Re: clay animation software

2005-11-26 Thread Kristina
 I haven't been following this topic very well, but I myself make animations
 and I use OS 9 all the time. They are not clay animations (made with LEGO
 actually) but its all the same. These are a few programs for the classic OS
 that should work well for what you need:

I wanted to tellyou (( all )) I have saved every post on this subject and I
plan to look for the software and gizmos you suggest...

Monday my husband was laid off  from his executive job and well...my
attentions have turned to more practical issues.

As soon as I get passed the shock and on to the excitement of a new
adventure...I may pick up this conversation.

thanks for all the info
Kristina


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-22 Thread Luis Sequeira


On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:30 PM, G-Books wrote:



Hi all,

Laurent has an excellent point... using iMovie with a digital picture
in OS 9 (and in OS X for that matter) will produce 5 second clips of
the still. It's about 149 frames too much stuff, but you can split
the clip and delete the extra 4:29 (sec:frames) to get a single
frame. Of course, doing this 300 times for a 10 second movie would
get a bit tedious... ;)

I did this summer before last with some second and third graders and
it went great.

smiles,
Jamie



If a digital still camera is used, then I suppose the easiest way to  
turn a bunch of pictures into a movie is perhaps the great  
GraphicConverter. Using its ConvertModify command one can do it in a  
snap, while also, if needed, applying all sorts of modifications to  
the images.
 It can also run from at least System 7 up until 10.4.3. And, best  
of all, it may already be there in your Mac (it has come bundled with  
several macs for years); if not,  then the shareware fee is quite  
reasonable.


Luis Sequeira


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-22 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Nov 22, 2005, at 8:35 AM, Luis Sequeira wrote:




If a digital still camera is used, then I suppose the easiest way  
to turn a bunch of pictures into a movie is perhaps the great  
GraphicConverter. Using its ConvertModify command one can do it in  
a snap, while also, if needed, applying all sorts of modifications  
to the images.
 It can also run from at least System 7 up until 10.4.3. And, best  
of all, it may already be there in your Mac (it has come bundled  
with several macs for years); if not,  then the shareware fee is  
quite reasonable.


There's an old, old classic app that took a bunch of stills and  
strung them into a movie. I remember I got it when I was messing with  
POV-ray for the mac. This was a long time ago. and I can't remember  
it, though I may have a copy squirreled away on an old backup at home.


Also, Quicktime Pro will take sequentially numbered still images and  
convert them to a .mov file. (and if you have access to the old Mac  
Addict disks you can still score a copy of QT 3 player, which lets  
you do it without needing the pro series.)


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-22 Thread Cody Brooks
I haven't been following this topic very well, but I myself make animations
and I use OS 9 all the time. They are not clay animations (made with LEGO
actually) but its all the same. These are a few programs for the classic OS
that should work well for what you need:

Framed: a program that will let you take the still pictures from your
digital camera and put them together into a movie file. Works pretty well
for me. Its also free. http://www.likelysoft.com/framed/

FrameThief: this is a frame capturing program that will allow you to capture
frames from a webcam, digital camcorder, or digital still camera. A single
user license for it is only $40, but they also have an education single user
price of $35. http://www.framethief.com/

BTV and BTV Pro: another frame capturing program. BTV allows you to capture
frames, while BTV Pro has an actual stop motion feature. I have not used any
of these personally so I do not have much experience with it.
http://www.bensoftware.com/index.html

Loud Inc: they make two stop motion programs. One of which is their normal
version and one which is made specifically for kids. Some of the pages on
their website are corrupted, so I have not been able to try them out. I know
that the regular version (StopMotion Studio) has a $45 registration fee. I
do not know if the kids version does or how much it is.

StopMotioner: this program from Mein Software is still in the beta steps I
believe. I also have not tried it out but it looks promising.
http://www.miensoftware.com/stopmotioner.html


That is about all of the software I can think of for now. Hope this helps.


-Cody

PS: if you would like to see some of the stop motion animations that are
made with LEGO go here: http://www.brickfilms.com . Its a community full of
people like myself that make stop motion animations with LEGO. Check it out.



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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-21 Thread Luis Sequeira



ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz

so how did they do clay animation in the...uh  old G3 days?

Kristina




If you can connect the video source to your mac, consider BTV Pro. It  
can run in any old G3, and can do frame grabbing (with onion skin,  
so you can compare with you previous frame), as well as video,  
besides a lot more (time lapse capture, quicktime editing, etc).


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-21 Thread Kristina
on 11/21/05 4:56 AM, Luis Sequeira at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BTV Pro
http://www.bensoftware.com/btvpro.html

wow ,I love to see so many mice.  It looks like a doable program...and for
$40!

Thanks Luis! Fabian, Laurent and Brian!  I think if I hold my mouth just
right I might be able to workclaymation in some kind of gizmo set up.

so...how do I get the video into my macs?

 Lombard 
 G3 Beige
 6100 with a G3 upgrade
 6100 plain wrapper...probably won't run OS 9 will it?
...all on OS9x

I was under the impression I needed firewire to get the video into the Mac.
Which didn't make sense to me, as I am sure my mac was the top of the heap
at least for a moment, before firewire. Granted firewire is better...but as
an art teacher I still use pencil and paper too.

I was just about to ask this question...  to do clay animation what is the
lowend cheapo mac machine of choice...something the guys over on Swap list
might  have in thier  lonely used mac room .  I have a  wee budget for this
28 student (jrs  srs) art class Commercial Art 1  2.

While I would love to do state of the art,
---1. I my self am stuck in G3 tech, and
--- 2. The older programs are basic...and I believe easier to get in a
semester and have a handsome product.

 If they choose to go into graphics in college their basic knowledge can be
easily upgraded to O wow status as soon as they get their hands on the
latest and greatest software at the college of their choice.

I appreciate all the thinking for this project...
I will be setting up the  graphics dept over Christmas break...I just hope I
have enough cables gizmos, storage and memory.

 ...but that's another post.  =8- 0
Kristina



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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-21 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 21/11/05 08:52, Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was just about to ask this question...  to do clay animation what is the
 lowend cheapo mac machine of choice...something the guys over on Swap list
 might  have in thier  lonely used mac room .  I have a  wee budget for this
 28 student (jrs  srs) art class Commercial Art 1  2.

Well, isn't clay animation some kind of stop-motion movie or capture? If so,
you could just use a digital camera to capture the stills you take and then
import them to your Mac. Most digital camera uses USB so you will be good
with a Lombard or a Beige G3. Then, I'm pretty sure that there are shareware
programs that will take a folder of digital still pictures and turn them
into a QuickTime movie. I think that would be the cheapest if I understand
what clay animation is.

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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-21 Thread Jamie Pruden

Hi all,

Laurent has an excellent point... using iMovie with a digital picture  
in OS 9 (and in OS X for that matter) will produce 5 second clips of  
the still. It's about 149 frames too much stuff, but you can split  
the clip and delete the extra 4:29 (sec:frames) to get a single  
frame. Of course, doing this 300 times for a 10 second movie would  
get a bit tedious... ;)


I did this summer before last with some second and third graders and  
it went great.


smiles,
Jamie


On Nov 21, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

Well, isn't clay animation some kind of stop-motion movie or  
capture? If so,
you could just use a digital camera to capture the stills you take  
and then
import them to your Mac. Most digital camera uses USB so you will  
be good
with a Lombard or a Beige G3. Then, I'm pretty sure that there are  
shareware
programs that will take a folder of digital still pictures and turn  
them
into a QuickTime movie. I think that would be the cheapest if I  
understand

what clay animation is.

-Laurent.



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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-20 Thread Brian McEwen


On Nov 20, 2005, at 12:13 AM, Kristina wrote:




does iMovie run in OS9x?

The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires
native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.

ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz


One more try...

would this gizmo work with either my Lombard, G3 Beige or 6100 with  
a G3

upgrade...all on OS9x

http://www.synchrotech.com/product-1394/analog-dv-converter_02.html



Not without firewire.

I used an ATI XClaim VR / RAGE Pro video capture card to do various  
small tasks on my 6400/G3/9.1 and they worked out OK.  Youd have to  
do the capture with that, adn the video editing in Adobe Premiere 5.1  
or so, which you should be able to find for $10 on ebay.
It has RCA video input which should be perfect for your camcorder  
(you were talking non-digital camcorder IIRC, just composite video  
out, right?)


I've seen that ATI card go for nothing used in the last few years.   
So- you could do it with that, plus some additional software.


HTH.

Or, if you had somewhere to write to for a $450 grant, you could get  
a Mac Mini and have a much better experience, but you still might  
have to deal with the composite input if you don't have a digital  
camcorder somewhere.  The ATI Xclaim VR card did work for me.


Brian


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-19 Thread Kristina

 does iMovie run in OS9x?
 The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires
 native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.
 ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz

One more try...

would this gizmo work with either my Lombard, G3 Beige or 6100 with a G3
upgrade...all on OS9x

http://www.synchrotech.com/product-1394/analog-dv-converter_02.html

Kristina


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-19 Thread Fabian Fang

On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:13 PM, Kristina wrote:


does iMovie run in OS9x?

The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires
native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.

ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz


One more try...

would this gizmo work with either my Lombard, G3 Beige or 6100 with  
a G3

upgrade...all on OS9x

http://www.synchrotech.com/product-1394/analog-dv-converter_02.html


It  is a FireWire device.  None of your three listed Macs has native  
FireWire.  Do you have FireWire cards (PCMCIA or PCI, respectively)  
on any of them?


Fabian 


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clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Kristina
conversation from the art teachers list...

 You can do the claymation very simply with Sony digital video cams and
 imovie ( standard editing program with macintosh computers) in fact you
 can do it with still digital camera  imovie
Is there any way to use a VHS video camera?...I have a mac and could
probably get imovie...I do have a digital camera...but I don't know how to
get the video [tape] into the computer... any help?

There is software to convert analog to digital- made by Dazzle
 software Please check and make sure this is for MAC,
 as I've only seen it with PC...

I found it in Google...looks only PC ...what is available for macs?...

I did animation, clay , paper, somekind of all day timed exposure  in a
summer workshop at MU -OH in 1980...we used 8mm...HA!

But in my new art class, the teens want to do some cartoons. I only have a
VHS video camera and a digital still camera...but art budgets are low to
none existant.  

If I just had a list of what I needed , maybe the guys on the swap list
might have what I need. My macs are G3 /6100 and running 9x.

Thanks
Kristina

Also while I am asking...is there a way to get audio from a VHS into the mac
to burn as a CD?


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 18/11/05 09:40, Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 conversation from the art teachers list...
 
 You can do the claymation very simply with Sony digital video cams and
 imovie ( standard editing program with macintosh computers) in fact you
 can do it with still digital camera  imovie
 Is there any way to use a VHS video camera?...I have a mac and could
 probably get imovie...I do have a digital camera...but I don't know how to
 get the video [tape] into the computer... any help?
 
 There is software to convert analog to digital- made by Dazzle
 software Please check and make sure this is for MAC,
 as I've only seen it with PC...
 
 I found it in Google...looks only PC ...what is available for macs?...
 
 I did animation, clay , paper, somekind of all day timed exposure  in a
 summer workshop at MU -OH in 1980...we used 8mm...HA!
 
 But in my new art class, the teens want to do some cartoons. I only have a
 VHS video camera and a digital still camera...but art budgets are low to
 none existant.  
 
 If I just had a list of what I needed , maybe the guys on the swap list
 might have what I need. My macs are G3 /6100 and running 9x.

Usually, to import an analog signal into a Mac, you need what is called a
DV-Bridge. This device takes an analog signal like the ones you get from
the output of a VCR or a non-DV video camera and transforms it into a
digital video stream. All the DV bridges I've seen so far have a FireWire
output that you plug into a Mac.

Since you mention a 6100, I don't know what you could use. The 6100 is
pretty limited in the expandability section, since it has only a PDS slot.
Not sure if there was any video card that would have an analog input.

Dazzle was a company making a DV bridge. Not sure if it's still available.
One thing for sure, you *CAN'T* convert analog to DV by software because,
for the video to be converted by software, you would need to put it onto the
computer. In doing so, you transform it (or have to transform it) into a
digital video stream. So, I'm pretty sure the software you're talking about
was probably meant to be used with their DV bridge somehow, which you don't
really need on a Macintosh running iMovie.

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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread dads

At 8:40 AM -0600 11/18/05, Kristina wrote:

 There is software to convert analog to digital- made by Dazzle

 software Please check and make sure this is for MAC,
 as I've only seen it with PC...


I found it in Google...looks only PC ...what is available for macs?...

I did animation, clay , paper, somekind of all day timed exposure  in a
summer workshop at MU -OH in 1980...we used 8mm...HA!

But in my new art class, the teens want to do some cartoons. I only have a
VHS video camera and a digital still camera...but art budgets are low to
none existant. 


If I just had a list of what I needed , maybe the guys on the swap list
might have what I need. My macs are G3 /6100 and running 9x.


It can also be done via hardware. Dazzle makes (or at least used to 
make) a bridge, which was essentially a freestanding video card that 
would switch digital to analog and analog to digital. It used a 
firewire interface, and worked just fine with my iBook and Cube. I 
was running 9.2 at the time.


Cheers,

Erik
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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Kristina
on 11/18/05 9:14 AM, Laurent Daudelin at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 conversation from the art teachers list... claymation very simply with a VHS
 video camera?... a digital camera.. My macs are G3 /6100 and running 9x.
 
 Usually, to import an analog signal into a Mac, you need what is called a
 DV-Bridge. This device takes an analog signal like the ones you get from the
 output of a VCR or a non-DV video camera and transforms it into a digital
 video stream. All the DV bridges I've seen so far have a FireWire output that
 you plug into a Mac.
 
does my Lombard have firewire capabilities?

 Since you mention a 6100, I don't know what you could use. The 6100 is pretty
 limited in the expandability section, since it has only a PDS slot. Not sure
 if there was any video card that would have an analog input.
 
ratz

 Dazzle was a company making a DV bridge.
 
 ...I'm pretty sure the software you're talking about was probably meant to be
 used with their DV bridge somehow, which you don't really need on a Macintosh
 running iMovie.
 
does iMovie run in OS9x?

Thanks


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Fabian Fang

On Nov 18, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Kristina wrote:


does iMovie run in OS9x?


The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires  
native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58740

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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Kristina
on 11/18/05 10:14 PM, Fabian Fang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 does iMovie run in OS9x?
 
 The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires
 native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.

ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz

so how did they do clay animation in the...uh  old G3 days?

Kristina


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Re: clay animation software

2005-11-18 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 18/11/05 23:34, Kristina at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 11/18/05 10:14 PM, Fabian Fang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 does iMovie run in OS9x?
 
 The older iMovie Version 2 does run under OS 9.x, but it requires
 native FireWire, which your Lombard does not have.
 
 ratz... my G3 Beige is only 277MHz
 
 so how did they do clay animation in the...uh  old G3 days?

Well, there have been video input cards for many years on the Macintosh.
Usually, these cards would have some dedicated chips that would do the
conversion from analog to digital. Back then, you also needed to have a fast
Macintosh because of the amount of information that was captured in real
time. There were also cards for PowerBooks. I still have a CapSure PCMCIA
card that lets you import video into a PowerBook. I tried it a few times
when I got it a few years ago. The quality was average but it was doing the
work. Before iMovie, you would use a software like Adobe Premiere to do the
editing.

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