Re: Real computers
--- shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not recommend Microsoft Anti Spyware since it is a hog of the software world, and it caused problems on my home machine and our work servers. If you are going to donload things download Lavasoft Adaware, Shawn, I've got to disagee with you on a bunch of stuff here... but do what works best for you ;-) I will agree that MS is the hog of the software world :-) I spent a great deal of time making sure I didn't have a shred of MS software on one of my old PowerBooks and intended to do away with all my Microsoft stuff on Mac platforms... but then I realized I was living a pipe dream and i basically now use whatever I need to that makes my life easier. As for Microsoft's Anti Spyware messing up your home machine and work servers, I'm sorry to hear that, but it's been the only thing that has been able to restore full interent connectivity on some of our workstations here dependent on an ASP connection. (Spybot and Adaware wouldn't touch it.) Of course, it's a Beta product and I would never, personally, put it on any server (workstations only), but I'll stand behind it as a good and useful product. Comparing the big three (Adaware, Spybot and MS), Adaware is going to have to hit the bottom of my barrel, and, when I'm in a time crunch, I usually just run Spybot and MS and forego Adaware. It used to be my favorite long ago... but now it seems that it finds less and less (other than cookies) and really doens't hepl all that much from a cleaning standpoint... But thats just my opinion. I could go on getting into the whole Symantec Anti-Virus debate, but I'm thinking this whole thread is getting slightly off topic (Mac) so i won't dwell anymore ;-) I can tell you though that we;ve had really good success with MS's Spyware beta here, so next time your in a pinch, as a last resort... revisit it and give it a try. ---david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked about the joys of Novell. Ah... Novell. I miss those days. Got out of that when they jumped from 4 to 5 :-( Have had to deal with Win2000 Server ever since :-( :-( I loved the old days of Novell servers when wary coworkers would glimpse the console prompt and be afraid of even touching the keyboard... not knowing what cryptic Novell command they needed in order to do something... Then came the days of Win NT when every Tom, Dick or Harry decided they could be a Network Admin cause the GUI was just so familiar and friendly!! Isn't that great!!! I can't tell you how many client sites I visit where somebody has setup a Windows Server and has it on their desk, MS Office installed, and use it as their personal workstation... Novell made things so much easier Cheers all, Sionnach __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Is this a Mac discussion list? I thought it was... What does all of this have to do with G-Books? Guys, why not take this discussion off-list. Tim On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:17 AM, Sionnach Aisling wrote: --- shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not recommend Microsoft Anti Spyware since it is a hog of the software world, and it caused problems on my home machine and our work servers. If you are going to donload things download Lavasoft Adaware, Shawn, I've got to disagee with you on a bunch of stuff here... but do what works best for you ;-) I will agree that MS is the hog of the software world :-) I spent a great deal of time making sure I didn't have a shred of MS software on one of my old PowerBooks and intended to do away with all my Microsoft stuff on Mac platforms... but then I realized I was living a pipe dream and i basically now use whatever I need to that makes my life easier. As for Microsoft's Anti Spyware messing up your home machine and work servers, I'm sorry to hear that, but it's been the only thing that has been able to restore full interent connectivity on some of our workstations here dependent on an ASP connection. (Spybot and Adaware wouldn't touch it.) Of course, it's a Beta product and I would never, personally, put it on any server (workstations only), but I'll stand behind it as a good and useful product. Comparing the big three (Adaware, Spybot and MS), Adaware is going to have to hit the bottom of my barrel, and, when I'm in a time crunch, I usually just run Spybot and MS and forego Adaware. It used to be my favorite long ago... but now it seems that it finds less and less (other than cookies) and really doens't hepl all that much from a cleaning standpoint... But thats just my opinion. I could go on getting into the whole Symantec Anti-Virus debate, but I'm thinking this whole thread is getting slightly off topic (Mac) so i won't dwell anymore ;-) I can tell you though that we;ve had really good success with MS's Spyware beta here, so next time your in a pinch, as a last resort... revisit it and give it a try. ---david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked about the joys of Novell. Ah... Novell. I miss those days. Got out of that when they jumped from 4 to 5 :-( Have had to deal with Win2000 Server ever since :-( :-( I loved the old days of Novell servers when wary coworkers would glimpse the console prompt and be afraid of even touching the keyboard... not knowing what cryptic Novell command they needed in order to do something... Then came the days of Win NT when every Tom, Dick or Harry decided they could be a Network Admin cause the GUI was just so familiar and friendly!! Isn't that great!!! I can't tell you how many client sites I visit where somebody has setup a Windows Server and has it on their desk, MS Office installed, and use it as their personal workstation... Novell made things so much easier Cheers all, Sionnach __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Real computers
On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Plus, they think the PowerMac 5200 is an accurate representation of Macs in general... Ding! Ding! Ding! Yes, I get this attitude from people that scoff at Macintosh all the time. I politely tell them to have a look at OS X since it's obvious that they aren't familiar with any Apple OS since OS 7. If they can be shown, they're usually pretty impressed. -Dylan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Worse yet, in my school district Macs are remembered by either the still working but unused Apple ][ e (there is one still in the Library) or one working LCIII. On 8 Dec 2005, at 21:09, Dylan McDermond wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Plus, they think the PowerMac 5200 is an accurate representation of Macs in general... Ding! Ding! Ding! Yes, I get this attitude from people that scoff at Macintosh all the time. I politely tell them to have a look at OS X since it's obvious that they aren't familiar with any Apple OS since OS 7. If they can be shown, they're usually pretty impressed. -Dylan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Real computers
At 7:09 PM -0800 12/8/05, Dylan McDermond wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Plus, they think the PowerMac 5200 is an accurate representation of Macs in general... Ding! Ding! Ding! Yes, I get this attitude from people that scoff at Macintosh all the time. I politely tell them to have a look at OS X since it's obvious that they aren't familiar with any Apple OS since OS 7. If they can be shown, they're usually pretty impressed. I've run into a few people that saw a Mac when they came out and weren't impressed then and that is still there idea of what a Mac is. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 9:43 PM -0600 12/8/05, James Sanderson wrote: Worse yet, in my school district Macs are remembered by either the still working but unused Apple ][ e (there is one still in the Library) or one working LCIII. In our school district it's all Mac except for some servers at the District Office. My daughter's school is almost all iMac running OS X.2 (moving to Panther soon). The DO won't allow windows machines to be connected. And fortunately, so far, any move to standardize on Windows has been killed, quickly. AFAIK all the schools are all or mostly Power Macs. There is a plan to be all OS X but no real timetable since money is tight. On 8 Dec 2005, at 21:09, Dylan McDermond wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Plus, they think the PowerMac 5200 is an accurate representation of Macs in general... We got rid of our 5200s years ago. Ding! Ding! Ding! Yes, I get this attitude from people that scoff at Macintosh all the time. I politely tell them to have a look at OS X since it's obvious that they aren't familiar with any Apple OS since OS 7. If they can be shown, they're usually pretty impressed. -Dylan -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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If we're sharing stories, :) I'm still a proud owner and user of an Apple //e (8-bit computer for those of you who came into the Apple crowd after the Mac was introduced.) I obtained a Panasonic laser printer that's HPII compatible (and yes it too is still in use.) I had reason to print out boldface italic on the printer, and regardless of how I configured AppleWorks (the real one, not the ClarisWorks renaming - am I showing a slight bias here? :) ), I couldn't get the laserprinter to print out this combo. I thought this was strange since I could do it on my dot-matrix printer. So I called Panasonic's tech support, and got a gent who first couldn't believe that I was using their products with anything Apple. Then he asked which machine. Nope, totally incompatible. Then he asked what program. Nope--simply won't work. I asked him to please contact the instructor for the class I was taking when I was working on a Master's degree and request that the Instructor return that 12-page paper I had turned in the day before, because obviously I could never have printed it out using the setup I was calling about. Stunned silence. He then asked if I could by chance send a hex dump of a text page. Which I could and did. It took my conversation to break him out of his peecee-only mode and realize that the printer didn't care where it got the proper esc-codes and ascii info from, as long as it was in the proper format. And like I said that computer/printer combo still works fine even now. Oh--and the bold italics? Turns out that that combo was the only one the programmers left out of that printer's ROM and that unlike a DM printer, codes aren't additive, so no bold italic in native print mode. Oh well. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Real computers
--- Barry Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely Windows is better in most situations than DOS, An interesting statement since all Windows versions prior to NT including 98 and ME ran on top of a DOS shell. (Current versions run on top of NT) Stuart - I wouldn't worry over a warranty tampering sticker on the mouse for an instant. I agree... quite a stupid place to put one. Quite frankly, if anything serious happened to the mouse that a cleaning wouldn't fix, it would likely be cheaper to buy a replacement than to send the old one back under warranty for repair. (Faster too ;-) ) As for your virus and spyware issues... Yes, Windows machines are riddled with them. Spyware is becoming an increasingly alarming threat. Macs don't have most of these issues (for now, though I imagine it's coming) but remember that while I agree that Windows machines have faults you don't find on Macs, so is the reverse true. Anyway... a couple pieces that may help you; If the system has become unstable due to Spyware, download and run the big three spyware removers... Spybot Search and Destroy, Adaware by Lavasoft, and Microsoft's Anti-Spyware Beta. All of these utilities are free downloads and can be found with a quick google search. Make sure you update the dat files for each before running them. Each one will find stuff the others won't, though I think the Microsoft one is probably the most robust (from experience). Run all three. Then see how your performance is. Of course... there's a catch 22... to run them, you need to be able to download them and download DATs which a lot of times the Spyware prevents. Beyond that, there are otehr programs like Hijack This and a few others that let you delve into spyware infection at the registry level and try to clean it from there. If you aren't savy with registry modification, I don't recommend this as it is a quick way to break your machine. Usually, when they reach this point, I recommend that the owner back up their data files (including emails and favorites and whatnot), then reinstall teh OS and restore the data. Keep in mind with Spyware, however, it's only a matter of time before it happens again. If your friend is running Windows 2000 or Windows XP, he can prevent Spyware infection dramatically by runnign a secure profile. Otherwise, he's a sitting duck. If you want help with the secure profile thing, email me off list. I recently created a how to document for the staff here at our company and would be happy to share it with you. (It's in Word format.) Sionnach __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Dec 6, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Stuart Saunders wrote: There was an article about a month or so ago where the author, reviewing several different Winders computers wrote 'And we've got work to do, so we can't use a Mac' For this I always refer back to my second favorite Dilbert:http:// www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/eta/doc/dilbert.gif and revel in the sheer bliss that now it means a Mac, too ;-) (also fwiw, pretty much every 'condescending Unix computer user' I know now sports at least a powerbook) -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I do not recommend Microsoft Anti Spyware since it is a hog of the software world, and it caused problems on my home machine and our work servers. If you are going to donload things download Lavasoft Adaware, and also get rid of any norton or Mcafee virus scan and protection and configure windows firewall correctly an download Avast antivirus, our computer has run like a dream since and we have been running those two programs as our main defense for at least 8 months with no crashes or conflicts, or restarts. I would always recommend a Mac above any pc since right now these are not daily headaches. On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Sionnach Aisling wrote: --- Barry Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely Windows is better in most situations than DOS, An interesting statement since all Windows versions prior to NT including 98 and ME ran on top of a DOS shell. (Current versions run on top of NT) Stuart - I wouldn't worry over a warranty tampering sticker on the mouse for an instant. I agree... quite a stupid place to put one. Quite frankly, if anything serious happened to the mouse that a cleaning wouldn't fix, it would likely be cheaper to buy a replacement than to send the old one back under warranty for repair. (Faster too ;-) ) As for your virus and spyware issues... Yes, Windows machines are riddled with them. Spyware is becoming an increasingly alarming threat. Macs don't have most of these issues (for now, though I imagine it's coming) but remember that while I agree that Windows machines have faults you don't find on Macs, so is the reverse true. Anyway... a couple pieces that may help you; If the system has become unstable due to Spyware, download and run the big three spyware removers... Spybot Search and Destroy, Adaware by Lavasoft, and Microsoft's Anti-Spyware Beta. All of these utilities are free downloads and can be found with a quick google search. Make sure you update the dat files for each before running them. Each one will find stuff the others won't, though I think the Microsoft one is probably the most robust (from experience). Run all three. Then see how your performance is. Of course... there's a catch 22... to run them, you need to be able to download them and download DATs which a lot of times the Spyware prevents. Beyond that, there are otehr programs like Hijack This and a few others that let you delve into spyware infection at the registry level and try to clean it from there. If you aren't savy with registry modification, I don't recommend this as it is a quick way to break your machine. Usually, when they reach this point, I recommend that the owner back up their data files (including emails and favorites and whatnot), then reinstall teh OS and restore the data. Keep in mind with Spyware, however, it's only a matter of time before it happens again. If your friend is running Windows 2000 or Windows XP, he can prevent Spyware infection dramatically by runnign a secure profile. Otherwise, he's a sitting duck. If you want help with the secure profile thing, email me off list. I recently created a how to document for the staff here at our company and would be happy to share it with you. (It's in Word format.) Sionnach __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:49 PM, shawn wrote: I do not recommend Microsoft Anti Spyware since it is a hog of the software world, and it caused problems on my home machine and our work servers. I'm with Sionnach, here, all three are the way to go, particularly for badly infested systems. I'll spend four hours cleaning some poor slob's PC up from all the spyware they've got and they'll turn around and ask me why I use a Mac...shakes head I'm beginning to believe the talk about Windows users just not believing us when we say that Macs don't have virus and spyware problems. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I'm beginning to believe the talk about Windows users just not believing us when we say that Macs don't have virus and spyware problems. Until fairly recently I was a member of that rare breed of IT specialist - I was a Mac user. While my compatriots in the business complained about the hassles (and risks) of installing security patches on their WinServers I talked about the joys of Novell. While they complained about viruses, malware, and security patches for their users Windows computers, I talked up the Mac. It did no good. These men and woman were, for the most part, trained from day one in colleges, tech schools, and universities that were deeply in bed with Microsoft. They had no experience with any OS other than Microsoft because their training included nothing but Microsoft software. From their (very limited) experience software was buggy and operating systems had security holes. My talk about better server software and better operating systems fell on deaf ears because they couldn't conceive of any other state of affairs. So you are right. Win users don't believe us. They can't conceive of anything else. I enjoy doing really mean things like showing them the uptime of my server and notebook. It really boggles their minds to see that I've not rebooted my computer in over a month or that my server has been up for over 180 days. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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David, Thanks for your story. I talk to other IT people at the bus stop in the morning on the way to work. I get some of the same looks. I actually got one of them to admit that they knew Apple was better, but that Microsoft equaled Job Security. They were grateful that Microsoft was full of Bugs, Viruses, and Spyware, because it kept them employed. Too Funny. -- Aaron Willems IT Administrator Lieberman Productions From: david [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:39:04 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: Real computers On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I'm beginning to believe the talk about Windows users just not believing us when we say that Macs don't have virus and spyware problems. Until fairly recently I was a member of that rare breed of IT specialist - I was a Mac user. While my compatriots in the business complained about the hassles (and risks) of installing security patches on their WinServers I talked about the joys of Novell. While they complained about viruses, malware, and security patches for their users Windows computers, I talked up the Mac. It did no good. These men and woman were, for the most part, trained from day one in colleges, tech schools, and universities that were deeply in bed with Microsoft. They had no experience with any OS other than Microsoft because their training included nothing but Microsoft software. From their (very limited) experience software was buggy and operating systems had security holes. My talk about better server software and better operating systems fell on deaf ears because they couldn't conceive of any other state of affairs. So you are right. Win users don't believe us. They can't conceive of anything else. I enjoy doing really mean things like showing them the uptime of my server and notebook. It really boggles their minds to see that I've not rebooted my computer in over a month or that my server has been up for over 180 days. david -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 2:05 PM -0700 12/7/05, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:49 PM, shawn wrote: I do not recommend Microsoft Anti Spyware since it is a hog of the software world, and it caused problems on my home machine and our work servers. I'm with Sionnach, here, all three are the way to go, particularly for badly infested systems. I'll spend four hours cleaning some poor slob's PC up from all the spyware they've got and they'll turn around and ask me why I use a Mac...shakes head Tell them you can't afford to pay yourself how much it costs to clean it out. I'm beginning to believe the talk about Windows users just not believing us when we say that Macs don't have virus and spyware problems. And they are easy to use and they don't crash and... Of course they don't believe us. It's like telling someone that only knows about mopeds about a Ferrari doing 200MPH. From their point of view it's inconceivable (with apologies to Wallace Shawn). -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I'll spend four hours cleaning some poor slob's PC up from all the spyware they've got and they'll turn around and ask me why I use a Mac...shakes head I know that feeling all too well. My little sister does that all the time, as well as several of my teachers, friends, etc... The only teacher on the network that hasn't had to call IT to fix anything is the Audio-Visual Technology teacher, and he uses a PowerMac G5 and an iMac G5. Plus, they think the PowerMac 5200 is an accurate representation of Macs in general... Caleb -- Fighting the Windoze plague since April 2005... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:04 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: For this I always refer back to my second favorite Dilbert:http:// www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/eta/doc/dilbert.gif and revel in the sheer bliss that now it means a Mac, too ;-) (also fwiw, pretty much every 'condescending Unix computer user' I know now sports at least a powerbook) WOW! That's an old one! I think I had a NeXT when that came out. I remember my brother clipping that out and giving it to me. Still love it. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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There was an article about a month or so ago where the author, reviewing several different Winders computers wrote 'And we've got work to do, so we can't use a Mac' Never let the truth interfere with a good story. If the truth be known; Just now trying to debug a windows box for a friend. Had heaps of viruses, (380 odd) including one (I think) that made the cursor jump over all the buttons so you could not click on them. Eventually got the viruses out, now still has spyware - and any time you click on a search for 'spyware remover' the browser crashes Now computer has crashed hard, looks like I need to reinstall system. The mouse on this thing has a 'warranty will be voided if broken' sticker over the plate that unscrews on the mouse bottom to let you clean the rollers. So you can't clean the rollers. They expect you to send it in for service - On 07/12/2005, at 3:30 AM, G-Books wrote: THe other thing that could be done with a tech person who says you need to use a real computer -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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--- Stuart Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an article about a month or so ago where the author, reviewing several different Winders computers wrote 'And we've got work to do, so we can't use a Mac' Well, they meant we got money to make, and as we get payed by the hour, so we can't use a Mac. Surely Windows is better in most situations than DOS, but the comment you quote reminds me of something I ran into years ago working in the commercial Nuclear industry. I had some spreadsheet work to do and the tool available in the office was Lotus 123. After struggling along for hours I told my boss I'd be done in minutes if I could use my Mac (at that time a Mac Plus). The IT folks were worried that I'd create a data island if I used Excel on the Mac. The short of it was that I brought my Mac to work, did the job(s) in short order and saved the spreadsheets as wk1 files (a Lotus 123 format for you young whipper-snappers ;-) ). No, I didn't win any converts that I know of, but using my real computer saved a lot of time and certainly aggravation on my part - and the IT guys learned something new too. Barry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
