Re: system errors
Thanks guys... will give the suggestions a try and let you know what happens... you are all GREAT! Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors update
No luck so far... Accounts hangs on opening in infinite cursor spinning, and Preferential Treatment hangs (no dialog box, shows icon in the doc but says it's not responding)... unless someone has another idea, the next step is a limited Archive Re-instal... : ( Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:04 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Thanks guys... will give the suggestions a try and let you know what happens... you are all GREAT! Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors update
Do you have a second machine running X? If so link the 2 via firewire and start your problem machine while holding the T key. This will start it in target mode, the hard drive will show up as a firewire drive. Try running your diagnostics/repairs from the second machine. John On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:21 PM, sandra ragan wrote: No luck so far... Accounts hangs on opening in infinite cursor spinning, and Preferential Treatment hangs (no dialog box, shows icon in the doc but says it's not responding)... unless someone has another idea, the next step is a limited Archive Re-instal... : ( Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:04 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Thanks guys... will give the suggestions a try and let you know what happens... you are all GREAT! Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- Only when the plumbing is stopped up do you realize that a flush is better than a full house. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors update
will try that from my ibook... had to do that when I first upgraded to Panther the Big Al refused to boot after the first upgrade installation for some reason. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:40 PM, John McGibney wrote: Do you have a second machine running X? If so link the 2 via firewire and start your problem machine while holding the T key. This will start it in target mode, the hard drive will show up as a firewire drive. Try running your diagnostics/repairs from the second machine. John On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:21 PM, sandra ragan wrote: No luck so far... Accounts hangs on opening in infinite cursor spinning, and Preferential Treatment hangs (no dialog box, shows icon in the doc but says it's not responding)... unless someone has another idea, the next step is a limited Archive Re-instal... : ( Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 20, 2006, at 12:04 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Thanks guys... will give the suggestions a try and let you know what happens... you are all GREAT! Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- Only when the plumbing is stopped up do you realize that a flush is better than a full house. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories
Re: system errors
OK... here's one for you. Any ideas before I toss the backed up system files as useless? Back in August I had a weird system level problem that ended in reformatting the internal drive on the Big Al powerbook... short version is 12 lbs of cat tweaking the case caused system file damage on the internal HD and one external Firewire. I lost a lot of settings on that system and they were backed up (duplicate boot drive) to an external Firewire. The same error affected the Firewire at one point and that system is still damaged. Wanted to pick your brains on ways to restore it without loosing everything that's installed in the system like Lightwave, CAD aps, etc. that I was hoping to avoid three days of reinstallation on. Symptoms when booting from this system (10.3.8): all Apple aps freeze or malfunction when an operation requires some kind of system query... Mail hangs on opening, Safari opens but can't find a web page, calculator freezes on calculation, system update works until it gets a list of files to update... then freezes when you try to uncheck a selection or when it starts downloading update files, installer opens to an empty window... all these include a spinning cursor and Forced Quit says ap not responding. Actually gave it 24hrs once to see if it would eventually clear but never did. Successive Forced Quits result in accumulation errors until none of the Apple aps work at all... third party aps are not affected unless they make a call on some Apple related function... example, I can connect to the web with Explorer but not Safari. What does NOT work... any type of partial reinstall of the system.. some functions are fixed but not all. Mail is never fixed this way. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: OK... here's one for you. Any ideas before I toss the backed up system files as useless? This is precisely what Archive and Re-installs fix. Boot from the 10.3 CD, and install OS X , you will be given the option of doingan Archive Reinstall, keeping your user data. Do that. The immediately run all the updates, and you should be up and running. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
Sorry but that I tried that and it didn't work... several times in several ways... some of the backups I saved are from that procedure. somewhere I read that not ALL the critical files are reinstalled during that procedure and it must be those files causing the problem. TechToolps Pro, Disk Warrior, repair permissions, and PRAM resetting were also run on these drives and eventually came up clean but the core problem still existed. I ran into some problems reinstalling because the drives had been updated with System Update and the installer couldn't write over that version... when it did, the System Update would still freeze, so I couldn't take get back to 10.3.9, where I started. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:46 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: OK... here's one for you. Any ideas before I toss the backed up system files as useless? This is precisely what Archive and Re-installs fix. Boot from the 10.3 CD, and install OS X , you will be given the option of doingan Archive Reinstall, keeping your user data. Do that. The immediately run all the updates, and you should be up and running. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On 19/01/06 14:23, sandra ragan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but that I tried that and it didn't work... several times in several ways... some of the backups I saved are from that procedure. somewhere I read that not ALL the critical files are reinstalled during that procedure and it must be those files causing the problem. TechToolps Pro, Disk Warrior, repair permissions, and PRAM resetting were also run on these drives and eventually came up clean but the core problem still existed. I ran into some problems reinstalling because the drives had been updated with System Update and the installer couldn't write over that version... when it did, the System Update would still freeze, so I couldn't take get back to 10.3.9, where I started. Then, I'm afraid you'll have to backup your documents in your account and then do a format and reinstall. I don't see any other solution if Archive Install won't work. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:23 PM, sandra ragan wrote: somewhere I read that not ALL the critical files are reinstalled during that procedure and it must be those files causing the problem. Archive and re-install replaces the entire /System and /Library folders, plus the Apple-installed Applications. Anything in your user directory is retained. If it's something in there that's causing the problems, logging on as another user will cause the issues to go away. If that's the case, start with looking at startup items, then prefs, and Application Helpers in your ~/ Library folder. TechToolps Pro, Disk Warrior, repair permissions, and PRAM resetting were also run on these drives and eventually came up clean but the core problem still existed. Then it's time for a nukepave: reformat and re-install, and if that doesn't fix it, it's a hardware issue, not software. Apps can be re- installed by dragging from a backup or re-installing from original media. Given your initial problem was caused by fur-ware, I suspect a hardware issue, to be honest. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Mail is never fixed this way. Missed this bit in your original post. If AR didn't fix it, this is absolutely a user-level issue. Create a new user and log in as that user, If the problems in the Apple programs go away it's GOT to be something in your user directory, probably corrupted prefs. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
That's what I eventually did with the internal drive... I've been holding on to the firewire in hope that someone else somewhere had a solution... : ( For those who wonder why I get stubborn about these things and don't just wipe it the first time, like all the PC techs I know... way back in the 80's when I started using Macs, I discovered that unlike DOS/Windows, with their nonsensical file systems, the Mac system was laid out in an organized fashion... and you if you learned how it worked, you could fix most things yourself... you could move your system intact from one machine to another in less time than it took to reinstall everything and you could usually find/replace the offending files without trashing the whole thing but now that we are on a hybrid UNIX system with multiple anti-file-copy prevention schemes... doing even simple diagnostics is a pain! Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: On 19/01/06 14:23, sandra ragan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but that I tried that and it didn't work... several times in several ways... some of the backups I saved are from that procedure. somewhere I read that not ALL the critical files are reinstalled during that procedure and it must be those files causing the problem. TechToolps Pro, Disk Warrior, repair permissions, and PRAM resetting were also run on these drives and eventually came up clean but the core problem still existed. I ran into some problems reinstalling because the drives had been updated with System Update and the installer couldn't write over that version... when it did, the System Update would still freeze, so I couldn't take get back to 10.3.9, where I started. Then, I'm afraid you'll have to backup your documents in your account and then do a format and reinstall. I don't see any other solution if Archive Install won't work. -Laurent. -- === = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Mail is never fixed this way. Missed this bit in your original post. If AR didn't fix it, this is absolutely a user-level issue. Create a new user and log in as that user, If the problems in the Apple programs go away it's GOT to be something in your user directory, probably corrupted prefs. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On 19/01/06 14:41, sandra ragan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Mail is never fixed this way. Missed this bit in your original post. If AR didn't fix it, this is absolutely a user-level issue. Create a new user and log in as that user, If the problems in the Apple programs go away it's GOT to be something in your user directory, probably corrupted prefs. I agree with Bruce. Before wiping everything, create a new account (if you can) and then try to log into that account. IF the problem goes away, then you have some corrupted file in your own account. If not, then it's a system-wide problem that most likely only a reinstall could fix. I also agree with Bruce that, given the cause of the problem in the first place, it is quite possibly a hardware problem. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
Three things to try before you nuke and install. 1. Use 'Preferential Treatment' to check your preference files. 2. Try Archive/Install without keeping network/user settings. 3. install 'AppleJack' and run it at startup. It loads in safe mode, follow instructions for use. both apps can be found at www.versiontracker.com. John On Jan 19, 2006, at 2:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Sandra Ragan www.plumdigital.com On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 10:29 AM, sandra ragan wrote: Mail is never fixed this way. Missed this bit in your original post. If AR didn't fix it, this is absolutely a user-level issue. Create a new user and log in as that user, If the problems in the Apple programs go away it's GOT to be something in your user directory, probably corrupted prefs. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- Quotable Quotes What the American people have seen is this incredible disparity in which those people who had cars and money got out and those people who were impoverished died. -- Ted Kennedy on Hurricane Katrina Ditto -- Mary Jo Kopechne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system errors
At 1:58 PM -0700 01/19/2006, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:41 PM, sandra ragan wrote: I tried Protected mode but didn't try a different user... it's in Admin... I did try changing some of those setting which were not working right. Every OS X system should have a test user, with admin rights, just to test things like this. It's a way of very quickly isolating problems to user versus system-wide settings. hum. I agree, but without the admin rights. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
