G3 on Car Talk.

[KP]

I thought all of you would appreciate seeing the G3 on the bottom of
Car Talks web-site. http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/carbon/

I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.
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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[jonas ulrich]

Thats funny.:-) Looks like a slot loading G3 imac.-Jonas

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:05 AM, KP  wrote:

>
> I thought all of you would appreciate seeing the G3 on the bottom of
> Car Talks web-site. http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/carbon/
>
> I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
> the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.
> >
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Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC

[Ernest L. Gunerius]

>At 9:45 PM -0800 1/8/2009, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote:
>>When I finally recovered from my monster crash of Dec 17and after an
>>"Write all zeros" Erase I then installed 10.4.11 on my 250 Gig and
>>partitioned my 500 Gig to 420 and 80 then realizing that the 500 Gig
>>may have had physical problems I did a "Write all Zeros " erase on
>>the 420 and 80.
>>
>>That gave me a 420 Gig and a 45 Gig. Many bad sectors on the 80 gig.
>
>bzzzt.  Replace that drive.  Loosing a few KILOBYTES to bad sectors
>happens, over the life span of a drive.
>Loosing GIGABYTES  *gak*  Thirty five GIG!  *choke*  That drive
>is brick, waiting to become.
>
>>When I run MacJanitor on the 250 Gig and then Increment the other
>>Volumes does the Clean-up on the 250 get properly transferred to the
>>other volumes?
>
>Yes, but in your particular case, I wouldn't trust that backup on that drive.
>
>- Dan.
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>

Thanks Dan,

*Gak* indeed, I am gambling for a few weeks until the funds open up. 
I will get at least a new 500 Gig maybe two drives one 250 internal 
and a 500 Gig Firewire external after the Power Company gets their 
chunk.

  I choked when I saw what was left of the 80 Gig but wanted to 
comment on the simplicity of the SuperDuper back-Up.

I was surprised that it actually worked at all after hearing the 
Clicking from inside the Computer. I did not know which drive was bad 
so just Nuked all of them to see what I got. The Data was already 
gone.

ErnieG

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New Mini

[George Hozendorf]

Can I do a CCC to a second Mini without first installing the  
software?  Need do as I don't have a second keyboard; only a second  
mouse.


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New Mini

[George Hozendorf]

Can I do a CCC to a second Mini without first installing the  
software?  Need do as I don't have a second keyboard; only a second  
mouse.


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Macinhack

[George Hozendorf]

Does anyone know of a successful hack to a PC laptop?  Details of the  
PC please.

George

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MS stuff

[Ted Treen]

Hi All,

Apologies if this is considered to be off-topic by the mods.

I frequently get emails at work (on  Windows XP system) which have, as 
attachments, MS Word (or sometimes Excel) docs which have an amusing Flash 
animation embedded in them.

I can force them to open with BBEdit, look for a file title in the gibberish & 
then google for it - if I find one - but I'd prefer to just extract the 
.,swf/.flv (on the PC, if necessary) and save as a stand-alone file.

Anyone know how to extract the Flash video?

Thanks

Ted

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Hidden 6Gigs Recovered - Houdini 2.1

[D Stubbs]

Perhaps some remember a thread I started in mid Dec. - it had lengthy
discussions about 6 Gigs I had lost under a folder named "  .  "
http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/11e3d1f7cf49a882
Disk Inventory X would show me its contents, but not give any access to them
( 3G alone were jpg.s).
All it took was a simple little 10 Mb app I found called Houdini - its
purpose also is to show hidden files  - but it allows the person to move
them. Bingo!
Del
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26729

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:05 AM, KP wrote:

>
> I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
> the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.



1) Macs tend to have distinctive designs, so set designers and  
dressers like to use them.

2) Art directors, set designers and the like tend to be Mac users  
themselves, so using them on set comes naturally.

3) Mac users like ourselves tend to notice Macs :-) Other folks just  
notice 'computer', if they notice it at all.

There's some cheesy ad on in our TV market for some antivirus/ 
antispyware cleanup service claiming to make your PC faster. There are  
about 6 or 7 different stock photo and stock video shots of people  
using computers. 3/4ths of them are Macs. In fact the big disclaimer  
saying "This product is for Windows PC's Only" is displayed over a  
still shot of the last gen Mac keyboard.

(before the current flat aluminum ones, the white plastic ones with  
the clear base that collects crumbs for all to see :-)

-- 
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Re: Hidden 6Gigs Recovered - Houdini 2.1

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:16 AM, D Stubbs wrote:

> Perhaps some remember a thread I started in mid Dec. - it had lengthy
> discussions about 6 Gigs I had lost under a folder named "  .  "
> http://mail.google.com/mail/#inbox/11e3d1f7cf49a882
> Disk Inventory X would show me its contents, but not give any access  
> to them
> ( 3G alone were jpg.s).
> All it took was a simple little 10 Mb app I found called Houdini - its
> purpose also is to show hidden files  - but it allows the person to  
> move
> them. Bingo!
> Del
> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26729

Cool!

I still wish I knew how the heck your directory got as messd up as it  
did.

Glad you could recover them...this one's going into the toolbox.


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Re: Pioneer DVD-RW question on G4 DA

[PeterH]

On Jan 8, 2009, at 11:04 PM, Paul wrote:

> I've had good luck with Pioneers. The 18x drive (DVR-112?) I got has
> improved reading of scratched discs over the earlier 16x drive
> (DVR-111?). Now they're up to 20x write speed, though I haven't seen
> media faster than 16x.

Pioneers are still good, but Lite-ons have thoroughly reliable 16X  
drives (PATA and SATA) and Samsung has thoroughly reliable 20X drives  
(SATA for sure, possibly also PATA).

The market for OEM drives is way down in the low $20s, with SATA  
being a dollar or two more than PATA and Lightscibe being a dollar or  
two more than non-Lightscribe.

Not all manufacturers make all models.

As all my new purchases are SATA, and as 20X offers a measurable  
advantage over 16X, Samsung is getting my business at the present.

On my old G4s, I generally have DVR-109s, DVR-110s and DVR-111s. All  
were updated to DL burners ages ago.



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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Dan]

At 7:20 PM -0800 1/8/2009, aussieshepsrock wrote:
>  > > TIFF with internal compression OFF
>  > > 600 DPI Resolution
>>
>>  IF you can stand the increase in file size, go for more DPI. Absent a  
>>  rescan of the original, it's information that can never be duplicated.
>
>I am really leaning towards 1200 dpi, but aproximately 70% of these
>images I'm scanning were shot with the cheapest of cameras and are the
>cheapest of machine prints. 1200 dpi scans of originals that represent
>a resolving power less than half of that is a serious waste of effort

ya.  Gotta optimize.

>I"m serious folks, these were taken with the $5 specials were 
>grandma's camera of choice.

A few years back, I scanned stuff taken with an old Brownie.  Some of 
it was quite grainy / faded.  Having the scans in higher resolution 
(I think I did maybe 800dpi) let me do some interesting 
manipulations, that made them look fantastic when printed!

>  > You may be pleasantly surprised by the amount of 'forgotten'  
>>  information recoverable at your 'Naming Parties'.
>
>I am counting on that! I also know my family is going to have a blast
>remembering things. I just had the thought of videotaping the parties
>to record the stories and the people interacting. hm

Definitely videotape them.  Our family's "collection"... One of the 
most important items in it is a reel-to-reel audio tape of an Aunt 
talking about an old photo - then telling a story of her childhood in 
Russia.

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Dan]

At 10:10 PM -0800 1/8/2009, Paul wrote:
>One thing that never got mentioned was how much storage this project
>will use. Are you talking about dozens of DVD's, or over 100?
>
>Have you considered making at least one hard copy of the whole thing,
>for the sake of redundancy and for the greatest accessibility?

Not necessarily for the primary hardcopy storage - but doesn't iPhoto 
have the ability to make a pdf of a coffee table type book?

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Sam Macomber]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:05 AM, KP wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
>> the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.
>
>
>
> 1) Macs tend to have distinctive designs, so set designers and
> dressers like to use them.
>
> 2) Art directors, set designers and the like tend to be Mac users
> themselves, so using them on set comes naturally.
>
> 3) Mac users like ourselves tend to notice Macs :-) Other folks just
> notice 'computer', if they notice it at all.
>
> There's some cheesy ad on in our TV market for some antivirus/
> antispyware cleanup service claiming to make your PC faster. There are
> about 6 or 7 different stock photo and stock video shots of people
> using computers. 3/4ths of them are Macs. In fact the big disclaimer
> saying "This product is for Windows PC's Only" is displayed over a
> still shot of the last gen Mac keyboard.
>
> (before the current flat aluminum ones, the white plastic ones with
> the clear base that collects crumbs for all to see :-)


Funny, I just saw that commercial last night! 


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Re: New Mini

[Jeff Bequette]

Jeff Bequette
jbeque...@tconl.com



On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:46 AM, George Hozendorf wrote:

>
> Can I do a CCC to a second Mini without first installing the
> software?  Need do as I don't have a second keyboard; only a second
> mouse.
>
>
> Mac OS X 10.5.6
> Mac Mini 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
>
>
Isn't the mini hot swappable for keyboards?
>


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Re: MS stuff

[Jeff Bequette]

Jeff Bequette
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On Jan 9, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Ted Treen wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Apologies if this is considered to be off-topic by the mods.
>
> I frequently get emails at work (on  Windows XP system) which have,  
> as attachments, MS Word (or sometimes Excel) docs which have an  
> amusing Flash animation embedded in them.
>
> I can force them to open with BBEdit, look for a file title in the  
> gibberish & then google for it - if I find one - but I'd prefer to  
> just extract the .,swf/.flv (on the PC, if necessary) and save as a  
> stand-alone file.
>
> Anyone know how to extract the Flash video?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ted
>
These seem to work in iWork 08/Numbers.  but extraction?
> >


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Re: Time Machine Failing

[Dan]

At 7:03 PM -0500 1/8/2009, Wilton Shaw wrote:
All logs are available thru the Console app,

/Applications/Utilities/Console.app
>
>I can open the Utilities folder. I just don't find anything called 
>Console.app.

 From the Finder, open the Find window (cmd-F).  Type "console" into 
the search box and click on the "Computer" tab (by default it just 
searches your Home directory tree).  Then give it time to run. 
Eventually, it will show an "Applications" section with (hopefully) 
Console.app therein.

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Re: MS stuff

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On Jan 9, 7:56 am, Ted Treen  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Apologies if this is considered to be off-topic by the mods.

Yes, this is completely off topic on the G3-5 Low End Mac List.

This thread is closed.

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Re: New Mini

[Dan]

At 6:46 AM -0600 1/9/2009, George Hozendorf wrote:
>Can I do a CCC to a second Mini without first installing the 
>software?

Certainly!  ppc -> ppc, or x86 -> x86

Just connect the two with a firewire cable, put the new Mini in 
target disk mode, and slap a clone of your running system onto it.

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Re: Macinhack

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 5:47 AM, George Hozendorf wrote:

> Does anyone know of a successful hack to a PC laptop?  Details of the
> PC please.

There are some, peruse the hardware lists at the OSX86 project.

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Re: Time Machine Failing

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 8, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Wilton Shaw wrote:

>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> At 3:49 PM -0500 1/8/2009, Wilton Shaw wrote:
 All logs are available thru the Console app,
 /Applications/Utilities/Console.app
>>>
>>> When I proceed from Applications through Utilities I find nothing
>>> called Console.app. I'm obviously missing something.
>>
>> Have you been deleting things from the system areas?
>>
>   Not that I know of.
>
>
>> The Utilities folder lives IN the Applications folder.  You can open
>> it directly via the Finder's GO menu.
>>
>> - Dan.
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>   I can open the Utilities folder. I just don't find anything called
> Console.app.

Look for Console.

no .app.

OSX hides the .app part; you only see it if you're looking at the  
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Dan wrote:

> Definitely videotape them.  Our family's "collection"... One of the
> most important items in it is a reel-to-reel audio tape of an Aunt
> talking about an old photo - then telling a story of her childhood in
> Russia.

Garage Band makes it painfully simple (and I mean painfully...the PHB  
here figured it out on his own!) to record stuff like that. He simply  
connected the headphone output of his casette recorder to  his  
powerbook and digitized his daughters' performance at a school play  
when they were 7 or 8.

(they're in their 20's and 30's now...this was an old tape.)

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Re: Time Machine Failing

[Dan]

At 9:49 AM -0700 1/9/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>Look for Console.
>
>no .app.
>
>OSX hides the .app part; you only see it if you're looking at the
>directory in Terminal.

hum.  Good catch!

Ya'know... Sometimes it's the simplest GUI issues that can get in the 
way.  I haven't seen a Mac with the Finder preference "Show all file 
extensions" unchecked in so long - I guess I forgot that keeping them 
hidden is the default.  A bad choice, wrt security, IMO.

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Re: Time Machine Failing

[Wilton Shaw]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 7:03 PM -0500 1/8/2009, Wilton Shaw wrote:
> All logs are available thru the Console app,
>
> /Applications/Utilities/Console.app
>>
>> I can open the Utilities folder. I just don't find anything called
>> Console.app.
>
> From the Finder, open the Find window (cmd-F).  Type "console" into
> the search box and click on the "Computer" tab (by default it just
> searches your Home directory tree).  Then give it time to run.
> Eventually, it will show an "Applications" section with (hopefully)
> Console.app therein.
>
> - Dan.
> --  
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth

>
>   I opened the Find window,typed "console" into the search box, but I  
> couldn't find a "Computer" tab.

Wilton
>
> >

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:05 AM, KP  wrote:
>
> I thought all of you would appreciate seeing the G3 on the bottom of
> Car Talks web-site. http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/carbon/
>
> I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
> the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.
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I think it's serious when Amigas are shown with the folks who used them.

RIP Amiga!

Check out the frames at 2:12 and then 4:20.  That is an Amiga A2000
with a Commodore monitor ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related


Check out the celebrity scientist figures sitting around the machine then!

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Kyle Parish]

not to offend you but is Macomber a pun?

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Macomber  wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:05 AM, KP wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think it's funny that commercials' or tv programs', use Macs' for
>>> the most part.  You also see them in a lot of Movies.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Macs tend to have distinctive designs, so set designers and
>> dressers like to use them.
>>
>> 2) Art directors, set designers and the like tend to be Mac users
>> themselves, so using them on set comes naturally.
>>
>> 3) Mac users like ourselves tend to notice Macs :-) Other folks just
>> notice 'computer', if they notice it at all.
>>
>> There's some cheesy ad on in our TV market for some antivirus/
>> antispyware cleanup service claiming to make your PC faster. There are
>> about 6 or 7 different stock photo and stock video shots of people
>> using computers. 3/4ths of them are Macs. In fact the big disclaimer
>> saying "This product is for Windows PC's Only" is displayed over a
>> still shot of the last gen Mac keyboard.
>>
>> (before the current flat aluminum ones, the white plastic ones with
>> the clear base that collects crumbs for all to see :-)
>
>
> Funny, I just saw that commercial last night!
>
>
> >
>

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Kyle Parish wrote:

> not to offend you but is Macomber a pun?
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Macomber  wrote:
>>

A quick trip to the site in his email address reveals that it is not.  
Also they're the photographers for Planet Dog, a favorite dog-stuff  
mail order place of mine.

Wow, small world!

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Kyle Parish]

That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
video outside of the Mac realm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Kyle Parish wrote:
>
>> not to offend you but is Macomber a pun?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Macomber  wrote:
>>>
>
> A quick trip to the site in his email address reveals that it is not.
> Also they're the photographers for Planet Dog, a favorite dog-stuff
> mail order place of mine.
>
> Wow, small world!
>
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>
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>
>
>
> >
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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Kyle Parish]

I have never seen these Mac commercials.  Of course I do'nt watch TV
much.  Maybe you have seen them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h1VQBfLDLA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HhncO6w4Pc&feature=related

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Kyle Parish  wrote:
> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
> video outside of the Mac realm.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Bruce Johnson
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Kyle Parish wrote:
>>
>>> not to offend you but is Macomber a pun?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Macomber  wrote:

>>
>> A quick trip to the site in his email address reveals that it is not.
>> Also they're the photographers for Planet Dog, a favorite dog-stuff
>> mail order place of mine.
>>
>> Wow, small world!
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Johnson
>> University of Arizona
>> College of Pharmacy
>> Information Technology Group
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Kyle Parish wrote:

>
> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
> video outside of the Mac realm.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related



 Excellent, Smithers! We just increased the grave-turbine  
rotational speed on Sagan by 45%! He's spinning now! Heh heh heh

That is a staggeringly dishonest twisting of both Sagan's words and  
his oft-expressed beliefs.

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Kyle Parish]

You all have to see this one.   Bill Gates on Apple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvskEGWMLp4&NR=1

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Bruce Johnson
 wrote:
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, Kyle Parish wrote:
>
>>
>> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
>> video outside of the Mac realm.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related
>
>
>
>  Excellent, Smithers! We just increased the grave-turbine
> rotational speed on Sagan by 45%! He's spinning now! Heh heh heh
>
> That is a staggeringly dishonest twisting of both Sagan's words and
> his oft-expressed beliefs.
>
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>
>
>
> >
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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kyle Parish  wrote:
>
> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
> video outside of the Mac realm.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related


And from the same list;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNMicaPzFUY&feature=related

Such an "effective use of keywords!

Net "journalism" at it's best?

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Re: Macinhack

[Bruce]

George Hozendorf wrote:
> Does anyone know of a successful hack to a PC laptop?  Details of the PC 
> please.
> 
> George
===
Hello George,

Yes, 10.4 on a Dell C840 laptop:

http://thereformed.org/2007/04/25/howto-mac-osx-dell-latitude-c840-part-1/

http://thereformed.org/2007/04/27/howto-mac-osx-dell-latitude-c840-part-2/#more-104

http://thereformed.org/2007/04/30/howto-mac-osx-dell-latitude-c840-part-3/#more-105

http://thereformed.org/2007/05/01/howto-mac-osx-dell-latitude-c840-part-4/#more-106

http://thereformed.org/2007/08/04/howto-mac-osx-dell-latitude-c840-part-5/#more-111

Bruce Sugarberg

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Kyle Parish]

I am almost finished.  Bill Gates does'nt seem to be too confident in
this interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQmOmdYPKJQ&feature=related

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
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> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kyle Parish  wrote:
>>
>> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
>> video outside of the Mac realm.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related
>
>
> And from the same list;
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNMicaPzFUY&feature=related
>
> Such an "effective use of keywords!
>
> Net "journalism" at it's best?
>
> >
>

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Re: MS stuff

[Hunter Fuller]

2009/1/9 Ted Treen :
> Hi All,
>
> Apologies if this is considered to be off-topic by the mods.
>
> I frequently get emails at work (on  Windows XP system) which have, as
> attachments, MS Word (or sometimes Excel) docs which have an amusing Flash
> animation embedded in them.

If it is a .docx (.xlsx, .pptx) file then it is a zip file. Rename it
to such and open it and you will see the files inside.
>
> I can force them to open with BBEdit, look for a file title in the gibberish
> & then google for it - if I find one - but I'd prefer to just extract the
> .,swf/.flv (on the PC, if necessary) and save as a stand-alone file.
>
> Anyone know how to extract the Flash video?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ted
>
> >
>



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Re: network connection between G4 iBook and an Intel MacBook

[Jane, (Portland, OR)]

On Jan 8, 7:08 pm, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:54 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I just acquired a MacBook, but still use a G4 PowerBook and G4  
> > iBook. The MacBook has 10.5.5 and the G4's have 10.4.11
>
> > While setting up the MacBook, I wanted to get a file from the iBook.  
> > I clicked on Network, but could not find how to connect to the  
> > iBook.  I can connect FROM the PB and iBook TO the MacBook, but not  
> > the reverse. What am I doing wrong?
>
> On the Mac you're sharing FROM, go to System Preferences>Sharing and  
> check the box next to "File Sharing".
>
> On the Mac you're sharing TO, go the Finder>Go>Connect to Server...  
> and if the Mac you're sharing from isn't shown, click the "Browse"  
> button and select that Mac. If it's not shown in Browse, use either  
> the EXACT name of the Mac (normally "~user's Computer") which is shown  
> in the Sharing System Preference; OR the DHCP address of the Mac shown  
> in Network System Preferences preceded by "afp://" (ex. if your DHCP  
> was 192.168.0.199 you'd use afp://192.168.0.199).
>
> After you connect you'll be asked for a ~user name and password. Since  
> you own all these you shouldn't need to setup special sharing  
> accounts, just use the name and password for any account on the FROM  
> Mac and if it's an admin account you should have access to the entire  
> HD.
>
> Good luck!

(To keep this on this list, I can't connect to the G4 iMac, either!)
 Kris, I have File Sharing and printer sharing enabled on all the
computers. All the G4s can connect from 1 to another without any
problems. I didn't know about Go>Connect to Server...
and if the Mac you're sharing from isn't shown, click the "Browse"
button and select that Mac.> Thanks for that tip! I usually open the
hard drive and select Network. Is that option not available with 10.5?

How do you rename the computer so that it says ~user's iMac?

Jane
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Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC

[Charles Davis]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 12:45 AM, Ernest L. Gunerius wrote:
>>
big snip
>
> When I finally recovered from my monster crash of Dec 17and after an
> "Write all zeros" Erase I then installed 10.4.11 on my 250 Gig and
> partitioned my 500 Gig to 420 and 80 then realizing that the 500 Gig
> may have had physical problems I did a "Write all Zeros " erase on
> the 420 and 80.
>
> That gave me a 420 Gig and a 45 Gig. Many bad sectors on the 80 gig.
> I probably should have Nuked the whole 500 Gig and then partitioned
> but by then I was out of patience.
> Then I used used SuperDuper to do an incremental back-up on the 420
> Gig and 45 Gig. I figured from what the SuperDuper notes said that it
> would up-date all that was different on the Target. Since there was
> nothing on the the Target I thought that would mean everything on the
> 250 Gig would be moved to the Partitions.
>
> Also Part of the instructions on SuperDuper says leave the Target
> Bootable after an Incremental Up-Date.
>
> When finished I had two Bootable partitions that were clones of the
> 250 Gig drive. Now I run MacJanitor on the 250Gig  and  incrementally
> back the partitions up nightly. It takes about six minutes for about
> 9.25 Gig's with my Dual 500 GigE to increment each partition.
>
> I do have a question though.
>
> When I run MacJanitor on the 250 Gig and then Increment the other
> Volumes does the Clean-up on the 250 get properly transferred to the
> other volumes?

Since the CCC operation makes EVERYTHING identical, that would have  
to be YES.
>
> I do leave them booted all night in hope that the Cron tasks will
> clean them. But not too sure about all that.

You can only have ONE system booted on a hardware system at a time.  
That one will (may) run it's 'cron' jobs. The other one just sits  
there and does nothing  BECAUSE it isn't the running OS

  Chuck D.

> HTH,
> ErnieG
>

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Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC

[Al Poulin]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:16 AM, g3-5-list group wrote:
>
> == 2 of 4 ==
> Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 2:28 pm
> From: Charles Davis
>
> On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:37 PM, nestamicky wrote:
>>
>>
>> Al Poulin wrote:
>>
>>> I want to use a 1TB external Firewire hard drive initialized in  
>>> Apple
>>> Partition Map to make bootable clones of a PPC G4 iBook and two or
>>> three Intel Macs.  Each source machine will have its own partition  
>>> on
>>> the FW drive.  I plan to use "Incremental backup" for File level
>>> copying.
>>>
>> Your project here is perhaps the best yet use of larger harddrives
>> I've
>> seen in a short while. Most of us do file servers, but your idea
>> hear to
>> have bootable partitions of all your systems on an external HD is
>> great,
>> as it will save you so much time when something goes wrong.
>>
>> My question, and maybe Dan would pitch in, do size of the partition  
>> on
>> the machine and that on the external drive have to be the exact same?
>
> Not DAN, but my opinion anyway,
>
> The partitions need to be big enough to hold the amount of data
> involved.
>
> I.E. A  "BOOT" partition, has to include vacant space to be 'run-
> able' !!!
>  A copy (clone) if you are not going to BOOT --- THAT partition,
> doesn't need to include that space.
> BUT, to check that things took properly, and so that you CAN
> operationally boot the 'clone', you will need to have that
> 'space' (less than 10% available 'empty space', leads to operational
> problems. [Don't ask how I know])

Thank you, Charles.
You know through conventional wisdom.  Or, with small drives or  
volumes like a 40 GB drive, allow at least 7 GB of free space.

>>> Is there any utility in having a separate, bootable "universal"
>>> volume
>>> on my FW drive with its own copy of CCC?
>
> If you 'cloned' your OS partition, doesn't it include your copy of
> CCC?  It should, and when you boot that 'cloned copy' it will have
> CCC right ready there to use. [Just like you planned it!!!   ;-)]

Understood, but the CCC documentation was ambiguous as to what a "boot  
drive" is, to the point of saying to boot from a drive other than the  
boot drive.  So, having a separate bootable volume for all machines  
seemed to be a way to have that third drive.
>
>>
>>> Looking at CCC documentation for
>>> backing up "to another Macintosh on your network," it appears that
>>> this method cannot maintain a bootable clone, since the context  
>>> deals
>>> with "selected data" to a "folder."  Correct?
>>>
> That may be a problem, doing 'incremental' updates to the 'cloned'
> copy. [I think it SHOULD work.]

That seems to be an angle to try out.  I will put some mileage on this  
whole project before I attempt messing around in the root accounts to  
make this network thing work.  But only if someone can tell me that it  
WILL work.

Al Poulin


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Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC

[Dan]

At 4:17 PM -0500 1/9/2009, Al Poulin wrote:
>through conventional wisdom.  Or, with small drives or 
>volumes like a 40 GB drive, allow at least 7 GB of free space.

heh.  Ended up, um, playing with a tight-space issue today.

 From OS X's POV, ... you need room for the kernel and system caches, 
paging files (/private/var/vm/), and logging.  Room for everything 
else is optional.  IOW, you can survive with only 2 GB free.

Now, from the user's POV, if you want things to run smoothly, you 
need more.  LOL  :)


Please note that by default CCC copies everything - including the 
caches.  Not sure why the author chose to do that.  They're stale 
useless data, really.  To keep your backup a bit more trim, tell CCC 
to ignore "Library/Caches".  Notice the lack of "/" before and after 
that string - you want it to ignore all the Caches folders, in both 
the system and user areas.

- Dan.
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Re: network connection between G4 iBook and an Intel MacBook

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote:

> How do you rename the computer so that it says ~user's iMac?

No, you misunderstand. The tilde character "~" is used to indict the  
following word is a variable, meaning that "~user" is meant to  
represent whatever user account you're logging in with. In your case,  
I'd assume when you setup your Macs you used your name perhaps, so  
~user's Mac would say "Jane's iMac" perhaps. The ~user is used because  
I don't know what the name of your Mac is.

In your case, perhaps all your Macs have the same or very similar  
names. This can be a problem that OS X normally handles by numbering  
subsequent computers on the network with identical names as (2), (3),  
(4), etc. [example, if all your Macs were called "Jane's Computer"  
then you'd have "Jane's Computer", "Jane's Computer (2)", etc.]. The  
names are case sensitive, so "Jane's Computer" is different from  
"jane's computer".

> I usually open the hard drive and select Network. Is that option not  
> available with 10.5?

In 10.5 networked computers available are normally shown in the  
Toolbar under a "Shared" tab that can be expanded. If you're not  
logged in, you'd be prompted for ~user name and password to see the  
files and share them.

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Hi All,
   I very much appreciate everyone's input, comments, and information,
that they've been giving. This 'thread' is getting huge! I think I'll
do a quick re-cap of What my project is and Why I'm doing it. I am
looking to Scan and Digitally Archive the fractional remains of my
Elderly Grandmother's Photographs so they can be distributed -at a
minimum- to each of her 10 kids (9 boys and 1 girl!). Why I am doing
it is mainly because as a Capital 'P' Photographer the Visual History
of my Family is incredibly important to me, but it's not the main
reason. The main motivation is that upwards of 90% of Grandma's
Photographs were Wilfully Sent To The City Dump by her 'Current
Husband'. The Destroyed Images and Related Memorabilia actually
represented about 99% of the most important images because my
wonderful Aunt had went to great lengths a few years ago to organize
the photo's into albums devoted to specific siblings and by generation
and the like.
   The 'box' I posess is almost entirely the most recent images and
was the 'dumping' ground my aunt used for the plethora of 'bad'
landscape, travel, and plant life photos my Gardening Loving
Grandmother shot with glee. I am estimating there are at most 500
images in there with any redeeming family or genealogical value. My
Grandmother was an awful photographer, but an assiduous documenter of
vacations, holidays, and birthdays, as well as her kid's lives in
general. These images are essentially GONE. The zillion school
pictures from a plethora of relatives is GONE. All of the images of
earlier generations and their events are GONE. The ENTIRE quantity of
Memorabilia she had and that which her children entrusted her with -
clippings, badges, trophies, books, etc- is ALL GONE. This box I
temporarily have only exist because my Aunt happened to spot it atop
the trash can at the curb when she dropped by unannounced. Unannounced
visits are mostly the only way to see my Grandma because 'HE' finds
ways to prevent or delay most visits. Yes, Grandma is in a Strong
Cognitive Decline, but 'HE' has never knowingly 'Physically Harmed'
her. The cognitive decline is the only way he was able to destroy her
precious photograph collection. Absent physical or fiscal abuse the
families ability to step in is severely limited.

 Sigh.

   With this project, I am looking to be able to prevent the remaining
images from ever being able to be removed from existence by the acts
of one Bastard or the tribulations of any single disaster or event. I
am trying to prevent a 'negative'. Equally precious to me is to create
the 'positive' of bringing the images to life across the current
generation of relatives.
   This project also serves to fill my time, my mind, and my life with
good works as I struggle with current illnesses and injuries which
have taken away my ability to gainfully support myself. It is a way to
payback the support and help and LOVE of my Family in this difficult
time. :-)
   When I say Thank You to the Community in this Forum it is in a much
different context than fixing an OS issue or getting a CPU or a
Program up and running again. I am thanking you for helping with the
protection and saving of my families history. What is missing, now, of
that history is completely priceless, but you are helping to anchor
what remains against the winds of time.

Thank You.

Richard Ward
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Bruce, I have a question.

What is a 'PHB' ?

> Garage Band makes it painfully simple (and I mean painfully...the PHB  
> here figured it out on his own!) to record stuff like that. He simply  
> connected the headphone output of his casette recorder to  his  
> powerbook and digitized his daughters' performance at a school play  
> when they were 7 or 8.

-Primary Head Banger?

-The Current DOW Chemical Toxin Poisoning swaths of Michigan? a'la
PCB! :-)

Richard
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Topic: Estimated Size of the Data Set I am looking to Archive

I did some Scan Tests and some 'figuring' to get a feel for the
size of the data set I am going to be coping with after scanning this
box. It looks like there are about 500 Photographs that are 'Useful'
in any Family, Genealogical, or Aesthetic, evaluation. The majority
are NON-Archival 3.5 x 5 'Machine' prints which are actively self-
destructing due to the nature of the underlying technologies. Some of
the most recent are 4x6's and a smattering of 5x7's and 8x10's round
out the group. Ooops - I didn't mention a random assortment of Wallet
Size prints.
   I decided to err on the 'large side' and use a 'working assumption'
that the average image is a 4x6in size. This works out to 25mb when
scanned at 600 dpi and 100mb at 1200dpi (both at 24bit depth).

500 x 25mb = 12.5 gig
500 x 100mb = 50 gig

These figures came as a very happy shock to me. These figures don't
include the smaller greyscale scans of what ever 'photo backs' have
info on them, but the files will be much smaller and not agregate as
quickly and affect the final number appreciably.

I like The looks of these numbers a LOT. I am not as fearful now. I
can fit 16 gigs on 25 CDR's and a 100+ gigs on the same number of
DVDr's.

The problem is still kind of complex because my 'preliminary plan' is
ONE SET for Each of my Grandmother's TEN CHILDREN. That is 2500 discs!
OUCH.

** I have decided to Predominantly Scan at 600 dpi for those images of
low quality and 1200 dpi for those images of any meaningful resolution
or sharpness in the print. **

My Photographer's Heart makes undercutting the image files a "Future
Me" will receive from this project feel like an awful thing to do! :-)

I'll just take the 'hit' file size wise and cope with the effects it
has on the aggregate size of the file collection.

Richard

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 3:20 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote:

>
> Bruce, I have a question.
>
> What is a 'PHB' ?



Pointy-haired Boss. A ref to Dilbert.




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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 3:18 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote:

> This box I
> temporarily have only exist because my Aunt happened to spot it atop
> the trash can at the curb when she dropped by unannounced. Unannounced
> visits are mostly the only way to see my Grandma because 'HE' finds
> ways to prevent or delay most visits. Yes, Grandma is in a Strong
> Cognitive Decline, but 'HE' has never knowingly 'Physically Harmed'
> her. The cognitive decline is the only way he was able to destroy her
> precious photograph collection. Absent physical or fiscal abuse the
> families ability to step in is severely limited.


This is a classic sign of controlling behavior. Since she is in   
cognitive decline, physical and psychological abuse are very hard to  
diagnose, many municipalities have domestic violence agencies that can  
help you with this sort of thing, and make no mistake...what he did  
was domestic violence.

Personally I'd have kicked him so hard I'd have scored field goals in  
Estonia and Turkey simultaneously with his balls, that's an  
unforgivable piece of assholery.

(but I'm probably a bit sensitive. A great-aunt of mine had a similar  
vast collection of photos and genealogical information compiled about  
the family, including stuff from people who were long dead...she felt  
slighted by her sisters for some thing or another, went home and threw  
it all into the fireplace.)

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Topic: Using Hard Drives AND Optical Media to Store The Scans

   I have been focusing on Optical Media (CDR or DVDR) as a storage
medium For budgetary reasons and the need to distribute this 'Data
Set' to a minimum of 10 people and probably 20 or more if I present
and package the idea well. My Time and Talent is Free and willfully
given! but fiscally this project is on a tightrope!

  I think I've buttoned down that with the benefit of multiple copies
and geographical dispersion my use of Optical Media as a primary
'publishing' medium is going to be pretty valid. Good burning
practices, well chosen media, and testing will make for good
'statistical' duplication of the data set - I'll be butressing this by
having Each Set of Opticals well Packaged to protect from Physical
Damage and Especially LIGHT Protected because while the 'science' of
how archival Optical CD/DVD Options are is still limited, Visible
Light is a Fast Acting Disc Killer by any measure.

  I am now giving thoughts to Hard Drives and their place in this
project. I had already planned to retain a 'living' copy of this
collection in my possession on both a Hard Drive and at least 2
optical copies each on both cd & dvd respectively (optical copies
total). It has become apparent that for not very much 'real' money a
Hard Drive copy of this can also be dispersed to interested family
members for them to store with the opticals.  I think a few tech
savvier of them could be convinced to buy in to the idea. I need to
work some numbers and prices on that front.

  Please Remember I intend to give a 'hold and keep' copy to people
and a jpeg based 'user' copy to people that ought to fit on one dvd-r
or a CDr or two with no problem. :-) A careful jpeg conversion of the
tiff's should make for roughly a 90% reduction of file size based on
my initial tests. This makes the files more user friendly and
providing them ought to keep people out of the 'big ole set of TIFF
Discs' and unused opticals are the longest living opticals!

  I am also thinking about the longer term expansion of this project
via the scanning of various other family members photos in some manner
and 'adding' their files to the archive. I'm hoping this collection
might start something bigger, but the best way of making something
bigger to come of it is to get this 'small start' done, done right,
and well liked and loved. Good will and established successes are
easier to 'sell' than thoughts, theories, and hopes! :-)

Richard
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Re: Setting up External Firewire Drive for CCC

[Charles Davis]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Al Poulin wrote:

>
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 1:16 AM, g3-5-list group wrote:
>>
>> == 2 of 4 ==
>> Date: Thurs, Jan 8 2009 2:28 pm
>> From: Charles Davis
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2009, at 3:37 PM, nestamicky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Al Poulin wrote:
>>>
 I want to use a 1TB external Firewire hard drive initialized in
 Apple
 Partition Map to make bootable clones of a PPC G4 iBook and two or
 three Intel Macs.  Each source machine will have its own partition
 on
 the FW drive.  I plan to use "Incremental backup" for File level
 copying.

>>> Your project here is perhaps the best yet use of larger harddrives
>>> I've
>>> seen in a short while. Most of us do file servers, but your idea
>>> hear to
>>> have bootable partitions of all your systems on an external HD is
>>> great,
>>> as it will save you so much time when something goes wrong.
>>>
>>> My question, and maybe Dan would pitch in, do size of the partition
>>> on
>>> the machine and that on the external drive have to be the exact  
>>> same?
>>
>> Not DAN, but my opinion anyway,
>>
>> The partitions need to be big enough to hold the amount of data
>> involved.
>>
>> I.E. A  "BOOT" partition, has to include vacant space to be 'run-
>> able' !!!
>>  A copy (clone) if you are not going to BOOT --- THAT partition,
>> doesn't need to include that space.
>> BUT, to check that things took properly, and so that you CAN
>> operationally boot the 'clone', you will need to have that
>> 'space' (less than 10% available 'empty space', leads to operational
>> problems. [Don't ask how I know])
>
> Thank you, Charles.
> You know through conventional wisdom.  Or, with small drives or
> volumes like a 40 GB drive, allow at least 7 GB of free space.

That's like 16% (quick figure in head) ---   Not a bad rule to  
follow. BUT OSX will operate with less 'free' 'head-space', just not  
at normal speed, and not at all happy about things. Crunch time comes  
when you are down to the point that 'Empty Trash' won't run because  
there isn't enough space for it to keep track of what it is doing. At  
that point, you can go into 'Terminal' and 'remove' things (like  
deleted Trash, and just MAYBE recover, No guarantee that wis do-able.)
>
 Is there any utility in having a separate, bootable "universal"
 volume
 on my FW drive with its own copy of CCC?
>>
>> If you 'cloned' your OS partition, doesn't it include your copy of
>> CCC?  It should, and when you boot that 'cloned copy' it will have
>> CCC right ready there to use. [Just like you planned it!!!   ;-)]
>
> Understood, but the CCC documentation was ambiguous as to what a "boot
> drive" is, to the point of saying to boot from a drive other than the
> boot drive.  So, having a separate bootable volume for all machines
> seemed to be a way to have that third drive.

Your letting yourself be confused by 'Wintel Speak' =bootable drive =  
1st physical drive of the hardware.
Apple does things differently. Don't think 'Bootable Drive', think  
'Bootable Partition'.

And NOT limited to the first physical 'bootable whatever' the system  
comes to.

>>
>>>
 Looking at CCC documentation for
 backing up "to another Macintosh on your network," it appears that
 this method cannot maintain a bootable clone, since the context
 deals
 with "selected data" to a "folder."  Correct?

>> That may be a problem, doing 'incremental' updates to the 'cloned'
>> copy. [I think it SHOULD work.]
>
> That seems to be an angle to try out.  I will put some mileage on this
> whole project before I attempt messing around in the root accounts to
> make this network thing work.  But only if someone can tell me that it
> WILL work.
>
Ah, don't be timid!!!  There seem to be enough folk who think it  
will, to give you enough confidence to try it.
[It's only time and effort, after all.]

Chuck D.
> Al Poulin
>

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Topic: Storing Original Prints As Best Option - A Discussion

Upfront! Well Kept Prints Are By leaps and bounds this is
UNEQUIVOCABLY The Best Option!
Any and All Atempts To Explain Doing So Is Best Is To Be 'Preaching To
The Choir'.

My Photographic Skils Come Out Of Large Format Cameras And Sporting
Darkroom Tans. Give me properly processed 4x5 negatives and fibre
based prints or Cibachrome Color Prints and I'll be the Most Happy guy
around!

Having established THAT data point! :-)

I have to accept the photos in this box for what they mostly are.
CHEAP Color Prints from the late Seventies to Early Nineties. By
Definition that makes them NON-Archival. The later stuff will take a
fair bit longer to self destruct, but self destruct they will. They
have also lived a semi-rough life in the environs of my Grand Mothers
home. Loved, but not well stored or temperature protected for the most
part. The clock is ticking on these pictures.

I would like to have a Non Computer Based Solution to 'Saving' these
images and distributing them. I actually have one, but the agreggate
cost might be daunting.

I can take the Digital Files I am making and print them at the local
Professional Photo Lab we have in this town. It's actually a semi-
major player nationally and draws clients globally. I used to work
there 7 or 8 years ago. Great People. For anything beyond snapshots
EVERYTHING I need printed goes to them. Period.

They aren't overwhelmingly expensive, but their Quality is Many Orders
Of Magnitude Better than using Walgreens or Walmart or Snapfish or
Whatever.

It would likely cost 150+ dollars a copy just for each set of prints,
but I have worked out a process of using Photoshop to divide an 8x10
into 5x8 halves showing each photo and an associated data block
showing the available info for each photo.

Going this route would buy in to the absolute best printing papers and
high quality printing processes to give the longest living color
prints I am likely to reasonably encounter.

The high res scans would 'hold' more absolute photographic info, but
the prints would have the benefit of only needing photon's and
breathing people to be accessible in the future!

The good ole Mark One Eyeball. Technology Extrordinaire!

The likely availability of light and people 5-10 years from now is
statistically pretty hopeful! The certainty of cd's, dvd's, or HD's a
Decade out might be more squishy! LOL

The issue for me is that 2 sets of prints and associated appropriate
storage materials looks like a 500 dollar minimum buy in.

It is definitely a goal to have this print set, but I don't see how to
make it yet.

Richard


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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Charles Davis]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:30 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote:

>
> Topic: Storing Original Prints As Best Option - A Discussion
>
> Upfront! Well Kept Prints Are By leaps and bounds this is
> UNEQUIVOCABLY The Best Option!
> Any and All Atempts To Explain Doing So Is Best Is To Be 'Preaching To
> The Choir'.
>
> My Photographic Skils Come Out Of Large Format Cameras And Sporting
> Darkroom Tans. Give me properly processed 4x5 negatives and fibre
> based prints or Cibachrome Color Prints and I'll be the Most Happy guy
> around!

Which is why you are aware that 'photographic' (chemical/ paper/  
negative) copies have the potential to NOT lose hidden data. [Talking  
about 'granularity' of the image, for B&W, Color is a bit different,  
but still BOTH contain far more data than a 'granularity = 600 or  
1200 dpi can record.

Being satisfied with the appearance of a 4x6 at 600 dpi, is fine, IF  
that 600 dpi is derived from 1200 dpi or 2400 dpi original data. IF  
you have the higher resolution data available, you can drop quality  
all you want when you are printing, with no problem. But there is a  
limit as to how much you can enlarge things depending on the dpi  
available to you AT THAT TIME. Once you cut the dpi information,  
that's the NEW limit. Can't magically get those pixels back.
>
> Having established THAT data point! :-)
>
> I have to accept the photos in this box for what they mostly are.
> CHEAP Color Prints from the late Seventies to Early Nineties. By
> Definition that makes them NON-Archival.

But you can transfer those pics to current 'photo quality' with  
attention to using archival grade materials when appropriate.

> The later stuff will take a
> fair bit longer to self destruct, but self destruct they will. They
> have also lived a semi-rough life in the environs of my Grand Mothers
> home. Loved, but not well stored or temperature protected for the most
> part. The clock is ticking on these pictures.

Fortunately, you shouldn't be having 'Next Week' deadline problems.
>
> I would like to have a Non Computer Based Solution to 'Saving' these
> images and distributing them. I actually have one, but the agreggate
> cost might be daunting.
>
> I can take the Digital Files I am making and print them at the local
> Professional Photo Lab we have in this town. It's actually a semi-
> major player nationally and draws clients globally. I used to work
> there 7 or 8 years ago. Great People. For anything beyond snapshots
> EVERYTHING I need printed goes to them. Period.
>
> They aren't overwhelmingly expensive, but their Quality is Many Orders
> Of Magnitude Better than using Walgreens or Walmart or Snapfish or
> Whatever.

Remember, as good as you say they are, you have already 'reduced' the  
grain/pixel information.

Maybe the solution to the 'photographic reproduction' problem is as  
simple (yeah right) as locating a willing amateur photo buff, that  
still runs his own dark room, and supplying materials.
>
> It would likely cost 150+ dollars a copy just for each set of prints,
> but I have worked out a process of using Photoshop to divide an 8x10
> into 5x8 halves showing each photo and an associated data block
> showing the available info for each photo.
>
> Going this route would buy in to the absolute best printing papers and
> high quality printing processes to give the longest living color
> prints I am likely to reasonably encounter.
>
> The high res scans would 'hold' more absolute photographic info, but
> the prints would have the benefit of only needing photon's and
> breathing people to be accessible in the future!
>
> The good ole Mark One Eyeball. Technology Extrordinaire!

This was  what I was getting at with my comments about an 'archival  
system'
>
> The likely availability of light and people 5-10 years from now is
> statistically pretty hopeful! The certainty of cd's, dvd's, or HD's a
> Decade out might be more squishy! LOL

The Digital solution has the advantage of being easily searched,  
reproduced, etc.
The 'photographic method' is closer to an 'Archival solution'.
Maybe a combination (gets things into two different physical systems  
right off the bat) would answer the overall problem best.

>
> The issue for me is that 2 sets of prints and associated appropriate
> storage materials looks like a 500 dollar minimum buy in.
>
There go those darn $'s, rearing their ugly heads again!

Chuck D.

> It is definitely a goal to have this print set, but I don't see how to
> make it yet.
>
> Richard
>
>

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

Thanks for the Support and Sympathy Bruce.

I will swallow my diatribes about 'him' except to unequivocably state
he has forfeited his status as member of the Human Race. There is no
stepping back from the actions he took in this instance. Yet, it's
just one of a collection of instances.

Transatlantic Soccer Goals With His Testes is just a good start.

ccoe!

Richard

On Jan 9, 6:29 pm, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 3:18 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote:
>
> > This box I
> > temporarily have only exist because my Aunt happened to spot it atop
> > the trash can at the curb when she dropped by unannounced. Unannounced
> > visits are mostly the only way to see my Grandma because 'HE' finds
> > ways to prevent or delay most visits. Yes, Grandma is in a Strong
> > Cognitive Decline, but 'HE' has never knowingly 'Physically Harmed'
> > her. The cognitive decline is the only way he was able to destroy her
> > precious photograph collection. Absent physical or fiscal abuse the
> > families ability to step in is severely limited.
>
> This is a classic sign of controlling behavior. Since she is in  
> cognitive decline, physical and psychological abuse are very hard to  
> diagnose, many municipalities have domestic violence agencies that can  
> help you with this sort of thing, and make no mistake...what he did  
> was domestic violence.
>
> Personally I'd have kicked him so hard I'd have scored field goals in  
> Estonia and Turkey simultaneously with his balls, that's an  
> unforgivable piece of assholery.
>
> (but I'm probably a bit sensitive. A great-aunt of mine had a similar  
> vast collection of photos and genealogical information compiled about  
> the family, including stuff from people who were long dead...she felt  
> slighted by her sisters for some thing or another, went home and threw  
> it all into the fireplace.)
>
> --
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[John Callahan]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 10:10 PM -0800 1/8/2009, Paul wrote:
>> One thing that never got mentioned was how much storage this project
>> will use. Are you talking about dozens of DVD's, or over 100?
>>
>>
> - Dan.
> --  
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>

Haven't read anything in this discussion about the use of flash  
memory for archiving photographs etc. Would someone expand on this?  
Great discussion, one of the best and most informative I've seen on LEM.
>

John Callahan
jcalla...@stny.rr.com
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booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[jonas ulrich]

I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital audio
powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap. All of the ata
cards that i found either didn't support big drives or weren't bootable.
Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an external firewire drive?-Jonas

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Re: Time Machine Failing

[Wilton Shaw]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 9:49 AM -0700 1/9/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>> Look for Console.
>>
>> no .app.
>>
>> OSX hides the .app part; you only see it if you're looking at the
>> directory in Terminal.
>
> hum.  Good catch!
>
> Ya'know... Sometimes it's the simplest GUI issues that can get in the
> way.  I haven't seen a Mac with the Finder preference "Show all file
> extensions" unchecked in so long - I guess I forgot that keeping them
> hidden is the default.  A bad choice, wrt security, IMO.
>
> - Dan.
> --  
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
I thought I would try to solve my problem by repairing disk  
permissions and the disk volumes of the Time Machine Backup. The  
permissions were corrected okay, but the disk volumes failed to get  
repaired. I got a note saying that I have to erase the disk and redo  
it. Do you think this could be the reason for the backup failing?

Wilton
> >

Wilton Shaw
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Re: New Mini

[George Hozendorf]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 6:46 AM -0600 1/9/2009, George Hozendorf wrote:
>> Can I do a CCC to a second Mini without first installing the
>> software?
>
> Certainly!  ppc -> ppc, or x86 -> x86
>
> Just connect the two with a firewire cable, put the new Mini in
> target disk mode, and slap a clone of your running system onto it.
>
> - Dan.
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Thanks, Dan.  Worked perfectly.
>
>
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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital  
> audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap.  
> All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives  
> or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an  
> external firewire drive?

Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit,  
but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made  
for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use  
PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA  
Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have  
chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable  
AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the  
chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as  
Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs.


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OS9, OS X and Partitioning

[Dan A. Currie]

Hello All,

I will be giving my son my G4 MDD dual 1.25 and it will have a 160GB HDD.

I want to install OS9.2 and OSX 10.4.11 or if possible OSX 10.5 on the HDD.

I know there is a rule about partitioning the HDD so that both drives 
can be installed ... but I can not for the life of me remember what it 
was!

Something about 9 being installed on a smaller partition @%^%$#$...@!!

And there was another rule about the MDD's not recognizing all of a HDD 
above a certain ?? number.

Help would be greatly appreciated,

Dan Currie



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Re: External enclosure for sATA drive

[Steve R]

Thanks for the various links, etc. I've decided to go with a dual bay 
NAS/USB enclosure since I've got two bare SATA drives I'm taking out 
of the G5, and two enclosures would cost close to the same. Being 
able to have the drives off the desk and far enough away if the 
drives or the fans make noise is a bonus. (I'm enjoying the blessed 
silence of the iMac after sitting beside the G5 jet engine.)



Steve R

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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Vic]

On Jan 9, 8:38 am, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> (before the current flat aluminum ones, the white plastic ones with  
> the clear base that collects crumbs for all to see :-)

Yes, that's why I quit using mine (it kinda grossed me out)...
V Mabus
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

On Jan 9, 8:07 pm, Charles Davis  wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:30 PM, aussieshepsrock wrote:

Hi Chuck!

> > Topic: Storing Original Prints As Best Option - A Discussion
>
> > Upfront! Well Kept Prints Are By leaps and bounds this is
> > UNEQUIVOCABLY The Best Option!
> > Any and All Atempts To Explain Doing So Is Best Is To Be 'Preaching To
> > The Choir'.
>
> > My Photographic Skils Come Out Of Large Format Cameras And Sporting
> > Darkroom Tans. Give me properly processed 4x5 negatives and fibre
> > based prints or Cibachrome Color Prints and I'll be the Most Happy guy
> > around!
>
> Which is why you are aware that 'photographic' (chemical/ paper/
> negative) copies have the potential to NOT lose hidden data. [Talking
> about 'granularity' of the image, for B&W, Color is a bit different,
> but still BOTH contain far more data than a 'granularity = 600 or
> 1200 dpi can record.

I am still 'source material' limited here. Your arguments are
exceptionally valid and I don't dispute them in any way.

> Being satisfied with the appearance of a 4x6 at 600 dpi, is fine, IF
> that 600 dpi is derived from 1200 dpi or 2400 dpi original data.

Nice chunks of this collection have solidly visible film grain. I have
almost NO negatives to confirm this, but I suspect 110 and Disc camera
sources for some of these images. Even the ones sourced from 35mm were
either shot on horrifically bad film stock, shot with astonishingly
bad cameras, or printed quite poorly in a high volume situation -
Likely combinations of all three at once!  Blury highly visible film
grain scanned at 1200 dpi is legitimately wasting at least half the
pixels. :-) although, I do really like over scans of this type for
doing heavy duty dust, speckle, and scratch removal activity in
photoshop.

> you have the higher resolution data available, you can drop quality
> all you want when you are printing, with no problem. But there is a
> limit as to how much you can enlarge things depending on the dpi
> available to you AT THAT TIME. Once you cut the dpi information,
> that's the NEW limit. Can't magically get those pixels back.

:-) Agreed! - I also face the loss of info from the horrific printing
process these negatives experienced!

> > Having established THAT data point! :-)
>
> > I have to accept the photos in this box for what they mostly are.
> > CHEAP Color Prints from the late Seventies to Early Nineties. By
> > Definition that makes them NON-Archival.
>
> But you can transfer those pics to current 'photo quality' with
> attention to using archival grade materials when appropriate.

I am trying to put together a print process to go alongside the
digital storage arrangement.
It might be the 2nd stage of the my project.

> > The later stuff will take a
> > fair bit longer to self destruct, but self destruct they will. They
> > have also lived a semi-rough life in the environs of my Grand Mothers
> > home. Loved, but not well stored or temperature protected for the most
> > part. The clock is ticking on these pictures.
>
> Fortunately, you shouldn't be having 'Next Week' deadline problems.

:-) Agreed!  I just wanted to differentiate these prints versus the
much longer living black and white prints people might have in their
heads. Color prints, especially early high volume stuff are an
entirely different beast. Most of the Treasures in Grandma's
Collection were B&W and THEY ARE GONE.

>
>
> > I would like to have a Non Computer Based Solution to 'Saving' these
> > images and distributing them. I actually have one, but the agreggate
> > cost might be daunting.
>
> > I can take the Digital Files I am making and print them at the local
> > Professional Photo Lab we have in this town. It's actually a semi-
> > major player nationally and draws clients globally. I used to work
> > there 7 or 8 years ago. Great People. For anything beyond snapshots
> > EVERYTHING I need printed goes to them. Period.
>
> > They aren't overwhelmingly expensive, but their Quality is Many Orders
> > Of Magnitude Better than using Walgreens or Walmart or Snapfish or
> > Whatever.
>
> Remember, as good as you say they are, you have already 'reduced' the
> grain/pixel information.

The 'Reduction' of Information Argument you are presenting is Valid.
The response I'm giving is to say that the Grain of The Paper is being
used to reproduce huge film grain in minute detail. A 600 dpi scan of
Film Grain I can sometimes measure with a Ruler!

Were these prints made from ANY camera I've Used Routinely - even the
'Bad' stuff from my early days they would merit MUCH higher resolution
scans. I have a Shot on ordinary Kodak Gold shot with a K-mart Focal
Brand Wide Angle that has incredibly more detail at 8x10 than many of
these 3x5's.

I am not disparaging her Camera's or her Pictures by comparing them to
what I would have gotten from my Zeiss, my Rolleiflex, or my 4x5 from
back in my Film Days. I am factually stating that a Fuji Single Use
35mm Camera would have been a Giant ste

Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Dan]

At 8:15 PM -0500 1/9/2009, John Callahan wrote:
>Haven't read anything in this discussion about the use of flash
>memory for archiving photographs etc. Would someone expand on this?

Flash is one of the least reliable medias available.

- Dan.
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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

On Jan 9, 8:15 pm, John Callahan  wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:

Hi John!

>
> > At 10:10 PM -0800 1/8/2009, Paul wrote:
> >> One thing that never got mentioned was how much storage this project
> >> will use. Are you talking about dozens of DVD's, or over 100?
>
> > - Dan.
> > --  
> > - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth

I did a Post re: archive size - nothing definite yet. My Options on
file size, dpi variables, and potential individual file compression
usage, are not locked in place yet. I WANT to keep it to 10-15 DVD's
but still prefering CDR's at this point. Research is ongoing.

> Haven't read anything in this discussion about the use of flash  
> memory for archiving photographs etc. Would someone expand on this?  
> Great discussion, one of the best and most informative I've seen on LEM.

Excellent Question! Easily Answered!

Flash Memory IS NOT ARCHIVAL. Period!

To Over Simplify The Reason - The fast changing materials which
'flash' on and off to store the 1's and 0's are inherently unstable.
For the Memory to be quick it has to change fast, but a quickly
changing material generally doesn't resist change well. Over time the
material evolves to give an incorrect 1 or 0 or an indeterminate
answer. Compared to the volatile system ram in our mac's they last a
really flippin long time. But long term storage it isn't.

I can over personal experience of having encountered messed up files
on my CF cards that were sitting unused for a couple of months. I
usually keep em empty for quick use as needed, but a 128mb card and an
8mp dSLR is essentially an exercise in futility! The 128's sat in a
draw as soon as my 20D came on the scene!

> John Callahan

Richard
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An external HDD casing, with Firewire and DB-25 scsi

[Mullin9]

I own a iMac G4, and a beige Mac,
is there an external HDD casing, with Firewire and DB-25 SCSI,
so I hook it up to a DB25 on my Powermac 5300, and transfer my file to
an iMac, using the FW 400
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Re: G3 on Car Talk.

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kyle Parish  wrote:
>
> That's what I thought.  But that site did bring me to an interesting
> video outside of the Mac realm.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDlvANXjTYU&feature=related

_

Macomber has creationist BS links on his site?

I wonder if he knows his site has been jacked?

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Duplicate User Account

[George Hozendorf]

Is there a way to duplicate a User Account?  I'm setting up a machine  
for my girlfriend.  Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be  
easier, if possible to just duplicate my account, re-name it and  
delete a few items.  Thanks.

Mac OS X 10.5.6
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Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM


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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[jonas ulrich]

When you say that the other models will work OK, are you saying that they
won't work as well?-Jonas

On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford  wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital
> > audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap.
> > All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives
> > or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an
> > external firewire drive?
>
>
> Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit,
> but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made
> for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use
> PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA
> Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have
> chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable
> AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the
> chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as
> Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs.
>
>
> >
>

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Re: OS9, OS X and Partitioning

[jonas ulrich]

The mdd's have large drive support, they are not affected by any hard drive
limit. I am not sure though if os9 has a hd size limit. If it does you will
just need to partition using os9 and make sure that os 9 will be able to see
both partitions. Then you can install 10. Just make sure to install 9 FIRST
and do NOT format the hd using 10 because 9 won't recognize it.-Jonas

On 1/9/09, Dan A. Currie  wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I will be giving my son my G4 MDD dual 1.25 and it will have a 160GB HDD.
>
> I want to install OS9.2 and OSX 10.4.11 or if possible OSX 10.5 on the HDD.
>
> I know there is a rule about partitioning the HDD so that both drives
> can be installed ... but I can not for the life of me remember what it
> was!
>
> Something about 9 being installed on a smaller partition @%^%$#$...@!!
>
> And there was another rule about the MDD's not recognizing all of a HDD
> above a certain ?? number.
>
> Help would be greatly appreciated,
>
> Dan Currie
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[aussieshepsrock]

> Flash Memory IS NOT ARCHIVAL. Period!
>
> To Over Simplify The Reason - The fast changing materials which
> 'flash' on and off to store the 1's and 0's are inherently unstable.
> For the Memory to be quick it has to change fast, but a quickly
> changing material generally doesn't resist change well. Over time the
> material evolves to give an incorrect 1 or 0 or an indeterminate
> answer. Compared to the volatile system ram in our mac's they last a
> really flippin long time. But long term storage it isn't.

Yes, I know I muffed my analogies in that expanation, but the essence
is valid.
The method the 1's and 0's are stored is inherently unstable and the
1's and 0's don't stay as specified in a durable manner. The 'data' in
a sense evolves on it's own and can't be relied upon in a 'calendar'
based measurement of time.

Is that phrased better?

Richard
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Re: Duplicate User Account

[Clark Martin]

George Hozendorf wrote:
> Is there a way to duplicate a User Account?  I'm setting up a machine 
> for my girlfriend.  Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be 
> easier, if possible to just duplicate my account, re-name it and delete 
> a few items.  Thanks.
> 
> Mac OS X 10.5.6
> Mac Mini 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Best way is to:

Create a new account with the appropriate usernames and password

While logged under your account, copy (option-drag) your user folder 
(/Users/yourusername) into the Shared folder (/Users/Shared).

Single click on the the copy (/Users/Shared/yourusername) and press 
Command-I.  Click on the lock and authorize.  In Sharing & Permissions 
change the first entry under Name from yourusername to herusername. 
Close the Info window.

Log in under her account.

Open up the copied user folder (/Users/Shared/yourusername) and drag 
it's contents (Desktop, Documents,...) to her user folder 
(/Users/herusername).

Log out and back in again to her account.  Things should be the same as 
your account.


As a suggestion, change the desktop picture / pattern.  It's a useful 
visual cue as to who's account is up.

-- 
Clark Martin
Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"

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Re: Duplicate User Account

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/9/09 9:00 PM, "George Hozendorf"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> Is there a way to duplicate a User Account?  I'm setting up a machine for my
> girlfriend.  Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be easier, if possible
> to just duplicate my account, re-name it and delete a few items.  Thanks.
> 
>  
> Mac OS X 10.5.6
> Mac Mini 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
> Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
>  
Copy her user account to an external drive and then use the Apple Migration
assistant to import it to the new system.  It¹s an application in your
Utilities folder.  If you are able you can also boot the machine you would
like to copy from in Target disk mode and connect it with a Firewirecable
and import it as the new system sets up.

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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[jonas ulrich]

I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you think?
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

On 1/9/09, jonas ulrich  wrote:
>
> When you say that the other models will work OK, are you saying that they
> won't work as well?-Jonas
>
> On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>>
>> > I am looking for a way to get around the 128GB limit on my digital
>> > audio powermac without replacing the computer because I am cheap.
>> > All of the ata cards that i found either didn't support big drives
>> > or weren't bootable. Will it be reliable/possible to boot from an
>> > external firewire drive?
>>
>>
>> Yes. Some older Firewire enclosures (pre-2003) have the 128GB limit,
>> but all modern ones are not limited. The newest enclosures are made
>> for SATA HDs but are much more expensive than the older ones that use
>> PATA HDs unless you buy an OEM external combo unit. A few PATA
>> Firewire enclosures are not bootable, but they are rare and have
>> chipsets by Genesys Logic or Prolific. Newer ones are all bootable
>> AFAIK. Oxford chipsets are recognized as best for Macs, but the
>> chipsets used on OEM HD manufacturer's enclosure/HD units such as
>> Seagate, Maxtor, Western Digital all appear to work OK with Macs.
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>
>

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Re: Duplicate User Account

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/9/09 9:24 PM, "Clark Martin"  Broadcast into the
ether:

> 
> George Hozendorf wrote:
>> Is there a way to duplicate a User Account?  I'm setting up a machine
>> for my girlfriend.  Instead of reinventing the wheel, it would be
>> easier, if possible to just duplicate my account, re-name it and delete
>> a few items.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Mac OS X 10.5.6
>> Mac Mini 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>> Memory 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> 
> Best way is to:
> 
> Create a new account with the appropriate usernames and password
> 
> While logged under your account, copy (option-drag) your user folder
> (/Users/yourusername) into the Shared folder (/Users/Shared).
> 
> Single click on the the copy (/Users/Shared/yourusername) and press

He he.  I was going for the easy way.  Clark's way is equally as effective.

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Re: An external HDD casing, with Firewire and DB-25 scsi

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Mullin9 wrote:

> I own a iMac G4, and a beige Mac,
> is there an external HDD casing, with Firewire and DB-25 SCSI,
> so I hook it up to a DB25 on my Powermac 5300, and transfer my file to
> an iMac, using the FW 400


No, there's no case with Firewire and SCSI. Firewire cases all use  
PATA or SATA HDs, while SCSI cases all use SCSI HDs. They are  
incompatible.

You can use file sharing over any ethernet network to move files  
between these various Macs. This could be a tiny bit tricky if the  
files are large, but should be easily possible. The highest OS for the  
5300 is OS 9.1, but you should be able to file share between 9.1 and  
OS X on the these. You could also attach the files to emails and mail  
them to yourself to transfer them.

You can get a Firewire 400 PCI card for Beige if you need  
compatibility between the iMac and Beige. You can even boot the Beige  
from external FW400 HDs using XPostFacto's Helper Disk boot option,  
which also eliminates three big problems of the Beige: 1) the 1st 8 GB  
partition for OS X in not required for FW HDs 2) the 128 GB HD limit  
does not apply to FW HDs 3) FW400 bus is almost twice as fast as the  
internal Apple ATA33 bus, and a cheaper alternative to ATA133 PCI  
cards that can only run at ATA66 speed in the Beige.


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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:25 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:

> I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you  
> think? 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

It's always a crapshoot on cheap cases with unknown chipsets. Perhaps  
you can dig around the web and find what chipsets these use. I've had  
really bad luck with generic dual FW400/USB2 cases. Normally I get one  
with an Oxford chipset for the Firewire, but then the USB 2.0 has not  
worked at all. I've had at least two different cases with Oxford  
Firewire chipsets (which always work perfect for me), that have had  
completely non-functional USB 2.0. One had the ALi M5621 chipset. One  
had other brand, perhaps Prolific that didn't work for me. OWC has  
models guaranteed to work with Macs.


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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[jonas ulrich]

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/NP35FW/
Is this a good drive case to buy?
-Jonas

On 1/9/09, Kris Tilford  wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2009, at 11:25 PM, jonas ulrich wrote:
>
> > I just found this case on ebay. says its for mac/pc what do you
> > think?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-1394-FIREWIRE-HD-ENCLOSURE-CASE-BLACK_W0QQitemZ5127087778QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Drives_Storage_Internal?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
>
>
> It's always a crapshoot on cheap cases with unknown chipsets. Perhaps
> you can dig around the web and find what chipsets these use. I've had
> really bad luck with generic dual FW400/USB2 cases. Normally I get one
> with an Oxford chipset for the Firewire, but then the USB 2.0 has not
> worked at all. I've had at least two different cases with Oxford
> Firewire chipsets (which always work perfect for me), that have had
> completely non-functional USB 2.0. One had the ALi M5621 chipset. One
> had other brand, perhaps Prolific that didn't work for me. OWC has
> models guaranteed to work with Macs.
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Where do I learn.... becomes "archiving files and images- the future"

[Ralph Green]

On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 21:21 -0800, aussieshepsrock wrote:
> The method the 1's and 0's are stored is inherently unstable and the
> 1's and 0's don't stay as specified in a durable manner. The 'data' in
> a sense evolves on it's own and can't be relied upon in a 'calendar'
> based measurement of time.
> 
> Is that phrased better?
> 
Howdy,
  The way I would say it is that Flash memory stores bits as voltages
for a bunch of memory cells.  The voltage decays over time and so Flash
memory is not suitable for archival.  If you want to get a little more
technical, most Flash memory these days is MLC where each memory cell
represents 2 or 3 bits of storage.  MLC is even worse to consider for
archival, because even smaller voltage drops will change the value that
is represented in the memory cell.
Good luck,
Ralph 


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Re: booting off firewire drive possible/reliable??

[Ralph Green]

On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 23:03 -0800, jonas ulrich wrote:
> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/NP35FW/
> 
> 
> Is this a good drive case to buy?
> -Jonas

Howdy,
 It should work well with the Mac and it looks OK.  I see that it is
designed for IDE drives.  I'd look for a case that can handle sata
drives, unless you had particular IDE drives you want to use.  IDE
drives may be hard to find in a couple of years.
 I personally like cases that are a little bigger and have a built in
power supply.  But, that is my taste and yours may differ.
Have a good day,
Ralph


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