Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Peter: You've lived an awesome life man, I'm envious! Is there any copy of SPSS around in the open-source for Mac? Michael J. Cangelosi == Alliance for Aging Research 2021 K St. NW STE 305 Washington DC 20006 202.293.2856 == -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Webster Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:58 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules] On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael It took a lot of ambitious Type A personalities to put that together. I was an academic hanger-on (I think that's what the then-gov., someone dufus named Reagan, called people like me). I was happy to go home, every evening, to the Haight, smoke dope, and write stories. Those guys went on to the U of Chicago as part of carefully negotiated career moves; I think the computer stuff was really secondary to their ambitions. Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 10, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: You've lived an awesome life man, I'm envious! Is there any copy of SPSS around in the open-source for Mac? SPSS is a commercial product http://www.spss.com There's R http://www.r-project.org/, and here's a bunch of OSS stuff http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu/micah_altman/socsci.shtml -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael J. Cangelosi == Alliance for Aging Research 2021 K St. NW STE 305 Washington DC 20006 202.293.2856 == -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael It took a lot of ambitious Type A personalities to put that together. I was an academic hanger-on (I think that's what the then-gov., someone dufus named Reagan, called people like me). I was happy to go home, every evening, to the Haight, smoke dope, and write stories. Those guys went on to the U of Chicago as part of carefully negotiated career moves; I think the computer stuff was really secondary to their ambitions. Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 10:32 AM -0500 02/03/2006, Kurt Cypher wrote: yes, there are lazy programmers out there I miss the days of hauling three racks of cards up and down two flights of stairs, from my desk to the machine room and back, each time I had a run to do. It kept us codespinners in good shape! Of course, we had to be careful. We had to get someone to check the stairwell first - because if we got caught carrying more than one box (1/3 rack) then the labor union would hit us with a grievance for not using a Mover... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I have to disagree. It's not laziness - it's incompetence. Back in the day, programmers were Engineers - they actually had 4 or 6 year Computer Science educations from college. They actually knew how to design or select efficient algorithms. Except for a few, these days, programming is mostly a job-shop situation, populated by geek-wannabees that have no clue how to even open a book. If they have a 2 year degree, it's amazing. And the chances of even those having ever cracked open a copy of Knuth[*] is near Zero. [*] The Art of Computer Programming, a multi-volume book set by Don Knuth. The true bible of codespinning. - Dan. //You used a bubble sort for what?// -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 6, 2006, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I have to disagree. It's not laziness - it's incompetence. Back in the day, programmers were Engineers - they actually had 4 or 6 year Computer Science educations from college. They actually knew how to design or select efficient algorithms. And back in the day, 99% of them never had to deal with a GUI, or were even thinking of doing something on the order of Photoshop. Efficient algorithms are SUCH a tiny part of programming todays applications that it's not even funny. Blaming it on incompetence is merely the lazy way out...software is a LOT more complex today than it was in the day...if you don't think so, feel free to go back to using an Apple II for your day to day use, and see how far you get. Me, I'm glad we have the BFH programs of today...they let me do *my* job more efficiently, which is vastly more important than letting my computer do it's job more efficiently. Buying more hardware to do that is not even a problem. Hardware is cheap and amortizable. Human capital isn't. This isn't an excuse for sloppy programming or feature creep, both of which are huge factors in why Office is now 300MB instead of 300KB, but there's also the fact that 300MB today costs a fraction of what 300K did then. They concentrated on efficiency then, because they had to. ALL engineering is constrained by one simple adage: Fast, Cheap, Good: choose any two with the Jobs corollary Real Programmers Ship. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 6:04 AM +1100 02/07/2006, Geoffrey Peters wrote: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. //You used a bubble sort for what?// ... and mention hashing to any of these young jackanapes and they think you're an old stoner who hasn't let go yet ;) I was interviewing a consultant. He was bragging about using a bubble on the indices to a database of over 6m elements. I gave him a big thumbs down - and the company hired him anyway. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Stardate 060206.17:19 -0500. A subspace message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] reads: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. Depends on what you do. OSX Finder sucks mouldy goat-sacks through a small straw ... which is why I'm still in MacOS 8.6 about 70% of the time ... which is why my main Mac is still a platinum G3/300. if it ain't broke, don't fix it :) (Mind you, I miss my old PowerCenter, it was quite nice being able to run System 7.6.1 at 450 MHz ... alas, the MESH chip died.) I was interviewing a consultant. He was bragging about using a bubble on the indices to a database of over 6m elements. I gave him a big thumbs down - and the company hired him anyway. Let me guess, he also convinced them that ASP was a Very Good Move ;) Geoffrey -- -- Endian Little Hate I --- -- I'm afraid music in the modern idiom is too repetitive for my tastes ... although the rhythm does have a certain hypnotic effect. -- Brains (International Rescue Engineer, 'Thunderbirds' (c) Gerry Anderson 1969) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Hated keying those cards; probably two bad ones for every one that came out right. Big IBM 360/67 in a building the size of gymnasium. One day, I loaded a stack in, went into the snack bar, put in change for a coke, pushed the button and the whole bloody system crashed. I was almost convinced I'd caused it. When the system was up again, at least a week later, all our data was interspersed with data from the Stanford Hospital... Sat through hours of classes in Fortran IV. The project finally moved on to the University of Chicago; I was invited to go, too, but then I watched the riots at the Chicago Democratic Convention and decided that was one of the last places I wanted to go. Never touched another computer until I got my hands on my sister's Mac Classic. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II floppy, and then migrated to the IBM versions. Your legacy lives on. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
I have a friend at Portland State, and she used it for a class. Almost dropped her teeth when I told her I'd worked on the original. Ugh: scattergraphs! On Feb 6, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Howard Katz wrote: We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II floppy, and then migrated to the IBM versions. Your legacy lives on. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Once upon a time (Fri Feb 03), phoenix wrote: It's unfortunate that AOL and the advent of free webmail (which almost always has lazy users top-posting and including /everything/ in the previous message) have utterly destroyed what was once a far more pleasant means of communication, but once things start sliding down a greased shit-chute to hell, there's no stopping it... Ah... I still remember that fateful day when AOL (always mis-remembered it as Prodigy until I just googled it) unleashed its unwashed masses onto Usenet ... into alt.best.of.internet. Oh, the uproar. The cabal was not happy! Larry -- Lawrence Weeks[EMAIL PROTECTED] Anabasis Consulting Ltd -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On Feb 3, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Tim Collier wrote: I have broadband cable.doesn't cost me anything other than what I pay monthly. For that matter, I haven't seen any ISP's that charge by the minute lately..what, in years? Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2) From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. And we sometimes see footer after footer after footer. For some folks, that takes time on line, which costs real money. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. Exterminate all rational thought. So much for bottom posting, eh? THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. This is the type that I usually just ignore and go on to the next one that top posted. I think we need to put this to a vote. Tim Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On 2/3/06, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So much for bottom posting, eh? THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. This is the type that I usually just ignore and go on to the next one that top posted. I think we need to put this to a vote. Tim This is all silly and wastesful.. It's very simple, just do it and move on with the topic of G-Books. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
Tim Collier wrote: THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. This is the type that I usually just ignore and go on to the next one that top posted. I think we need to put this to a vote. I vote that Tim learn to delete all unnecessary text when he replies to an e-mail. Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06, phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. In a previous life as a programmer, any bloat in the apps we were writing was caused less by Lazy Programmers, and more by impossibly tight deadlines (as well as the aforementioned feature creep, both caused by a project manager who just couldn't comprehend the fact that if a customer request was not in the original specs for the project, he was allowed to say no. His favorite line, whenever one of us would point out the feature creep and deadline issues was it's not rocket science (his background was actually in rocket science). To this day, I wish I would've turned to him and said you're right, it's not rocket science, it's computer science, good thing you hired programmers instead of aeronautical engineers. Fortunately for my employment status at the time, I resisted that urge. My point is that yes, there are lazy programmers out there (I've worked with some of them), but unfortunately, a lot of times the programmers are forced to take shortcuts that cause bloat, merely because they have no choice. Someone much higher then themselves in the chain of command has decreed that the app will ship on a specific date, and it's their job to put something together that is basically functional to ship on time, and then keep working on the first update pack to fix all the bugs you already know about, as well as all the bugs that the users will undoubtedly find. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: My point is that yes, there are lazy programmers out there (I've worked with some of them), but unfortunately, a lot of times the programmers are forced to take shortcuts that cause bloat, merely because they have no choice. Someone much higher then themselves in the chain of command has decreed that the app will ship on a specific date, and it's their job to put something together that is basically functional to ship on time, and then keep working on the first update pack to fix all the bugs you already know about, as well as all the bugs that the users will undoubtedly find. Kurt Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
All of that takes several actions and time. I am active on many lists, and if bottom posting is preferred, it would be simpler if there were a way to make that the default. Well, under Options in Outlook Express 5.06 there is a radio button where you can select whether your reply will be typed in front or after the quoted text. This oughta be possilbe in every decent mail program, oughtn't it? Udo -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt I think rushing is it. It's all about how much we can sell this quarter. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
Tim Collier writes: THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. It's only a waste of time when the previous poster leaves *ALL* of the quoted text in place. Quote only what you need, dump the rest. The post you're reading right now is at least as readable as any you will ever read. Doesn't AOL offer free classes in this stuff by now? cheers, A.J. -- Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting -- Steve McQueen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: I don't see any way to set Mac Mail to do this by default. Am I missing something? Hmmm, that might be a problem. I checked myself (I'm using Entourage) and I couldn't find any way to set Mail to bottom post when replying. So, as such, I asked the List Mom about this and will let the list know what we will do about it. Alas, there's no way to do it, however, you can simply select what you want to quote, getting rid of all the excess verbiage (as I just did), then do ONE FREAKIN' MOUSE CLICK to position the cursor in the right place. That too much? Control-down arrow takes you to the end of the message. If that's too much work, then perhaps you're not thinking hard enough about your reply. to steal the old This Old House adage: Think twice, post once ... this will smooth a lot of bumps out of the road. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:31 AM, MorningAJ wrote: Tim Collier writes: THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. It's only a waste of time when the previous poster leaves *ALL* of the quoted text in place. Quote only what you need, dump the rest. The post you're reading right now is at least as readable as any you will ever read. Doesn't AOL offer free classes in this stuff by now? I read this AM that AOL will start charging mailing list owners for content sent to their list members- if you aren't whitelisted, it will not be delivered. Other big mail services (yahoo etc) should follow. mailing list is a little vague but it mentions specifically enabling/disabling HTML links,etc, which content makes up 80% of 90% of the body in posts on the LEMlists (long footers). B http://www.clickz.com/news/article.php/3581301 AOL announced on January 30 that it will phase out its Enhanced Whitelist service in June in favour of Goodmail CertifiedEmail, which carries an as yet unspecified per-message fee. Until now, a mailing list gets on the AOL whitelist by following good e-mail practices, such as cleaning up dead addresses, making it easy for people to leave mailing lists, and of course not sending any spam. This is all going to be thrown out the window and replaced with the payment of hard currency to Goodmail. People who can afford to pay this fee will have the privilege of reaching AOL subscribers, others will end up in junk folders. Yahoo is expected to follow down the same path. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
My reply follows quote. On 2/3/06, at 5:53 AM -0500, Tim Collier wrote: THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw (snip) go on to the next one that top posted. I think we need to put this to a vote. I've been a list nanny since we started having nannies, and on one of the oldest lists, the quadlist. The lists are not a democracy. There is no voting. If you don't like following rules meant for the good of all, unsubscribe. It's not a dictatorship either. That said, there have always been people who top-posted. It's a pain. Courtesy to aid effective communication is the object here. Just as we DON'T POST IN ALL CAPS we have a number of other conventions to extend courtesy as we wish it extended to us. The top posting rules is a lot older than a year. (snip) ing long quotes to the minimum is another courtesy. But, Tim has put his finger on it. If we don't use the rules effectively, people will not read our thoughts. The delete key is a lot easier than scrolling through a lot of repetative junk. I'd suggest a look-see at the list rules (http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/rules.html) or I'll be glad to send them to you by e-mail. -- HTH Paul (pjspop @ bresnan.net) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2006, Tim Collier wrote: On Feb 3, 2006, at 1:55 AM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: [snip] So much for bottom posting, eh? THIS is the reason I don't like bottom posting. When I first saw this in preview, all I see is different replies. Having to go to the area and scroll down to read six words is really silly and wasteful of everybody's time. This is the type that I usually just ignore and go on to the next one that top posted. I think we need to put this to a vote. My appologies to this list and to you, Tim. Caught me at a bad moment. -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06 10:46 AM, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. The testing phase - you mean that period after the application has been given to the customer, right? evil grin I look back on my days as a programmer and miss them not at all. Today I get home at a regular hour, don't have an incompetent looking over my shoulder, and don't have to deal with clients who caused their own headaches. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. There is already the customary -- marker which most email clients will honor but for some reasons, I see way too many posts that quote the entire message they're replying to, including the footer. Please, be considerate to other list members. -Laurent, G-Books list nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Laurent Daudelin writes: I would like to remind everybody that one of the rule on LEM lists is that when you reply to a message, you quote only the most relevant parts and please, only bottom post, NO top posting. *hangs head in shame* Sorry. My #1 gripe on any list I've ever admin'd, and then I go and... Gah. As long as I'm wasting bandwidth here, anyone have a shop to recommend for repairs/upgrades on a Lombard and/or Pismo? I'd seen somewhere that G4 upgrades were available, and I wouldn't mind maxing-out my two Blackbooks. Also -- I have an old 520c Blackbird in my basement, sans hard-drive. Worth the effort to find a new drive for her and use it, or better to donate to some kid somewhere? I love old machines, wouldn't mind using it on the road, but I'd need some kind of connectivity with it. cheers, A.J. -- Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting -- Steve McQueen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2) From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. And we sometimes see footer after footer after footer. For some folks, that takes time on line, which costs real money. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Folks, I would like to remind everybody that one of the rule on LEM lists is that when you reply to a message, you quote only the most relevant parts and please, only bottom post, NO top posting. I know that a lot of email clients default to top posting when replying but, please, change it. I am not going to start a debate about which one is better. Suffice is to say that when you signed up on G-Books, you did agree to bind by the rules and this is one of those rules. Thank you in advance for your collaboration. -Laurent, G-Books list nanny. Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
I have broadband cable.doesn't cost me anything other than what I pay monthly. For that matter, I haven't seen any ISP's that charge by the minute lately..what, in years? Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2) From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. And we sometimes see footer after footer after footer. For some folks, that takes time on line, which costs real money. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On 2-Feb-06, at 4:55 PM, Tim Collier wrote: oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Tim Actually Tim, these rules have been in existence for at least a year. As Laurent said in his first note, they are not up for debate. If you are not willing or able to follow them, you might as well unsubscribe from this list too. Amber Robey G-Books List Manager -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Tim Collier wrote: I have broadband cable.doesn't cost me anything other than what I pay monthly. For that matter, I haven't seen any ISP's that charge by the minute lately..what, in years? On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, G-Books wrote: I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. And we sometimes see footer after footer after footer. For some folks, that takes time on line, which costs real money. Al Poulin I too am on cable, as well as being on several other lists. The point in having simple rules like: deleting all but the most relevant portions of the message we are replying to is just common courtesy. So that the reader will not have to plow through all that unnecessary verbiage. Just leave enough information so the topic is understood. My time is important, so the easier we make it for others to follow the line of though between messages the better. The reason for requesting the reply follow the repeated portion of the thread is so the reader will know what the message relates to. Then they will know if they wish to read any further. Another reason is so the format of each reply to a message is consistent therefore making reading dozens of them easier. Have a great day, Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
on 02/02/06 19:55, Tim Collier at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Sorry Tim, these are the rules and we've been asked to enforce them. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nethack: /net'hak/ n. [Unix] A dungeon game similar to rogue but more elaborate, distributed in C source over Usenet and very popular at Unix sites and on PC-class machines (nethack is probably the most widely distributed of the freeware dungeon games). The earliest versions, written by Jay Fenlason and later considerably enhanced by Andries Brouwer, were simply called `hack'. The name changed when maintenance was taken over by a group of hackers originally organized by Mike Stephenson. There is now an official site one at `http://www.nethack.org/'. See also moria, rogue, Angband. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Woody Duncan wrote: The reason for requesting the reply follow the repeated portion of the thread is so the reader will know what the message relates to. Then they will know if they wish to read any further. Another reason is so the format of each reply to a message is consistent therefore making reading dozens of them easier. Have a great day, Woody I don't see any way to set Mac Mail to do this by default. Am I missing something? Regards, Harry Corsover = Feel better, look younger, live longer and make more money with Synergy Worldwide: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]303-909-9218 www.harryc.biz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On 2/2/06 7:55 PM, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Tim Tim - you might as well face it. These lists are informative but run by inflexible tin pots. You accept it or move on. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Tim: You were not forced to quit the iMac list. They will not ban folks for top posting. I usually bottom post or interleave. But here I am top posting because it makes no sense to bottom post a top-posted e-mail. On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:46 PM, G-Books wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:55:12 -0500 oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Folks, I would like to remind everybody that one of the rule on LEM lists is that when you reply to a message, you quote only the most relevant parts and please, only bottom post, NO top posting. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Woody wrote: The reason for requesting the reply follow the repeated portion of the thread is so the reader will know what the message relates to. Then they will know if they wish to read any further. Another reason is so the format of each reply to a message is consistent therefore making reading dozens of them easier. Harry Corsover wrote: I don't see any way to set Mac Mail to do this by default. Am I missing something? Most people know how to highlight text, hit delete, move the courser and type information into a new location. Why would you need to set your e-mail program to reply to any message. Am I missing something, Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Let admit it, they just want to re-invent the wheel and make a different on whose on top and below. Problem is almost all email programs make as default, posting on top!!! But we can abide and violate once in a while. Perhaps we can call this freedom of style Clem On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:30 PM, Al Poulin wrote: Tim: You were not forced to quit the iMac list. They will not ban folks for top posting. I usually bottom post or interleave. But here I am top posting because it makes no sense to bottom post a top-posted e-mail. On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:46 PM, G-Books wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:55:12 -0500 oy! Are we going to start up with this here? I un-subscribed from the iMac list because of it. Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: Folks, I would like to remind everybody that one of the rule on LEM lists is that when you reply to a message, you quote only the most relevant parts and please, only bottom post, NO top posting. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
on 02/02/06 21:13, Harry Corsover at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:03 PM, Woody Duncan wrote: The reason for requesting the reply follow the repeated portion of the thread is so the reader will know what the message relates to. Then they will know if they wish to read any further. Another reason is so the format of each reply to a message is consistent therefore making reading dozens of them easier. Have a great day, Woody I don't see any way to set Mac Mail to do this by default. Am I missing something? Hmmm, that might be a problem. I checked myself (I'm using Entourage) and I couldn't find any way to set Mail to bottom post when replying. So, as such, I asked the List Mom about this and will let the list know what we will do about it. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] programming fluid: n. 1. Coffee. 2. Cola. 3. Any caffeinacious stimulant. Many hackers consider these essential for those all-night hacking runs. See wirewater. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On Thursday 02 February 2006 20:44, CG Bacani wrote: Let admit it, they just want to re-invent the wheel and make a different on whose on top and below. Problem is almost all email programs make as default, posting on top!!! Actually, my two preferred mail programs, Mozilla Thunderbird and KMail both have it set to post on bottom default. Of course, Thunderbird is painfully slow on OS X, and KMail is Linux/Solaris only, but the point is that some good programs are list-friendly. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Quoth CG Bacani : Let admit it, they just want to re-invent the wheel and make a different on whose on top and below. Problem is almost all email programs make as default, posting on top!!! But we can abide and violate once in a while. Perhaps we can call this freedom of style From RFC 1855: http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3 If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! I don't see anyone trying to reinvent the wheel, so much as adhere to proper standards for email communication which were spelled out years ago. It's unfortunate that AOL and the advent of free webmail (which almost always has lazy users top-posting and including /everything/ in the previous message) have utterly destroyed what was once a far more pleasant means of communication, but once things start sliding down a greased shit-chute to hell, there's no stopping it... Cheers, A.J. -- I can't go to school cuz I ain't got a gun I ain't got a gun cuz I ain't got a job I ain't got a job cuz I can't go to school So I'm looking for a girl with a gun and a job (And a house. With cable...) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Woody Duncan wrote: Most people know how to highlight text, hit delete, move the courser and type information into a new location. Why would you need to set your e-mail program to reply to any message. Am I missing something, Woody In case you're being serious and not sarcastic: All of that takes several actions and time. I am active on many lists, and if bottom posting is preferred, it would be simpler if there were a way to make that the default. A few extra steps times many replies equals an amount of time that adds up as well as extra repetitive strain... I haven't used Automator, since each time I've wanted to it didn't seem to do what I was wanting. Can it do something like hit the down arrow twice, hit delete, then Cmd-down arrow (to go to the bottom of the text) and then Return? Regards, Harry Corsover = Feel better, look younger, live longer and make more money with Synergy Worldwide: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]303-909-9218 www.harryc.biz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Quoth Woody Duncan : Most people know how to highlight text, hit delete, move the courser and type information into a new location. Why would you need to set your e-mail program to reply to any message. Am I missing something, Woody Woody, Retired in Albuquerque But, that's so much work... Am I the only person who can recall when sending e-mail meant typing one line at a time on a green-screen and having to remember to hit a CR at the end of each line? THAT was work! And... I'm at least another 30 years away from retirement, myself [grins] I feel kinda' bad now, as my errant top-post earlier seems to be what started all of this. My apologies to everyone -- even the fascists out there. Cheers, A.J. -- Yeah, we rocked the vote all right; those little bastards betrayed us again. -- Hunter S. Thompson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:41 PM, phoenix wrote: But, that's so much work... Am I the only person who can recall when sending e-mail meant typing one line at a time on a green-screen and having to remember to hit a CR at the end of each line? THAT was work! And... I'm at least another 30 years away from retirement, myself [grins] No I remember those days and I am only thirty. Now gopher was a pain. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules
Peter Apockotos wrote: No I remember those days and I am only thirty. Now gopher was a pain. Archie and Gopher - great tools in their day but thankfully those days are long gone. I almost remember setting up uucp to get my first emails (excluding bbs mail of course) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
[OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
on 02/02/06 23:33, Michael A. Howard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Apockotos wrote: No I remember those days and I am only thirty. Now gopher was a pain. Archie and Gopher - great tools in their day but thankfully those days are long gone. I almost remember setting up uucp to get my first emails (excluding bbs mail of course) For those that are a little nostalgic of these old times, I just found out an unbelievable fun to use application for OS X. It's called GLTerminal. GLTerminal emulates a 1970¹s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber. It is incredibly well done! You can download it here: http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/ -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mandelbug: /man'del-buhg/ n. [from the Mandelbrot set] A bug whose underlying causes are so complex and obscure as to make its behavior appear chaotic or even non-deterministic. This term implies that the speaker thinks it is a Bohr bug, rather than a heisenbug. See also schroedinbug. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: For those that are a little nostalgic of these old times, I just found out an unbelievable fun to use application for OS X. It's called GLTerminal. GLTerminal emulates a 1970¹s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber. It is incredibly well done! You can download it here: http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/ -Laurent. Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. A lot easier, faster and different methods to do the same things. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well, I'll agree there. Add in the fact that we use word processors that take up tens and hundreds of megabytes of hard disk space, when Word 5 would do almost everything the new stuff does, in only 2 MB, and with only 1 MB of RAM usage. Maybe we should all go back to the old ways of using assembly code to write software.. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well, I'll agree there. Add in the fact that we use word processors that take up tens and hundreds of megabytes of hard disk space, when Word 5 would do almost everything the new stuff does, in only 2 MB, and with only 1 MB of RAM usage. Maybe we should all go back to the old ways of using assembly code to write software.. Caleb The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Thursday 02 February 2006 23:00, Peter Apockotos wrote: The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with 192 MB of RAM on my 190 running OS 7.5.3 and only 24 MB of RAM. Is it just me, or did that jump from a 68LC040/33 to a G3/400 not make all that much difference in my computer usage? Bloat is taking over the world, a day at a time. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Quoth Caleb Cupples : The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with 192 MB of RAM on my 190 running OS 7.5.3 and only 24 MB of RAM. Is it just me, or did that jump from a 68LC040/33 to a G3/400 not make all that much difference in my computer usage? Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I'd use the old days of DOS as an example, but that's just too far OT for me. Someone else mentioned MS Word, though, and that's a perfect example of bloat: Quite possibly the most seamless and perfect program I've ever used on any platform was Word 5.1. For Mac or Windows, it was smooth, worked great, did absolutely everything I could ever want a word processor to do, and never choked on me. Then 6.0 came out. It's been a downhill slide ever since. Cheers, A.J. -- If the terrorists can make us change our way of life then they will have won. -- George W. Bush, in a moment of irony -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2)
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Tim Collier wrote: I have broadband cable.doesn't cost me anything other than what I pay monthly. For that matter, I haven't seen any ISP's that charge by the minute lately..what, in years? Tim On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:21 PM, G-Books wrote: Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:56:48 -0500 Subject: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules (2) From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to mention that when quoting, you should NEVER include the info footer that is added to every message. And we sometimes see footer after footer after footer. For some folks, that takes time on line, which costs real money. Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. Exterminate all rational thought. So much for bottom posting, eh? -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
