Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Mike Linnett]

On 22 Feb 2010, at 06:00, Kasey Smith  wrote:



On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 2/21/10 7:18 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:

It didn't have an external ADB plug, it was purely to run the  
*internal*

keyboard and trackpad.


My G4 iBook running Leopard shows no USB devices, either in System  
Profiler or USB Prober.  It does however have the following files  
in /System/Library/Extensions:


AppleADBButtons.kext
AppleADBKeyboard.kext
AppleADBMouse.kext


I find the ADBButtons.kext quite interesting... i wonder if the  
kexts for the touchpad and buttons are separate or if its another  
device...




Also, for what it's worth, my blue and white g3 running tiger works  
just fine with an apple extended keyboard (possibly 2) plugged into  
it's adb port.
I'm sure someone somewhere with a hacked Leo install on a g4 upgraded  
smurf (or earlier) musthave tried out the adb ports?


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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Jonas Lopez  wrote:

> Need for list message morphing rule
>
> Since I am the author of a post that has now morphed into an entirely
>  inappropriate commentary on how to kill a hd, and since this list is always
> monitored and those Niamey's should refuse to publish such morphed replies,
> I ask the question in keeping with reducing traffic and staying on point,
> why, why are these messages allowed to be published?
>
> If the reply is entirely foreign to the message topic, refuse it.
>
> Do not allow morphing!
> __
>

Jonas,

The accepted but rarely utilized procedure is to modify the subject line of
a post that spins off an idea from a thread. But we have many new folks
these days and many of the old timers have moved on to IntelMac or died or
whatever.

What you call morphing has long been recognized as " highjacking " a thread
and we have all done it at one time or another.

On the old PCI list it was kept in check somewhat because in those days
Listers had more of an eye to actually getting help to those hwo need it.
which is the real purpose of the list. Anyone who doubts that or think this
is just a place to hang out because it is tolerated should ask Dan Knight
about it.

But come on guys, if you have a real need to go off on a tangent please just
change the subject line of the post. Don't interfere with the real need for
a lister to get his machine  or system running ASAP. That is why LEM has
these lists which have been the best around.
Whether they remain that way is up to all of us. i have seen the most
unsubscribe error posts in the past few months than in the last decade.

Not all of those are because the people gave up on Mac. but soem had to be
because they did not get the help they sought here.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 9:57 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:



Im wondering how plastic platters hold data as hard drives are a
magnetic based storage medium o.O


Metal hard drive platters are aluminum (non-magnetic).  In either case 
they use a sputtered magnetic metal coating.


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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Chance Reecher  wrote:

> This is, and should remain an unmoderated list. It keeps the playing field
> level.
>
> If you don't like it, take your questions/comments elsewhere. Don't whine
> and complain.
>
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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Clark Martin wrote:


On 2/21/10 7:18 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:

It didn't have an external ADB plug, it was purely to run the  
*internal*

keyboard and trackpad.


My G4 iBook running Leopard shows no USB devices, either in System  
Profiler or USB Prober.  It does however have the following files  
in /System/Library/Extensions:


AppleADBButtons.kext
AppleADBKeyboard.kext
AppleADBMouse.kext


I find the ADBButtons.kext quite interesting... i wonder if the kexts  
for the touchpad and buttons are separate or if its another device...


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Bill Christensen wrote:


At 5:01 PM -0500 2/21/10, Samuel Macomber wrote:


with a sledgehammer.Actually I usually take the drive apart,  
those magnets work great on the fridge.   Than smash the remains.  
Found laptop drive are the best for protecting your data,  the  
platters are plastic so they shatter into a gazillion little pieces.


Some of the 3.5s have plastic platters too.  My 8 year old son  
periodically spends a couple hours taking apart dead drives from my  
ever-growing collection, and he managed to shatter the platter on  
one just last week.  I don't recall which brand it was but it was  
large enough that it was probably less than 5 years old.

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Im wondering how plastic platters hold data as hard drives are a  
magnetic based storage medium o.O


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bill Christensen]

At 5:01 PM -0500 2/21/10, Samuel Macomber wrote:


with a sledgehammer.Actually I usually take the drive apart, 
those magnets work great on the fridge.   Than smash the remains. 
Found laptop drive are the best for protecting your data,  the 
platters are plastic so they shatter into a gazillion little pieces.


Some of the 3.5s have plastic platters too.  My 8 year old son 
periodically spends a couple hours taking apart dead drives from my 
ever-growing collection, and he managed to shatter the platter on one 
just last week.  I don't recall which brand it was but it was large 
enough that it was probably less than 5 years old.

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Re: Better GPU for G4 Digi Audio?

[Michael G.M.]

Hello,
Anyone out there?
I'm thinking maybe the ATi 7000 or the 9200 AGP cards might fit the
bill.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[PETER WARNER]

On Feb 22, 2010, at 12:36 AM, Dana Collins wrote:


Our old voice phone number was one off from a local lumber company.
Most of the calls were if they were open.  I was awful tempted
sometimes to give them the wrong info.



LOL. I just remembered, my wife's number when she was a teen was one
off of the local pizzeria; when she was feeling particularly
mischievous, (and she recognized the voice, it was a small town)  
she'd

take the order. :-)


When living in CA, our home was one no. off from a nearby medical  
practice.
One time the inerrant caller was convinced that she had the right  
no. AND
that I was the party (the MD) she was trying to reach- I was so-o-o  
tempted
to pretend I was (well, I AM a Dr., but not that kind) until I  
found out the

specialty involved was gynecology - definitely wrong no.!
Ah, phone memories


I had the Mayor's office in New Rochelle, NY. Once a caller accused  
me of being a secretary trying to dodge calls from constituents  :.}   
Those were the days of Dial-up on my Quadra 840AV, I wonder how many  
people thought that the Mayor needed more phone lines in his office...


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Dana Collins]

On 2/21/10 8:38 PM, Bruce Johnson of john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu sent

> 
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Clark Martin wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Our old voice phone number was one off from a local lumber company.
>> Most of the calls were if they were open.  I was awful tempted
>> sometimes to give them the wrong info.
> 
> 
> LOL. I just remembered, my wife's number when she was a teen was one
> off of the local pizzeria; when she was feeling particularly
> mischievous, (and she recognized the voice, it was a small town) she'd
> take the order. :-)

When living in CA, our home was one no. off from a nearby medical practice.
One time the inerrant caller was convinced that she had the right no. AND
that I was the party (the MD) she was trying to reach- I was so-o-o tempted
to pretend I was (well, I AM a Dr., but not that kind) until I found out the
specialty involved was gynecology - definitely wrong no.!
Ah, phone memories
Dana


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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Paul Stamsen]

Previously, at 11:50  pm -0500 2/21/10, Chance Reecher wrote:
>I understand that we have nannies overseeing the group.
>What I mean by unmoderated is that when someone posts, their post doesn't have 
>to be approved, as is the case on the Swaplist.
>The OP is suggesting that this list be moderated, so their threads don't get 
>off-topic.



 OK, that makes sense, but whatever is the will of the ListMom. If weird 
posting etc gets too bad, then we'll get moderated.

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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 7:18 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:


At 6:54 PM -0700 2/21/10, Kasey Smith wrote:

It would be hard for Apple to have dropped ADB because, according to
this wikipedia
article, the PowerBooks and iBooks up to 2005 (when Tiger was
released) used ADB for the keyboard and trackpad. I just posted this
because i had read somewhere on a page about the Grififn iMate that
Apple had dropped ADB support in Tiger and up.



Wrong. My 2004 iBook only has USB and Firewire. I've never seen a G4
Mac with ADB.

Check the Apple web site for machine specs, not Wikipedia.

Bob


It didn't have an external ADB plug, it was purely to run the *internal*
keyboard and trackpad.


My G4 iBook running Leopard shows no USB devices, either in System 
Profiler or USB Prober.  It does however have the following files in 
/System/Library/Extensions:


AppleADBButtons.kext
AppleADBKeyboard.kext
AppleADBMouse.kext

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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[John Musbach]

On 2/21/10, Jonas Lopez  wrote:
> Need for list message morphing rule
>
> Since I am the author of a post that has now morphed into an entirely
> inappropriate commentary on how to kill a hd, and since this list is always
> monitored and those Niamey's should refuse to publish such morphed replies,
> I ask the question in keeping with reducing traffic and staying on point,
> why, why are these messages allowed to be published?

It is actually quite ironic that you accuse others of disrupting the
list when you too are in fact in the wrong polluting this list with a
ot post that belongs on the lemlists list. Nice going, hypocrit.

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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Chance Reecher]

I understand that we have nannies overseeing the group.
What I mean by unmoderated is that when someone posts, their post doesn't
have to be approved, as is the case on the Swaplist.
The OP is suggesting that this list be moderated, so their threads don't get
off-topic.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Paul Stamsen  wrote:

>
> I beg your pardon:
>
> From 
>
> >Who oversees G-Group?
> >Dan Knight of Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/ manages G-Group, which
> was begun on December 27, 1999. Fabian Feng, Len Gerstel, Tim Gochnour, and
> Kyle Hansen are the group "nannies" (group managers).
> >Is G-Group only for those with G3-G5 Power Macs?
> >While anyone may join, this group will be most helpful to those using or
> considering the purchase of a Power Macintosh G3 or G4 computer. This does
> not include earlier Power Macs or Maclones with G3 or G4 upgrades.
>
>
>  P.
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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Paul Stamsen]

Previously, at 11:09  pm -0500 2/21/10, Chance Reecher wrote:
>This is, and should remain an unmoderated list. It keeps the playing field 
>level.
>
>If you don't like it, take your questions/comments elsewhere. Don't whine and 
>complain.
>

I beg your pardon:

>From 

>Who oversees G-Group?
>Dan Knight of Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/ manages G-Group, which was 
>begun on December 27, 1999. Fabian Feng, Len Gerstel, Tim Gochnour, and Kyle 
>Hansen are the group "nannies" (group managers).
>Is G-Group only for those with G3-G5 Power Macs?
>While anyone may join, this group will be most helpful to those using or 
>considering the purchase of a Power Macintosh G3 or G4 computer. This does not 
>include earlier Power Macs or Maclones with G3 or G4 upgrades.


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Re: Need for list message morphing rule

[Chance Reecher]

This is, and should remain an unmoderated list. It keeps the playing field
level.

If you don't like it, take your questions/comments elsewhere. Don't whine
and complain.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Jonas Lopez  wrote:

> Need for list message morphing rule
>
> Since I am the author of a post that has now morphed into an entirely
>  inappropriate commentary on how to kill a hd, and since this list is always
> monitored and those Niamey's should refuse to publish such morphed replies,
> I ask the question in keeping with reducing traffic and staying on point,
> why, why are these messages allowed to be published?
>
> If the reply is entirely foreign to the message topic, refuse it.
>
> Do not allow morphing!
>
> If that new topic is so exciting, then start a new thread, PLEASE, OH
> PLEASE KILL THE MORPHED ONE.
>
> JML
>
>
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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Caleb S. Cupples]

On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 21:38 -0500, Bob Whiton wrote:
> Wrong.  My 2004 iBook only has USB and Firewire.  I've never seen a 
> G4 Mac with ADB.
> 
> Check the Apple web site for machine specs, not Wikipedia.
> 
> Bob

Bob,
The internal interface for the keyboard and trackpad were ADB, even
though the only connectors on the outside are USB and FireWire. See also
the PowerBook G3 Lombard/Pismo, neither of which had ADB ports on the
outside, but used an ADB interface for the keyboard and trackpad.

Caleb

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Need for list message morphing rule

[Jonas Lopez]

Need for list message morphing rule

Since I am the author of a post that has now morphed into an entirely  
inappropriate commentary on how to kill a hd, and since this list is always 
monitored and those Niamey's should refuse to publish such morphed replies, I 
ask the question in keeping with reducing traffic and staying on point, why, 
why are these messages allowed to be published?

If the reply is entirely foreign to the message topic, refuse it. 

Do not allow morphing! 

If that new topic is so exciting, then start a new thread, PLEASE, OH PLEASE 
KILL THE MORPHED ONE.

JML


  

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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Bob Whiton wrote:


At 6:54 PM -0700 2/21/10, Kasey Smith wrote:
It would be hard for Apple to have dropped ADB because, according  
to this wikipedia  
article, the PowerBooks and iBooks up to 2005 (when Tiger was  
released) used ADB for the keyboard and trackpad. I just posted  
this because i had read somewhere on a page about the Grififn  
iMate that Apple had dropped ADB support in Tiger and up.




Wrong.  My 2004 iBook only has USB and Firewire.  I've never seen a  
G4 Mac with ADB.


Check the Apple web site for machine specs, not Wikipedia.

Bob


It didn't have an external ADB plug, it was purely to run the  
internal keyboard and trackpad.


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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

> It would be hard for Apple to have dropped ADB because, according to this 
> wikipedia article, the PowerBooks and iBooks up to 2005 (when Tiger was 
> released) used ADB for the keyboard and trackpad. I just posted this because 
> i had read somewhere on a page about the Grififn iMate that Apple had dropped 
> ADB support in Tiger and up.
> 
> -- 
I use the Griffin iMate for an app that  runs in OS9 and the iMate needs an 
extension to load at boot, so I wonder what would run in Tiger with an ADB 
device. The machines I use the iMate on are dual boot 10.4.11  9.2.2 with USB 
ports. I don't always think Wiki is gospel.
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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[romantic]

"I hope you now have a better understanding of my motives and by the 
way, thanks for all the "good answers" posted."


jml

I think we have a better understanding. Go fish somewhere else. Warm 
regards, Rt


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Re: Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Bob Whiton]

At 6:54 PM -0700 2/21/10, Kasey Smith wrote:
It would be hard for Apple to have dropped ADB because, according 
to this wikipedia 
article, the PowerBooks and iBooks up to 2005 (when Tiger was 
released) used ADB for the keyboard and trackpad. I just posted this 
because i had read somewhere on a page about the Grififn iMate that 
Apple had dropped ADB support in Tiger and up.




Wrong.  My 2004 iBook only has USB and Firewire.  I've never seen a 
G4 Mac with ADB.


Check the Apple web site for machine specs, not Wikipedia.

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Re: Webcam program search for internet access, best or what

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 5:47 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:


Acquired webcam and while at work wanted to check up on my dogs and
any other trespassers that just might be in my house. Got Skype,
Messenger, and iChat - do you know of any others?


Go back in the earlier thread, I posted a link to a how to to do that
very thing.



Check out Gawker 
.  It let's you 
watch a remote camera but does it one frame every so often (you can 
adjust it).  It will also record time lapse video.  Kind of cool to 
watch a day in or outside your house in 5 minutes.



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Proof that Apple could not have dropped ADB support in Tiger and Leo

[Kasey Smith]

It would be hard for Apple to have dropped ADB because, according to  
this wikipedia article, the PowerBooks and iBooks up to 2005 (when  
Tiger was released) used ADB for the keyboard and trackpad. I just  
posted this because i had read somewhere on a page about the Grififn  
iMate that Apple had dropped ADB support in Tiger and up.


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Re: Webcam program search for internet access, best or what

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote:

Acquired webcam and while at work wanted to check up on my dogs and  
any other trespassers that just might be in my house. Got Skype,  
Messenger, and iChat - do you know of any others?


Go back in the earlier thread, I posted a link to a how to to do that  
very thing.


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



I guess it's cheaper to shred the drive than to wipe it fully.


Cheaper, faster, and in some cases, for security reasons, mandatory.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Clark Martin wrote:



Our old voice phone number was one off from a local lumber company.  
Most of the calls were if they were open.  I was awful tempted  
sometimes to give them the wrong info.



LOL. I just remembered, my wife's number when she was a teen was one  
off of the local pizzeria; when she was feeling particularly  
mischievous, (and she recognized the voice, it was a small town) she'd  
take the order. :-)

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Re: Webcam program search for internet access, best or what

[Paul Stamsen]

Previously, at 12:09  pm -0800 2/21/10, Jonas Lopez wrote:
>List rules allow once removed question:
>
>Webcam program search for Internet access, best or what
>
>Acquired webcam and while at work wanted to check up on my dogs and any other 
>trespassers that just might be in my house. Got Skype, Messenger, and iChat - 
>do you know of any others?
>
>The problem is that you can set up the cam and aim it at the bed where the 
>dogs like to rest during the time I am at work. BUT leaving the computer on 
>and the camera on will not work.
>
>By the time I get to work, 30 minutes, and go on line to my account to view 
>the webcam there is no connection.
>
>So, I go home and have a dialog asking for permission to allow view of my bed 
>and dogs.
>
>Since I have no one to click this button, the idea fails.
>
>Any ideas appreciated.
>
>JML



With Skype you can pre-authorize a specific user.

Under Preferences>video>automatically receive video from>People in my contact 
list.

 Then make sure your office computer is the only "Person" on your contact list.

HTH,

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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 3:48 PM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

On a side note, since 10.4 and 10.5 cost the same

used, what are the pro's and cons of each on my dual 1.25 MDD (1gb of
ram)? I read I may take a slight hit in performance, but is this all,
and haw big of one? Does 10.5 offer me anything useful 10.4 wouldn't
other than giving the computer a slightly longer usable life? Thanks
again everyone.


I'd go for 10.5.  I just put it on a Dual 1.25 GHz MDD and it purrs 
along nicely.  And yes, it should have a longer functional life.



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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Kasey Smith wrote:

> I've heard that the big thing in Leo is Spaces, and its something i wish 
> Tiger had.
> 
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Jake Zeppa wrote:
> 
>>   Thanks for the idea. I gave it a try but no luck. I'm also getting a "Keys 
>> Out Of Order" warning now from Disk utility. I also gave the FSCK command 
>> trick a try, and ran it multiple times without luck. I have a feeling I'm 
>> left with one option, formatting, and installing a new OS. Diskwarrior at 
>> $100 seems a bit steep at the moment, and if I had to spend the money, I'd 
>> put it to OS 10.5. The good news is transferring data via TDM (over 
>> firewire) seems to work just fine (no errors so far).
>>   On a side note, since 10.4 and 10.5 cost the same used, what are the pro's 
>> and cons of each on my dual 1.25 MDD (1gb of ram)? I read I may take a 
>> slight hit in performance, but is this all, and haw big of one? Does 10.5 
>> offer me anything useful 10.4 wouldn't other than giving the computer a 
>> slightly longer usable life? Thanks again everyone.
>> 
>>   Jake
> 
 Spaces  on Leois real cool, and so is DVD player the way it displays chapters, 
so dual boot is an option for me.

John Carmonne
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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

>   Thanks for the idea. I gave it a try but no luck. I'm also getting a "Keys 
> Out Of Order" warning now from Disk utility. I also gave the FSCK command 
> trick a try, and ran it multiple times without luck. I have a feeling I'm 
> left with one option, formatting, and installing a new OS. Diskwarrior at 
> $100 seems a bit steep at the moment, and if I had to spend the money, I'd 
> put it to OS 10.5. The good news is transferring data via TDM (over firewire) 
> seems to work just fine (no errors so far).
>   On a side note, since 10.4 and 10.5 cost the same used, what are the pro's 
> and cons of each on my dual 1.25 MDD (1gb of ram)? I read I may take a slight 
> hit in performance, but is this all, and haw big of one? Does 10.5 offer me 
> anything useful 10.4 wouldn't other than giving the computer a slightly 
> longer usable life? Thanks again everyone.
> 
>   Jake
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, John Carmonne  wrote:
> 
>> Try to fix the drive via TDM using Disk utility, it may
>> work you've nuttin to lose.
>> 
>> 
>> John Carmonne
>> Yorba Linda USA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Well if you ask me Tiger rules on PPC. I  can  boot my MDD 10.4.11,  10.5.8  
and  9.2.2. my goto daily system on this machine is Tiger. This is because some 
apps do not run on PPC 10.5.8  even though they run on Intel 10.5.8. Go figure.


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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Kasey Smith]

I've heard that the big thing in Leo is Spaces, and its something i  
wish Tiger had.


On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

   Thanks for the idea. I gave it a try but no luck. I'm also  
getting a "Keys Out Of Order" warning now from Disk utility. I also  
gave the FSCK command trick a try, and ran it multiple times  
without luck. I have a feeling I'm left with one option,  
formatting, and installing a new OS. Diskwarrior at $100 seems a  
bit steep at the moment, and if I had to spend the money, I'd put  
it to OS 10.5. The good news is transferring data via TDM (over  
firewire) seems to work just fine (no errors so far).
   On a side note, since 10.4 and 10.5 cost the same used, what are  
the pro's and cons of each on my dual 1.25 MDD (1gb of ram)? I read  
I may take a slight hit in performance, but is this all, and haw  
big of one? Does 10.5 offer me anything useful 10.4 wouldn't other  
than giving the computer a slightly longer usable life? Thanks  
again everyone.


   Jake


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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Jake Zeppa]

   Thanks for the idea. I gave it a try but no luck. I'm also getting a "Keys 
Out Of Order" warning now from Disk utility. I also gave the FSCK command trick 
a try, and ran it multiple times without luck. I have a feeling I'm left with 
one option, formatting, and installing a new OS. Diskwarrior at $100 seems a 
bit steep at the moment, and if I had to spend the money, I'd put it to OS 
10.5. The good news is transferring data via TDM (over firewire) seems to work 
just fine (no errors so far).
   On a side note, since 10.4 and 10.5 cost the same used, what are the pro's 
and cons of each on my dual 1.25 MDD (1gb of ram)? I read I may take a slight 
hit in performance, but is this all, and haw big of one? Does 10.5 offer me 
anything useful 10.4 wouldn't other than giving the computer a slightly longer 
usable life? Thanks again everyone.

   Jake

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, John Carmonne  wrote:

> Try to fix the drive via TDM using Disk utility, it may
> work you've nuttin to lose.
> 
> 
> John Carmonne
> Yorba Linda USA
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

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On 2/21/10 1:52 PM, "Clark Martin"  wrote:

>> And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?
> 
> High level format as if you didn't know.
> 
> -- 
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If they are clients or friends I format the drives with a 5lb. Sledge Hammer
and tell then put a new drive in it.

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neighbor (model beautiful young married woman) and during the process of
verifying that I had gotten full size pics and not thumbnails I randomly
clicked on one of the files and now every time I see her I can see through
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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 2:01 PM, Samuel Macomber wrote:



I then format the drive, I don't bother zeroing it, that's a waste of
time.


And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?



with a sledgehammer. Actually I usually take the drive apart, those
magnets work great on the fridge. Than smash the remains. Found laptop
drive are the best for protecting your data, the platters are plastic so
they shatter into a gazillion little pieces.


Uh, I was talking about re-formatting as in erase, partition, whatever 
you care to call it in order to then install an OS on it.  A 
sledgehammer is contra-indicated.


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

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> 
>> I then format the drive, I don't bother zeroing it, that's a waste of time.
> 
> And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?


with a sledgehammer.Actually I usually take the drive apart, those magnets 
work great on the fridge.   Than smash the remains.Found laptop drive are 
the best for protecting your data,  the platters are plastic so they shatter 
into a gazillion little pieces. 

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 12:28 PM, John Musbach wrote:

On 2/21/10, Dan  wrote:

I've received HDs containing patient data several times.  Each time I
contacted the *patient*, not the seller.


ha, I bought a se/30 off eBay and it turned out to have been
previously used by a secretary at kpmg and they hadn't erased the hard
drive leaving licensed copies of ms word and Claris works on the HD
along with records containing corporate account numbers as well as the
names, addresses, and phone numbers of every employee, manager, and
CEO of the company. Pretty scary to learn that a major tax company
doesn't remove such information from their computers before disposing
of them.


On the flip side you see a lot of used computers now a days with no hard 
drive.  I got a 3400c cheap but not only was the drive and drive carrier 
missing the drive cable had been cut off.  I mean, come on, how lazy are 
they to not unplug the cable.  It ought to be easier to pull the cable 
than to dig out a cutting tool to cut it.


I guess it's cheaper to shred the drive than to wipe it fully.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 11:43 AM, Dan wrote:

At 11:20 AM -0800 2/21/2010, Clark Martin wrote:

I got one machine from a local medical center with all sorts of notes
on treatment but none was patient data. I think if I had I might have
reported it. I do look at people's data, mostly out of curiosity as to
how careless people can be.


I've received HDs containing patient data several times. Each time I
contacted the *patient*, not the seller.

heh. Our home phone number is a logical transpo of a local doctor's
office. Once or twice a month, we get their faxes, usually from one
particular insurance company. The faxes include all sorts of patient
information, always with full names and addresses, often with SSN etc.
We have contacted patients, doctors and that company --- yet the faxes
keep coming.


Our old voice phone number was one off from a local lumber company. 
Most of the calls were if they were open.  I was awful tempted sometimes 
to give them the wrong info.





I then format the drive, I don't bother zeroing it, that's a waste of
time.


And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?


High level format as if you didn't know.

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Better GPU for G4 Digi Audio?

[Michael G.M.]

I've done a little cleaning and GPU swapping in my dear old DA.

The first card I was using was the ATi retail AGP card that I liked,
but it's way slow for Leo, but is great for Panther and OS 9. Now I've
switched back to my Geforce4 ti 4600 that is way more snappy for Leo,
but doesn't play some of my iTunes movies as well as some of the
others. The Movies that don't play as well are Movies that have a
Higher total bit rate* and  larger video Dimension, example: 851x480
doesn't play as well as a movie that's 640x272.

So, my question is can I find a vid card that *is Mac OS 9 compatible
with full graphics acceleration *and can play my iTunes movies that
require better GPU speed without going to the 9800 Pro and losing full
GPU acceleration in OS 9? Maybe the 9000 ATi?

I also finally removed the slot cooler, that sounded like a air
conditioner. (Ouch)
I don't really like the Ti 4600 too much as it doesn't support RAVE
fully in my older OS 9 games I play on occasion.

Just wondering what's out there that others can recommend with similar
setups and experience. BTW, the DA has a fast PowerLogix 800 MHz
upgrade.

Thanks in advance!
-Mike

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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:46 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

>   Thanks for the reply's everyone. I don't know if it matters, but the 
> Deskstar drive has 10.4 on it, where the drive with all my info is 10.2. I 
> don't own Diskwarrior, but I'm trying to search for a copy. I also 
> unfortunately don't own a 10.4 install disk (I got the drive with it already 
> installed), so saving the 10.4 drive is somewhat important (I only have 10.2 
> disks, which are now obsolete). I have looked at the cost to buy a used copy 
> of 10.4, but it's quite costly, and for the same cost, I could buy 10.5. I'd 
> really hate to fork over $100 for a new OS, so hopefully it won't come to 
> that.
>   None the less, I'm still open to ideas. I assume there's no way to fix this 
> drive without some software I don't own at the moment? Is there anything I 
> can do to salvage it, while keeping the data in tact? Things work fine, but 
> anything I transfer gets trashed. I'll attempt to transfer data through 
> Firewire, but I wonder what I can do if I wanted to run 2 drives at the same 
> time. Does anyone have an idea why this computer is doing this? Thanks again 
> everyone, I really appreciate the help.
> 
>   Jake
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:
> 
>> From: JOHN CARMONNE 
>> Subject: Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25
>> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:58 AM
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Clark Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:
>>> 
> I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace
>> my slow dual 450 giga. None the less, I've spent the last
>> few hours fighting a problem transferring data from my old
>> drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I
>> figured it would be best to ask the experts (you guys). The
>> drive that originally came with the computer (Seagate 80gb
>> ata/100) stopped working while transferring data (now it's
>> not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar has
>> corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the
>> ata/100 bus, both drives set to CS. The computer works
>> great, but somewhere between the two drives when
>> transferring data, everything gets messed up. The original
>> drives data seems fine, and it passes the utility tests, as
>> where the Deskstar now shows errors, and has files I
>> transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I
>> screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm
>> open to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help.
>> Thanks
> 
>>> 
>>> I ran into something similar recently.  First
>> thing is you might try putting the "other" drive on the
>> third ATA bus.  Until I got the MDD I didn't know it
>> has 3 ATA busses.
>>> 
>>> The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I
>> think, an 80Gb Deskstar.  While it worked fine in the
>> MDD, it won't work in a Sawtooth (I had a 160 Gb HD from the
>> Sawtooth I use in the MDD now).  Of two Firewire drives
>> I've tested it in only one would see it properly.  I
>> haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter of the ATA
>> version.
>>> 
>>> I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the
>> 160 and copied everything back.  I had tried doing it
>> with the two drives on the same bus, that had problems
>> recognizing the drives.  I tried putting the 80Gb in a
>> FW enclosure and that didn't work.  About then I
>> noticed the 3rd bus, tried that and that worked just fine.
>>> 
>>> --Clark Martin
>>> Redwood City, CA, USA
>>> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>>> 
>>> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super
>> Highway"
>>> 
>>> 
>> The third Bus in the MDD is ata 33 for the optical drive I
>> think that  it's too slow for a HDD that's used for
>> anything other than storage.
>> 



Try to fix the drive via TDM using Disk utility, it may work you've nuttin to 
lose.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[John Musbach]

On 2/21/10, Dan  wrote:
> I've received HDs containing patient data several times.  Each time I
> contacted the *patient*, not the seller.

ha, I bought a se/30 off eBay and it turned out to have been
previously used by a secretary at kpmg and they hadn't erased the hard
drive leaving licensed copies of ms word and Claris works on the HD
along with records containing corporate account numbers as well as the
names, addresses, and phone numbers of every employee, manager, and
CEO of the company. Pretty scary to learn that a major tax company
doesn't remove such information from their computers before disposing
of them.

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Webcam program search for internet access, best or what

[Jonas Lopez]

List rules allow once removed question:

Webcam program search for Internet access, best or what

Acquired webcam and while at work wanted to check up on my dogs and any other 
trespassers that just might be in my house. Got Skype, Messenger, and iChat - 
do you know of any others?

The problem is that you can set up the cam and aim it at the bed where the dogs 
like to rest during the time I am at work. BUT leaving the computer on and the 
camera on will not work. 

By the time I get to work, 30 minutes, and go on line to my account to view the 
webcam there is no connection.

So, I go home and have a dialog asking for permission to allow view of my bed 
and dogs.

Since I have no one to click this button, the idea fails.

Any ideas appreciated.

JML


  

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Dan wrote:



heh.  Our home phone number is a logical transpo of a local doctor's  
office.  Once or twice a month, we get their faxes, usually from one  
particular insurance company.  The faxes include all sorts of  
patient information, always with full names and addresses, often  
with SSN etc. We have contacted patients, doctors and that company  
--- yet the faxes keep coming.


A friend I had growing up got a phone number that was a transposition  
away from an ambulance company. They would get panicked calls all the  
time...this lasted about two weeks until they convinced the phone  
company that they really did need another new phone number, that they  
were tired of telling freaked out people at 3AM with a dying relative  
that no, they WEREN'T the ambulance company.


(this was the Great Renumbering that Mountain Bell did to Tucson in  
the late 60's: a whole swath of customers on the east side of town all  
got new phone numbers, my family included, when they added a bunch of  
exchanges to account for growth.)


This was back in the analog days, when a new exchange in your physical  
neighborhood really meant that you had to get a new phone number.


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Clark Martin wrote:

I've gotten a whole slew of programs off systems I've acquired.  I  
never have gotten one from the side of the road or from dumpster  
diving.  I contemplated picking up an iMac at the dump when I was  
dropping stuff off but it was no better than the two I already had  
sitting idle (although it might have been worth it for the memory  
and HD).


In this case the performa in question served as my web server for  
three years, and it's still laying about here somewhere. At the time  
it was a sweet find, it had a Dayna 10/100 Mbit ethernet card in it,  
so I had to be careful about erasing the HD until I made sure I had  
the drivers.


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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Jake Zeppa]

   Thanks for the reply's everyone. I don't know if it matters, but the 
Deskstar drive has 10.4 on it, where the drive with all my info is 10.2. I 
don't own Diskwarrior, but I'm trying to search for a copy. I also 
unfortunately don't own a 10.4 install disk (I got the drive with it already 
installed), so saving the 10.4 drive is somewhat important (I only have 10.2 
disks, which are now obsolete). I have looked at the cost to buy a used copy of 
10.4, but it's quite costly, and for the same cost, I could buy 10.5. I'd 
really hate to fork over $100 for a new OS, so hopefully it won't come to that.
   None the less, I'm still open to ideas. I assume there's no way to fix this 
drive without some software I don't own at the moment? Is there anything I can 
do to salvage it, while keeping the data in tact? Things work fine, but 
anything I transfer gets trashed. I'll attempt to transfer data through 
Firewire, but I wonder what I can do if I wanted to run 2 drives at the same 
time. Does anyone have an idea why this computer is doing this? Thanks again 
everyone, I really appreciate the help.

   Jake

--- On Sun, 2/21/10, JOHN CARMONNE  wrote:

> From: JOHN CARMONNE 
> Subject: Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:58 AM
> 
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Clark Martin wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:
> > 
> > > > I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace
> my slow dual 450 giga. None the less, I've spent the last
> few hours fighting a problem transferring data from my old
> drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I
> figured it would be best to ask the experts (you guys). The
> drive that originally came with the computer (Seagate 80gb
> ata/100) stopped working while transferring data (now it's
> not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar has
> corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the
> ata/100 bus, both drives set to CS. The computer works
> great, but somewhere between the two drives when
> transferring data, everything gets messed up. The original
> drives data seems fine, and it passes the utility tests, as
> where the Deskstar now shows errors, and has files I
> transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I
> screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm
> open to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help.
> Thanks
> > > >
> > 
> > I ran into something similar recently.  First
> thing is you might try putting the "other" drive on the
> third ATA bus.  Until I got the MDD I didn't know it
> has 3 ATA busses.
> > 
> > The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I
> think, an 80Gb Deskstar.  While it worked fine in the
> MDD, it won't work in a Sawtooth (I had a 160 Gb HD from the
> Sawtooth I use in the MDD now).  Of two Firewire drives
> I've tested it in only one would see it properly.  I
> haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter of the ATA
> version.
> > 
> > I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the
> 160 and copied everything back.  I had tried doing it
> with the two drives on the same bus, that had problems
> recognizing the drives.  I tried putting the 80Gb in a
> FW enclosure and that didn't work.  About then I
> noticed the 3rd bus, tried that and that worked just fine.
> > 
> > --Clark Martin
> > Redwood City, CA, USA
> > Macintosh / Internet Consulting
> > 
> > "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super
> Highway"
> > 
> > 
> The third Bus in the MDD is ata 33 for the optical drive I
> think that  it's too slow for a HDD that's used for
> anything other than storage.
> 
> JOHN CARMONNE
> Yorba Linda USA
> carmo...@aol,com
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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Dan]

At 11:20 AM -0800 2/21/2010, Clark Martin wrote:
I got one machine from a local medical center with all sorts of 
notes on treatment but none was patient data.  I think if I had I 
might have reported it.  I do look at people's data, mostly out of 
curiosity as to how careless people can be.


I've received HDs containing patient data several times.  Each time I 
contacted the *patient*, not the seller.


heh.  Our home phone number is a logical transpo of a local doctor's 
office.  Once or twice a month, we get their faxes, usually from one 
particular insurance company.  The faxes include all sorts of patient 
information, always with full names and addresses, often with SSN 
etc.  We have contacted patients, doctors and that company --- yet 
the faxes keep coming.



I then format the drive, I don't bother zeroing it, that's a waste of time.


And how exactly do you format these modern IDE and SATA drives?

- Dan.
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Re: Script Issue #2

[Stephen Conrad]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Dan  wrote:

> At 8:56 AM -0700 2/20/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
>>
>>> I have NoScript and AdBlock Plus installed on FF
>>> I go the BUSY SCRIPT or SCRIPT NOT RESPONDING warning box on this site
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
>>>
>>> Why would I get it on this page?
>>> Also, how do I stop it?
>>>
>>
>> Is Google.com in the whitelist for NoScript?
>>
>> Adblock is oriented towards blocking ads, Google itself usess a large
>> Javascipt library, and so even their basic page has some javascript running.
>>
>> What happens if you go to this page with Safari?
>>
>> It could well just be a FF problem. Clear your cache, clear your history.
>>
>
> FWIW, I cannot reproduce any such script slow errors, even on my 300-MHz
> Smurf, with Safari or Firefox 3.6.  I'm thinking maybe he's foo'd the
> settings in AdBlock or NoScript or some other add-on or plug-in.
>
> - Dan.


Nope! I don't mess with the settings.
I rarely mess with my other add-ons unless I need to enter info (such as my
location for the Windfox add-on or the email address I use for Webmail
Notifier)



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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

> On 2/21/10 10:58 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Clark Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:
>>> 
> I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450
> giga.
>>> None the less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a problem
>>> transferring data from my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a
>>> Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I figured it would be best to ask the
>>> experts (you guys). The drive that originally came with the
>>> computer (Seagate 80gb ata/100) stopped working while transferring
>>> data (now it's not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar
>>> has corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the ata/100
>>> bus, both drives set to CS. The computer works great, but somewhere
>>> between the two drives when transferring data, everything gets
>>> messed up. The original drives data seems fine, and it passes the
>>> utility tests, as where the Deskstar now shows errors, and has
>>> files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I
>>> screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm open
>>> to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks
> 
>>> 
>>> I ran into something similar recently. First thing is you might try
>>> putting the "other" drive on the third ATA bus. Until I got the
>>> MDD I didn't know it has 3 ATA busses.
>>> 
>>> The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I think, an
>>> 80Gb Deskstar. While it worked fine in the MDD, it won't work in a
>>> Sawtooth (I had a 160 Gb HD from the Sawtooth I use in the MDD
>>> now). Of two Firewire drives I've tested it in only one would see
>>> it properly. I haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter of
>>> the ATA version.
>>> 
>>> I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the 160 and copied
>>> everything back. I had tried doing it with the two drives on the
>>> same bus, that had problems recognizing the drives. I tried putting
>>> the 80Gb in a FW enclosure and that didn't work. About then I
>>> noticed the 3rd bus, tried that and that worked just fine.
> 
>> The third Bus in the MDD is ata 33 for the optical drive I think that
>> it's too slow for a HDD that's used for anything other than
>> storage.
> 
> The optical bus is ATA-3 but I'm not talking about that one.  The MDD
> also has "1 - Ultra ATA/66 (ATA-5), 1- ATA / 100 (ATA-6)" per MacTracker.  
> I'm talking about the ATA/66 bus.
> 
> In any event be it 33 or 66 it's still just fine for transferring the HD 
> especially if it avoids the problem the OP is having.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Clark Martin
> Redwood City, CA, USA
> Macintosh / Internet Consulting
> 
> "I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
> 
Sorry for that when you said third Bus I took it as the 33. I have put my Two 
118L Pioneers on the 66 so I can utilize full burn speeds, I have a 250 WD on 
the 33 for iTunes library.
But I had to mess with my MDD when I first got it to get the drives working 
properly, I did have to partition one to 180GB to allow OS9 to boot.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA






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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 11:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:17 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

\

You must want to see stuff on that HDD bad enough too try and get off
any spy stuff first??? Other wise you'd just do a zero init and move
on:-(


I got a full copy of Spectre off of a Mac Performa I found in the trash
at the side of the road. So osmetime's it's worth lookgin :-)


I've gotten a whole slew of programs off systems I've acquired.  I never 
have gotten one from the side of the road or from dumpster diving.  I 
contemplated picking up an iMac at the dump when I was dropping stuff 
off but it was no better than the two I already had sitting idle 
(although it might have been worth it for the memory and HD).


I got one machine from a local medical center with all sorts of notes on 
treatment but none was patient data.  I think if I had I might have 
reported it.  I do look at people's data, mostly out of curiosity as to 
how careless people can be.


I then format the drive, I don't bother zeroing it, that's a waste of time.

--
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Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"

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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Clark Martin]

On 2/21/10 10:58 AM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Clark Martin wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:


I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450
giga.

None the less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a problem
transferring data from my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a
Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I figured it would be best to ask the
experts (you guys). The drive that originally came with the
computer (Seagate 80gb ata/100) stopped working while transferring
data (now it's not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar
has corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the ata/100
bus, both drives set to CS. The computer works great, but somewhere
between the two drives when transferring data, everything gets
messed up. The original drives data seems fine, and it passes the
utility tests, as where the Deskstar now shows errors, and has
files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I
screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm open
to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks




I ran into something similar recently. First thing is you might try
 putting the "other" drive on the third ATA bus. Until I got the
MDD I didn't know it has 3 ATA busses.

The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I think, an
80Gb Deskstar. While it worked fine in the MDD, it won't work in a
Sawtooth (I had a 160 Gb HD from the Sawtooth I use in the MDD
now). Of two Firewire drives I've tested it in only one would see
it properly. I haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter of
the ATA version.

I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the 160 and copied
 everything back. I had tried doing it with the two drives on the
same bus, that had problems recognizing the drives. I tried putting
the 80Gb in a FW enclosure and that didn't work. About then I
noticed the 3rd bus, tried that and that worked just fine.



The third Bus in the MDD is ata 33 for the optical drive I think that
 it's too slow for a HDD that's used for anything other than
storage.


 The optical bus is ATA-3 but I'm not talking about that one.  The MDD
also has "1 - Ultra ATA/66 (ATA-5), 1- ATA / 100 (ATA-6)" per 
MacTracker.  I'm talking about the ATA/66 bus.


In any event be it 33 or 66 it's still just fine for transferring the HD 
especially if it avoids the problem the OP is having.



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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:17 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

\
You must want to see stuff on that HDD bad enough too try and get  
off any spy stuff first??? Other wise you'd just do a zero init and  
move on:-(


I got a full copy of Spectre off of a Mac Performa I found in the  
trash at the side of the road. So osmetime's it's worth lookgin :-)

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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Clark Martin wrote:


On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

> > I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450  
giga. None the less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a  
problem transferring data from my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a  
Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I figured it would be best to ask the  
experts (you guys). The drive that originally came with the  
computer (Seagate 80gb ata/100) stopped working while transferring  
data (now it's not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar  
has corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the ata/100  
bus, both drives set to CS. The computer works great, but somewhere  
between the two drives when transferring data, everything gets  
messed up. The original drives data seems fine, and it passes the  
utility tests, as where the Deskstar now shows errors, and has  
files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I  
screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm open  
to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks

> >

I ran into something similar recently.  First thing is you might  
try putting the "other" drive on the third ATA bus.  Until I got  
the MDD I didn't know it has 3 ATA busses.


The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I think, an  
80Gb Deskstar.  While it worked fine in the MDD, it won't work in a  
Sawtooth (I had a 160 Gb HD from the Sawtooth I use in the MDD  
now).  Of two Firewire drives I've tested it in only one would see  
it properly.  I haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter  
of the ATA version.


I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the 160 and copied  
everything back.  I had tried doing it with the two drives on the  
same bus, that had problems recognizing the drives.  I tried  
putting the 80Gb in a FW enclosure and that didn't work.  About  
then I noticed the 3rd bus, tried that and that worked just fine.


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Redwood City, CA, USA
Macintosh / Internet Consulting

"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"


The third Bus in the MDD is ata 33 for the optical drive I think  
that  it's too slow for a HDD that's used for anything other than  
storage.


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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Clark Martin]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

> > I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450 giga. 
None the less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a problem 
transferring data from my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a Deskstar 
80gb ata/100, and I figured it would be best to ask the experts (you 
guys). The drive that originally came with the computer (Seagate 80gb 
ata/100) stopped working while transferring data (now it's not 
recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar has corruption issues now. 
The drives are set up using the ata/100 bus, both drives set to CS. The 
computer works great, but somewhere between the two drives when 
transferring data, everything gets messed up. The original drives data 
seems fine, and it passes the utility tests, as where the Deskstar now 
shows errors, and has files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot 
of them). Did I screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? 
I'm open to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks

> >

I ran into something similar recently.  First thing is you might try 
putting the "other" drive on the third ATA bus.  Until I got the MDD I 
didn't know it has 3 ATA busses.


The other thing is the drive that came with it was, I think, an 80Gb 
Deskstar.  While it worked fine in the MDD, it won't work in a Sawtooth 
(I had a 160 Gb HD from the Sawtooth I use in the MDD now).  Of two 
Firewire drives I've tested it in only one would see it properly.  I 
haven't yet investigated it, it might be a matter of the ATA version.


I CCC'd the 160 Gb over to the 80Gb, reformatted the 160 and copied 
everything back.  I had tried doing it with the two drives on the same 
bus, that had problems recognizing the drives.  I tried putting the 80Gb 
in a FW enclosure and that didn't work.  About then I noticed the 3rd 
bus, tried that and that worked just fine.


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Bill Connelly]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, McGrude wrote:


This is the best way to delete your data

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o



Thanks ... I needed that,. Should the lefty be wearing that watch?

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[McGrude]

This is the best way to delete your data

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Dan wrote:


At 9:17 AM -0800 2/21/2010, John Carmonne wrote:
 >> Whenever you get your paws on a used computer or HD, ERASE the  
HD!

 > Please erase the hard drive before Dan explodes!

You must want to see stuff on that HDD bad enough too try and get  
off any spy stuff first??? Other wise you'd just do a zero init  
and move on:-(


I can't just zero a drive.  I always have to look first!  LOL

A couple of times, I've called the seller and asked them what I  
should do with their personal tidbits.  heh.  Gotta love those  
panic gasps over the phone...  You found what!?!?!?!?   :P


- Dan.
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I can relate to that, It happens each time I do a transfer on my  
doctors office machines. The office Chikadees always freak when I ask  
them if they want patients records archived. I already know the  
answer but I like to make a dent in their day:-)


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[===( )8>]

Dan writes,



Now we KNOW why you kept saying "just zero the HD" in the prior posts -- 
and why I personally never gave away or otherwise discarded computers 
without doing just that -- way before this webcam crap even existed.


LOL

~Yersinia.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Dan]

At 9:17 AM -0800 2/21/2010, John Carmonne wrote:

 >> Whenever you get your paws on a used computer or HD, ERASE the HD!
 > Please erase the hard drive before Dan explodes!

You must want to see stuff on that HDD bad enough too try and get 
off any spy stuff first??? Other wise you'd just do a zero init and 
move on:-(


I can't just zero a drive.  I always have to look first!  LOL

A couple of times, I've called the seller and asked them what I 
should do with their personal tidbits.  heh.  Gotta love those panic 
gasps over the phone...  You found what!?!?!?!?   :P


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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Kasey Smith wrote:

> 
> On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Dan wrote:
> 
>> Bottom line:  Whenever you get your paws on a used computer or HD, ERASE the 
>> HD!
>> 
>> You don't know, and you don't need to care.  Just ERASE the HDs.
>> 
>> Use Disk Utility.  Tell it to zero the drive with at least one pass.  Done.
>> --
>> Just ERASE the HD.
>> 
>> - Dan.
> 
> Please erase the hard drive before Dan explodes!
> 
You must want to see stuff on that HDD bad enough too try and get off any spy 
stuff first??? Other wise you'd just do a zero init and move on:-(


John Carmonne
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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Kasey Smith]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Dan wrote:

Bottom line:  Whenever you get your paws on a used computer or HD,  
ERASE the HD!
-- 
--

You don't know, and you don't need to care.  Just ERASE the HDs.

Use Disk Utility.  Tell it to zero the drive with at least one  
pass.  Done.
-- 


Just ERASE the HD.

- Dan.


Please erase the hard drive before Dan explodes!

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Dan]

At 7:40 AM -0800 2/21/2010, Jonas Lopez wrote:


As is sometimes true with a public posting, too much info and it 
does not get posted, too little and the reasons are not understood. 
At the very least, this is not a discussion about "how much I like 
my Mac" that was posted last week


Jonas, you sure take things to a whole new level, kindof zigzag and plaid.  :)

I and some friends refurb Macs and give to poor. Now, what could 
happen if some perv donated a box to us and we cleaned it up and 
gave it to a family with young children or young adults who put it 
in their bedrooms or wherever?


Over the years, I have received / bought used computers that came 
with all sorts of odd things on the hard drives - confidential 
information, tax records, VERY personal diaries, and even some 
spyware.


Bottom line:  Whenever you get your paws on a used computer or HD, 
ERASE the HD!


But we did not know that hidden in the various parts of the box was 
a spy just ready to peek!


You don't know, and you don't need to care.  Just ERASE the HDs.

Use Disk Utility.  Tell it to zero the drive with at least one pass.  Done.

Spyware and such cannot be stored in the firmware.  Besides there not 
being enough room to do so, sanity checks (CRC etc) prevent it.   The 
firmware has more important things to do - like running the computer.


Just ERASE the HD.

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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Chance Reecher]

No perv is going to go as far as to invest in enterprise level  
surveilence software just to "peek."


And I gave a good answer. Sorry if my casual introduction ticked you  
off.


Chance

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Jonas Lopez  wrote:


From: Chance Reecher 
Subject: Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD,  
or PRAM?

To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 6:42 PM
Dude, you're unbelievably paranoid.
It's not hidden in firmware, or in a special section of
the HD. It's in the OS, most likely hidden but in the
same area as the rest of the OS. Initialization would
destroy it. Besides, it's only going to be installed on the
computer if it was issued to you by someone with a reason to
remotely activate the webcam.


As is sometimes true with a public posting, too much info and it  
does not get posted, too little and the reasons are not understood.  
At the very least, this is not a discussion about "how much I like  
my Mac" that was posted last week


I and some friends refurb Macs and give to poor. Now, what could  
happen if some perv donated a box to us and we cleaned it up and  
gave it to a family with young children or young adults who put it  
in their bedrooms or wherever?


But we did not know that hidden in the various parts of the box was  
a spy just ready to peek!


With the current level of hysteria and a good leak of some pictures  
on Myspace as a joke, we would have unknowingly been put at risk and  
exposed as a problem not a solution.


So, you see, I am not at all a young "Dude, you're unbelievably  
paranoid"
or whatever kind of guy, just conducting an informal search for  
answers to "what ifs" that we need to know, just in case.


I hope you now have a better understanding of my motives and by the  
way, thanks for all the "good answers" posted.


jml




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Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?

[Jonas Lopez]

> From: Chance Reecher 
> Subject: Re: Hidden Remote Webcam activation is it in Firmware, HD, or PRAM?
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 6:42 PM
> Dude, you're unbelievably paranoid.
> It's not hidden in firmware, or in a special section of
> the HD. It's in the OS, most likely hidden but in the
> same area as the rest of the OS. Initialization would
> destroy it. Besides, it's only going to be installed on the
> computer if it was issued to you by someone with a reason to
> remotely activate the webcam. 

As is sometimes true with a public posting, too much info and it does not get 
posted, too little and the reasons are not understood. At the very least, this 
is not a discussion about "how much I like my Mac" that was posted last week

I and some friends refurb Macs and give to poor. Now, what could happen if some 
perv donated a box to us and we cleaned it up and gave it to a family with 
young children or young adults who put it in their bedrooms or wherever?

But we did not know that hidden in the various parts of the box was a spy just 
ready to peek!

With the current level of hysteria and a good leak of some pictures on Myspace 
as a joke, we would have unknowingly been put at risk and exposed as a problem 
not a solution.

So, you see, I am not at all a young "Dude, you're unbelievably paranoid"
or whatever kind of guy, just conducting an informal search for answers to 
"what ifs" that we need to know, just in case.

I hope you now have a better understanding of my motives and by the way, thanks 
for all the "good answers" posted.

jml


  

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Re: Script Issue #2

[Dan]

At 8:56 AM -0700 2/20/2010, Bruce Johnson wrote:

On Feb 19, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

I have NoScript and AdBlock Plus installed on FF
I go the BUSY SCRIPT or SCRIPT NOT RESPONDING warning box on this site
http://www.google.com/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Why would I get it on this page?
Also, how do I stop it?


Is Google.com in the whitelist for NoScript?

Adblock is oriented towards blocking ads, Google itself usess a 
large Javascipt library, and so even their basic page has some 
javascript running.


What happens if you go to this page with Safari?

It could well just be a FF problem. Clear your cache, clear your history.


FWIW, I cannot reproduce any such script slow errors, even on my 
300-MHz Smurf, with Safari or Firefox 3.6.  I'm thinking maybe he's 
foo'd the settings in AdBlock or NoScript or some other add-on or 
plug-in.


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Re: Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[John Carmonne]

On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Jake Zeppa wrote:

> I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450 giga. None the 
> less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a problem transferring data from 
> my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I figured it 
> would be best to ask the experts (you guys). The drive that originally came 
> with the computer (Seagate 80gb ata/100) stopped working while transferring 
> data (now it's not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar has 
> corruption issues now. The drives are set up using the ata/100 bus, both 
> drives set to CS. The computer works great, but somewhere between the two 
> drives when transferring data, everything gets messed up. The original drives 
> data seems fine, and it passes the utility tests, as where the Deskstar now 
> shows errors, and has files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of 
> them). Did I screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm 
> open to all suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks
> 
>   Jake
> 
> 
Well I have the exact same machine. And when I got mine I had some issues 
similar to you. So to save a lot of time and hair pulling this is what I would 
do.
You said you have a WD 80 GB drive that you want to move data from to your 
Deskstar 80GB in the G4 MDD?
Initialize the Deskstar 80 GB via Firewire using your 450. If the Deskstar is a 
boot drive that you want to save then run Diskwarrior on it via TDM from your 
450.

Remove everything from your MDD all drives except optical. all ram, all cables, 
pram batt,
let it sit for a couple of cups. then hold down the CUDA switch for 30 seconds
Install the Deskstar drive in the "FRONT BAY" of the MDD, then install the ram 
and pram batt, mouse and keyboard. nothing else.
Close he machine and Carbon Copy Clone the WD 80GB to the Deskstar 80 GB in the 
MDD. via Firewire TDM
Then I would run DiskWarrior on the Deskstar before I boot it. After It's up  
ad the rest of the drives you want, up to 4 internally.
BTW DiskWarrior should fix the Seagate also.


John Carmonne
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Hard drive issues with a MDD 1.25

[Jake Zeppa]

I just picked up a dual 1.25 MDD to replace my slow dual 450 giga. None the 
less, I've spent the last few hours fighting a problem transferring data from 
my old drive (80gb WD ata/100), to a Deskstar 80gb ata/100, and I figured it 
would be best to ask the experts (you guys). The drive that originally came 
with the computer (Seagate 80gb ata/100) stopped working while transferring 
data (now it's not recognized by any computer), and the Deskstar has corruption 
issues now. The drives are set up using the ata/100 bus, both drives set to CS. 
The computer works great, but somewhere between the two drives when 
transferring data, everything gets messed up. The original drives data seems 
fine, and it passes the utility tests, as where the Deskstar now shows errors, 
and has files I transfered that can't be opened (and a lot of them). Did I 
screw up somewhere, or could this be a computer problem? I'm open to all 
suggestions, and I really appreciate the help. Thanks

   Jake


  

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