Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[Kris Tilford]

>>> At 7:16 PM -0700 4/10/2009, M. Hammad wrote:

>>> I use a G4 MDD all day (10 hours) without any issues. OS 10.4.11
>>> Since I've updated iTunes to 8.1 (& now 8.1.1), I have a severe
>>> slowdown of the Finder after I listen to 3 or 4 Podcasts (each about
>>> 30MB). It seems that the Finder loses control of the memory. I  
>>> cannot
>>> get back to the Finder or Dock but Firefox continues to function
>>> normally
>>> I tried all that came to mind but found no other solution but  
>>> reboot.
>>> Regular iTunes music does not seem to affect the Finder. Even for
>>> hours. But Podcasts do.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate any suggestions. I tried Onyx with a Restart. A
>>> simple Restart achieves the same result.
>>
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Dan wrote:

>> What does the Finder crash log say?

On Apr 11, 2009, at 12:18 AM, M. Hammad wrote:

> Finder does not crash. When I move the mouse to the Desktop, iTunes
> remains active. The Dock remains invisible. I simply cannot do other
> tasks.

Reinstall iTunes from here:


If this behavior continues, look in Activity Monitor to see what's  
happening.

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Re: HELP!

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, McGrude wrote:
>
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > I'm surprised that you didn't suggest that his G5 is both dead and
> > alive at the same time.
>
> What? he's got a cat in there?? Well THERE'S the problem :-P
>
> --__
>

What about the radioactive material? That'd scramble it.

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Re: Beige G3, fitted with B/W Lobo

[Ken Daggett]

On 10 Apr 2009, at 22:38:40 PDT, Mullin9 wrote:

> I have a G3 266 Beige, with fried LoBo,
> and the working LoBo Pulled from the PowerMac G3 Blue n White,
> Will it fit in the G3 Beige casing,?

Shoehorn, rubber hammer, apply freely.

Ken
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Re: mirror a drive

[Brian Christmas]

G'day again listers.

New problem.

To ensure that the HP printer was causing the problem we re-installed  
it on AppleTalk. Sure enough the server access slowed down again.

Un-installed printer - still slow
Turned off AppleTalk - still slow
Re-booted - still slow.

What on earth is going on, is there perhaps a preferences file causing  
this?

Any ideas welcome, we're at wits end.

Regards

Santa




On 11/04/2009, at 3:33 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 2:44 AM +1000 4/11/2009, Brian Christmas wrote:
>>
>> Situation:  a mail room getting HEAPS of artwork that has to be
>> printed on a tight turnaround time schedule. 30-40 emails per hour.
>> The email and art has to be date/time stamped and archived to the mac
>> AND the server on a network.
>
> Won't help you right now, but the guys developing Dropbox have
> indicated they'll eventually do some p2p (direct peer to peer) sync.
> With that you could create "mirrored" folders on each system
> involved.  ...Right now, Dropbox only syncs to/from their servers
> with an encrypted Amazon S3 cloud backing-store.
>
>> Latest situation in last hour. We've compared the performance of the
>> power mac to my iMac 8000 miles away (I'm the author of the
>> Applescript handling the printing/saving) and discovered that the end
>> user had a HP laser running on his power mac using AppleTalk. We
>> removed the printer, turned AppleTalk off (and set to automatic) and
>> now the server is nearly as fast as the external drive. We can turn
>> AppleTalk back on, and still maintain the speed as long as the  
>> printer
>> is removed from the printer list.
>>
>> New Question.  Can we do anything to use this printer and maintain
>> speed?
>
> Try switch the printer to use IPP instead of AppleTalk.
>
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >
>


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Beige G3, fitted with B/W Lobo

[Mullin9]

Dear Sir
I have a G3 266 Beige, with fried LoBo,
and the working LoBo Pulled from the PowerMac G3 Blue n White,
Will it fit in the G3 Beige casing,?


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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[M. Hammad]

Finder does not crash. When I move the mouse to the Desktop, iTunes  
remains active. The Dock remains invisible. I simply cannot do other  
tasks.


Mo Hammad
San Diego, CA 92117




On Apr 10, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 7:16 PM -0700 4/10/2009, M. Hammad wrote:
>> I use a G4 MDD all day (10 hours) without any issues. OS 10.4.11
>> Since I've updated iTunes to 8.1 (& now 8.1.1), I have a severe
>> slowdown of the Finder after I listen to 3 or 4 Podcasts (each about
>> 30MB). It seems that the Finder loses control of the memory. I cannot
>> get back to the Finder or Dock but Firefox continues to function
>> normally
>> I tried all that came to mind but found no other solution but reboot.
>> Regular iTunes music does not seem to affect the Finder. Even for
>> hours. But Podcasts do.
>>
>> I would appreciate any suggestions. I tried Onyx with a Restart. A
>> simple Restart achieves the same result.
>
> What does the Finder crash log say?
>
> - Dan.
> -- 
> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth
>
> >


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Re: (Re)Building a G4 with Several PCI Cards

[Dan]

At 9:01 PM -0400 4/10/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Dan wrote:
>  > At 3:34 PM -0400 4/10/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>>>
>>>  I decided to try a replacement mobo.
>>
>>  Probably for the best.  You don't know what'all got damaged when
>>  Murphy slapped you with that lightning.  Over the years, I've had a
>>  few machines that seemed ok at first, just a blown port, but then
>>  they started getting flaky...
>
>Any favorite links on tips on replacing the motherboard in a QS 2002 
>Dual 1GHz?

Just Be Properly Grounded.

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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[Dan]

At 7:16 PM -0700 4/10/2009, M. Hammad wrote:
>I use a G4 MDD all day (10 hours) without any issues. OS 10.4.11
>Since I've updated iTunes to 8.1 (& now 8.1.1), I have a severe 
>slowdown of the Finder after I listen to 3 or 4 Podcasts (each about 
>30MB). It seems that the Finder loses control of the memory. I cannot 
>get back to the Finder or Dock but Firefox continues to function 
>normally
>I tried all that came to mind but found no other solution but reboot.
>Regular iTunes music does not seem to affect the Finder. Even for 
>hours. But Podcasts do.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions. I tried Onyx with a Restart. A
>simple Restart achieves the same result.

What does the Finder crash log say?

- Dan.
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Re: HELP!

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Mike Baker wrote:

> It sounds like a power supply failure.

Yes. My G5 (dual 2.3 early 2005) was very similar syptoms to this when  
its power supply failed. I tested the line voltages with a multimeter  
after finding a pinout diagram, and about 1/2 my lines were dead. I  
bullied Apple into a free replacement, but I doubt you'll have such  
luck if it is your power supply. Someone on LEM-Swap was selling a G5  
power supply a week or so ago. They are not cheap.

Good luck!


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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[joe]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>> At 1:56 PM -0500 4/10/2009, joe wrote:
>>> "We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes
>>> component is not installed. (-42403)"
>>>
>>> I expect re-installing iTunes will do it
>>
>> Yes.  Googling finds a number of people have experienced this exact
>> error, and it was fixed by re-installing iTunes.  The problem seems
>> to be a corrupted update.  Very bad design, that Apple doesn't check
>> things such as this, before installing.
>
> The version provided by Software Update comes as 4 separate packages;
> AppleMobileDeviceSupport.pkg, CoreFP.pkg, iTunesAccess.pkg, and
> iTunesX.pkg. If one package was missing or not installed correctly,
> that would probably be a "required component". I don't understand why
> Software Update would offer a 4 package version when the Apple iTunes
> site has a single package version?


Thanks for the info.  That does seem weird. In the future, I may just  
forgo the Software Update of iTunes and just reinstall the whole thing.
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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[M. Hammad]

I use a G4 MDD all day (10 hours) without any issues. OS 10.4.11
Since I've updated iTunes to 8.1 (& now 8.1.1), I have a severe  
slowdown of the Finder after I listen to 3 or 4 Podcasts (each about  
30MB). It seems that the Finder loses control of the memory. I cannot  
get back to the Finder or Dock but Firefox continues to function  
normally
I tried all that came to mind but found no other solution but reboot.
Regular iTunes music does not seem to affect the Finder. Even for  
hours. But Podcasts do.

I would appreciate any suggestions. I tried Onyx with a Restart. A  
simple Restart achieves the same result.


Mo Hammad
San Diego, CA 92117




On Apr 10, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>> At 1:56 PM -0500 4/10/2009, joe wrote:
>>> "We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes
>>> component is not installed. (-42403)"
>>>
>>> I expect re-installing iTunes will do it
>>
>> Yes.  Googling finds a number of people have experienced this exact
>> error, and it was fixed by re-installing iTunes.  The problem seems
>> to be a corrupted update.  Very bad design, that Apple doesn't check
>> things such as this, before installing.
>
> The version provided by Software Update comes as 4 separate packages;
> AppleMobileDeviceSupport.pkg, CoreFP.pkg, iTunesAccess.pkg, and
> iTunesX.pkg. If one package was missing or not installed correctly,
> that would probably be a "required component". I don't understand why
> Software Update would offer a 4 package version when the Apple iTunes
> site has a single package version?
>
>
> >


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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote:

> At 1:56 PM -0500 4/10/2009, joe wrote:
>> "We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes
>> component is not installed. (-42403)"
>>
>> I expect re-installing iTunes will do it
>
> Yes.  Googling finds a number of people have experienced this exact
> error, and it was fixed by re-installing iTunes.  The problem seems
> to be a corrupted update.  Very bad design, that Apple doesn't check
> things such as this, before installing.

The version provided by Software Update comes as 4 separate packages;  
AppleMobileDeviceSupport.pkg, CoreFP.pkg, iTunesAccess.pkg, and  
iTunesX.pkg. If one package was missing or not installed correctly,  
that would probably be a "required component". I don't understand why  
Software Update would offer a 4 package version when the Apple iTunes  
site has a single package version?


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Re: (Re)Building a G4 with Several PCI Cards

[insightinmind]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 3:34 PM -0400 4/10/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>>
>> I decided to try a replacement mobo.
>
> Probably for the best.  You don't know what'all got damaged when
> Murphy slapped you with that lightning.  Over the years, I've had a
> few machines that seemed ok at first, just a blown port, but then
> they started getting flaky...


Any favorite links on tips on replacing the motherboard in a QS 2002  
Dual 1GHz?

I have Service Source Power Mac G4/Macintosh Server G4 ...

Took apart a Yikes! completely for cleaning, so I feel I'm part way  
there.

Bill Connelly
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Re: question about data recovery from my Power Book: anything tricky with eSATA?

[Anne Brataas]

Thanks much for guiding my new and reformed ways of backup; I'm doing  
everything you say. Belts and suspenders, mulitple formats, multiple  
places. All files created equal.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Anne Brataas wrote:
>
>> I need advice on:
>>
>> 1. using eSATA  to get files back from the data recovery folk. My
>> beloved 12-inch Powerbook G4, 1.5 GHZ, 1.25  GB, suffered disk
>> failure--confirmed at the Apple store. DOA, unbootable by them.
>> Normally I wouldn't even entertain data recovery pros. I back up all
>> my client work multiple places... OK, so I lost the family photos.
>>
>> Well, KrollOnTrack  found them, 100%. The evaluation and getting an
>> index of what they recovered has been free: due to referral from  
>> Apple
>> Store, they said. They're going to sell my files back to me. Are  
>> there
>> any tricks to using the 160/USB Gig eSATA drive they propose using?  
>> Do
>> I need a special cable? Which one? Can it become a Time Machine
>> drive-- it will have ~80 GB open--and I'm upgrading a Tiger MacBook  
>> to
>> Leopard soon.
>
>
> Well is it USB or eSATA? If it's both (likely) all you need is an
> ordinary USB cable. You will need to copy those files to a new drive
> or drives to use the disk you get as a Time Machine drive, as Time
> Machine takes over the whole volume.
>
>> I plan to back up the photos  from the eSATA multiple places, one
>> being my  3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB/500 GB iMac, and the other
>> my Quick Silver 1 GHZ dual (2002)/1.25 GB/128 GB [its disk failed the
>> same month as the PowerBook's, but it was fully backed up, I
>> replaced the QS disk with a 160 GB Seagate Barracuda, didn't
>> partition, should I--can I get all 160 GB then?].
>>
>> 2. Do I want a bundle of DVDs instead?
>
> No, you want a bundle of DVDs *as well*. multiple backups, and have a
> set off-site. I regularly back up my iPhoto collection to DVD, and
> have a copy at work as well as at my Mom's house.
>
> This is in addition to the Time Machine volume connected to my Mac,
> and the subset of the collection on my laptop...
>
> Ditto for my iTunes music; at least the paid stuff.
>
>> 3. I've heard just 38 screws and a new hard drive stand between me  
>> and
>> a renewed PowerBook. The Apple folk want ~$350 for this feat. I'm not
>> tremendously dexterous, nor do I actually need another computer  
>> (want,
>> of course!). Should I: a. try it myself? b. wait for my children to
>> get a few years older (walking, at least) and have them do it? c.  
>> find
>> another way to secure a new disk in an old and noble computer?
>
>
> Clear and easy to follow directions are here 
> Look in the Mac Guides section.
>
> Anyone who is reasonably dextrous, meticulous about following
> directions, and able to keep track of very small parts can do this.
>
>
> -- 
> Bruce Johnson
> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
> Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
>
>
>
> >


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Re: question about data recovery from my Power Book: anything tricky with eSATA?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Anne Brataas wrote:

> I need advice on:
>
> 1. using eSATA  to get files back from the data recovery folk. My
> beloved 12-inch Powerbook G4, 1.5 GHZ, 1.25  GB, suffered disk
> failure--confirmed at the Apple store. DOA, unbootable by them.
> Normally I wouldn't even entertain data recovery pros. I back up all
> my client work multiple places... OK, so I lost the family photos.
>
> Well, KrollOnTrack  found them, 100%. The evaluation and getting an
> index of what they recovered has been free: due to referral from Apple
> Store, they said. They're going to sell my files back to me. Are there
> any tricks to using the 160/USB Gig eSATA drive they propose using? Do
> I need a special cable? Which one? Can it become a Time Machine
> drive-- it will have ~80 GB open--and I'm upgrading a Tiger MacBook to
> Leopard soon.


Well is it USB or eSATA? If it's both (likely) all you need is an  
ordinary USB cable. You will need to copy those files to a new drive  
or drives to use the disk you get as a Time Machine drive, as Time  
Machine takes over the whole volume.

> I plan to back up the photos  from the eSATA multiple places, one
> being my  3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB/500 GB iMac, and the other
> my Quick Silver 1 GHZ dual (2002)/1.25 GB/128 GB [its disk failed the
> same month as the PowerBook's, but it was fully backed up, I
> replaced the QS disk with a 160 GB Seagate Barracuda, didn't
> partition, should I--can I get all 160 GB then?].
>
> 2. Do I want a bundle of DVDs instead?

No, you want a bundle of DVDs *as well*. multiple backups, and have a  
set off-site. I regularly back up my iPhoto collection to DVD, and  
have a copy at work as well as at my Mom's house.

This is in addition to the Time Machine volume connected to my Mac,  
and the subset of the collection on my laptop...

Ditto for my iTunes music; at least the paid stuff.

> 3. I've heard just 38 screws and a new hard drive stand between me and
> a renewed PowerBook. The Apple folk want ~$350 for this feat. I'm not
> tremendously dexterous, nor do I actually need another computer (want,
> of course!). Should I: a. try it myself? b. wait for my children to
> get a few years older (walking, at least) and have them do it? c. find
> another way to secure a new disk in an old and noble computer?


Clear and easy to follow directions are here   
Look in the Mac Guides section.

Anyone who is reasonably dextrous, meticulous about following  
directions, and able to keep track of very small parts can do this.


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Re: Next problem migrating from G4 Tiger to Mini Leopard

[Al Poulin]

On Apr 9, 7:45 pm, Wendell Mendell  wrote:
> I posted earlier about  migrating user accounts from my G4 Sawtooth,  
> running 10.4.11 to my new Mini running Leopard.  I solved my first  
> problem by buying a 800/400 Firewire cable and now can bring up the  
> Sawtooth in target mode.  However
>
> I have two hard disks in the G4, and my system is on Device 2.  
> Target mode only mounts Device 1 on the Desktop of the Mini

This happened to me with my G4 Quicksilver with two disk drives, my
primary drive running 10.3.9 Panther.  Making the QS the target from a
then new G4 iBook running Tiger and then from an aluminum iMac running
Leopard gave me only the three volumes on my secondary QS drive.  My
work around was to be running the Quicksilver and making the new
machines the target.  I was able to do the quick transfers of the
Users folder.  Migration Assistant was useless.  I copied my email
folders to the desktop of the new machines along with the mail
preferences, as previously described in an earlier thread.
http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/aabee6132bfc9e3e?hl=en
Then I imported the old mail into the new machines' Mail, along with
the preferences which gave me the email accounts.   I also captured my
Safari bookmarks from the old preferences.

Thinking back on this, I probably could have copied the Users folder
from the QS primary drive to one of the secondary drive's volumes and
let the new machines use the secondary volume.

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question about data recovery from my Power Book: anything tricky with eSATA?

[Anne Brataas]

Dear Learned Community,

This is my first post here, but I've enjoyed reading you for a few  
months or more--learned tons, thanks all.

I need advice on:

1. using eSATA  to get files back from the data recovery folk. My  
beloved 12-inch Powerbook G4, 1.5 GHZ, 1.25  GB, suffered disk  
failure--confirmed at the Apple store. DOA, unbootable by them.
Normally I wouldn't even entertain data recovery pros. I back up all  
my client work multiple places... OK, so I lost the family photos.

Well, KrollOnTrack  found them, 100%. The evaluation and getting an  
index of what they recovered has been free: due to referral from Apple  
Store, they said. They're going to sell my files back to me. Are there  
any tricks to using the 160/USB Gig eSATA drive they propose using? Do  
I need a special cable? Which one? Can it become a Time Machine  
drive-- it will have ~80 GB open--and I'm upgrading a Tiger MacBook to  
Leopard soon.

I plan to back up the photos  from the eSATA multiple places, one  
being my  3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB/500 GB iMac, and the other  
my Quick Silver 1 GHZ dual (2002)/1.25 GB/128 GB [its disk failed the  
same month as the PowerBook's, but it was fully backed up, I  
replaced the QS disk with a 160 GB Seagate Barracuda, didn't  
partition, should I--can I get all 160 GB then?].

2. Do I want a bundle of DVDs instead?


3. I've heard just 38 screws and a new hard drive stand between me and  
a renewed PowerBook. The Apple folk want ~$350 for this feat. I'm not  
tremendously dexterous, nor do I actually need another computer (want,  
of course!). Should I: a. try it myself? b. wait for my children to  
get a few years older (walking, at least) and have them do it? c. find  
another way to secure a new disk in an old and noble computer?



Thanks!

Best,

Anne

Anne Brataas, M.S., M.En.S.
President
The Story Laboratory
Science Writing & Curriculum Development
St. Paul, Minnesota 55102


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Re: HELP!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, McGrude wrote:

>
> Bruce,
>
> I'm surprised that you didn't suggest that his G5 is both dead and
> alive at the same time.

What? he's got a cat in there?? Well THERE'S the problem :-P

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Re: HELP!

[Peter]

You are wrong.

Peter M. 



Sent with my mobile device

-Original Message-
From: Kyle Hansen 

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:07:16 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: HELP!


On 4/10/09 1:56 PM, "Mel"  Broadcast into the ether:

> Regardless of what happens, invest in an external case and use CCC or
> equivalent to back up everything.
> 
> Mel
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> From: Bruce Johnson 
>> Subject: Re: HELP!
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:48 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, schrödinger's cat wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 

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Re: HELP!

[Kyle Hansen]

On 4/10/09 1:56 PM, "Mel"  Broadcast into the ether:

> Regardless of what happens, invest in an external case and use CCC or
> equivalent to back up everything.
> 
> Mel
> 
> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> From: Bruce Johnson 
>> Subject: Re: HELP!
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:48 PM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, schrödinger's cat wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 

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Re: HELP!

[Mel]

Regardless of what happens, invest in an external case and use CCC or 
equivalent to back up everything.  

Mel

--- On Fri, 4/10/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

From: Bruce Johnson 
Subject: Re: HELP!
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 1:48 PM



On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, schrödinger's cat wrote:



>
> i left it unplugged for 20 min to cool down.  when i plugged the power
> cord back in and tried to start up, no chime, the power LED indicator
> on the front panel lit dimly for a few seconds, then flickered rapidly
> between normal brightness and dim, then came on full brightness, and
> after a few more seconds, a screen i have never seen on a mac
> appeared.  it looked similar to an old DOS boot screen.  it had some
> info about the machine, and a blinking cursor on a command line with a
> simple carat (>), and instructions to type either "mac-boot" or "shut-
> down" and hit return.

The system booted right into Open Firmware. This is a Not Good sign.

>  i've put the original system disc in the DVD drive, and
> it spins up for a few minutes, then ultimately spins down and self-
> ejects the disc.  it's done this three times now.

Before you go any further, Open it up and unplug the hard drive data  
cable.

Unplug the Optical drive data cable, and start it up. Hold down  
command-option-p-r and let it bong three times, then let it boot. If  
what happened is what I suspect happened (NVRAM is corrupted) it  
should go to the flashing question mark, but in a more normal sequence.

If it does, shut it down and retry booting.

If it still fails, yank the hard drive and test it on another system  
to see if it's scrambled or not.

One of these  will work very well for this purpose. If the drive comes up and  
Disk Utility on the other Mac recognizes it, do a repair. If it says  
that it is ok, or only had minor problems, the issue may be a hardware  
failure on the G5.

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Re: HELP!

[Mike Baker]

It sounds like a power supply failure.

--- On Fri, 4/10/09, schrödinger's cat  wrote:


From: schrödinger's cat 
Subject: HELP!
To: "G3-5 List" 
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 4:21 PM



hi all,

newbie to this group.  have a 2004 G5/1.8 DP all stock except 4 x 1GB
RAM and second HD.  isolated stand-alone machine not connected to LAN
or internet.  has run in this configuration flawlessly since i bought
it in 2004.  today while executing a command on video file, something
i've done hundreds of times before, the processor fans began spinning
up to levels that had never been reached before, and when i tried to
move the mouse, the cursor was frozen in place.  as the fans continued
to accelerate, i yanked the power plug.

i left it unplugged for 20 min to cool down.  when i plugged the power
cord back in and tried to start up, no chime, the power LED indicator
on the front panel lit dimly for a few seconds, then flickered rapidly
between normal brightness and dim, then came on full brightness, and
after a few more seconds, a screen i have never seen on a mac
appeared.  it looked similar to an old DOS boot screen.  it had some
info about the machine, and a blinking cursor on a command line with a
simple carat (>), and instructions to type either "mac-boot" or "shut-
down" and hit return.  i typed mac-boot and hit return, and got a
white screen that lasted 10 minutes before i manually shut it down
again by hitting the front power button.  i went thru this over and
over, 6-7 times.  twice the chime sounded, but cut off abruptly and
uncharacteristically in mid-chime.  same end result.  the most recent
time, it sat with the white screen for several minutes, then i got the
blinking system folder/question mark icon on the screen and it won't
go further.  i've put the original system disc in the DVD drive, and
it spins up for a few minutes, then ultimately spins down and self-
ejects the disc.  it's done this three times now.

WTF happened?  what do i do now?

TIA to all who reply.

john





  
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Re: HELP!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> Unplug the Optical drive data cable, and start it up. Hold down
> command-option-p-r and let it bong three times, then let it boot. If
> what happened is what I suspect happened (NVRAM is corrupted) it
> should go to the flashing question mark, but in a more normal  
> sequence.
>
> If it does, shut it down and retry booting.

Bleah, I mean "If it does, plug in the drives again, and retry booting."

Teach me to do three things at once...

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Re: HELP!

[McGrude]

Bruce,

I'm surprised that you didn't suggest that his G5 is both dead and
alive at the same time.

 - Mike

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Re: HELP!

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:21 PM, schrödinger's cat wrote:



>
> i left it unplugged for 20 min to cool down.  when i plugged the power
> cord back in and tried to start up, no chime, the power LED indicator
> on the front panel lit dimly for a few seconds, then flickered rapidly
> between normal brightness and dim, then came on full brightness, and
> after a few more seconds, a screen i have never seen on a mac
> appeared.  it looked similar to an old DOS boot screen.  it had some
> info about the machine, and a blinking cursor on a command line with a
> simple carat (>), and instructions to type either "mac-boot" or "shut-
> down" and hit return.

The system booted right into Open Firmware. This is a Not Good sign.

>  i've put the original system disc in the DVD drive, and
> it spins up for a few minutes, then ultimately spins down and self-
> ejects the disc.  it's done this three times now.

Before you go any further, Open it up and unplug the hard drive data  
cable.

Unplug the Optical drive data cable, and start it up. Hold down  
command-option-p-r and let it bong three times, then let it boot. If  
what happened is what I suspect happened (NVRAM is corrupted) it  
should go to the flashing question mark, but in a more normal sequence.

If it does, shut it down and retry booting.

If it still fails, yank the hard drive and test it on another system  
to see if it's scrambled or not.

One of these  will work very well for this purpose. If the drive comes up and  
Disk Utility on the other Mac recognizes it, do a repair. If it says  
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HELP!

[schrödinger's cat]

hi all,

newbie to this group.  have a 2004 G5/1.8 DP all stock except 4 x 1GB
RAM and second HD.  isolated stand-alone machine not connected to LAN
or internet.  has run in this configuration flawlessly since i bought
it in 2004.  today while executing a command on video file, something
i've done hundreds of times before, the processor fans began spinning
up to levels that had never been reached before, and when i tried to
move the mouse, the cursor was frozen in place.  as the fans continued
to accelerate, i yanked the power plug.

i left it unplugged for 20 min to cool down.  when i plugged the power
cord back in and tried to start up, no chime, the power LED indicator
on the front panel lit dimly for a few seconds, then flickered rapidly
between normal brightness and dim, then came on full brightness, and
after a few more seconds, a screen i have never seen on a mac
appeared.  it looked similar to an old DOS boot screen.  it had some
info about the machine, and a blinking cursor on a command line with a
simple carat (>), and instructions to type either "mac-boot" or "shut-
down" and hit return.  i typed mac-boot and hit return, and got a
white screen that lasted 10 minutes before i manually shut it down
again by hitting the front power button.  i went thru this over and
over, 6-7 times.  twice the chime sounded, but cut off abruptly and
uncharacteristically in mid-chime.  same end result.  the most recent
time, it sat with the white screen for several minutes, then i got the
blinking system folder/question mark icon on the screen and it won't
go further.  i've put the original system disc in the DVD drive, and
it spins up for a few minutes, then ultimately spins down and self-
ejects the disc.  it's done this three times now.

WTF happened?  what do i do now?

TIA to all who reply.

john

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Re: (Re)Building a G4 with Several PCI Cards

[Dan]

At 3:34 PM -0400 4/10/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>
>I decided to try a replacement mobo.

Probably for the best.  You don't know what'all got damaged when 
Murphy slapped you with that lightning.  Over the years, I've had a 
few machines that seemed ok at first, just a blown port, but then 
they started getting flaky...

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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[joe]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 1:56 PM -0500 4/10/2009, joe wrote:
>> "We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes
>> component is not installed. (-42403)"
>>
>> I expect re-installing iTunes will do it
>
> Yes.  Googling finds a number of people have experienced this exact
> error, and it was fixed by re-installing iTunes.  The problem seems
> to be a corrupted update.  Very bad design, that Apple doesn't check
> things such as this, before installing.


Yep--that did it.

I was finally able to download and re-install iTunes, and it just  
asked for my password once to verify that my computer is authorized.   
Now it's playing purchased music.


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Re: (Re)Building a G4 with Several PCI Cards

[insightinmind]

The current arrangement seems to be working with the ATI Radeon  
9800Pro: just using the 2 PCI cards 1. M-Audio and 2. Rosewill NIC.  
Set it up with the GeForce4 MX installed.

I pushed the CUDA once when installing the ATI card, waited a few  
minutes, put in the power, and did cmd/opt/p/r for a second chime.

Good results.

Nevertheless ...

I decided to try a replacement mobo.

en route ...


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Re: Display Options with Beige G3?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

>
> William Hatchell wrote:
>> I've always used a large, heavy Apple CRT with my Beige G3 Minitower.
>> Are there any other display options?  Are the early Apple LCD  
>> displays
>> compatible, and if so, what extra cables, adapters, etc. are needed?
>> Thanks!
>
> No, AFAIK all the early Apple CRTs used Apple's ADC connector.  This
> uses 28V power not available on your G3.

The very first Apple LCD's used VGA connectors, and will work  
perfectly well on that Beige with a Mac- VGA adapter, I've done it.

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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[Dan]

At 1:56 PM -0500 4/10/2009, joe wrote:
>"We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes 
>component is not installed. (-42403)"
>
>I expect re-installing iTunes will do it

Yes.  Googling finds a number of people have experienced this exact 
error, and it was fixed by re-installing iTunes.  The problem seems 
to be a corrupted update.  Very bad design, that Apple doesn't check 
things such as this, before installing.

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Re: Display Options with Beige G3?

[PeterH]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

> I'd just use a VGA LCD.  You may need a VGA adapter, depending on your
> video board.  You can get a 17" monitor for under $100 if you shop  
> around.

19/20" SVGA LCD displays are so competitively priced there is little  
reason NOT to go with one of them.

I have an Envision, and it calibrates quite well, and gives very good  
results, this notwithstanding its 75 Hz maximum frame rate. I use it  
at 1280 x 1024, millions of colors, on all machines, through a 4-way  
USB KVM.

For Beiges, 19" CRTs are a sure thing. These are not as tolerant of  
displays, or of KVMs. I use these directly.

For later models, I wouldn't use a CRT ... they're just too heavy,  
and too "retro".





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Re: Display Options with Beige G3?

[Clark Martin]

William Hatchell wrote:
> I've always used a large, heavy Apple CRT with my Beige G3 Minitower. 
>  Are there any other display options?  Are the early Apple LCD displays 
> compatible, and if so, what extra cables, adapters, etc. are needed? 
>  Thanks!

No, AFAIK all the early Apple CRTs used Apple's ADC connector.  This 
uses 28V power not available on your G3.


I'd just use a VGA LCD.  You may need a VGA adapter, depending on your 
video board.  You can get a 17" monitor for under $100 if you shop around.

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Re: Display Options with Beige G3?

[Ken Daggett]

On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:44:46 PDT, William Hatchell wrote:

> I've always used a large, heavy Apple CRT with my Beige G3 Minitower.
> Are there any other display options?  Are the early Apple LCD displays
> compatible, and if so, what extra cables, adapters, etc. are needed?
> Thanks!
>
> Will
---
Cheapest is to get a Mac=>VGA adapter and you can connect to any
VGA monitor such as a cheap flat panel display.

Better output from a PCI Video card, such as a PCI Radeon 7000
(Mac Edition or flashed PC card). Then you will have faster and
better video output. You can use a good flat panel monitor with
higher resolution.

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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[joe]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:23 AM, joe wrote:
>
>> it  reported that some component is missing.
>
> "Some component"?
>
> Please, do better.

OK  "a required iTunes component".  The exact wording is:

"We could not complete your iTunes Store request.  A required iTunes  
component is not installed. (-42403)"

And in smaller print:
"There was an error in the iTunes Store.  Please try again later."

I expect re-installing iTunes will do it, but I still have to put  
that off a while.  I was wondering if someone had any other ideas?
(I'm running most recent update of iTunes 8 on OS 10.4.11 on a G4 AGP  
upgraded to 1.4 GHz.  I also use Libra to manage multiple iTunes  
libraries.)


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Display Options with Beige G3?

[William Hatchell]

I've always used a large, heavy Apple CRT with my Beige G3 Minitower.  Are
there any other display options?  Are the early Apple LCD displays
compatible, and if so, what extra cables, adapters, etc. are needed?
 Thanks!
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Re: Clicking hard drive?

[Anne Keller-Smith]

On Apr 7, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:

>   (open source, free)

Thanks, Fabian, what a nifty utility! As I recall, a year or so ago  
you sent me the OS 10.2.8 combo on a disk, I haven't forgotten that  
kind deed. You are a bit of a guardian angel in my life, apparently.

It sez my drive is OK, I do backups every day or so onto an external  
HD, so if it is going to do a swan dive my files should be all right.  
I thought I might have heard some clicks but haven't heard a thing  
the last few days. Hmmm.



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Re: mirror a drive

[Dan]

At 2:44 AM +1000 4/11/2009, Brian Christmas wrote:
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>Situation:  a mail room getting HEAPS of artwork that has to be 
>printed on a tight turnaround time schedule. 30-40 emails per hour. 
>The email and art has to be date/time stamped and archived to the mac 
>AND the server on a network.

Won't help you right now, but the guys developing Dropbox have 
indicated they'll eventually do some p2p (direct peer to peer) sync. 
With that you could create "mirrored" folders on each system 
involved.  ...Right now, Dropbox only syncs to/from their servers 
with an encrypted Amazon S3 cloud backing-store.

>Latest situation in last hour. We've compared the performance of the 
>power mac to my iMac 8000 miles away (I'm the author of the 
>Applescript handling the printing/saving) and discovered that the end 
>user had a HP laser running on his power mac using AppleTalk. We 
>removed the printer, turned AppleTalk off (and set to automatic) and 
>now the server is nearly as fast as the external drive. We can turn 
>AppleTalk back on, and still maintain the speed as long as the printer 
>is removed from the printer list.
>
>New Question.  Can we do anything to use this printer and maintain 
>speed?

Try switch the printer to use IPP instead of AppleTalk.

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Re: iTunes Music Store issue

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 10, 2009, at 11:23 AM, joe wrote:

> it  reported that some component is missing.

"Some component"?

Please, do better.

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Re: mirror a drive

[Brian Christmas]

G'day Dan

Situation:  a mail room getting HEAPS of artwork that has to be  
printed on a tight turnaround time schedule. 30-40 emails per hour.  
The email and art has to be date/time stamped and archived to the mac  
AND the server on a network. For some reason the network is @#$% slow.  
We're talking 1 minute 20 to save 3 files.

Latest situation in last hour. We've compared the performance of the  
power mac to my iMac 8000 miles away (I'm the author of the  
Applescript handling the printing/saving) and discovered that the end  
user had a HP laser running on his power mac using AppleTalk. We  
removed the printer, turned AppleTalk off (and set to automatic) and  
now the server is nearly as fast as the external drive. We can turn  
AppleTalk back on, and still maintain the speed as long as the printer  
is removed from the printer list.

New Question.  Can we do anything to use this printer and maintain  
speed?

Regards

Santa


On 11/04/2009, at 2:16 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> At 10:28 PM +1000 4/10/2009, Brian Christmas wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to save multiple email, rtfd, and Zip files to a NAS
>> server about 30 times per hour.
>> [and later] Time is critical
>
> Why?  What's the point of all this?
>
>> The saving to server is proving very, very slow compared to saving
>> the same files to an external hard drive off of the power mac.
>
> Yea.  Direct i/o thru high bandwidth buses to a drive vs AFP thru
> TCP/IP thru ethernet or wifi.
>
> The path thru the network will ALWAYS be MUCH slower than than  
> direct i/o.
>
>> What I'd like to do is try mirroring the external HD to the server  
>> and
>> update  the mirror every time a file is added to the external. Is
>> there any way to do this, OR is there something I should take into
>> account to speed up the server.
>
> It sounds like you're trying to do some sort of file-level faux
> networked RAID?  Why?
>
> Either:
> a) Do *real* RAID to a locally connected HD subsystem, such as a  
> Drobo etc.
> or
> b) Use the fsevent type services provided in Leopard, aka Time
> Machine to a Time Capsule.
>
> - Dan.
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>
> >
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iTunes Music Store issue

[joe]

I recently downloaded the latest version of iTunes 8.  I was about to  
play a track that I bought via the Music Store some time ago, and got  
a popup saying that my computer wasn't authorized, so I entered my  
password.  After it communicated with Music Store for a long time, it  
reported back that my computer is already authorized, but did not  
continue to play the track.  When I tried to play the track again,  
the same procedure happened again.  After restarting iTunes, and  
trying it again--around the 5th or 6th time rather than saying my  
computer was already authorized, it reported that some component is  
missing.

I plan to download iTunes all over again, but my bandwidth is  
currently tied up with something else.  Anyone have any other  
suggestions I could try in the meanwhile?

BTW--I don't know that this problem coincided with the latest  
download.  I very rarely play the small handful of tracks I bought  
from the iTunes Store.  This may have been a problem that existed for  
a long time.

Joe

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Re: mirror a drive

[Dan]

At 10:28 PM +1000 4/10/2009, Brian Christmas wrote:
>
>I'm trying to save multiple email, rtfd, and Zip files to a NAS 
>server about 30 times per hour.
>[and later] Time is critical

Why?  What's the point of all this?

>The saving to server is proving very, very slow compared to saving 
>the same files to an external hard drive off of the power mac.

Yea.  Direct i/o thru high bandwidth buses to a drive vs AFP thru 
TCP/IP thru ethernet or wifi.

The path thru the network will ALWAYS be MUCH slower than than direct i/o.

>What I'd like to do is try mirroring the external HD to the server and 
>update  the mirror every time a file is added to the external. Is 
>there any way to do this, OR is there something I should take into
>account to speed up the server.

It sounds like you're trying to do some sort of file-level faux 
networked RAID?  Why?

Either:
a) Do *real* RAID to a locally connected HD subsystem, such as a Drobo etc.
or
b) Use the fsevent type services provided in Leopard, aka Time 
Machine to a Time Capsule.

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Re: (Re)Building a G4 with Several PCI Cards

[Dan]

At 11:37 AM -0400 4/9/2009, insightinmind wrote:
>
>I read in another G3-G5 thread, that really the only time you need 
>to do "cmd/opt/p/r", is when you change the mobo makeup (excluding 
>the PCI slots). For example, adding/removing RAM, changing the CPU, 
>and possibly changing a video AGP card. Is there a possibility that 
>doing so, could mess up a certain multi-PCI card arrangement, that 
>was built up, one card at a time, without resetting PRAM each time?

What?  sigh.


cmd-opt-p-r restores the parameter ram to its default values.

Pressing the CUDA button resets (reboots) the Power Management Unit (PMU).

IF you remove the Backup Battery (PRAM Battery) while the machine is 
unplugged, then the parameter ram is reset to its default values AND 
the PMU is rebooted, when power is restored.

IFF the hardware you're fooling with has associated information in 
the PRAM, then resetting it can help with configuration.  Otherwise 
it's wasted effort.(IFF == IF and ONLY if)!

IOW...  Most pci card changes can be made without resetting either 
the PRAM or PMU.  It is often recommended that you reset the PMU 
simply to make it build a new/clean device tree.  When changing the 
rest of the motherboard configuration (cpu etc), always hit the CUDA. 
Nothing need be reset when adding or removing RAM.

Use caution when resetting the PMU.  It's twitchy.  With the mac 
plugged in, press the CUDA button ONLY ONCE then wait about 30 
seconds before booting the Mac.  This gives the PMU time to complete 
its boot sequence and sniff all the hardware.  DO NOT press the CUDA 
button repeatedly!  Interrupting the PMU's boot sequence can result 
in a mess - the backup battery will then be drained in a matter of 
days.

>My 2 video cards I'm changing back and forth: testing the hardware 
>setup with the natively supplied GeForce4 MX, and ending up with my 
>ATI Radeon 9800Pro ME, which, if it doesn't function well in the 
>GeForce4 MX Hardware tested arena, I need to return to AMD/ATI in a 
>few weeks for replacement.

We often recommend resetting the PRAM when swapping video cards 
because the default resolution is stored therein.

>Let's say I build up my native GeForce4 MX system to include all 3 
>PCI cards and it works well. Then, I need to change video cards to 
>the ATI Radeon 9800Pro ME requiring cmd/opt/p/r. Would it be better 
>to rebuild the ATI system the same way I built the GeForce system 
>... adding 1 PCI card at a time, after getting the ATI card to run 
>alone?

It is always better to add things one at a time, just to ensure that 
each is working.  Makes debugging simpler.

- Dan.
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mirror a drive

[Brian Christmas]

G'day

I've got a bit of an OT .

I'm trying to save multiple email, rtfd, and Zip files to a NAS server  
about 30 times per hour. The saving to server is proving very, very  
slow compared to saving the same files to an external hard drive off  
of the power mac. Time is critical, and the server is taking about  
1:10 extra time per each group of 3 files saved.

What I'd like to do is try mirroring the external HD to the server and  
update  the mirror every time a file is added to the external. Is  
there any way to do this, OR is there something I should take into  
account to speed up the server.

Regards

Santa

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