Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Tom Peterson]

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Subject: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now, 
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999, 
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.

We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .

Does the sound card work under any of the working systems?
My wallstreet stopped making sound and at this point wouldn't boot to OS9.2,
but would boot to 8.6. Replacing sound card was my answer. Good luck.

And to all on the G-mail list: PC 100 SoDimm, 512 meg, In wallstreet
shows 256 meg, 2 inch profile. Anyone with pismo may be able to ustilize it?
I don't need and am accepting silly offers to a good home. Thanks


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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Dan K]

As mentioned, CPU L2 cache failure is apparently common on the Lombard 
series, and leads to all sorts of odd problems.

My question is - has anyone used third party cache control software to 
disable a faulty cache, and did that work to get rid of the errors?

Yes, I know having no L2 cache isn't the hot tip for a speedy 'Book, but 
the alternative is worse. Also noted, the OP was trying to install an OS 
from CD, so if the L2 is kaput 3rd party solutions wouldn't work in this 
case.

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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Dijkwel]

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I have a 256 MB card but it isn't low 
profile so it won't fit the lower RAM slot. I've had the 64 and the 128 
in the lower slot with the upper one empty or containing RAM up to 256 
MB. Nothing get me through the installation process of OS X above 
10.0.3.

The type of RAM doesn't seem to matter either: I just tested a 128 MB 
PC-100 stick in the lower slot without any success either so it 
definitely begins to look like some other problem than RAM: maybe, as 
you say, a faulty CPU card (cache?)

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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Andrew Main]

I gather you have a 256MB RAM card; have you tried removing the 64MB 
card and putting the 256MB card in the slot the 64MB card was in? I 
have a Lombard CPU card which was giving me lots of trouble until I 
noticed that one of the contacts in the upper RAM slot was damaged; RAM 
in the lower slot works fine, but I can't put anything in the upper 
slot.

Lombard CPU cards are known for cache failure (it's happened to me); 
the solution is to replace the CPU card, or have the faulty one 
repaired. I've had good experience for some years with DT&T Service 
; you can 
send them the whole PBk and they'll diagnose it for free; their repair 
prices are least expensive I know.

Andrew Main
On Feb 9, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Dijkwel wrote:
Wouldn't that be a problem for 10.0.3 also.
 I can get that to install without any problem; problems come with 
10.2 and 10.3 when I have to use additional RAM.

Peter
Op 9-feb-05 om 9:18 heeft Andrew F. het volgende geschreven:
Lombards have also been known to have problems with their cache (on 
chip)
memory, which could be why you can't get X to install.

Andrew
On 2/9/05 12:12 AM, "Dijkwel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My feeling is/was that it is a RAM problem.
On my 400 MHz Lombard installing OS 9 is no problem, neither is
installing 10.0.3 as long as I use the 64 MB chip the Lombard came
with.
Since 64 MB is to little RAM to install 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3 with, I 
had
to upgrade the RAM: any configuration used so far, up to and 
including
320 MB, leeds to a freeze sometime during the installation process.

Apparently it is known that OSX is rather picky about its RAM and 
I've
read somewhere that PC-100 is the best variety to use. Since all my
extra RAM is PC-133 or PC-66, I was planning to get my hands on a 128
MB PC-100 RAM chip, put it in the lower slot, keep the upper empty 
and
see what happens during 10.3 installation.

Based on your experiences, maybe I shouldn't; on the other hand, all
RAM present in the Lombard during installation might have to be of 
one
variety but later on, after installation, other brands of RAM could 
be
added.

I'll keep on working at it,
Later,
Peter

Op 8-feb-05 om 22:07 heeft The Real Seed Catalogue het volgende
geschreven:
Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 
1999,
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.

We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
.. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after
rebooting
... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
(booting from DVD)
 ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
 . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1
Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
doing in these cases.
So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
one at a time , no difference.
Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
better but still bad:
..totally stable in 9.1
..locks up sometimes in 9.2
..will get part way through installing X10.3
So it is a lot better but not right.
I have 3 theories:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
2) The CPU card
3) The Mobo
So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
Ben





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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Dijkwel]

Wouldn't that be a problem for 10.0.3 also.
 I can get that to install without any problem; problems come with 10.2 
and 10.3 when I have to use additional RAM.

Peter
Op 9-feb-05 om 9:18 heeft Andrew F. het volgende geschreven:
Lombards have also been known to have problems with their cache (on 
chip)
memory, which could be why you can't get X to install.

Andrew
On 2/9/05 12:12 AM, "Dijkwel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My feeling is/was that it is a RAM problem.
On my 400 MHz Lombard installing OS 9 is no problem, neither is
installing 10.0.3 as long as I use the 64 MB chip the Lombard came
with.
Since 64 MB is to little RAM to install 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3 with, I had
to upgrade the RAM: any configuration used so far, up to and including
320 MB, leeds to a freeze sometime during the installation process.
Apparently it is known that OSX is rather picky about its RAM and I've
read somewhere that PC-100 is the best variety to use. Since all my
extra RAM is PC-133 or PC-66, I was planning to get my hands on a 128
MB PC-100 RAM chip, put it in the lower slot, keep the upper empty and
see what happens during 10.3 installation.
Based on your experiences, maybe I shouldn't; on the other hand, all
RAM present in the Lombard during installation might have to be of one
variety but later on, after installation, other brands of RAM could be
added.
I'll keep on working at it,
Later,
Peter

Op 8-feb-05 om 22:07 heeft The Real Seed Catalogue het volgende
geschreven:
Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999,
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.
We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
.. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after
rebooting
... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
(booting from DVD)
 ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
 . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1
Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
doing in these cases.
So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
one at a time , no difference.
Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
better but still bad:
..totally stable in 9.1
..locks up sometimes in 9.2
..will get part way through installing X10.3
So it is a lot better but not right.
I have 3 theories:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
2) The CPU card
3) The Mobo
So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
Ben





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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Dijkwel]

Is there a fix for that?
Peter
Op 9-feb-05 om 9:18 heeft Andrew F. het volgende geschreven:
Lombards have also been known to have problems with their cache (on 
chip)
memory, which could be why you can't get X to install.

Andrew
On 2/9/05 12:12 AM, "Dijkwel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My feeling is/was that it is a RAM problem.
On my 400 MHz Lombard installing OS 9 is no problem, neither is
installing 10.0.3 as long as I use the 64 MB chip the Lombard came
with.
Since 64 MB is to little RAM to install 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3 with, I had
to upgrade the RAM: any configuration used so far, up to and including
320 MB, leeds to a freeze sometime during the installation process.
Apparently it is known that OSX is rather picky about its RAM and I've
read somewhere that PC-100 is the best variety to use. Since all my
extra RAM is PC-133 or PC-66, I was planning to get my hands on a 128
MB PC-100 RAM chip, put it in the lower slot, keep the upper empty and
see what happens during 10.3 installation.
Based on your experiences, maybe I shouldn't; on the other hand, all
RAM present in the Lombard during installation might have to be of one
variety but later on, after installation, other brands of RAM could be
added.
I'll keep on working at it,
Later,
Peter

Op 8-feb-05 om 22:07 heeft The Real Seed Catalogue het volgende
geschreven:
Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999,
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.
We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
.. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after
rebooting
... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
(booting from DVD)
 ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
 . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1
Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
doing in these cases.
So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
one at a time , no difference.
Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
better but still bad:
..totally stable in 9.1
..locks up sometimes in 9.2
..will get part way through installing X10.3
So it is a lot better but not right.
I have 3 theories:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
2) The CPU card
3) The Mobo
So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
Ben





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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Andrew F.]

Lombards have also been known to have problems with their cache (on chip)
memory, which could be why you can't get X to install.

Andrew


On 2/9/05 12:12 AM, "Dijkwel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My feeling is/was that it is a RAM problem.
> 
> On my 400 MHz Lombard installing OS 9 is no problem, neither is
> installing 10.0.3 as long as I use the 64 MB chip the Lombard came
> with.
> 
> Since 64 MB is to little RAM to install 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3 with, I had
> to upgrade the RAM: any configuration used so far, up to and including
> 320 MB, leeds to a freeze sometime during the installation process.
> 
> Apparently it is known that OSX is rather picky about its RAM and I've
> read somewhere that PC-100 is the best variety to use. Since all my
> extra RAM is PC-133 or PC-66, I was planning to get my hands on a 128
> MB PC-100 RAM chip, put it in the lower slot, keep the upper empty and
> see what happens during 10.3 installation.
> 
> Based on your experiences, maybe I shouldn't; on the other hand, all
> RAM present in the Lombard during installation might have to be of one
> variety but later on, after installation, other brands of RAM could be
> added.
> 
> I'll keep on working at it,
> 
> Later,
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Op 8-feb-05 om 22:07 heeft The Real Seed Catalogue het volgende
> geschreven:
> 
>> Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
>> after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999,
>> I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.
>> 
>> We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
>> 
>> .. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
>> ... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after
>> rebooting
>> ... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
>> (booting from DVD)
>>  ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
>>  . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1
>> 
>> Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
>> different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
>> doing in these cases.
>> 
>> So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
>> Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
>> one at a time , no difference.
>> 
>> Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
>> Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
>> better but still bad:
>> 
>> ..totally stable in 9.1
>> ..locks up sometimes in 9.2
>> ..will get part way through installing X10.3
>> 
>> So it is a lot better but not right.
>> 
>> I have 3 theories:
>> 
>> 1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
>> would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
>> they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
>> they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
>> 
>> 2) The CPU card
>> 3) The Mobo
>> 
>> So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
>> 
>> Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
>> 
>> Ben
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> The VidaVerde Seed Collection
>> 14 Southdown Avenue, Lewes
>> East Sussex, BN7  1EL
>> 
>> Excellent Vegetables For the Kitchen Garden:
>> Illustrated Catalogue at http://www.realseeds.co.uk
>> Or call 01239 821107 for a paper copy.
>> 
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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Dijkwel]

My feeling is/was that it is a RAM problem.
On my 400 MHz Lombard installing OS 9 is no problem, neither is 
installing 10.0.3 as long as I use the 64 MB chip the Lombard came 
with.

Since 64 MB is to little RAM to install 10.1, 10.2 or 10.3 with, I had 
to upgrade the RAM: any configuration used so far, up to and including 
320 MB, leeds to a freeze sometime during the installation process.

Apparently it is known that OSX is rather picky about its RAM and I've 
read somewhere that PC-100 is the best variety to use. Since all my 
extra RAM is PC-133 or PC-66, I was planning to get my hands on a 128 
MB PC-100 RAM chip, put it in the lower slot, keep the upper empty and 
see what happens during 10.3 installation.

Based on your experiences, maybe I shouldn't; on the other hand, all 
RAM present in the Lombard during installation might have to be of one 
variety but later on, after installation, other brands of RAM could be 
added.

I'll keep on working at it,
Later,
Peter

Op 8-feb-05 om 22:07 heeft The Real Seed Catalogue het volgende 
geschreven:

Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999,
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.
We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
.. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after 
rebooting
... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
(booting from DVD)
 ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
 . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1

Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
doing in these cases.
So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
one at a time , no difference.
Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
better but still bad:
..totally stable in 9.1
..locks up sometimes in 9.2
..will get part way through installing X10.3
So it is a lot better but not right.
I have 3 theories:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
2) The CPU card
3) The Mobo
So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
Ben





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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Steve Fuller]

On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Andrew, a Mac Freak wrote:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
I don't think increasing the RAM speed would help at all.  The Lombards
have a 66mhz bus speed, so having faster RAM won't help; the RAM will
always reduce back to the bus speed.  Prehaps there was some kind of
mobo damage in the past, which also affected the other ram module?  
BTW,
I've had trouble installing 10.2 multiple times on my perfectly working
Beige G3; I had to try many times until one time it finally completed
installing.  I also once had a Duo 280c that would run fine when
connected with the power adaptor, but when run off of a battery it 
would
freeze often, sometimes when it was just idling.  And when booted it
I recall reading that the processor boards on Lombards were prone to 
issues with the cache memory on them. This could be one possible reason 
for the apparent sporadic nature of the issues that Andrew is seeing. I 
can't recall if there's a good way to test for this, or if it was a 
certain batch of processor cards that have the issue. Some googling 
might turn up more details.

Steve
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Re: help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[Andrew, a Mac Freak]

> 1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
> would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
> they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
> they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.

I don't think increasing the RAM speed would help at all.  The Lombards
have a 66mhz bus speed, so having faster RAM won't help; the RAM will
always reduce back to the bus speed.  Prehaps there was some kind of
mobo damage in the past, which also affected the other ram module?  BTW,
I've had trouble installing 10.2 multiple times on my perfectly working
Beige G3; I had to try many times until one time it finally completed
installing.  I also once had a Duo 280c that would run fine when
connected with the power adaptor, but when run off of a battery it would
freeze often, sometimes when it was just idling.  And when booted it
would occasionally stay at a black screen and make a "farting" noise :/ 
Finally out of frustration I put my foot through it and, well, that was
that.  Mac problems can be very hard to figure out, as you are
experiencing here.  You might eventually be forced to purchace a whole
new mobo :(

That's my 3 cents worth
Andrew

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help me diagnose The Satanic Lombard please

[The Real Seed Catalogue]

Hi All, some may have heard this story from other lists but now,
after having used & fixed almost every mac ever produced before 1999,
I've met one I can't diagnose! Hoping someone here can help.
We bought a Lombard 400/DVD/256/6 off ebay.. . . .
.. .and it hard-froze all the time under 9.2 (every 2 mins)
... and hard-froze occasionally under 9.1, often with type 2/3 after rebooting
... and locked up as soon as you launch the installation of X10.3
(booting from DVD)
 ...but stable under 9.2 if booted extensions off.
 . . and really happy playing DVDs - can watch an entire DVD in 9.1
Just to be clear these are all fresh installs, formatted HD, two
different HDs, nvram reset etc - I used to think I knew what I was
doing in these cases.
So I'm thinking RAM or CPU card here - ok so far?
Ram fitted was Kingston KTA-iMac/128 x 2.  Tried swapping / removing
one at a time , no difference.
Today I got a new (£££!) Crucial 256 Mb chip for it instead of the
Kingston. And this is where I'm _really_ confused. Now it is much
better but still bad:
..totally stable in 9.1
..locks up sometimes in 9.2
..will get part way through installing X10.3
So it is a lot better but not right.
I have 3 theories:
1) the RAM. The original was PC-66. The new is PC-100. Maybe PC-133
would cure it?I called Crucial and they were really helpful -
they have sold about 100 modules for that model and had <3% returns,
they are sure it is ok. They were adamant the PC-133 would not help.
2) The CPU card
3) The Mobo
So.. (sorry for the long post) WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
Any suggestions very welcome, it is beginning to get to me!
Ben





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