Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:59 PM, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote: The make do's is what what life is about. Since I done the do's all my life (not just computers) , I don't know what I would do without them. -- Seriously consider it; they make life worthwhile. Evidently When you have done it all your life, make dos, work arounds, Goldberg and McGivering get very old and tiresome. mean nothing to you. 64 years of it means I'm SICK of it to me. Same here. The same ol' thing just gets old. Gotcha beat by six years! I have lost two loved one's during the last year (stroke and cancer) and going though that makes you really wonder what is important on this planet. OK fear Apple is a bad choice of words; don't care would have been better choice of words. As far poor goes, I just received my first meager SS check this month. Still wonder if I can pay the heating bills. I live in New England. Sorry if I set you off. I do appreciate your concerns. --glen PS rants are OK by me --well within reason. -- ;) Fair enough Glen. Hope you find a way to supplement your income. Eventually, inflation, (year it's there everytime you visit the supermarket), will work you into the poor farm. But The Steve only wants to help the already affluent. Another poster a couple of days ago suggested bringing back Wozniak for creativity. I think that Jobs is the creative one whereas Woz was the technical wiz kid. At any rate, ol' Steve has moved innovation into the marketing arena and has lost touch with what Apple used to be all about... JT Go Back to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cc2c452ef7e03d1d87st04duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Sarge3041969 electron25...@aol.comwrote: I am kinda wondering what we are supposed to do with all of these old Macs now that Apple has deemed them as useless? Maybe they will go the way of the old Mac Classics with everyone trying to make aquariums out of them? Strongest Mac project! Anyone else remember that? They used Classic and Color Classic Macs LOL Heck with them and their wallets, I will run My G4 until they stop selling electricity. I am on my G4 now. My Smurf and 8600/200 are on the desk as well, just not urned on at the moment. Nearly every old Mac I have still runs great. I think only 3 Pluses, t he 5260/100 the 5400/180 need to be worked on. O yes, the IIcx needs to have RAM installed -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic tools and using google to find fixes. The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and go low end. The only people I know who make money with computers seem to be the people who repair them for others who have no clue. Most people make money with skills, computers are just tools and recently just media devices. On Oct 23, 1:51 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com When you have done it all your life, make dos, work arounds, Goldberg and McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver headaches whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired , tired, tired i say. ( and the shouting masses behind me) I want an affordable mac that will do the job and be upgradeable in increments as I can afford them. At one time a used 7xoo filled that need. but the old clunker hasn't the horsepower to pull the tall gears of modern software even slowly. And saying it again for the upteenth time, Apple now actively working to break the balls of even much more recent machines demoralizes troupes more well heeled than I. so what chance do I have? Being poor does not seem to translate well even on Low End Mac pages ( If they are so poor why do they have or want computer? (TO USE AS TOOLS TO MAKE MONEY SO THEY WONT BE SO DAMNEDLY POOR ! THAT'sWHY !) [apologies to the sensitive. But one needs to shout when communications are not heard. LOW END to me means poor. People too poor to afford new computers. People too poor to afford costly repairs. People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs. If poor is not translatable then NEW END Mac would be a good place rather than being tortured by the rants of the relatively indigent. Fear Apple? That is not the subject. Asking Apple for some GD slack is more like it. Asking The Steve for a crumb from the table. Appealing to his beginnings. Get it ? -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; fluxstringerfluxstrin...@gmail.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringerhttp://www.facebook.com/FluxStringerhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunicationshttp://flux-influx.blogspot.com/http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.comhttp://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listScars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
I give up what is a smurph?
I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are. You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here. Just Curious -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I give up what is a smurph?
Smurf is the nickname for the BlueWhite tower PowerMac G3s. Chance On 10/23/10 12:41 PM, smac0031 wrote: I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are. You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here. Just Curious -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I give up what is a smurph?
On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:41 PM, smac0031 wrote: I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are. You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here. Just Curious Try looking through Mactracker: http://www.mactracker.ca/ Its free. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Vic vma...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote: Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a hard drive, eh? Bill http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium. .. m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29 I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school for computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will revolutionize desktop PC's one day. Of course the sample they showed was the size of a steering wheel. I believe the drive was from IBM. When I was in school, we had a hard drive - the size of a washing machine. The disk was replaceable and about 3 feet in diameter. Capacity? 1 megabyte... V Mabus Hmmm, I have plenty of older HDs. Physically my biggest SCSI is an old ST-296N. Capacity-wise I am not sure. Probably the one in my 8600/200 (unless the Smurf uses SCSI) I also have some MFM and RLL HDs but I lack an ESDI HD (it's on my list!) What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs? The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers? I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware) -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
At 6:55 AM -0700 10/23/2010, Powermac wrote: Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. Back in the 68k and PPC days, low end to me was any Mac not current. These days, low end to me is all 68k and PPC Macs, plus all Macs with x86 processors - current and previous. The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they need to make money. True, to a point. In this economy Macs are doing well while PCs are floundering -- so there must be something more to it. Selling only poorly made SUVs, in this decade, is perhaps not a great idea. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On 2010/10/20 17:03, Eric Herbert so eloquently wrote: This sounds awful since I've been an Apple user since birth (Parents bought their first Apple 2 weeks before I was born!) but if Apple goes ahead with this kindergarten approach they show on Lion, I may consider running Windows. Don't do it, there's always linux! ;-) Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I give up what is a smurph?
On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 AM, smac0031 wrote: I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are. Smurfs, NOT smurphs, the cartoon character, are blue and white. Smurfs, the G3 PowerMac, are also blue and white. For quite a while Smurfs were among the most affordable PowerMacs. These can be upgraded to G4, using a hacked MacOS ROM procedure. Alas, even Gigabit Ethernets are now exceptionally cheap, and there is probably no reason to go with the 10/100 Blue White G3 or the 10/100 slate G4s as the 10/100/1000 slate G4s and the 10/100/1000 silver G4s are now quite affordable. One negative is all of those mentioned have a very poor-performing USB system, and installing a 2.0/1.1 USB PCI card can be very useful. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I give up what is a smurph?
BW G3's are also the last of the ADB equipped macs, so if you have a bunch of adb stuff you still want to use (drawing tablets etc) then a BW G3 is nice to have around. On Oct 23, 1:49 pm, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 AM, smac0031 wrote: I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are. Smurfs, NOT smurphs, the cartoon character, are blue and white. Smurfs, the G3 PowerMac, are also blue and white. For quite a while Smurfs were among the most affordable PowerMacs. These can be upgraded to G4, using a hacked MacOS ROM procedure. Alas, even Gigabit Ethernets are now exceptionally cheap, and there is probably no reason to go with the 10/100 Blue White G3 or the 10/100 slate G4s as the 10/100/1000 slate G4s and the 10/100/1000 silver G4s are now quite affordable. One negative is all of those mentioned have a very poor-performing USB system, and installing a 2.0/1.1 USB PCI card can be very useful. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs? There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple II series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it was proprietary. The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside. For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they used SCSI. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic tools and using google to find fixes. Teo, How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux. I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for me. And a lot less The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and go low end. Preaching to the choir. But if The Steve remembers his anarchist hacker roots and has any empathy for the struggling masses and any belief at all in the bootstrap ability of low end capitalism ( a theory we do not hear the Chamber of Commerce preaching anymore, WHY ?) he would put out a $ 500 upgradeable,expandable Mac Mid Tower just to put his philosophy in the right place. And do not tell me it would be at a loss. It is all established tech. the development is already accomplished. Such a unit could be produced more easily than a button can be designed for an iPad app. And would sell like hotcakes. If other companies can see to the development of reading and communication for the third world why can't Apple throw a sop to the aspiring capitalist bootstrappers? I do not think this is asking too much from The Steve. And the good will and further consumer loyalty would bring returns for decades. I don't care anymore if a system bought new is only viable for a year or at the outside two ( horrific statement for a boomer right?) as long as I have made enough money to replace it. Corporations want a steadier cash-milk flow? Then let them provide an entry point to the dairy that is not so damned a big step at the bottom. As long as the milk is good and healthy what does the dairyman care about the size of the cow? ( content creators know Creative Cow analogies very well !) Apple has fostered content providers for decades and been rewarded well. Let them continue to be supportive. And without the need to gouge the teats. Smaller gentler demands will keep content creators working. And they are still a goodly portion of Apple customers. The only people I know who make money with computers seem to be the people who repair them for others who have no clue. Most people make money with skills, computers are just tools and recently just media devices. I'm sad you do not know any content creators. Not even a guy next door editing his band footage? Or an uncle in an attic trying to make the perfect porn compilation! Youngstown University must have some classes and coffee shops. Tusc campus of KSU too. Some campuses even have Apple stores to get the tools into the hands of students with mom-dad or otherwise clean credit records and no qualms about the costs as they have no idea how insanely hard it is to make a dollar. I know several here who now know. Years after graduation with a G4 'book they are paying off and a pile of student loan notices in the drawer. Some even sold their 'books or Minis for the price of a few pitchers of Goose Island and a lap dance. But this is a town where big careers have been made in media by a lucky few and anyway Macs go where the hype industry goes. Recently just media devices? Andy Warhol did a portrait at the Amiga inception in what 1985? Todd Rundgren did a self made animated music video on an Amiga back then too. Oh, yeah, you mean for recently just media devices for users of other platforms. I keep forgetting the dichotomy. But you are right, computers are just tools. And if Stanley priced their hammers and other tools like Apple prices computers far fewer carpenters could ply those skills. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On 2010/10/20 10:50, john Carmonne so eloquently wrote: On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Fluxstringer wrote: Lion ? Will Lion be compatible with PPC G5? Don't we wish. On second thought, maybe not. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:25 PM + 10/23/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac wrote: Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic tools and using google to find fixes. Teo, How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux. I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for me. And a lot less The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and go low end. [snip] Why can't people quote properly? Read the above. It makes little sense. ___ I use the gmail client online. if you used it you would know how hard it is ( despite much trying) to intercut a conversation and eliminate the attribution line. The web app has a mind of it's own. And I get tired of fighting it. As was said to me bluntly before by someone :) GET over it! -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 6:25 PM + 10/23/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac wrote: Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic tools and using google to find fixes. Teo, How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux. I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for me. And a lot less The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and go low end. [snip] Why can't people quote properly? Read the above. It makes little sense. I just read an intercut personal message from a friend. Her use of the conversational alternatives reminds me that were rich text to be legitimized on LEM we could use text formatting such as font or color to intercut and clarify for those who are challenged by comparing the response to the original. And in so doing plain texters could still read the posts. And LEM would make a long delayed 20 year leap in what is allowed. -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On 2010/10/20 12:55, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote: I went to the Apple site to watch the streaming video of the presentation and was rudely greeted with this: Streaming video requires Safari 4 or 5 on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Safari on iOS 3 or later. I'm on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8 and current Safari v. 5.0.2 (5533.18.5) and I CAN'T see the streaming video because it REQUIRES Snow Leopard 10.6!!! Sometimes Apple is so insane. Strangely enough I'm now watching the presentation on my G5 PM in OmniWeb no less. Perhaps someone screwed up the system requirements? Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs? There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple II series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it was proprietary. The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside. It was probably ST-506 on the inside, that was the most common interface at the time. Many of the early external SCSI drives were ST-506 with an adapter. There were three types of HD drives available for the Mac 512K (and possibly the 128K) before the Apple drive using the floppy port came out. There was a drive using the serial port (it didn't use AppleTalk, it used a proprietary 1 MBPS protocol. There were a couple of SCSI interfaces that used the battery compartment door for the 50 AMP SCSI connector. And of course there was the HyperDrive, the really cool one which put the drive inside the case (and more load on the power supply) For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they used SCSI. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Lacie disappearance
Ah, I shut down, unplugged, replugged and WALLAH! They showed up on my desktop! Immense thanks! On Oct 21, 4:58 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:53 PM, joan wrote: Have just reorganized my office and in the process of cord management, unplugged the LaCie and Maxtor backup HD's accidentally. Nowthey don't show up on the desktop. Any suggestions? G4 Quicksilver dual 867 w/ 2 GB Ram Did you shut everything down, then restart with the externals powered up first? Maybe try a PRAM reset if that doesn't work, and/or Starting up in Single User mode, then restart in regular mode. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
(snip) Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer. Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone enlighten me please. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside. I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really big floppy. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
At 5:40 PM -0400 10/23/2010, John Callahan wrote: Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer. Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone enlighten me please. Now is the time for panic. Yes, the world is changing. Apple is preparing a new version of OS X that will include new GUI stuff. Shock! Horrors! New GUI! OMG! Worse yet, it turns out that when Lion is released, the flux capacitors in your old Macs will implode -- leaving you nothing but burned out hulks. Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is writing a book. ...Marcus Tellius Cicero, statesman/orator/writer, (106-43 B.C.) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside. I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really big floppy. There was a MacBottom but I can't recall if it was SCSI or the floppy interface. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 23, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Dan wrote: GUI A graphical user interface (GUI), often pronounced gooey,[1] is a type of user interface that allows users to interact with programs in more ways than typing such as computers; hand-held devices such as MP3 players, portable media players or gaming devices; household appliances and office equipment with images rather than text commands. A GUI offers graphical icons, and visual indicators, as opposed to text-based interfaces, typed command labels or text navigation to fully represent the information and actions available to a user. The actions are usually performed through direct manipulation of the graphical elements. Thanks Dan. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver Issue
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: OK, my machine just shut down and when I fired it back up this is what was sent to Apple In plain english what is the issue Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies): com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI(2.5.5)@0x49b000 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.8.1)@0x467000 dependency:com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x491000 It appears to be a problem with a USB device or port, or possibly a USB PCI card, if you have one. (I believe that the onboard USB ports also make use of IOPCIFamily, too, although I'm not positive.) The crash happened in the usb driver : com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI The dependencies are system libraries that the USB driver was using at the time of the crash: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily What were you doing when it happened? What USB devices were plugged in? The one port has the following: USB KB (which has the Mouse and a Targus Card Reader which has a CompactFlash Card (FC-32M) in it. The other port has the following: 4 Port Hub which has a USB Flash Drive, 2 Digital Cameras (one is plugged in to a power cord and the other is not always plugged into the USB Hub) and a USB 4-Port Hub. This 2nd Hub has 3 USB Flash Drives and another 4 Port USB 2.0 Hub. NOW, this 3rd Hub has a power cord and only has 2 USB Flash Drives in it (I think the other 2 ports have died). The 2nd USB Hub needs a DC5V Power Cord (none of my cords fit it) The camera with no power cord does not have any place to plug one in. -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
Still have that 8500 case and the machine works great, but I have moved on to a G4 1.25Ghz Quicksilver for my fastest hobby mac (I am still a PC user for boring work related stuff). While I don't use the 8500 daily like I used to, that machine has been 100% reliable using the same components I purchased for it back in 2001. Maybe I am lucky but my hardware (even the ancient stuff) just seems to work forever, my issues tend to be brittle plastics (cosmetic). Few computer shops make money around here, mostly they just fix stuff other people can't be botherd to do (and mostly software). I feel sorry for owners who take machines to a shop to get them fixed at $50 a pop and the tech there is as bumb as a brick mindlessly swapping things until the machine stays on for 30 minutes then charging crazy money for cheap (and sometimes very used) parts. Its no wonder people just buy new all the time. My opinion is too many people want to make money sitting at home creating content with a computer (and willing to do it for next to nothing undercutting people with real talent). Many people would be much better off not going to college and learning a trade. People will allways need their roofs redone, plumbing fixed, oil changed, etc. On Oct 23, 2:25 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote: Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic tools and using google to find fixes. Teo, How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux. I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a little shop on the corner. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Curiosity Sastisfied. So That's What a Smurf is.
That answers my question. Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:40 PM, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.comwrote: (snip) Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer. Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone enlighten me please. John Callahan First I heard about your plaint and i am the original poster. If and lords of the manor are offended I am first on their s*it list. The title subject headlined a one word post symbolizing the dilemma. The word was Lion? and was an interrogatory as to the ramifications a new OS VERSION as opposed to an incremental upgrade. As the last incremental upgrade has had people scrambling to adapt non supported hardware for a year. What torture and suffering will Lion bring. whose machine will not boot anymore. And will Apple let Tiger run or break it mercilessly to send users to the Apple store tearfully submitting all forms of plastic credit? And on top of that and implied in the title were other announcements by The Steve as to what new edicts will be imposed. As well as a day or so before the pronouncements about the i world pocket enslavement system and the superiority of that to the open source Android free world devices which are the hopes of the opposers to The Steve. Even though his humble beginnings were with the rebels he now renounces those fallacious doctrines and ridicules the codes they engender. The former list nannies ( I still call them that) are now given the title Most Celestial Servants of the Mac Mother Meetings are on alternate Tuesdays in the hall behind the rectory. I tried to -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://remnantsofthestorm.blogspot.com http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
I took a video project to the talent's home tonight. They brought out an early Intel Mac laptop. The files were Quicktime. The small resolution overview played fine. The wide screen HQ files were only 1024 wide or so but played haltingly. Yuck! And streaming video off youtube was a joke. I do not mess with the machines of others. But there are 5 year old PCs that would not flinch at this. If it had been my machine I would have been very embarrassed. And Apple should be ashamed. An Intel Mac ! And too messed up to cut the mustard. Owned by the wife of a highly placed professor with access to a department IT guy. And Apple Care too boot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
