Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
On 12/7/12 15:34 PM, frrob wrote: Hello! I have a MDD G4, 1.25 GHz DP, 10.5.8. Last night I installed a Radeon 9800 Pro 128M AGP (DVI) card, replacing the stock Radeon 9000 68M (ADC). My main motivation for doing this was to have a 128M card, so as to run snip=== Did you get a driver disk w/ it? If not there is on Lem swap. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
Flags: I'll check the swap list for that driver. However, according to the ATI website, Leopard has the most up-to-date driver for the 9800 in it already. Thanks, Rob J. On Monday, December 10, 2012 7:35:30 AM UTC-5, flags wrote: > > On 12/7/12 15:34 PM, frrob wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I have a MDD G4, 1.25 GHz DP, 10.5.8. Last night I installed a Radeon > > 9800 Pro 128M AGP (DVI) card, replacing the stock Radeon 9000 68M (ADC). > > My main motivation for doing this was to have a 128M card, so as to run > > snip=== > > Did you get a driver disk w/ it? If not there is on Lem swap. > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
Bob: I'll check that heat sink and screws when I get back. Thanks, Rob J. On Monday, December 10, 2012 1:58:59 AM UTC-5, grizzledgiant wrote: > > Sorry, Rob, I didn't read down all the way before replying. > About the full fan speed. Mine did that when I first got it (used). > The heat sink screws were loose when I removed it. I put new Arctic > Silver 5 paste on it and made sure the screws were tight. It quieted > down. > > Bob > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
Valter: I would call an AGP card that draws 75 watts a "power hog" all right. I had, by my own rough calculation, thought that the card might draw 45-50 watts. But I could see that 75 might well overtax the power supply. Speaking of which, my MDD has the 360 watt PS. I have seen that there are 400 watt units also for the MDD. Any idea why the different versions? Is the 400 watt unit just a later version, or what? If the PSU is really the culprit, I would replace my 360 watt PSU with the 400 watt version before I repaired the 360 watt one. Finally, I did reset the PMU, twice. I forgot to mention that. No effect on the problem. I'll let the group know what happens. Thanks, Rob J. On Sunday, December 9, 2012 10:17:34 PM UTC-5, Valter Viglietti wrote: > > Il giorno 10/12/12 03:41, frrob ha scritto: > > > The only thing to try, as Valter, Mac User #330250, and Wayne have > > suggested, is to remove the last things - the SCSI RAID, the UL3D, and > the > > USB 2.0 card, and see what happens. The thing is, even if that worked, I > > don't *want* to run the machine that way. I want my RAID, and you pretty > > much need USB 2.0. > I agree; this suggestion was not meant to make you run an "handicapped" > Mac > ;-) but to make absolutely sure the problem was about not enough power. > Once you knew it was that (or not), you could think about something else. > > From what you reported, anyway, I don't think the problem is lack of > power. > But IMO is worth making the above check, just to be sure. > > > The fact is, I ran all of the above with the stock 9000 card and an > Apple > > ADC 23 inch monitor, without a hitch. For a while I even ran a 5th hard > > drive in the machine with no problems. Now that monitor draws its power > > from the machine. Wouldn't the absence of the ADC monitor drawing power > be > > some sort of compensation for the power needs of the 9800? > Yes and no. A 23" monitor should draw around 40W; the 9800 obviously needs > more. > > > The 9800 must be some kind of monster power hog > From what I gathered on the Net, it should draw around 75W under normal > conditions (maybe more when running 3D intensive applications). > > > It seems as though the MDD really *likes* having an ADC monitor > connected > > to it. > Maybe something got "stuck" in the power mangement unit. > Did you try to reset the PMU? ( Power Management Unit) > See Apple's page: > http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1939 > > (knock on wood, it might have something to do with the 9800 issue as well; > worth a try) > > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
On 10/12/2012 02:41, "frrob" wrote: > Hello again everyone! > > Again, thanks for all the feedback and suggestions. > > Sooner or later, when you keep banging your head against a wall, you reach a > point of saying "f*%k it. It's not worth the trouble." I am about at that > point. I have spent almost all my free time for the last 2 days farting around > with this thing. The 'not connected' diagram is only supposed to show up when there is no power to the card - so if the molex splitter is good and tests out with a hd or an optical then the problem may lie with the molex socket on the card or it's connections to the rest of the card - maybe a damaged trace or a resistor missing. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
Il giorno 11/12/12 03:41, frrob ha scritto: > Valter: > > I would call an AGP card that draws 75 watts a "power hog" all right. It was the most powerful card of its times... power always has a price. ;-) > Speaking of which, my MDD has the 360 watt PS. I have seen that there are > 400 watt units also for the MDD. Any idea why the different versions? Is > the 400 watt unit just a later version, or what? AFAIK, quite the contrary: according to MacTracker, first generation MDDs had the 400W PS, subsequent versions (FW 800 and 2003) had the 360W. Perhaps the design became more power-efficient; I don't know if the two PS are interchangeable. > My main motivation for doing this was to have a 128M card, so as to run a > larger monitor at full resolution I don't know about your 9000 card, but I think 64MB are more than enough to drive high-res monitor and/or dual monitors (as long as the card has two ports). I did run dual monitors (21" and 15") on a meager 32MB Geforce 2 MX. Unless for "larger monitor" you mean a 30" display or such (that might require a beefier card). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
On 12/10/12 22:14 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 11/12/12 03:41, frrob ha scritto: Valter: I would call an AGP card that draws 75 watts a "power hog" all right. It was the most powerful card of its times... power always has a price. ;-) If you can find an old AT power supply, they have a switch to power on/off. I have in the past used one to power extra external hard drives and fans for cooling the drives . Of course this requires leaving case open, or cutting and splicing after running through a hole. This dual 867 MDD has 2 hds under PS (400 watt), 2 HDs setting on top of 2 optical drives but belong under and from time to time up to 2 sata drive loose outside case on a pci card, and a pci usb card. There is a 5" fan on top of processor heat sink and 2 1/2" fan hanging from airport cage (both 12 volt DC). About a foot away I have 2 5" ac fans blowing at MB. Also there is a fire dvdR burner and assorted firewire and/or usb hard drives attached. I been starting to think it's time to power from another source especially if I add more SATA and Firewire controllers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD G4 odd start/restart behavior - new video card
Hello Rob: I forgot to mention, the tightening sequence is important also: Right front, Left rear, Left front, Right rear. The right rear is a sheet metal mount from the case and can have a lot of variance in height. Bob On Dec 10, 2012, at 8:32 PM, frrob wrote: Bob: I'll check that heat sink and screws when I get back. Thanks, Rob J. On Monday, December 10, 2012 1:58:59 AM UTC-5, grizzledgiant wrote: Sorry, Rob, I didn't read down all the way before replying. About the full fan speed. Mine did that when I first got it (used). The heat sink screws were loose when I removed it. I put new Arctic Silver 5 paste on it and made sure the screws were tight. It quieted down. Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
