Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT
The more I stumble along the more frustrated I get, I have concluded that the Power Manager circuitry in my Pismo is, in fact, defective. So I have decided to stay sleepless until it's convenient for me to live without the laptop while it's repaired. Having made that decision, I went to restore my hard drive using the DVD disks I built with .Mac Backup and guess what? THEY WON'T RESTORE! Tell Backup to restore from CD/DVD and the application says to insert the Master disk which it states should be the last one made when the backup was generated. There were only 2 DVDs built when I did the backup and it doesn't matter which one I put in the drive, the application just sits there spinning it's wheels while I shuffle DVDs in and out of the drive. I originally built the DVDs by placing the laptop in Target Disk mode on my G4 machine so I could burn the backup DVDs with my Superdrive on that machine. It appeared to work like a charm, but the recovery doesn't. Am I going to have to place the laptop back in Target Disk in order to recover? Stay tuned boys and girls, the saga continues Joe Ellis ___ If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers - Original Message - From: Joseph Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT Still no joy. The procedure outlined before doesn't work. Resetting PRAM has not affected the problem and booting into OS 9 doesn't work. It would appear I have a defective power manager circuit. So now what? Live with it for now I guess. On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 01:01 PM, Joe Ellis wrote: Thanks for the suggestion, will give it shot this evening. BTW where do you live? Joe Ellis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT have you tried resetting the Open Firmware?? The process for doing this is as follows: 1. swear off any revenge against me if your computer dies completely, self-destructs, or catcches fire. 2. startup, holding down Apple+Opt+O+F (Open Firmware) 3. Type: reset-nvram (then hit return) 4 You should get an OK 5. Type: reset-all (then hit return) 6 Type: reboot that should do it. Thanks, -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT
On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 08:55 AM, Joe Ellis wrote: The more I stumble along the more frustrated I get, I have concluded that the Power Manager circuitry in my Pismo is, in fact, defective. So I have decided to stay sleepless until it's convenient for me to live without the laptop while it's repaired. Having made that decision, I went to restore my hard drive using the DVD disks I built with .Mac Backup and guess what? THEY WON'T RESTORE! Tell Backup to restore from CD/DVD and the application says to insert the Master disk which it states should be the last one made when the backup was generated. There were only 2 DVDs built when I did the backup and it doesn't matter which one I put in the drive, the application just sits there spinning it's wheels while I shuffle DVDs in and out of the drive. I originally built the DVDs by placing the laptop in Target Disk mode on my G4 machine so I could burn the backup DVDs with my Superdrive on that machine. It appeared to work like a charm, but the recovery doesn't. Am I going to have to place the laptop back in Target Disk in order to recover? Stay tuned boys and girls, the saga continues That's what I'd definitely try next. Dunno if it'll work, though. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
on 9/30/02 6:01 PM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone mention that Appletalk has to be turned off in order to go to sleep properly? I don't know but AppleTalk is definitely ON when my Pismo goes to sleep and I don't have any problem. The only problem with leaving AppleTalk on when sleeping is that it takes soo much longer to wake from sleep with it on, than with it off. I believe it was you, Laurent, that told me this (on NTLK?) a while ago. :-) It is a small trick that I like to take advantage of. -- Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes the majority only means that all the fools are on the same side. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
on 01/10/02 02:50, Jon Glass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/30/02 6:01 PM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone mention that Appletalk has to be turned off in order to go to sleep properly? I don't know but AppleTalk is definitely ON when my Pismo goes to sleep and I don't have any problem. The only problem with leaving AppleTalk on when sleeping is that it takes soo much longer to wake from sleep with it on, than with it off. I believe it was you, Laurent, that told me this (on NTLK?) a while ago. :-) It is a small trick that I like to take advantage of. Maybe I told you. Under OS X, however, there is absolutely no delay to wake up from sleep even with AppleTalk on. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/RV: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] firebottle n.obs.: A large, primitive, power-hungry active electrical device, similar in function to a FET but constructed out of glass, metal, and vacuum. Characterized by high cost, low density, low reliability, high-temperature operation, and high power dissipation. Sometimes mistakenly called a `tube' in the U.S. or a `valve' in England; another hackish term is glassfet. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT
Well last night I took the plunge and decided to re-install OS X to see if it would correct my sleepless Pismo. First I tried to do an Archive and Install. While the installation went off without a problem, I still had a sleepless machine after all that! S, decided to roll out the big guns, backed everything up to my external firewire drive and did a full clean install, interestingly when I completed the initial install of Jaguar and I completed entering my baseline information, name, address, .mac account data, etc. it immediately launched software update and told me it wanted to install 10.2.1, iTunes 3.01, and the security update. I let that proceed and after completion I presume I now have (before reloading backups) a clean system with the latest updates. BUT THE MACHINE IS STILL SLEEPLESS! Use the menu item, screen blanks then lights up again, close the lid, the backlight goes out and the sleep light pulses; but I can hear the hard drive cycling. I opened the process viewer but I'm not sure that it can help. Rather than list them all, it says there are 32 processes running. Perhaps someone else could check their machine and see if the number correlates to theirs. I did have a Bluetooth adapter and a wireless mouse plugged into the USB ports, but I unplugged them and still have the problem. I am now officially at the bottom of my bag of tricks, anyone got a suggestion? Joe Ellis Electric Boat Corp. ___ If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? - Will Rogers -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
on 10/1/02 9:18 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I told you. Under OS X, however, there is absolutely no delay to wake up from sleep even with AppleTalk on. Oh, sorry, I'm thinking 9... -- Jon Glass Krakow, Poland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. -- Samuel Adams -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
on 01/10/02 09:12, Jon Glass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 10/1/02 9:18 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I told you. Under OS X, however, there is absolutely no delay to wake up from sleep even with AppleTalk on. Oh, sorry, I'm thinking 9... 9 will take several seconds to wake up if AppleTalk is on. Before I switched full time to OS X, I had to keep AppleTalk off all the time and turn it only when I really needed it, like printing to my LaserWriter. All the other time, it was off because that wake up delay was really annoying... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/RV: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] FUBAR n.: The Failed UniBus Address Register in a VAX. A good example of how jargon can occasionally be snuck past the suits; see foobar, and foo for a fuller etymology. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive still sleepless in CT
In a message dated 10/1/02 8:57:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well last night I took the plunge and decided to re-install OS X to see if it would correct my sleepless Pismo. First I tried to do an Archive and Install. While the installation went off without a problem, I still had a sleepless machine after all that! S, decided to roll out the big guns, backed everything up to my external firewire drive and did a full clean install, interestingly when I completed the initial install of Jaguar and I completed entering my baseline information, name, address, .mac account data, etc. it immediately launched software update and told me it wanted to install 10.2.1, iTunes 3.01, and the security update. I let that proceed and after completion I presume I now have (before reloading backups) a clean system with the latest updates. BUT THE MACHINE IS STILL SLEEPLESS! Use the menu item, screen blanks then lights up again, close the lid, the backlight goes out and the sleep light pulses; but I can hear the hard drive cycling. I opened the process viewer but I'm not sure that it can help. Rather than list them all, it says there are 32 processes running. Perhaps someone else could check their machine and see if the number correlates to theirs. I did have a Bluetooth adapter and a wireless mouse plugged into the USB ports, but I unplugged them and still have the problem. I am now officially at the bottom of my bag of tricks, anyone got a suggestion? Joe Ellis Electric Boat Corp. ___ Maybe some of these steps will help discover the root of the problem. Important information about system sleep Certain system settings may prevent your computer from going to sleep. You may notice that the screen dims and the sleep indicator light pulses, but the internal fan still runs. Many communications programs, such as PPP, Apple Remote Access, and other dialup programs, monitor the computer's modem port to check for incoming transmissions when set to auto-answer incoming calls. This may prevent the computer from going into sleep completely. If the Configure pop-up menu in the TCP/IP control panel (Mac OS 9) is set to Using DHCP Server, your computer may not sleep when your Web browser or email application is open or a file server is mounted on your desktop. Quit these applications and unmount file servers when they are not being used. The Palm Desktop HotSync function may prevent your computer from going to sleep. To turn off the HotSync function, open Palm Desktop and choose Setup from the HotSync menu. Then click the Disabled button and verify that the Enable HotSync software at system startup checkbox is not selected. Turn HotSync back on when you want to synchronize with your Palm-compatible device. If you use fax software, such as FAXstf, and the software is set to auto-answer, your computer may not sleep completely. The screen will dim (instead of turn off). To allow your computer to sleep, disable auto-answering. To disable auto-answering in FAXstf, open FaxBrowser and choose Settings from the Edit menu. Then choose the FaxModem icon and choose Never from the Answer On pop-up menu. Note: If you connect a USB device while the computer is in sleep, your computer wakes. Michelle --- Michelle K. Wachtel, Apple Product Professional, Inspiration to Information 804/794-6435, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.carbonus.com/23;www.carbonus.com/23/A or A HREF=http://www.4allnaturals.com/23;www.4allnaturals.com/23/A -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
I started this thread a while back and got sidetracked by some other issues, but I've now returned to it, it's not just my hard drive not sleeping, it's the whole machine staying awake. Specifics: 400 MHZ G3 Powerbook (Pismo) OS 10.2.1 40 GB Hard drive 768 MB RAM If I tell it to sleep via the menu item, the screen goes dark, then comes back on. If I close the lid, the drive still runs and while the screen seems off; when I re-open the lid there is no delay everything seems available instantly. If I close the lid and leave it closed for extended periods of time (overnight) the screen stays dark and I have to do a restart via cntl+cmd+pwr buttons to get it run. My questions are: 1.Has anyone else seen this type of thing and if so have you cured it and how? 2. I've seen references to Powerbooks having sleep problems with Jaguar, are they ongoing or has Apple documented a fix? Any help or related comments would be appreciated. Joe Ellis -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
On 30/09/02 10:40, Joe Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started this thread a while back and got sidetracked by some other issues, but I've now returned to it, it's not just my hard drive not sleeping, it's the whole machine staying awake. Specifics: 400 MHZ G3 Powerbook (Pismo) OS 10.2.1 40 GB Hard drive 768 MB RAM If I tell it to sleep via the menu item, the screen goes dark, then comes back on. If I close the lid, the drive still runs and while the screen seems off; when I re-open the lid there is no delay everything seems available instantly. If I close the lid and leave it closed for extended periods of time (overnight) the screen stays dark and I have to do a restart via cntl+cmd+pwr buttons to get it run. My questions are: 1.Has anyone else seen this type of thing and if so have you cured it and how? 2. I've seen references to Powerbooks having sleep problems with Jaguar, are they ongoing or has Apple documented a fix? Any help or related comments would be appreciated. Joe Ellis I'm also using a Pismo 400 with 10.2.1, although with a Travelstar 20 GB and 512 MB RAM and never experienced any problem with sleep. Computer goes to sleep as expected and wakes up as expected, all the time, which is many times a day. In your case, I would suspect some background process preventing the computer to sleep. Did you try quitting all applications before trying to put the computer to sleep? Did you install any kind of software that could prevent the computer from sleeping, like a fax software or something similar? You could maybe grab the content of your ProcessViewer window when trying to sleep so we would maybe be able to help you more. -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * featurectomy /fee`ch*r-ek't*-mee/ n.: The act of removing a feature from a program. Featurectomies come in two flavors, the `righteous' and the `reluctant'. Righteous featurectomies are performed because the remover believes the program would be more elegant without the feature, or there is already an equivalent and better way to achieve the same end. (Doing so is not quite the same thing as removing a misfeature.) Reluctant featurectomies are performed to satisfy some external constraint such as code size or execution speed. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
Didn't someone mention that Appletalk has to be turned off in order to go to sleep properly? -- Mike Amato -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
On 30/09/02 11:37, Mike Amato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't someone mention that Appletalk has to be turned off in order to go to sleep properly? I don't know but AppleTalk is definitely ON when my Pismo goes to sleep and I don't have any problem. -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * fish n.: [Adelaide University, Australia] 1. Another metasyntactic variable. See foo. Derived originally from the Monty Python skit in the middle of The Meaning of Life entitled Find the Fish. 2. A pun for `microfiche'. A microfiche file cabinet may be referred to as a `fish tank'. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
Thanks for your reply Laurent, at least I now know my problem is related to my installation and not the OS, I'll start looking at my process viewer tonight when I get home and see if I can spot anything. I also have the shareware program called MUG (Memory Usage Getter) that I will check to see what processes are running. The other suggestion about Appletalk doesn't relate because I have it turned off. I use Airport for networking. When you installed 10.2 did you install it over 10.1.5 or did you do a wipe and install? I installed over 10.1.5 and I'm concerned that it may be the cause of some my problems and they could be cured with the thermonuclear approach as painful as that can be. Thanks for your help. Joe Ellis - Original Message - From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Sleepless hard drive Any help or related comments would be appreciated. Joe Ellis I'm also using a Pismo 400 with 10.2.1, although with a Travelstar 20 GB and 512 MB RAM and never experienced any problem with sleep. Computer goes to sleep as expected and wakes up as expected, all the time, which is many times a day. In your case, I would suspect some background process preventing the computer to sleep. Did you try quitting all applications before trying to put the computer to sleep? Did you install any kind of software that could prevent the computer from sleeping, like a fax software or something similar? You could maybe grab the content of your ProcessViewer window when trying to sleep so we would maybe be able to help you more. -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
On 30/09/02 12:27, Joe Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your reply Laurent, at least I now know my problem is related to my installation and not the OS, I'll start looking at my process viewer tonight when I get home and see if I can spot anything. I also have the shareware program called MUG (Memory Usage Getter) that I will check to see what processes are running. The other suggestion about Appletalk doesn't relate because I have it turned off. I use Airport for networking. When you installed 10.2 did you install it over 10.1.5 or did you do a wipe and install? I installed over 10.1.5 and I'm concerned that it may be the cause of some my problems and they could be cured with the thermonuclear approach as painful as that can be. I went with a clean installation. Didn't want to mess up with stuff remaining from 10.1.5. That might be the problem... -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * Great Renaming n.: The flag day in 1987 on which all of the non-local groups on the Usenet had their names changed from the net.- format to the current multiple-hierarchies scheme. Used esp. in discussing the history of newsgroup names. The oldest sources group is comp.sources.misc; before the Great Renaming, it was net.sources. There is a Great Renaming FAQ on the Web. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
That's what I thought, has anyone tried the archive and install approach? I just deplore the thought of having to go through all the installs for my software suite which is pretty extensive and with my expanded drive, I have room to try that approach. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to go that way first and save the other as a last resort. Joe Ellis - Original Message - From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Sleepless hard drive When you installed 10.2 did you install it over 10.1.5 or did you do a wipe and install? I installed over 10.1.5 and I'm concerned that it may be the cause of some my problems and they could be cured with the thermonuclear approach as painful as that can be. I went with a clean installation. Didn't want to mess up with stuff remaining from 10.1.5. That might be the problem... -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Sleepless hard drive
On 30/09/02 13:32, Joe Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what I thought, has anyone tried the archive and install approach? I just deplore the thought of having to go through all the installs for my software suite which is pretty extensive and with my expanded drive, I have room to try that approach. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to go that way first and save the other as a last resort. That's why I think it's a good idea to partition a drive with at least 2 partitions: one for the OS, the other for the apps. A third one could be useful for OS 9. Then, if you need to re-install the OS, you just make a backup of your home directory and there you go. -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * gnubie /noo'bee/ n.: Written-only variant of newbie in common use on IRC channels, which implies specifically someone who is new to the Linux/open-source/free-software world. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 01:32 PM, Joe Ellis wrote: That's what I thought, has anyone tried the archive and install approach? I just deplore the thought of having to go through all the installs for my software suite which is pretty extensive and with my expanded drive, I have room to try that approach. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to go that way first and save the other as a last resort. I hate to not be able to help here, but I had done just a straight upgrade over 10.1.5 on my 400mhz Pismo and have had no sleep problems at all. It sleeps and wakes up really perfect. Have appletalk on, airport running all the time and still sleeps. Some people have had trouble with ical keeping their systems awake due to some Applescript issue. Hope you find the problem without having to reinstall. Greg -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Adding fuel to the fire After upgrading to 10.2 I noticed that occasionally my WallStreet would WAKE UP in my bag. I think it's related to jostling but I'm not sure. In any event it is certainly fun to reach in there after a few hours of (not) sleeping and feel the heat. On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 08:07 AM, Joe Ellis wrote: OS 10.2.1 and now I have started seeing reports of other Powerbooks having sleep related problems so I think there's more to it than just a funky install. Joe Ellis - Original Message - From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Sleepless hard drive on 24/09/02 00:43, Joe Ellis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why my hard drive won't sleep on my Pismo. Any thoughts on it? Should I consider a clean OS install? Which version of the OS? -Laurent. -- Phil Burk Systems Support Technician Wiley Publishing, Inc. 10475 Crosspoint Blvd Indianapolis, IN 46256 317.572.3049 phone 317.572.1049 fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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At 7:29 pm -0400 21/9/02, Joe Ellis wrote: The latest in strange behavior of my Pismo 400 MHZ since installing 10.2 and 10.2.1 is the hard drive is apparently not going to sleep. I usually put the PB to sleep by closing the lid. Put it to sleep last night that way and today when I sat next to it without opening it, I could hear the hard drive chattering. It's a 40 GB IBM Travelstar that I recently installed. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to figure out what's going on? My old Wallstreet G3 would never reliably sleep with the lid closure. I just did it from the menu. Maybe the proximity switch (or whatever it's called) is faulty? -- With best wishes, Roger Shufflebottom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On 9/22/02 10:33 AM, Roger Shufflebottom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:29 pm -0400 21/9/02, Joe Ellis wrote: The latest in strange behavior of my Pismo 400 MHZ since installing 10.2 and 10.2.1 is the hard drive is apparently not going to sleep. I usually put the PB to sleep by closing the lid. Put it to sleep last night that way and today when I sat next to it without opening it, I could hear the hard drive chattering. It's a 40 GB IBM Travelstar that I recently installed. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to figure out what's going on? My old Wallstreet G3 would never reliably sleep with the lid closure. I just did it from the menu. Maybe the proximity switch (or whatever it's called) is faulty? You may be right, I left the lid up last night and let it go to sleep based on time. Appears it went to sleep properly and woke up OK. -- Joe Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Sleepless hard drive
The latest in strange behavior of my Pismo 400 MHZ since installing 10.2 and 10.2.1 is the hard drive is apparently not going to sleep. I usually put the PB to sleep by closing the lid. Put it to sleep last night that way and today when I sat next to it without opening it, I could hear the hard drive chattering. It's a 40 GB IBM Travelstar that I recently installed. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to figure out what's going on? -- Joe Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
