Video Card Question
Hello, I have two video cards: GeForce FX5200 AGP 8X 64MB Video Memory. Radeon 9200LE PCI 128MB Video Memory. Which one would be considered to be the better of the two? What is considered more important: AGP, or more memory? Bruce -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Question
I'd say that the GeForce would be better at games when you play at a lower res. but the Radeon can drive bigger monitors. On Feb 10, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Bruce wrote: Hello, I have two video cards: GeForce FX5200 AGP 8X 64MB Video Memory. Radeon 9200LE PCI 128MB Video Memory. Which one would be considered to be the better of the two? What is considered more important: AGP, or more memory? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video Card Question
On Feb 10, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Bruce wrote: GeForce FX5200 AGP 8X 64MB Video Memory. Radeon 9200LE PCI 128MB Video Memory. Which one would be considered to be the better of the two? The AGP card has about 16x the bandwidth of the PCI card, so the AGP is the better card by far. Always use an AGP card in preference to a PCI card. Always use a PCIe card in preference to an AGP. What is considered more important: AGP, or more memory? I assume you're still talking about the video cards? AGP is more important by far. The AGP card supports Core Image, which the PCI doesn't. Using both might kill the acceleration of the AGP card. If you need two displays it's better to use a dual headed AGP card with lots of memory rather than adding a PCI card no matter how good the PCI card is. There are a few PCI cards that do support both Quartz Extreme Core Image, but they're not common, and will be very slow in comparison to an AGP. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Basic Video card question....
Kris Tilford wrote: On Apr 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Obviously you're new to Macs. The x2 x4 AGP PowerMacs originally came with cards with ADC ports that carry 28v power for to Apple ADC monitors. http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 Ok so where are mac cards? I don't have the time or pc to ruin a costly video card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
I used macs for more than a year now, but i wouldn't consider myself new to them. It's just that I never messed around with the video cards. Btw, if you want to ask me about the pc to mac transition, it was great. macs are better like always. If an Nvidia GeForce 2 MX/MX440 PC video card would supposedly work in my PM G4 Graphite, show me which pins are pins 3 11. I am prepared to flash that video card and run it in my PM because i'm pretty fed up with the ATI RAGE 128PRO's performance. Also, the PRO in the name of it shouldn't be there. It would be more of a pro if it had more like 128MB of VRAM. I perfectly know that Video cards from back then didn't have such amounts if VRAM, but i came across an Nvidia GeForce 5700 with 128MB of VRAM and it says the MFG date is 7/11/2001. Since my PM was made then, why can't they include a top-of-the-line video card option with it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
On 02/04/2010 06:17, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: alrighty then, i guess you are good to go... im i right? If so, then i am glad that i helped you out. any time you have a question about macs or pcs, come to me. -- Hi I've got one of these in my G4, ATI Radeon 9200: Chipset Model:ATY,RV280 Type:Display Bus:PCI Slot:SLOT-B VRAM (Total):128 MB Vendor:ATI (0x1002) Device ID:0x5961 Revision ID:0x0001 ROM Revision:113-A27502-127 Displays: DELL E173FP: Resolution:1280 x 1024 @ 75 Hz Depth:32-bit Color Core Image:Not Supported Main Display:Yes Its got an AGP slot on the board, I was wondering what I could put in it to give it a bit more oomph in the graphics department. TIA Steve -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
I would use a video card that has 256MB of VRAM. Most of my computers have that as a minimum, even though i almost never use graphics intensive programs, but just in case i have it there, it will be there. I reccommend an Nvidia GeForce 6800 GT with 256MB of VRAM. It can also have an extra 128MB of shared VRAM, getting up to 384MB of VRAM. I have an ATI RAGE 128PRO in my PM G4, and no matter what video card i buy, it's incompatible!!! GRRR. Anyways, i am looking for a video card to replace my current one. It lags so very badly under Leopard =(. On 4/2/10, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Steve Thompson wrote: Its got an AGP slot on the board, I was wondering what I could put in it to give it a bit more oomph in the graphics department. A PCI graphics card has throughput of 1/2 AGP. The slowest Mac AGP slot is AGP x2, so minimally a the slowest AGP card has 4 times the throughput of your PCI card, and perhaps 8 times if you have a G4 with AGP x4 slot. You aren't getting any Quartz Extreme or Core Image acceleration with your Radeon 9200 PCI, although you can enable Quartz Extreme acceleration with PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate. It works with 10.4.11. Many 8x AGP cards need to be slightly modified by taping pins 3 11 to work in older G4 PowerMacs. If you're upgrading, getting a card that supports Core Image/Core Graphics would be best. Here is a list of compatible cards for all the G4 models, and another page on how to modify pins 3 11 for the cards that need modification: http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility +Chart http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Basic Video card question....
taping pins 3 11? what are you talking about? If this is some new technique, this better work... o_O On 4/2/10, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote: I would use a video card that has 256MB of VRAM. Most of my computers have that as a minimum, even though i almost never use graphics intensive programs, but just in case i have it there, it will be there. I reccommend an Nvidia GeForce 6800 GT with 256MB of VRAM. It can also have an extra 128MB of shared VRAM, getting up to 384MB of VRAM. I have an ATI RAGE 128PRO in my PM G4, and no matter what video card i buy, it's incompatible!!! GRRR. Anyways, i am looking for a video card to replace my current one. It lags so very badly under Leopard =(. On 4/2/10, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Apr 2, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Steve Thompson wrote: Its got an AGP slot on the board, I was wondering what I could put in it to give it a bit more oomph in the graphics department. A PCI graphics card has throughput of 1/2 AGP. The slowest Mac AGP slot is AGP x2, so minimally a the slowest AGP card has 4 times the throughput of your PCI card, and perhaps 8 times if you have a G4 with AGP x4 slot. You aren't getting any Quartz Extreme or Core Image acceleration with your Radeon 9200 PCI, although you can enable Quartz Extreme acceleration with PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate. It works with 10.4.11. Many 8x AGP cards need to be slightly modified by taping pins 3 11 to work in older G4 PowerMacs. If you're upgrading, getting a card that supports Core Image/Core Graphics would be best. Here is a list of compatible cards for all the G4 models, and another page on how to modify pins 3 11 for the cards that need modification: http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility +Chart http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Basic Video card question....
On Apr 2, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: taping pins 3 11? what are you talking about? If this is some new technique, this better work... o_O Obviously you're new to Macs. The x2 x4 AGP PowerMacs originally came with cards with ADC ports that carry 28v power for to Apple ADC monitors. If your trying to use any x8 AGP card in one of these ADC PowerMacs you MUST tape or cut the traces to pins 3 11 or the card won't work in these G4 PowerMacs. Instead of asking what are you talking about?, why not just read the links I provided last time? Here they are AGAIN, they have all the information necessary: http://themacelite.wikispaces.com/AGP+Graphics+Card+Compatibility http://themacelite.wikidot.com/pins-3-and-11 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Basic Video card question....
Sorry if this questions seems to naive/basic, but my experience with AGP cards is limited. I bought a flashed nVidia GeForce FX5200 128Mb to replace the 64Mb of a late 2004 PowerMac G5 dual 2GHz. The FX5200 is shorter than the original ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, so the hook of the GeForce card where the AGP slot latch catches has to be introduced inside the slot. Will the slot be damaged if I put the card hook into it? Or can I simply put the card all the way in the slot whitout problem? Have been googling around but cannot find a definitve answer. Thanks a lot! Gorka from Spain -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
If it is longer, be careful and try not to damage anything inside. Put it in carefully, and you'll be good to go. It will fit in, but i don't know about the hook. The hook may be some obstrustion to the system. I have expirience with an Nvidia GeForce 6200 GT with 256MB VRAM, it is very long, and it does have a hook, but basically i looked where i was plugging it in, and everything was good to go. As long a it can fit into the socket, you're ok. BTW, the Nvidia GeForce FX5200 is kinda slower, so i would reccoemnd buying one from me. I have once Nvidia GeForce 6800 GT AGP 8x 256MB VRAM. yes it is the longer one, but it has no hook, and it requirees plugging in a power plug like the ones on a HDD on a 3.5 internal drive, or a DVD/CD drive. It's pretty fast, and useful. I don't need it at all because It won't fit into my PM G4 Graphite. inteas i have ste same card that's compatible in there only it's a 6200GT not a 6800GT. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
The FX 5200 is shorter that the original card, so the hook used to secure it to the AGP slot latch is lined with the slot and has to get inside if I want the card to fit. It`s the same lenght as the Rage 128 fitted originally to early G4 PowerMacs (I had one to compare), so it would perfectly full the Gigabit Ethernet AGP slot. The AGP slot in the G5 is far longer (64bit vs 32bit slot), so the hook with catches the G4 AGP slot latch would have to get into the longer AGP slot of the G5, in an area which has its own connectors, which MAY be damaged in the process. I was worried this could damage the slot, so in doubt I did nothing and put back the original video card. I was told by the seller the card was used in another G5, so I guess it should fit, but not being 100% sure I wanted to ask first. Gorka -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: Basic Video card question....
alrighty then, i guess you are good to go... im i right? If so, then i am glad that i helped you out. any time you have a question about macs or pcs, come to me. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: A pretty basic video card question
Yes you can, either in extended or mirrored desktop mode. I have two Rage 128's in my PowerMac G3 running two displays in extended mode. :D On Dec 23, 2009, at 6:20 PM, tonycd wrote: Just got an MDD G4 with a Radeon 9000 video card. My son just got a wall projector that has an RCA-jack video input. The Radeon 9000 doesn't have that style of output, but I have a PCI Radeon 7000 that does. Can I run the Radeon 9000 in the AGP slot and my 7000 in a PCI slot at the same time? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A pretty basic video card question
On Dec 23, 2009, at 20:20, tonycd wrote: Just got an MDD G4 with a Radeon 9000 video card. My son just got a wall projector that has an RCA-jack video input. The Radeon 9000 doesn't have that style of output, but I have a PCI Radeon 7000 that does. Can I run the Radeon 9000 in the AGP slot and my 7000 in a PCI slot at the same time? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list You should how no problem with the extra video card, should be plug and play have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A pretty basic video card question
On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:20 PM, tonycd wrote: Can I run the Radeon 9000 in the AGP slot and my 7000 in a PCI slot at the same time? Yes. You can use them both together. There's a chance that the 7000 PCI will kill the Quartz Extreme acceleration of the 9000 also. You can check if QE is working by using Quartz Extreme Check 1.2: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8969/quartz-extreme-check You can enable QE on the PCI 7000 card (and this will should re-enable the 9000 if it stopped) using PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate.com: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979/pci-extreme%21 One last thought, firmware. People seem to never remember to keep their firmware current on their Radeon cards. You can check the firmware revision in System Profiler. The 7000 should be v.226 and the 9000 should be v.135 or v.136 depending upon the VRAM size. The August 2005 ATI ROM firmware Update is here: http://applemacanix.com/drivers.htm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: A pretty basic video card question
Wow, this answer is awesomely comprehensive. Thanks, Kris (and Michael and Kasey)! --Tony On Dec 23, 7:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:20 PM, tonycd wrote: Can I run the Radeon 9000 in the AGP slot and my 7000 in a PCI slot at the same time? Yes. You can use them both together. There's a chance that the 7000 PCI will kill the Quartz Extreme acceleration of the 9000 also. You can check if QE is working by using Quartz Extreme Check 1.2: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8969/quartz-extreme-check You can enable QE on the PCI 7000 card (and this will should re-enable the 9000 if it stopped) using PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate.com: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979/pci-extreme%21 One last thought, firmware. People seem to never remember to keep their firmware current on their Radeon cards. You can check the firmware revision in System Profiler. The 7000 should be v.226 and the 9000 should be v.135 or v.136 depending upon the VRAM size. The August 2005 ATI ROM firmware Update is here: http://applemacanix.com/drivers.htm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: video card question
On 3/5/09 22:28, roger deghetto linuxuse...@yahoo.com wrote: im working out a trade for a ati all in wonder 9800 pro video card guy said its not flshed but he also said he thinks it will work in a mdd g4 im taking it since it is a 9800 pro it will or am i thinking wrong thanks roger I don't think the all in wonder 9800 cards can be flashed/used in a mac as there is probably no mac bios available - but take a look at the 9800 buyers guide at the wiki http://themacelite.wikidot.com/flasher-s-buying-guide-9800 Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
