Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:58 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
On 9-Feb-05, at 4:43 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Oh yeah, your problem is almost certainly fixable without 
re-installing your OS or trying to back down an version...
Hope so.  I was talking to the pydance people and they said they 
haven't yet found a way to fix it, or even figure out what exactly is 
wrong...
Then definitely get on the Python list, and have the PyDance folks get 
on it to...If Jack doesn't know what's going on, Guido's brother will 
probably chime in; Just is a big mac fan...

Kinda nice to have a mailing list where the creators of the language 
hang out...

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[- drive - drift - dream -]

On 9-Feb-05, at 4:43 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
Oh yeah, your problem is almost certainly fixable without 
re-installing your OS or trying to back down an version...
Hope so.  I was talking to the pydance people and they said they 
haven't yet found a way to fix it, or even figure out what exactly is 
wrong...

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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On 9-Feb-05, at 11:04 AM, John C. Swanson wrote:
Here is the link for a package that fixes some problems with 10.3's
python.  It may or may not help.
http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/beta.html  I will try to figure
out the problem when I get back to my Mac tonight if nobody else comes
up with a solution.
Doesn't help.  :-(
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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Bruce Johnson]

Oh yeah, your problem is almost certainly fixable without re-installing 
your OS or trying to back down an version...

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2005, at 2:27 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
On 9-Feb-05, at 5:12 AM, Tim Hodgson wrote:
Is there any chance the problem is due to the version of Python 
installed
(2.2 on Jaguar, 2.3 on Panther)? In which case you might be able to 
fix
it by downgrading your Python installation.
I'm not sure, I don't know where to find a copy of Python that's that 
age, I tried to install the Python Kitchen Sink thing on top of the 
other Python installation, and that didn't work, but I don't know 
exactly what version it is...
You should get on the MacPython mailing list, they'll probably be able 
to help you. What it sounds like is your system is confused about 
libraries and suchlike...alas, this has been common with Python.

However they're used to dealing with this on the mailing list.
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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[- drive - drift - dream -]

On 9-Feb-05, at 5:12 AM, Tim Hodgson wrote:
Is there any chance the problem is due to the version of Python 
installed
(2.2 on Jaguar, 2.3 on Panther)? In which case you might be able to fix
it by downgrading your Python installation.
I'm not sure, I don't know where to find a copy of Python that's that 
age, I tried to install the Python Kitchen Sink thing on top of the 
other Python installation, and that didn't work, but I don't know 
exactly what version it is...

When I first tried this on Panther, even the Python apps that come with 
Panther, like PackageManager, wouldn't  even run, they'd immediately 
crash after a dock bounce or two...I was able to dick around and 
finally convince PackageManager to run, and after some more stuff that 
hopefully didn't hurt the system, use PackageManager to download all 
the Pygame stuff and things that are needed for that, but it still 
doesn't help any with Pydance.

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[John C. Swanson]

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On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:19 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:

You may need to install the current Python package from macPython: 
<http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/>, and IIRC there were issues 
with PyGame and Python 2.3.3...check the MacPython list archives at 
Jack's site.

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Here is the link for a package that fixes some problems with 10.3's
python.  It may or may not help.
http://homepages.cwi.nl/~jack/macpython/beta.html  I will try to figure
out the problem when I get back to my Mac tonight if nobody else comes
up with a solution.

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:19 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
On 8-Feb-05, at 9:03 PM, Jacob wrote:
10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a
1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4.
What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or
shareware equivalent?
It's a program in Python, PyDance.  It *is* open source.  But no one 
knows how to fix it.  I don't know of any sufficiently functional 
equivalents.
You may need to install the current Python package from macPython: 
, and IIRC there were issues 
with PyGame and Python 2.3.3...check the MacPython list archives at 
Jack's site.

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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Why do they do that to the machines?  I'm buying a new computer, why 
can't I install whatever OS version I like on it?  It's not like I'm 
trying to install the "no longer supported" OS 9 or anything.  What 
difference would it make to them if someone wanted to run Jaguar on 
their machine, too?
-

They don't care.  As far as they are concerned you can run what ever you
want on your laptop.  The problem lies not in your laptop but in Jaguar,
or even Panther < 10.3.5.   Jaguar just doesn't have the drivers for
your new hardware.  Apple would have to go out and release a new version
of Jaguar to support your new laptop.  Unlike Windows which is designed
to support everything under the sun (which is one of the main reasons
Windows has so many problems) Mac OS is designed to support, more or
less, only the Apple provided hardware available at the OSes time of
release.  They could take the time to make a version of Jaguar that will
run on your iBook but that would take time away from updating 10.3 for
new models, and the development of 10.4, and lets face it Jaguar is 2
years old now.

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Tim Hodgson]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2005 at 3:19 am -0500, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:

>
>On 8-Feb-05, at 9:03 PM, Jacob wrote:
>
>> What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or
>> shareware equivalent?
>
>It's a program in Python, PyDance.  It *is* open source.  But no one 
>knows how to fix it.  I don't know of any sufficiently functional 
>equivalents.

Is there any chance the problem is due to the version of Python installed
(2.2 on Jaguar, 2.3 on Panther)? In which case you might be able to fix
it by downgrading your Python installation.

TimH



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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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> Why do they do that to the machines?  I'm buying a new computer, why 
> can't I install whatever OS version I like on it?  It's not like I'm 
> trying to install the "no longer supported" OS 9 or anything.  What 
> difference would it make to them if someone wanted to run Jaguar on 
> their machine, too?

Because new hardware=updated software.  Every time Apple makes a new
computer, they update the current version of the system to work with the
new hardware and ship it with that.  If they made it possible to run an
older OS on new machines, they would have to use OLD hardware supported
by the older system, which completely demolishes the point of buying a
new computer.  You wouldn't buy a new computer, only to find it uses old
outdated hardware.  That's basically why old systems don't work on new
hardware.

Andrew

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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On 8-Feb-05, at 11:11 PM, Jim Dynes wrote:
It most likely won't boot on any OS before 10.3.5. I recently bought 
the 2005 12" Ibook 1.2 and it was shipped with 10.3.5 & it won't boot 
with anything else.
Yeah, that's what I got...even though I managed to get Jaguar installed 
on the iBook by using it as a Firewire target drive from my desktop, 
still can't convince it to boot from that...

(can't use my desktop for the program due to the floors where my 
desktop's located...)

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Jim Dynes]

It most likely won't boot on any OS before 10.3.5. I recently bought 
the 2005 12" Ibook 1.2 and it was shipped with 10.3.5 & it won't boot 
with anything else.

Jim
On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:52 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which 
unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and 
there's no known fix.

So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on, 
reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk, 
and it reboots into Panther.  Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on 
that, reboot holding down the C key.  I get the folder/flashing 
question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then 
it boots back into Panther.

It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD!  Any way I can force it to 
do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that 
machine, ever?

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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On 8-Feb-05, at 10:19 PM, - drive - drift - dream - wrote:
10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a
1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4.
What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or
shareware equivalent?
It's a program in Python, PyDance.  It *is* open source.  But no one 
knows how to fix it.  I don't know of any sufficiently functional 
equivalents.
Well, there's StepMania, but it's just not the same...it's like 
Fireworks when you're a diehard Photoshop user...

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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

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On 8-Feb-05, at 9:03 PM, Jacob wrote:
10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a
1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4.
What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or
shareware equivalent?
It's a program in Python, PyDance.  It *is* open source.  But no one 
knows how to fix it.  I don't know of any sufficiently functional 
equivalents.

Why do they do that to the machines?  I'm buying a new computer, why 
can't I install whatever OS version I like on it?  It's not like I'm 
trying to install the "no longer supported" OS 9 or anything.  What 
difference would it make to them if someone wanted to run Jaguar on 
their machine, too?

Can it boot off an external Firewire drive running Jaguar?
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Re: iBooks booting from CD?

[Jacob]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:52:00 -0500, - drive - drift - dream -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which
> unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and
> there's no known fix.
> 
> So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on,
> reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk,
> and it reboots into Panther.  Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on
> that, reboot holding down the C key.  I get the folder/flashing
> question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then it
> boots back into Panther.
> 
> It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD!  Any way I can force it to
> do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that
> machine, ever?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

10.3 is the minimum OS that new iBooks can run. I'm writing this on a
1GHz iBook which came with the minimum OS for this machine: 10.3.4.

What app are you trying to run? Could there be an open source or
shareware equivalent?

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iBooks booting from CD?

[- drive - drift - dream -]

My otherwise lovely new iBook came preinstalled with Panther, which 
unfortunately, I just found that one of my main apps won't run in, and 
there's no known fix.

So I go and partition off part of the drive to install Jaguar on, 
reboot with the Jaguar CD in the drive as the selected startup disk, 
and it reboots into Panther.  Figure ok, maybe I wasn't too clear on 
that, reboot holding down the C key.  I get the folder/flashing 
question mark icon thing until I finally let go of the key, and then it 
boots back into Panther.

It just refuses to boot off the Jaguar CD!  Any way I can force it to 
do this, or am I stuck never being able to use that app on that 
machine, ever?

Thanks!
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