Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread James Therrault


On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:




On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:59 PM, glen glenst...@yahoo.com wrote:




	The make do's is what what life is about. Since I done the do's  
all my life (not
	just computers) , I don't know what I would do without them.  -- 
Seriously

consider it; they make  life worthwhile.

Evidently When you have done it all your life,  make dos, work  
arounds, Goldberg and
McGivering get very old and tiresome. mean nothing to you. 64  
years of it means  I'm SICK of it to me.


Same here.  The same ol' thing just gets old.  Gotcha beat by six years!


	I have lost two loved one's during the last year (stroke and  
cancer) and going
	though that  makes you really wonder what is important on this  
planet.


	OK fear Apple is a bad choice of words; don't care  would have  
been better

choice of words.

	As far poor goes, I just received my first meager SS check this  
month. Still
	wonder if I can pay the heating bills. I live in New England.  
Sorry if I set you

off. I do appreciate your concerns.  --glen

PS rants are OK by me --well within reason. -- ;)

Fair enough Glen. Hope you find a way to supplement your income.


Eventually, inflation, (year it's there everytime you visit the  
supermarket), will work you into the poor farm.




But The Steve only wants to help the already affluent.


Another poster a couple of days ago suggested bringing back Wozniak  
for creativity.  I think that Jobs is the creative one whereas Woz  
was the technical wiz kid.  At any rate, ol' Steve has moved  
innovation into the marketing arena and has lost touch with what  
Apple used to be all about...


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Sarge3041969 electron25...@aol.comwrote:

  I am kinda
 wondering what
 we are supposed to do with all of these old Macs now that Apple has
 deemed
 them as useless? Maybe they will go the way of the old Mac Classics
 with
 everyone trying to make aquariums out of them?


Strongest Mac project!
Anyone else remember that? They used Classic and Color Classic Macs


 LOL Heck with them and
 their
 wallets, I will run My G4 until they stop selling electricity.


I am on my G4 now. My Smurf and 8600/200 are on the desk as well, just not
urned on at the moment.

Nearly every old Mac I have still runs great. I think only 3 Pluses, t he
5260/100  the 5400/180 need to be worked on. O yes, the IIcx needs to have
RAM installed





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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Powermac
Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor
stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to
work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic
tools and using google to find fixes.

The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they
need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new
PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is
usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to
base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines
because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people
who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and
go low end.

The only people I know who make money with computers seem to be the
people who repair them for others who have no clue. Most people make
money with skills, computers are just tools and recently just media
devices.

On Oct 23, 1:51 am, Richard Gerome onecoolka...@earthlink.net wrote:
 From: Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com
 When you have done it all your life,  make dos, work arounds, Goldberg and 
 McGivering get very old and tiresome. PCs promise a lot and deliver headaches 
 whether 'Nux or Winslowz. I am tired , tired, tired i say. ( and the shouting 
 masses behind me) I want an affordable mac that will do the job and be 
 upgradeable in increments as I can afford them.
 At one time a used 7xoo filled that need. but the old clunker hasn't the 
 horsepower to pull the tall gears of modern software even slowly.
 And saying it again for the upteenth time, Apple now actively working to 
 break the balls of even much more recent machines demoralizes troupes more 
 well heeled than I. so what chance do I have?
 Being poor does not seem to translate well even on Low End Mac pages ( If 
 they are so poor why do they have or want computer? (TO USE AS TOOLS TO MAKE 
 MONEY SO THEY WONT BE SO DAMNEDLY POOR !  THAT'sWHY !) [apologies to the 
 sensitive. But one needs to shout when communications are not heard.
 LOW END to me means poor.
 People too poor to afford new computers.
 People too poor to afford costly repairs.
 People too poor to listen to the more affluent dismiss their needs.
 If poor is not translatable then NEW END Mac would be a good place rather 
 than being tortured by the rants of the relatively indigent.
 Fear Apple? That is not the subject. Asking Apple for some GD slack is more 
 like it. Asking The Steve for a crumb from the table. Appealing to his 
 beginnings.
 Get it ?
  

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I give up what is a smurph?

2010-10-23 Thread smac0031
I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are.
You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here.

Just Curious

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Re: I give up what is a smurph?

2010-10-23 Thread Chance Reecher

Smurf is the nickname for the BlueWhite tower PowerMac G3s.

Chance

On 10/23/10 12:41 PM, smac0031 wrote:

I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are.
You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here.

Just Curious



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Re: I give up what is a smurph?

2010-10-23 Thread Bill Connelly


On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:41 PM, smac0031 wrote:


I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are.
You should realize you're talking to Poppa Smurph here.

Just Curious



Try looking through Mactracker:
http://www.mactracker.ca/

Its free.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Vic vma...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Oct 22, 3:48 pm, Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 22/10/10 4:14 PM, Bill Brown thunder...@mindspring.com wrote:
 
   Wow!! Take a look at this stuff!! A little expensive for a
   hard drive, eh?
 
   Bill
 
  http://www.oddee.com/item_97232.aspx?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium.
 ..
   m_campaign=Feed%3A+Oddee+%28Oddee%29
 
  I remember watching a television series (via video tape) in high school
 for
  computer class and one episode discussed hard drives and how they will
  revolutionize desktop PC's one day.  Of course the sample they showed was
  the size of a steering wheel.  I believe the drive was from IBM.

 When I was in school, we had a hard drive - the size of a washing
 machine.  The disk was replaceable and about 3 feet in diameter.
 Capacity? 1 megabyte...
 V Mabus


Hmmm, I have plenty of older HDs.

Physically my biggest SCSI is an old ST-296N. Capacity-wise I am not sure.
Probably the one in my 8600/200 (unless the Smurf uses SCSI)

I also have some MFM and RLL HDs but I lack an ESDI HD (it's on my list!)


What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?

The Commodore computers? The ADAM Home Computers?


I wonder because I have a Commodore Plus/4 and a C=64 as well as an old ADAM
Home Computer. I know the ADAM took tapes but I heard it could use an HD as
well (never investigated this so maybe it was akin to Vaporware)


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Dan

At 6:55 AM -0700 10/23/2010, Powermac wrote:

Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems.


Back in the 68k and PPC days, low end to me was any Mac not 
current.  These days, low end to me is all 68k and PPC Macs, plus 
all Macs with x86 processors - current and previous.


The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they 
need to make money.


True, to a point.  In this economy Macs are doing well while PCs are 
floundering -- so there must be something more to it.  Selling only 
poorly made SUVs, in this decade, is perhaps not a great idea.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/20 17:03, Eric Herbert so eloquently wrote:

This sounds awful since I've been an Apple user since birth (Parents
bought their first Apple 2 weeks before I was born!) but if Apple
goes ahead with this kindergarten approach they show on Lion, I may
consider running Windows.


Don't do it, there's always linux! ;-)

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Re: I give up what is a smurph?

2010-10-23 Thread Peter Haas


On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 AM, smac0031 wrote:


I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are.


Smurfs, NOT smurphs, the cartoon character, are blue and white.

Smurfs, the G3 PowerMac, are also blue and white.

For quite a while Smurfs were among the most affordable PowerMacs.  
These can be upgraded to G4, using a hacked MacOS ROM procedure.


Alas, even Gigabit Ethernets are now exceptionally cheap, and there  
is probably no reason to go with the 10/100 Blue  White G3 or the  
10/100 slate G4s as the 10/100/1000 slate G4s and the 10/100/1000  
silver G4s are now quite affordable.


One negative is all of those mentioned have a very poor-performing  
USB system, and installing a 2.0/1.1 USB PCI card can be very useful.





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Re: I give up what is a smurph?

2010-10-23 Thread Powermac
BW G3's are also the last of the ADB equipped macs, so if you have a
bunch of adb stuff you still want to use (drawing tablets etc) then a
BW G3 is nice to have around.



On Oct 23, 1:49 pm, Peter Haas peterh...@cruzio.com wrote:
 On Oct 23, 2010, at 9:41 AM, smac0031 wrote:

  I've seen references to smurphs before. I have no idea what they are.

 Smurfs, NOT smurphs, the cartoon character, are blue and white.

 Smurfs, the G3 PowerMac, are also blue and white.

 For quite a while Smurfs were among the most affordable PowerMacs.  
 These can be upgraded to G4, using a hacked MacOS ROM procedure.

 Alas, even Gigabit Ethernets are now exceptionally cheap, and there  
 is probably no reason to go with the 10/100 Blue  White G3 or the  
 10/100 slate G4s as the 10/100/1000 slate G4s and the 10/100/1000  
 silver G4s are now quite affordable.

 One negative is all of those mentioned have a very poor-performing  
 USB system, and installing a 2.0/1.1 USB PCI card can be very useful.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?


There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple  
II series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it  
was proprietary.


The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  
Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  
on the inside.


For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they  
used SCSI.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor
 stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to
 work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic
 tools and using google to find fixes.


Teo,

How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS
fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize
how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that
is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money
part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly
enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you
want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You
Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have
made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux.

I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a
little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for me.
And a lot less


 The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they
 need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new
 PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is
 usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to
 base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines
 because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people
 who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and
 go low end.

 Preaching to the choir. But if The Steve remembers his anarchist hacker
roots and has any empathy for the struggling masses and any belief at all in
the bootstrap ability of  low end capitalism ( a theory we do not hear the
Chamber of Commerce preaching anymore, WHY ?) he would put out a $ 500
upgradeable,expandable Mac Mid Tower just to put his philosophy in the right
place. And do not tell me it would be at a loss. It is all established tech.
the development is already accomplished. Such a unit could be produced more
easily than a button can be designed for an iPad app. And would sell like
hotcakes.

If other companies can see to the development of reading and communication
for the third world why can't Apple throw a sop to the aspiring capitalist
bootstrappers? I do not think this is asking too much from The Steve.

And the good will and further consumer loyalty would bring returns for
decades. I don't care anymore if a system bought new is only viable for a
year or at the outside two ( horrific statement for a boomer right?) as long
as I have made enough money to replace it. Corporations want a steadier
cash-milk flow? Then let them provide an entry point to the dairy that is
not so damned a big step at the bottom. As long as the milk is good and
healthy what does the dairyman care about the size of the cow? ( content
creators know Creative Cow analogies very well !) Apple has fostered content
providers for decades and been rewarded well. Let them continue to be
supportive. And without the need to gouge the teats. Smaller gentler demands
will keep content creators working. And they are still a goodly portion of
Apple customers.



 The only people I know who make money with computers seem to be the
 people who repair them for others who have no clue. Most people make
 money with skills, computers are just tools and recently just media
 devices.

 I'm sad you do not know any content creators. Not even a guy next door
editing his band footage?  Or an uncle in an attic trying to make the
perfect porn compilation! Youngstown University must have some classes and
coffee shops. Tusc campus of KSU too. Some campuses even have Apple stores
to get the tools into the hands of students with mom-dad or otherwise clean
credit records and no qualms about the costs as they have no idea how
insanely hard it is to make a dollar. I know several here who now know.
Years after graduation with a G4 'book they are paying off and a pile of
student loan notices in the drawer. Some even sold their 'books or Minis for
the price of a few pitchers of Goose Island and a lap dance. But this is a
town where big careers have been made in media by a lucky few and anyway
Macs go where the hype industry goes.



Recently just media devices? Andy Warhol did a portrait at the Amiga
inception in what 1985? Todd Rundgren did a self made animated music video
on an Amiga back then too. Oh, yeah, you mean for  recently just media
devices for users of other platforms. I keep forgetting the dichotomy. But
you are right, computers are just tools. And if Stanley priced their hammers
and other tools  like Apple prices computers far fewer carpenters could ply
those skills.


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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/20 10:50, john Carmonne so eloquently wrote:

On Oct 20, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Fluxstringer wrote:


Lion ?


Will Lion be compatible with PPC G5?


Don't we wish. On second thought, maybe not.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:

 At 6:25 PM + 10/23/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

  On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac wrote:
 Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor
 stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to
 work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic
 tools and using google to find fixes.

 Teo,

 How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS
 fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize
 how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that
 is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money
 part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly
 enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you
 want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You
 Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have
 made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux.

 I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you
 a little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for
 me. And a lot less

 The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they
 need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new
 PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is
 usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to
 base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines
 because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people
 who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and
 go low end.

 [snip]

 Why can't people quote properly?  Read the above.  It makes little sense.


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As was said to me bluntly before by someone :) GET over it!










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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote:

 At 6:25 PM + 10/23/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:

  On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac wrote:
 Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor
 stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to
 work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic
 tools and using google to find fixes.

 Teo,

 How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS
 fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize
 how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that
 is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money
 part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly
 enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you
 want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You
 Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have
 made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux.

 I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you
 a little shop on the corner. Creating content is a lot more satisfying for
 me. And a lot less

 The fact is the computer indistry doesn't care what you want, they
 need to make money. The reason you have so much crap loaded onto a new
 PC is because companies pay the OEMs to include it and that money is
 usually all the profit in selling new machines (outside of upgrades to
 base models). Apple could care less about basic low end machines
 because it cannot make the profit on them that it likes, and people
 who would have purchased a more profitable machine might get cheap and
 go low end.

 [snip]

 Why can't people quote properly?  Read the above.  It makes little sense.



I just read an intercut personal message from a friend.

Her use of the conversational alternatives reminds me that were rich text to
be legitimized on LEM we could use text formatting such as font or color to
intercut and clarify for those who are challenged by comparing the response
to the original.

And in so doing plain texters could still read the posts. And LEM would make
a long delayed 20 year leap in what is allowed.



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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Tina K.

On 2010/10/20 12:55, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

I went to the Apple site to watch the streaming video of the
presentation and was rudely greeted with this:

Streaming video requires Safari 4 or 5 on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or
Safari on iOS 3 or later.

I'm on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8 and current Safari v. 5.0.2 (5533.18.5) and
I CAN'T see the streaming video because it REQUIRES Snow Leopard 10.6!!!

Sometimes Apple is so insane.


Strangely enough I'm now watching the presentation on my G5 PM in 
OmniWeb no less. Perhaps someone screwed up the system requirements?


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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 23, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

 
 On Oct 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:
 
 What were the HDs for the Apple and early (Plus, SE, etc.) Macs?
 
 There was a very expensive 5MB Winchester hard drive for the Apple II 
 series,. I don't remember what the interface was, but believe it was 
 proprietary.
 
 The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk 
 port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside.

It was probably ST-506 on the inside, that was the most common interface at the 
time.  Many of the early external SCSI drives were ST-506 with an adapter.

There were three types of HD drives available for the Mac 512K (and possibly 
the 128K) before the Apple drive using the floppy port came out.  There was a 
drive using the serial port (it didn't use AppleTalk, it used a proprietary 1 
MBPS protocol.  There were a couple of SCSI interfaces that used the battery 
compartment door for the 50 AMP SCSI connector.  And of course there was the 
HyperDrive, the really cool one which put the drive inside the case (and more 
load on the power supply)

 For all Macs from the Plus on, until the advent of IDE drives, they used SCSI.

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Re: Lacie disappearance

2010-10-23 Thread joan
Ah, I shut down, unplugged, replugged and WALLAH! They showed up on my
desktop! Immense thanks!

On Oct 21, 4:58 pm, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:53 PM, joan wrote:

  Have just reorganized my office and in the process of cord management,
  unplugged the LaCie and Maxtor backup HD's accidentally. Nowthey don't
  show up on the desktop. Any suggestions?
  G4 Quicksilver dual 867 w/ 2 GB Ram

 Did you shut everything down, then restart with the externals powered  
 up first?

 Maybe try a PRAM reset if that doesn't work, and/or Starting up in  
 Single User mode, then restart in regular mode.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread John Callahan

(snip)
Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about  
IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read  
thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer.  
Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the  
Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies  
have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone  
enlighten me please.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Doug McNutt
At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote:
The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  Appletalk 
port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  on the inside.

I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D 
connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really big 
floppy.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Dan

At 5:40 PM -0400 10/23/2010, John Callahan wrote:
Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about 
IS the world about to change ? is and although I have read 
thousands of comments about the subject failed to receive an answer. 
Either no one knows or I have somehow done something to offend the 
Lords of the Manor (I know that the ones formerly called Nannies 
have a new title but don't remember what it is). Would someone 
enlighten me please.


Now is the time for panic.  Yes, the world is changing.  Apple is 
preparing a new version of OS X that will include new GUI stuff. 
Shock!  Horrors!  New GUI!  OMG!  Worse yet, it turns out that when 
Lion is released, the flux capacitors in your old Macs will implode 
-- leaving you nothing but burned out hulks.


Times are bad.  Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone 
is writing a book.

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Re: Interesting Vintage Website

2010-10-23 Thread Clark Martin

On Oct 23, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

 At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the  
 Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI  on the 
 inside.
 
 I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D 
 connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really 
 big floppy.


There was a MacBottom but I can't recall if it was SCSI or the floppy 
interface.  

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread John Callahan


On Oct 23, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Dan wrote:


GUI


A graphical user interface (GUI), often pronounced gooey,[1] is a  
type of user interface that allows users to interact with programs in  
more ways than typing such as computers; hand-held devices such as  
MP3 players, portable media players or gaming devices; household  
appliances and office equipment with images rather than text  
commands. A GUI offers graphical icons, and visual indicators, as  
opposed to text-based interfaces, typed command labels or text  
navigation to fully represent the information and actions available  
to a user. The actions are usually performed through direct  
manipulation of the graphical elements.


Thanks Dan.

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Re: Quicksilver Issue

2010-10-23 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
 wrote:


 On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

  OK, my machine just shut down and when I fired it back up this is what
 was
  sent to Apple
  In plain english what is the issue
 
 
   Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
  com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI(2.5.5)@0x49b000
 dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily(2.8.1)@0x467000
 dependency:com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x491000

 It appears to be a problem with a USB device or port, or possibly a USB PCI
 card, if you have one. (I believe that the onboard USB ports also make use
 of IOPCIFamily, too, although I'm not positive.)

 The crash happened in the usb driver :

 com.apple.driver.AppleUSBOHCI

 The dependencies are system libraries that the USB driver was using at the
 time of the crash:

 com.apple.iokit.IOUSBFamily
 com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily

 What were you doing when it happened? What USB devices were plugged in?



The one port  has the following:

USB KB (which has the Mouse and a Targus Card Reader which has a
CompactFlash Card (FC-32M) in it.

The other port has the following:

4 Port Hub which has a USB Flash Drive, 2 Digital Cameras (one is plugged in
to a power cord and the other is not always plugged into the USB Hub) and a
USB 4-Port Hub. This 2nd Hub has 3 USB Flash Drives and another 4 Port USB
2.0 Hub. NOW, this 3rd Hub has a power cord and only has 2 USB Flash Drives
in it (I think the other 2 ports have died).

The 2nd USB Hub needs a DC5V Power Cord (none of my cords fit it)
The camera with no power cord does not have any place to plug one in.

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Powermac
Still have that 8500 case and the machine works great, but I have
moved on to a G4 1.25Ghz Quicksilver for my fastest hobby mac (I am
still a PC user for boring work related stuff). While I don't use the
8500 daily like I used to, that machine has been 100% reliable using
the same components I purchased for it back in 2001. Maybe I am lucky
but my hardware (even the ancient stuff) just seems to work forever,
my issues tend to be brittle plastics (cosmetic). Few computer shops
make money around here, mostly they just fix stuff other people can't
be botherd to do (and mostly software). I feel sorry for owners who
take machines to a shop to get them fixed at $50 a pop and the tech
there is as bumb as a brick mindlessly swapping things until the
machine stays on for 30 minutes then charging crazy money for cheap
(and sometimes very used) parts. Its no wonder people just buy new all
the time.

My opinion is too many people want to make money sitting at home
creating content with a computer (and willing to do it for next to
nothing undercutting people with real talent). Many people would be
much better off not going to college and learning a trade. People will
allways need their roofs redone, plumbing fixed, oil changed, etc.

On Oct 23, 2:25 pm, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Powermac teozen...@gmail.com wrote:
  Low end to me means the basic models, starter systems. If you are poor
  stick to an older used PC you can get for little money. Also learn to
  work on your own machines when they fail, this means buying some basic
  tools and using google to find fixes.

 Teo,

 How IS that 8500 case I handed over in Niles doing? Yeah, what you say WAS
 fine until you actually try to make some money with them. Then you realize
 how HARD it is. And whatever money you can make is wasted in a machine that
 is still problem fraught and unproductive.I guess the trying to make money
 part and the been doing that for way too long parts were not stated loudly
 enough. Hobbyist work arounds are fine when you are a hobbyist. When you
 want to CREATE the constant problems of old systems kill your effort. You
 Know me from this list at least from when we met in 2003. I think I have
 made myself plain about PC too. And do not forget my disdain of Linux.

 I want to create content. Being a perpetual computer mechanic may get you a
 little shop on the corner.

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Curiosity Sastisfied. So That's What a Smurf is.

2010-10-23 Thread smac0031
That answers my question.

Thanks

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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:40 PM, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.comwrote:

 (snip)
 Recently I had the temerity to ask what all the conversation about IS the
 world about to change ? is and although I have read thousands of comments
 about the subject failed to receive an answer. Either no one knows or I have
 somehow done something to offend the Lords of the Manor (I know that the
 ones formerly called Nannies have a new title but don't remember what it
 is). Would someone enlighten me please.
  John Callahan


First I heard about your plaint and i am the original poster. If and lords
of the manor are offended I am first on their s*it list.

The title subject headlined a one word post symbolizing the dilemma.

The word was  Lion? and was an interrogatory as to the ramifications a new
OS VERSION
as opposed to an incremental upgrade. As the last incremental upgrade has
had people scrambling to adapt non supported hardware for a year. What
torture and suffering will Lion bring. whose machine will not boot anymore.
And will Apple let Tiger run or break it mercilessly  to send users to the
Apple store tearfully submitting all forms of plastic credit?

And on top of that and implied in the title were other announcements by The
Steve as to what new edicts will be imposed. As well as a day or so before
the pronouncements about the i world pocket enslavement system and the
superiority of that to the open source Android  free world devices which are
the hopes of the opposers to The Steve.

Even though his humble beginnings were with the rebels he now renounces
those fallacious doctrines and ridicules the codes they engender.

The former list nannies ( I still call them that) are now given the title 
Most Celestial Servants of the Mac Mother  Meetings are on alternate
Tuesdays in the hall behind the rectory.

I tried to



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Re: IS the world about to change ?

2010-10-23 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio
I took a video project  to the talent's home tonight. They brought out an
early Intel Mac laptop.
The files were Quicktime. The small resolution overview played fine. The
wide screen HQ files were only 1024 wide or so but played haltingly. Yuck!

And streaming video off youtube was a joke. I do not mess with the machines
of others. But there are 5 year old PCs that would not flinch at this. If it
had been my machine I would have been very embarrassed. And Apple should be
ashamed.

An Intel Mac !  And too messed up to cut the mustard. Owned by the wife of a
highly placed professor with access to a department IT guy. And Apple Care
too boot.

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