Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-16 Thread harry 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: Tiger Release
 From: Mark Edward Attew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, April 13, 2005 11:00 am
 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com
 
 But they list clamshell iBooks which had 4MB of Video RAM and up to what, 
 466MHz processors with a max of what 768MB RAM?
 

I can’t imagine running OS X on a clamshell, which is limited to 640x480
resolution.

Regards,

Harry Corsover 


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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-16 Thread harry 
I’m eager to try it out, since I’m having a problem with Mail not able
to receive email to my domain address. And I HATE using Web Mail (which
I’m doing now). I’m hoping that Tiger will fix this. If it doesn’t, I’m
going to have to change domain hosts for the second time in a month.

So I’ll be an early adopter. I may install it first on an external
FireWire 800 drive to test it out first, though.

Is anyone using an inexpensive domain host and not having problems
getting domain email in Mail?

Thanks,

Harry

  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: Tiger Release
 From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, April 15, 2005 7:31 pm
 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com
 
 I just ask because it's been my experience that it is best to wait 
 until after the initial release to see what issues and problems arise, 
 then buy after those issues and problems have been dealt with.  Not 
 that I don't REALLY want Tiger on my system ASAP.
 Brian
 
 On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Donald Keenan wrote:
 
 
  Dunno about that, but not too long.
 
  You're asking because someone mention in this thread already that 
  there's going to be an immediate update for Tiger? That's what I 
  heard.
 
  Donald
 
 


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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-16 Thread Bruce Johnson 
On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Tiger Release
From: Mark Edward Attew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, April 13, 2005 11:00 am
To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com
But they list clamshell iBooks which had 4MB of Video RAM and up to 
what,
466MHz processors with a max of what 768MB RAM?

I can’t imagine running OS X on a clamshell, which is limited to 
640x480
resolution.
OSX at 640 x 480 is unusable, but it runs quite happily on a clamshell, 
though, at their native resolution of 800x600.

Apple hasn't shipped a system at 640x480 max since the era of the 
PB5300 and PB190, iirc.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-16 Thread themacuser 
It's 800x600, not 640x480, but it would suck anyway. 1024x768 is the 
MINIMUM i'd want.
On 17/04/2005, at 06:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Tiger Release
From: Mark Edward Attew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, April 13, 2005 11:00 am
To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com
But they list clamshell iBooks which had 4MB of Video RAM and up to 
what,
466MHz processors with a max of what 768MB RAM?

I can’t imagine running OS X on a clamshell, which is limited to 
640x480
resolution.

Regards,
Harry Corsover
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-15 Thread themacuser 
Yeah, I could have sworn it wasn't there before! They have added it.
On 14/04/2005, at 11:29, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Aaron Willems wrote:
If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. 
You
might be out of luck.

If you actually look, you'll see the Pismo is right under the
Powerbook list.
No need to be so blunt.
It's been added, it was NOT there.
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-15 Thread Brian 
Anyone have an idea of how long past OS releases have been out before 
an update typically shows up working out the first bugs in the system?
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-15 Thread Donald Keenan 
On Friday, April 15, 2005, at 09:25 PM, Brian wrote:
Anyone have an idea of how long past OS releases have been out before 
an update typically shows up working out the first bugs in the system?
Brian


Dunno about that, but not too long.
You're asking because someone mention in this thread already that 
there's going to be an immediate update for Tiger? That's what I heard.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-15 Thread Brian 
I just ask because it's been my experience that it is best to wait 
until after the initial release to see what issues and problems arise, 
then buy after those issues and problems have been dealt with.  Not 
that I don't REALLY want Tiger on my system ASAP.
Brian

On Apr 15, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Donald Keenan wrote:
Dunno about that, but not too long.
You're asking because someone mention in this thread already that 
there's going to be an immediate update for Tiger? That's what I 
heard.

Donald
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Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Tim Collier 
I ordered the Family Pack.  It'll be here by April 29, hope everybody orders
theirs soon too.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Fabian Fang 
On Apr 13, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Tim Collier wrote:
I ordered the Family Pack.  It'll be here by April 29, hope everybody  
orders
theirs soon too.
For those who need the Family Pack, Amazon has a pre-order deal with  
$50 rebate:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007LW1MW/103-5687231 
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Aaron Willems 
I'm going to order mine with iLife 05 and iWork 05. You get all 3 for $250.
A savings of $50 dollars.
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Matthew Faulds 
I've managed to persuade my brother that he wants Tiger for his birthday so 
I'm buying a Family pack too

I can't resist. I'm just another butterfly drawn by the light
Matt

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I ordered the Family Pack.  It'll be here by April 29, hope everybody orders
theirs soon too.
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Pace 
I heard that Tiger will NOT install on G3/Pismo's
even tho they have the required: G3+, built-in Firewire.
Apple does not list the Pismo...
The rumor is that it actually henges on what video card
is installed, older ATI vs newer AGP.
Anyone heard anything more?
kim
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Bruce Sergeant 
Kim,

I've, personally, seen Tiger running on a Pismo!  The person who did
this is a software developer who had an advance copy of the OS.

Bruce Sergeant
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/13/05 11:29:41 AM 
I heard that Tiger will NOT install on G3/Pismo's
even tho they have the required: G3+, built-in Firewire.
Apple does not list the Pismo...
The rumor is that it actually henges on what video card
is installed, older ATI vs newer AGP.

Anyone heard anything more?

kim

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Aaron Willems 
If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. You
might be out of luck.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
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 I heard that Tiger will NOT install on G3/Pismo's
 even tho they have the required: G3+, built-in Firewire.
 Apple does not list the Pismo...
 The rumor is that it actually henges on what video card
 is installed, older ATI vs newer AGP.
 
 Anyone heard anything more?
 
 kim



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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Timothy Luoma 
On Apr 13, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Matthew Faulds wrote:
I've managed to persuade my brother that he wants Tiger for his 
birthday so I'm buying a Family pack too
Which is perfectly legal as long as he lives in the same house as you 
:-)

Not that I suspect any checks these things.
TjL
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Mark Edward Attew 
But they list clamshell iBooks which had 4MB of Video RAM and up to what, 
466MHz processors with a max of what 768MB RAM?

The Pismo came with 8MB Video RAM, up to 500MHz processors and a max of 1GB 
RAM. Doesn't make sense...what could be the limiting factor?

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Subject: Re: Tiger Release


If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. You
might be out of luck.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
--
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I heard that Tiger will NOT install on G3/Pismo's
even tho they have the required: G3+, built-in Firewire.
Apple does not list the Pismo...
The rumor is that it actually henges on what video card
is installed, older ATI vs newer AGP.
Anyone heard anything more?
kim



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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Malcolm Cornelius 
 But they list clamshell iBooks which had 4MB of Video RAM and up to what,
 466MHz processors with a max of what 768MB RAM?
 
 The Pismo came with 8MB Video RAM, up to 500MHz processors and a max of 1GB
 RAM. Doesn't make sense...what could be the limiting factor?

The later clamshell iBooks had 8MB VRAM and an ATI Rage Mobility 128 (AGP
2x) graphics card.

The Pismo had 8MB and ATI Rage Mobility 128.

I think it is a mistake on the website as others have pointed out, it will
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo 
Yes, unless Apple cripples the final release, it will run on a Pismo.
Turtle-Bear
On Apr 13, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:
I think it is a mistake on the website as others have pointed out, it 
will
run on a Pismo.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Tim Hodgson 
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 5:36 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:

Kim,

I've, personally, seen Tiger running on a Pismo!  The person who did
this is a software developer who had an advance copy of the OS.

Bruce, did you get a good enough look to get an impression of its speed?
It was quite a pleasant shock when Panther turned out to be faster than
Jag, but I'm wondering if Tiger's use of graphics acceleration is going
to mean that older Macs will struggle.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Bruce Sergeant 
Tim,

Yes, it was very responsive, very quick.  Some of the Spotlight
searches took a little longer, on the Pismo, than I've seen elsewhere
but overall very fast.  All accounts I've heard indicate that Tiger will
operate even faster, on most systems, that all previous Xes.

I'm psyched...

Bruce



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/13/05 12:48:40 PM 
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 5:36 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:

Kim,

I've, personally, seen Tiger running on a Pismo!  The person who did
this is a software developer who had an advance copy of the OS.

Bruce, did you get a good enough look to get an impression of its
speed?
It was quite a pleasant shock when Panther turned out to be faster
than
Jag, but I'm wondering if Tiger's use of graphics acceleration is
going
to mean that older Macs will struggle.

TimH

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Zoltan Batiz 
On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Aaron Willems wrote:
If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. You
might be out of luck.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
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If you actually look, you'll see the Pismo is right under the 
Powerbook list.  It's referred to as the PowerBook G3 (FireWire).  
Even though the Pismo is supported, I've learned one thing about major 
upgrades.  Let all the butterflies attracted to the light do it first 
so they can work out all the bugs.

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Tim Hodgson 
Now that is *very* good to hear :-) Thanks.

TimH

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 7:20 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:

Tim,

Yes, it was very responsive, very quick.  Some of the Spotlight
searches took a little longer, on the Pismo, than I've seen elsewhere
but overall very fast.  All accounts I've heard indicate that Tiger will
operate even faster, on most systems, that all previous Xes.

I'm psyched...

Bruce



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/13/05 12:48:40 PM 
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 5:36 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:

Kim,

I've, personally, seen Tiger running on a Pismo!  The person who did
this is a software developer who had an advance copy of the OS.

Bruce, did you get a good enough look to get an impression of its
speed?
It was quite a pleasant shock when Panther turned out to be faster
than
Jag, but I'm wondering if Tiger's use of graphics acceleration is
going
to mean that older Macs will struggle.



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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Pace 
Wew! Thanks great! I'm so glad they learned of
they're oversight!
It def wasn't that way this morning!
later, Kim
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If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. You
might be out of luck.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
-- Aaron Willems
If you actually look, you'll see the Pismo is right under the Powerbook 
list. It's referred to as the PowerBook G3 (FireWire). Even though the Pismo is 
supported, I've learned one thing about major upgrades. Let all the butterflies attracted 
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 13/04/05 18:38, Tim Hodgson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now that is *very* good to hear :-) Thanks.
 
 TimH
 
 On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 7:20 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:
 
 Tim,
 
 Yes, it was very responsive, very quick.  Some of the Spotlight
 searches took a little longer, on the Pismo, than I've seen elsewhere
 but overall very fast.  All accounts I've heard indicate that Tiger will
 operate even faster, on most systems, that all previous Xes.
 
 I'm psyched...

I am not sure where to draw a line but I think that if your PowerBook
supports Core Image, things can get amazingly faster. I have a 17 at 1.5GHz
and I did notice a significant speed increase in various operations. Most
notably in the Finder (finally!) and Safari 2.0 is also much faster. There
are some pages that display in less than a second! Menus and other widgets
are quite faster.

However, I am not sure to what extent your GPU supporting Core Image can
speed things up...

-Laurent.
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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew F. 
The Apple site goes into very little detail on which GPUs give full support.
I have a brand-new PowerBook 12 (64MB nVidia 5200) so I'm guessing it is
fully supported, but my friend has an 800MHz iBook G4 and I don't know
whether I should recommend the update for her or not.  Also, my 1GHz
Sawtooth has a 32MB GeForce MX pulled out of a QuickSilver, this is an
older, though Quartz Extreme capable card.  Will it be supported under Core
Image, and if not, is it still worthwhile from a performance viewpoint to
install Tiger on that machine?

Andrew


On 4/13/05 4:01 PM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 13/04/05 18:38, Tim Hodgson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Now that is *very* good to hear :-) Thanks.
 
 TimH
 
 On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 7:20 pm -0500, Bruce Sergeant wrote:
 
 Tim,
 
 Yes, it was very responsive, very quick.  Some of the Spotlight
 searches took a little longer, on the Pismo, than I've seen elsewhere
 but overall very fast.  All accounts I've heard indicate that Tiger will
 operate even faster, on most systems, that all previous Xes.
 
 I'm psyched...
 
 I am not sure where to draw a line but I think that if your PowerBook
 supports Core Image, things can get amazingly faster. I have a 17 at 1.5GHz
 and I did notice a significant speed increase in various operations. Most
 notably in the Finder (finally!) and Safari 2.0 is also much faster. There
 are some pages that display in less than a second! Menus and other widgets
 are quite faster.
 
 However, I am not sure to what extent your GPU supporting Core Image can
 speed things up...
 
 -Laurent.



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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Laurent Daudelin 
on 13/04/05 19:12, Andrew F. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Apple site goes into very little detail on which GPUs give full support.
 I have a brand-new PowerBook 12 (64MB nVidia 5200) so I'm guessing it is
 fully supported, but my friend has an 800MHz iBook G4 and I don't know
 whether I should recommend the update for her or not.  Also, my 1GHz
 Sawtooth has a 32MB GeForce MX pulled out of a QuickSilver, this is an
 older, though Quartz Extreme capable card.  Will it be supported under Core
 Image, and if not, is it still worthwhile from a performance viewpoint to
 install Tiger on that machine?

Here:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/

On the right hand side, toward the bottom are some video cards that Core
Image takes advantage of. I also read somewhere that Core Image is not all
or nothing. You can have limited support from your GPU even if it's not
listed...

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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Andrew F. 
That only lists the cards, not the extent to which they are implemented.  I
want to know if my cards will get full or limited support, not just if they
are on the list.

Andrew


On 4/13/05 4:43 PM, Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 13/04/05 19:12, Andrew F. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 The Apple site goes into very little detail on which GPUs give full support.
 I have a brand-new PowerBook 12 (64MB nVidia 5200) so I'm guessing it is
 fully supported, but my friend has an 800MHz iBook G4 and I don't know
 whether I should recommend the update for her or not.  Also, my 1GHz
 Sawtooth has a 32MB GeForce MX pulled out of a QuickSilver, this is an
 older, though Quartz Extreme capable card.  Will it be supported under Core
 Image, and if not, is it still worthwhile from a performance viewpoint to
 install Tiger on that machine?
 
 Here:
 
 http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/
 
 On the right hand side, toward the bottom are some video cards that Core
 Image takes advantage of. I also read somewhere that Core Image is not all
 or nothing. You can have limited support from your GPU even if it's not
 listed...
 
 -Laurent.



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Re: Tiger Release

2005-04-13 Thread Malcolm Cornelius 
 
 On Apr 13, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Aaron Willems wrote:
 
 If you look at the Upgrade chart from Apple, I don't see the Pismo. You
 might be out of luck.

 If you actually look, you'll see the Pismo is right under the
 Powerbook list.

No need to be so blunt.

It's been added, it was NOT there.

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