Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On 2011/03/11 22:00, Sean Carroll wrote: I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop. Keep in mind that the driver OS compatibility is misleading, at least for the 5.1. There is a 'final' driver that is marked for 10.4 and a 'beta' driver marked for 10.5, but if you download run the 'beta' it will say it supports 10.4 10.5. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Keep in mind that the driver OS compatibility is misleading, at least for the 5.1. There is a 'final' driver that is marked for 10.4 and a 'beta' driver marked for 10.5, but if you download run the 'beta' it will say it supports 10.4 10.5. Thanks. Last I checked, all these cards that been on Amazon and eBay had disappeared. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote: As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that actually sound quite good. See here: http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/ These drivers say nothing about Intel only, and normally Leopard 10.5 drivers are universal so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on PPC Macs also? My understanding is there are ones for Snow Leopard and Leopard. Hope Leopard is for PPCs ... I'm trying to get the Envy24 drivers to install and load on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.8 for an M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card ... trying to contact the designer about what I might be doing wrong. Doesn't load so far. Sent him/her my machine specs in the form of a System Profiler report. Was excited to hear of some drivers under Leopard, even without the MIDI support ... -- They creator says this is only for Hackintosh machines. It would not load on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, where I have trouble with M- Audio's drivers, under Leopard 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Thanks, Bill. Though I'm not looking to M-Audio for anything I'd record my own music with (I wouldn't dare, after what I've read), your experience echoes the overall tenor of what I've read elsewhere. Frustration. So the hardware is good and the drivers suck and support does not exist. The driver situation doesn't bode well. Anything could happen. Support, well... since when could I expect support for a Sawtooth or anything I could possibly put into it (aside from this here list itself, of course)? Unfortunately, for my machine, one of the M-Audio Revolutions seems to be the only game in town. I've seen them on eBay for cheap, but I have no experience with eBay and no trust. At the right price, the M-Audio could be worth taking a chance on. I guess I'll keep an eye on LEM Swap for a while. Over and out. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that actually sound quite good. See here: http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/ Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote: As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that actually sound quite good. See here: http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/ These drivers say nothing about Intel only, and normally Leopard 10.5 drivers are universal so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on PPC Macs also? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:54 AM, imrazor wrote: As a final note, I'd like to point out that the the Revolution sounds very good on a Hackintosh. A hacker has taken it upon himself to write Intel drivers from scratch for the Revolution (and similar cards) that actually sound quite good. See here: http://www.audio-evolution.com/drivers/ These drivers say nothing about Intel only, and normally Leopard 10.5 drivers are universal so perhaps the 10.5 drivers work on PPC Macs also? My understanding is there are ones for Snow Leopard and Leopard. Hope Leopard is for PPCs ... I'm trying to get the Envy24 drivers to install and load on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz under Leopard 10.5.8 for an M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card ... trying to contact the designer about what I might be doing wrong. Doesn't load so far. Sent him/her my machine specs in the form of a System Profiler report. Was excited to hear of some drivers under Leopard, even without the MIDI support ... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Well, it's an old sound card for an old machine. I'm not really counting on any support. Just looking for digital sound (music, not movies) that's a cut above and more control over it (no real complaint about the stock card), future speaker options, and also headphone volume that could damage my hearing if I wanted it to. Not that I even like to use headphones anymore, but it's a good option to have, and the lack of real bass response in any headphones is made worse by ridiculously low line-level volume. I thought there would be a simple and cheap fix for this - I can't be the only person in the world who likes their music *loud* - but everything I found was complicated and expensive. Despite all the problems I've had with this card, when it does work, it sounds great. I'm no musician, sound engineer, or even an audiophile, but the Revolution is a very good sounding card, even though it's relatively long in the tooth. I've since found better sounding cards, but at the time I got it it was a revelation. Too bad the driver support has decayed so badly over the years. Note that I can only speak to the analog output - I've never had digital speakers, and can't see myself getting any in the near future. I also like my music loud - it really helps me hear the detail in the music, even for slow music that would normally be played softly. For the most part, I hate living in a house (yard work, ugh), but the one thing that really makes homeowning pay off for meis being able to crank my music as loud as I like. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Too bad the driver support has decayed so badly over the years. With a 1999 machine running a (largely) 2005 OS, I'm hoping for immunity from the decay. I'll try to glean from the archive how applicable the driver issues are to me. I also like my music loud - it really helps me hear the detail in the music, even for slow music that would normally be played softly. For the most part, I hate living in a house (yard work, ugh), but the one thing that really makes homeowning pay off for meis being able to crank my music as loud as I like. I hear you, Eric. 9 years in a rented house in a rural area was heaven. (Even in spite of a couple acres worth of yard work.) The current rented room in a house situation isn't oppressively restrictive, but I may yet be forced to live in an apartment again (= headphones), so I'm hoping good headphone volume and control is part of the M-audio package, or if not, part of some other sound card package. Oh, and for those of you who might have thought hook it up to your stereo, why don't you? - the Mac + Altec-Lansing speaker system *is* the stereo (not to mention the radio and [theoretically] the television [that I don't watch and rarely even consider]). Best stereo I've ever had. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
so if you need a comprehensive archive it's best to use the archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/. Thank you. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Too bad the driver support has decayed so badly over the years. With a 1999 machine running a (largely) 2005 OS, I'm hoping for immunity from the decay. I'll try to glean from the archive how applicable the driver issues are to me. I have the M-Audio 2496 in my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz, and its drivers wreak somewhat havoc under 10.5.8. It was finally suggested by Sweetwater,com musicians staff, to only use it under Tiger 10.4.11. So, when I run my Leopard system, I don't have its driver's loaded. When I need to do music work, I will go back to Tiger and use it there. I don't believe there is any hope for new drivers from M-Audio, now called Avid. Here's the lengthy Forum Thread that I spent way too much time discovering these simple truths: Apple: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1910640tstart=57 M-Audio: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 If anyone knows of Generic Audio Drivers that might work with any of these PCI audio cards, let me know. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Here's the lengthy Forum Thread that I spent way too much time discovering these simple truths: Apple: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa? threadID=1910640tstart=57 M-Audio: http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?t=3856 Thanks, Bill. Though I'm not looking to M-Audio for anything I'd record my own music with (I wouldn't dare, after what I've read), your experience echoes the overall tenor of what I've read elsewhere. Frustration. So the hardware is good and the drivers suck and support does not exist. The driver situation doesn't bode well. Anything could happen. Support, well... since when could I expect support for a Sawtooth or anything I could possibly put into it (aside from this here list itself, of course)? Unfortunately, for my machine, one of the M-Audio Revolutions seems to be the only game in town. I've seen them on eBay for cheap, but I have no experience with eBay and no trust. At the right price, the M-Audio could be worth taking a chance on. I guess I'll keep an eye on LEM Swap for a while. Over and out. Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Hi, I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop. Working fine is something else ... Mine works if I switch to and fro in the control panel and sometimes I have to restart my MDD. Tiger is worse than Panther, the latest drivers for Tiger are not good at all, IMHO you can better use the Panther drivers in Tiger too. Mainly I only use the digital out now and sometimes one analog setting to feed a sort of surround signal to my Stax earspeakers when watching a film late at night. You should read all older posts about this. The card seems OK but the Mac support really sucks. Good luck, Jörg. On 12 mrt, 06:00, Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com wrote: Sean Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
Hi, I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop. Working fine is something else ... Mine works if I switch to and fro in the control panel and sometimes I have to restart my MDD. Tiger is worse than Panther, the latest drivers for Tiger are not good at all, IMHO you can better use the Panther drivers in Tiger too. Mainly I only use the digital out now and sometimes one analog setting to feed a sort of surround signal to my Stax earspeakers when watching a film late at night. You should read all older posts about this. The card seems OK but the Mac support really sucks. Good luck, Jörg. On 12 mrt, 06:00, Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com wrote: Sean Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 12, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: You should read all older posts about this. Thanks, I will. Didn't search because I really didn't figure there would be any. One problem with archive searches is that this list migrated from LEM and MacLaunch.com over to Google Groups, and in the migration, the old list which was called g-l...@maclaunch.com became g3-5-list@googlegroups.com . I don't believe Google groups archive searches are complete, so if you need a comprehensive archive it's best to use the archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/ . You can find many postings about M-Audio cards. This subject of M- Audio drivers has been discussed many times. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On Mar 6, 11:05 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however had issues such as forgetting settings. I picked up the 5.1 used (for $15!!) off craigslist in January, for my GigE dual 450. The new drivers have been working fine, though when I use fast user switching, I get a crazy noise sometimes from the speakers. system logs show a ton of notes about something to do with unexpected volume change (one error for each of the 6 channels). But as soon as I change the volume, it figures itself out, and the loud buzzing goes away, so I haven't worried about it up till now. I am using the analogue ports, not the digital, and my speakers are all small computer speakers, including a cute little sub-woofer that fits under my desk nicely. The only setting I have had to change more than once was the audio input. I want it to be through my web cam, and it keeps trying to pick up from the M-Audio's input port. But that is a setting in Skype, not System Prefs, or the M-Audio panel. Since I watch/listen to all my media on this Mac (there's no TV in my house), it's been really fun to have. Peter -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
I appreciate the feedback here so far on the M-Audio Revolution sound cards. I get the overall impression that either one should work fine with Tiger in a single-processor G4 desktop. Sean Power Mac G4 AGP Sawtooth 1.0 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 1 each SATA (750 GB) PATA (160 GB) hard drives, gigabit ethernet USB 2.0, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On 3/6/11 7:23 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Does anyone here have any experience to share about this PCI sound card? I think I'd like to get one, but some feedback from the older Mac crowd could be helpful in making that decision. Sound cards seem to be a subject of less than widespread interest here, so I'll gladly take replies off-list. I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however had issues such as forgetting settings. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however had issues such as forgetting settings. Thanks, Tina. Do you still use the card? I see where M-Audio has some updated 5.1 drivers with a release date of 1-27-2009, don't know if that would/would have address(ed) those settings issues you mention. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and Power Mac G4
On 3/6/11 9:19 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: I own the 5.1 and I was pretty happy with the card. The drivers however had issues such as forgetting settings. Thanks, Tina. Do you still use the card? I see where M-Audio has some updated 5.1 drivers with a release date of 1-27-2009, don't know if that would/would have address(ed) those settings issues you mention. My Power Mac died a premature death and it's replacement, a Mac Pro, is PCI-E so the card won't fit. I had gone back forth between the 'beta' and 'release' drivers, aka Tiger Leopard drivers, and each had their unique issues. This was on a G5 DP fwiw. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.6 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
