Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[PM7500]

OS X is notoriously picky about RAM. RAM that tests fine in 9 or
earlier can still cause problems in X. Even if you buy brand new RAM,
though, there's no guarantee you won't still have a problem due to the
fussiness of X. The tiniest of flaws that passes the memory
manufacturers tests might still cause OS X to crash. RAM is a bit of a
crap shoot with OS X. Most of the time you win, but a fair bit of the
time you lose and there's nothing you can really do about it.



On Apr 18, 5:22 pm, tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
 Thanks!Lisa

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RE: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Stewie de Young]

Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps unexpectedly 
quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other times, 5 min or 
10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do the same thing.
It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 
and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
restart, Safari
 goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only 
one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM 
to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and 
stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go along!
When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed 
to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally random.
Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy more 
RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some
 other cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop a 
lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
Thanks!Lisa
Kernel panics are usually memory related so you are on the right track.


  


You can download and install 'Rember or Memtest which are utilities that run 
a series of stress tests on your memory.
Rember is the same as the other but easier to use as it is a GUI rather than 
command line terminal application.
Rember v 0.3.4b for OSX 10.3.9 -10.4 is what you are after.

http://www.kelleycomputing.net/rember/

Personally I'd find the correct retail Tiger disks , wipe the hard drive and 
reinstall the OS.
There may be some other problem concerning the existing OS and software 
conflicts on your hard drive that you have inherited.Simply upgrading the 
operating system with that combo update may not have fixed that.

Stewie
  
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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Mark Sokolovsky]

I happen to also have a Graphite g3 iMac 600Mhz, so I can help here. If the
program is quitting unexpectedly, try making sure that you aren't running
 too many programs at once. Also, update safari to version 4.0.3 using the
software update program in system preferences. I have had the same problem
before i got my firmware updated, and before i packed in a gig of RAM. now,
it's flawlessly running tiger. Go to the software update and check to see if
you need a firmware update or upgrade. If so, it will only take a few
minutes to do so. If you can't see an upgrade for the firmware in the iMac,
try booting into Mac OS 9. Mac OS 9 was the only was my iMac was able to
properly install the firmware update.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Ted Treen]

Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I happen to also have a Graphite g3 iMac 600Mhz, so I can help here. 
If the program is quitting unexpectedly, try making sure that you 
aren't running  too many programs at once. Also, update safari to 
version 4.0.3 using the software update program in system preferences. 
I have had the same problem before i got my firmware updated, and 
before i packed in a gig of RAM. now, it's flawlessly running tiger. 
Go to the software update and check to see if you need a firmware 
update or upgrade. If so, it will only take a few minutes to do so. If 
you can't see an upgrade for the firmware in the iMac, try booting 
into Mac OS 9. Mac OS 9 was the only was my iMac was able to properly 
install the firmware update.


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All of the foregoing, BUT:-

256MB is nowhere near enough to run 10.4 in a happy stable manner.

512MB is marginal, too.

Safari has long been a memory leaker (IIRC that applied to Safari 3 as 
well as 4).


Your iMac will support 1GB RAM. You can use pc133 as well as pc100, but 
it will only work at 100 speeds, although it's easier (and cheaper) to find.


I would recommend you max out the RAM.

Ted

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Jim Scott]

On Apr 18, 2010, at 2:22 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
 
 Thanks!
 Lisa

Lisa,

From your description, it sounds very much as if you're on the right track 
with RAM problems. OS X 10.4 is picky about RAM, and G3 iMacs running Tiger 
are even pickier. The two RAM slots in G3 slot-loading iMacs *must* have two 
sticks with identical specs to avoid kernel panics and related problems, such 
as programs freezing. The sticks can have different amounts of RAM, i.e. 128, 
256, 512 MB, but they both must be PC100-322-620 or PC 133-222-620, etc., with 
the same latencies. 

I first try to get two sticks from the same manufacturer (the labels themselves 
may or may not tell me enough information), then try to match the specs. I aim 
for at least 384 MB with Tiger, and know it will be happy with 512 MB or more 
of matching RAM. The only utility I know will tell me if the RAM is compatible 
with the iMac and with each other is the Apple Hardware Test for iMac, version 
1.2 (for a G3/600). So I get a pile of sticks, put a couple in, boot from the 
AHT disk and check the RAM specs. If they are identical (even if from different 
manufacturers), then I run the Quick test. If that passes, then I run the 
Extended. If that passes, then the chances are very good that the iMac will be 
able to run Tiger without throwing kernel panics, etc., as you have reported. 
If the tests fail, I substitute one sticks, check the specs, etc.

You most likely have mismatched RAM sticks. What happens is that at random 
moments the operating system or an application will issue a call that can't be 
parsed because one stick of RAM is running just slightly out of sync with the 
other one. It's maddening, but the solution is to install a pair of matched 
sticks, even if they're from different manufacturers.

HTH,

Jim

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Mark Sokolovsky]

that's exactly what i did. i packed in a gig of RAM. You should see what
kind of a happy camper mt PM G4 is with tiger and leopard under 2GB of RAM.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Mark Sokolovsky]

It is more efficient and better off to have two of the same RAM sticks to
avoid problems such as kernel panics like the other guy said. I avoided many
performance issues with 2 512MB sticks on my iMac. If you need to upgrade
the RAM in your system to 1GB, I suggest you use this site below. It is a
site that actually still manufactures parts for older PowerPC macs, even
macs that go all the way back to the Quadra series! This website is very
trustworthy. I bought from it many times, and they have warranties for every
product. Trust me, you might find some whacky stuff in here such as a
modbook. A modbook is a fully touchscreen laptop they make out of macbooks,
ibooks, and powerbooks. it costs around $800 to make one using the one you
have, or you can order a new one for $1100.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD512328/

Also, make sure you get a firmware upgrade. That will help too like i
explained earlier.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Richard Gerome]

 Max the ram for sure like a lot of people said on here!!! Also you might want to try running Camino or FireFox ... Go to their websites and download the versions for Tiger, also update Java and any latest security updates... Tiger is getting too old for a lot of web browsers now, I also heard some people say to delete Dash Board too??? I never tried that though??? Running Tiger on a G3 is a little slow to begin with... I down loaded SeaMonkey and it runs very well except the English version is in German, I don't know why and I couldn't find a version in English yet...-Original Message-
From: tentengrrl 
Sent: Apr 18, 2010 5:22 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

Hi,I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do the same thing.It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no.Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I restart, Safari
 goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go along!When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure. I just can't get a definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to "just totally random".Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some
 other cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?Thanks!Lisa

  



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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[John Carmonne]

On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
Max the ram for sure like a lot of people said on here!!! Also you might 
 want to try running Camino or FireFox ... Go to their websites and download 
 the versions for Tiger, also update Java and any latest security updates... 
 Tiger is getting too old for a lot of web browsers now, I also heard some 
 people say to delete Dash Board too??? I never tried that though??? Running 
 Tiger on a G3 is a little slow to begin with... I down loaded SeaMonkey and 
 it runs very well except the English version is in German, I don't know why 
 and I couldn't find a version in English yet...
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: tentengrrl 
 Sent: Apr 18, 2010 5:22 PM 
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3 
 
 Hi,
 
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
 
 Thanks!
 Lisa

Camino is the best Safari has too many crashes for me. I use Camino on my Wally 
300 with Tiger and 512 RAM never a blip.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[tentengrrl]

I'll get the firmware upgrade, too, thanks. Just got a PRAM battery from them, 
good site. Not too sound cheap-o but is something like 800Memory or some such 
site I saw not that great for RAM? It does seem like things can be a gamble and 
common sense must be used but I'm reluctant to put too much money in the iMac 
as it only has a CD-ROM drive :(  If it could burn cds already it'd be so much 
better!

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From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 3:22 PM

It is more efficient and better off to have two of the same RAM sticks to avoid 
problems such as kernel panics like the other guy said. I avoided many 
performance issues with 2 512MB sticks on my iMac. If you need to upgrade the 
RAM in your system to 1GB, I suggest you use this site below. It is a site that 
actually still manufactures parts for older PowerPC macs, even macs that go all 
the way back to the Quadra series! This website is very trustworthy. I bought 
from it many times, and they have warranties for every product. Trust me, you 
might find some whacky stuff in here such as a modbook. A modbook is a fully 
touchscreen laptop they make out of macbooks, ibooks, and powerbooks. it costs 
around $800 to make one using the one you have, or you can order a new one for 
$1100.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD512328/
Also, make sure you get a firmware upgrade. That will help too like i explained 
earlier.



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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Jim Scott]

On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:17 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

 Jim, re: the same latencies of RAM sticks, is it enough to grab info from the 
 System Profiler? see: PC-100-2225 for each of them. Does this mean they DO 
 match-- and thus, does it now sound like perhaps one stick might be bad? I've 
 just been keeping in one stick and it's been ok since I'm working on Preview 
 w/iTunes mostly but I've been able to surf a bit as well. I'm amazed I could 
 do that w/so little RAM though now it seems unable to keep Safari open no 
 matter what stick is in. 

System Profiler doesn't tell you what the latency specs are; Apple Hardware 
Test does. If you see PC100-2225 for each of them in System Profiler, that 
doesn't necessarily mean their latency figures are the same. One might be CL2: 
7.5 and CL3: 10, the other might be CL2: 10 and CL3: 12, or something like 
that. The difference in latency is where the kernel problems, crashes and 
freezes come in.

OTOH, you may have discovered the bad stick, which I suspect is not really 
bad but is incompatible with your system and/or the other stick, which is more 
compatible with your system. 

Tiger will boot and run, slowwwly, with 128 MB RAM. Not that you'd want 
to do that, of course.

Jim

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[dorayme]

tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com Apr 18 02:22PM -0700 ^




Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took  
out one 256 stick to test my problem.


How can you test things if you take out all the RAM? Surely 250MB not  
250k?



I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and  
these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.

The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open,





It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to  
Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help  
but no.



I would say 250MB is way too small to run 10.4.11 even with good RAM.  
About Safari, if this is your only problem, consider using the iCab,  
it is traditionally a small footprint browser made especially for Macs.



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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Lisa]

Hmm, makes a lot of sense, too. I appreciate all the info and time, thanks!! It 
may take a while but I will update when I solve this.

On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote:


On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:17 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

Jim, re: the same latencies of RAM sticks, is it enough to grab info from the 
System Profiler? see: PC-100-2225 for each of them. Does this mean they DO 
match-- and thus, does it now sound like perhaps one stick might be bad? I've 
just been keeping in one stick and it's been ok since I'm working on Preview 
w/iTunes mostly but I've been able to surf a bit as well. I'm amazed I could do 
that w/so little RAM though now it seems unable to keep Safari open no matter 
what stick is in. 

System Profiler doesn't tell you what the latency specs are; Apple Hardware 
Test does. If you see PC100-2225 for each of them in System Profiler, that 
doesn't necessarily mean their latency figures are the same. One might be CL2: 
7.5 and CL3: 10, the other might be CL2: 10 and CL3: 12, or something like 
that. The difference in latency is where the kernel problems, crashes and 
freezes come in.

OTOH, you may have discovered the bad stick, which I suspect is not really 
bad but is incompatible with your system and/or the other stick, which is more 
compatible with your system. 

Tiger will boot and run, slowwwly, with 128 MB RAM. Not that you'd want 
to do that, of course.

Jim

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Lisa]

And sorry, yes , it is 256MB of RAM. There were 2, so it came running 512MB and 
still had frequent app crashes. I'll look into the iCab, too. Thanks!  

On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:50 PM, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com Apr 18 02:22PM -0700 ^



Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
stick to test my problem.

How can you test things if you take out all the RAM? Surely 250MB not 250k?


I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and these are 
generally fine but will crash once in a while.
The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open,



It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 
and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no.


I would say 250MB is way too small to run 10.4.11 even with good RAM. About 
Safari, if this is your only problem, consider using the iCab, it is 
traditionally a small footprint browser made especially for Macs.


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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Dan]

At 2:22 PM -0700 4/18/2010, tentengrrl wrote:

g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM


256 MB is a bit low, but should work if you're reasonable with it.

The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour 
and other times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other 
programs MIGHT do the same thing.


It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to 
Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but 
no.


Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks 
and slots by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will 
unexpectedly quit, I restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, 
and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only one stick I think the 
spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM to load a 
page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and 
stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go 
along!


Ok.  You seem to be jumping to a conclusion that this is a memory 
related issue?  How so?  Memory errors RARELY cause app crashes. 
Typically a memory error will result in a kernel panic - the whole OS 
crashes.


When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and 
Kern-invalid address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.


Yea, that's the fundamental class of errors that causes apps to crash 
(the OS' scream that it's in pain).  It says nothing about what 
actually caused the crash - could be that pesky anvil that hit your 
toe, or the desk that hit your forehead.You need to look further 
on in the log, at the backtrace of the crashed thread to see what 
actually caused the problem.


It would also be a good idea to take a look at the system and console 
logs, to see if there are any hareware failures being noted.  Use 
Console.app to view the logs.


If you can't make sense of them, zip a few up and email the archives 
directly to me.  I'll take a look.


I just can't get a definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but 
sometimes it does ramp up, crashing quicker and quicker but I can't 
determine if it's one stick/slot all the way. I have looked online 
and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed to bad RAM to a 
preferences file all the way to just totally random.


Install Memtest, then boot your Mac into single user mode (cmd-S), 
and run Memtest overnight.


Memtest is an optional install, included in the AppleJack package. 
AppleJack is an emergency repair tool for OS X - a sledgehammer, if 
you will, for when polite tools like Disk Utility and OnyX don't 
quite fix things.


AppleJack lives here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/applejack/

but digging around in a software force can be daunting, so here's the 
installer direct:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/AppleJack-1.5.dmg


The command to start Memtest is as follows.  Note that in Single User 
Mode, you're dealing with the raw Unix underbelly of OS X -- so 
commands are case sensitive!


/usr/local/sbin/memtest all 3 -L


HTH,
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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

[Dan]

At 4:22 PM -0700 4/18/2010, tentengrrl wrote:
Not too sound cheap-o but is something like 800Memory or some such 
site I saw not that great for RAM?


They're a decent vendor.  Given the age of your machine, you might do 
better by just buying off LEM's Swap mailing list.


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