have a dual 1.42 desktop so I am not looking to replace that, but I 
would be replacing my Yikes! and 6500 with it. So power is not really 
an issue.

Current ibooks are $999. Our local Apple store has some of the 1.0ghz 
ibooks for $799.

I *believe* he said the older ones were 256mb/30gb which is the same 
as the current ones. Combo drives. I didn't ask about airport, oh, and 
iLife. I suppose those two features alone would be worth the extra 
$200
An airport Extreme card and iLife are $79 each, so that's less than the 
difference. The older one will come with iLife, but possibly the older 
version.

But given that this is the Apple store, they may come with the current 
version.

I'd say the $799 model is the better deal.
(and, off topic, but the Apple Store is selling iPod mini's for $179 in 
the clearance section. Damn! Now my new shuffle doesn't look like such 
a deal :-( )

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