Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread shaun everiss
well I tried it but you really need to buy it.
I wouldn't mind a standalone client.
there was an old one called bofhnetirc but its real old.
At 08:17 a.m. 3/02/2010, you wrote:
>It depends on what your definition of accessible is. You can use it, but if
>you want JAWS to read what people say to you automaticly, you'll need to
>modify it with another program, called mIRC Speech. I'm not sure off the top
>of my head where you can get it nowadays... I've not had to look for it for
>quite a while. 
>
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>Hi,
>
>So I just download and install, do I need anything additional to make it
>accessible or is it already accessible?
>
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>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech programs to
>eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the keyboard... Exact program
>and version will depend on your screenreader. 
>
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>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client
>myself. At 06:55 a.m. 2/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use 
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
>>become unusable now. If anybody could help then that would be great.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread shaun everiss
avg is ok but even ms has paranoid things on it.
we call them false positives and is why up till now when I can't set msse to 
ignore its current things and the fact most things work that I have kept 
protection.
in avg I made loads of it go away and act like the program didn't care.
At 04:36 a.m. 4/02/2010, you wrote:
>Your problem is AVG. Use a real virus scanner and you won't have that
>problem. mIRC is perfectly fine. It'd better be, for how many people use the
>thing. 
>
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>Hi.
>
>I downloaded mirc from http://www.mirc.com/get.html and my AVG picked it up
>as a form of malwear. I clicked remove and it removed it completely. Is this
>programme dangerous to install at all? I scanned it and AVG didn't pick
>anything up from it at all.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech programs to
>eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the keyboard... Exact program
>and version will depend on your screenreader. 
>
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>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client
>myself. At 06:55 a.m. 2/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use 
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
>>become unusable now. If anybody could help then that would be great.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison

2010-02-04 Thread Jim Kitchen

Hi Milos,

I have programmed in Basic for thirty years.  All of my windows games are 
programmed in VB6.  I do believe that VB6 is the easiest language to learn and 
use.  And that it can do anything that one would want it to do for making an 
audio game.

Here is my VB6 Hello World program

a=MsgBox("Hello World","")

And from my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page.

guessvb.zip.  is a simple sample guess the number game with it's VB6 source 
code.  It uses the sapi5 text to speech engine and DirectX.  I have commented 
the code hopefully so that one can tell what each line of code does.  All of my 
code is in the guess.frm file and starts with the line that reads

' Sample guess the number game  By Jim Kitchen

HTH

BFN

Jim

I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C.

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[Audyssey] youtube things

2010-02-04 Thread shaun everiss
Hi.
I have no idea who makes it but with klango and youtube search 

if you type barnys  mind shepherds mind or freemans mind into youtube you will 
get anims of halflife 1 2 and 3.
if you type marines mind you will get the same of doom3.
YOu will hear what they think, etc.
I have not bothered yet to look who wrote these but I'd like to find him and 
shove him an email one day.
The guy that does this stuff or rather guys really do rock.
its the game being played, with someone speaking the chars mind of whatever 
char is being played.
So either the guy is editing things and  putting them up on the site or he is 
playing the game and hmm.
Well he must have clocked it.
issues not everything is complete and some stuff is bad quality but its good 
none the less.


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Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison

2010-02-04 Thread Milos Przic

  Hello Tom,
  Honestly I was expecting an explanation of this kind. Speaking of all 
that, I want to talk about my experience agreeing in some points of your 
explanation. You were telling me about the situation when a newbie doesn't 
know some programming terms. That was the case with me. I was studying about 
variables in the highschool, but didn't understand what it was. I started 
with the inform, red about variables, but still I couldn't understand it. 
Finally, I red about jaws scripting and bingo! Similar things happened with 
datatypes and some other terms. Now when I finally learned about variables 
and looked in an inform example, I understood what ment the thing like "let 
n be a random thing in the location." so I understood how variables 
(explained in the manuals using numbers and mathematics, and I am stupid 
when it comes to that) are used practically.
  Once I overcame those problems I think I can start with vb.net. As I 
can't find the messages that were posted recently on the list about all 
that, I would like if you Tom, or someone other, can point me out to a free 
version of vb if it exists. I am not in a quite good finansial situation 
now, so I don't want to buy something not knowing if I will succeed in it.

  Thanks for the explanation and for everything!
  Best regards!
 Milos Przic
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Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison

2010-02-04 Thread Milos Przic

  Thanks Jim! I believe I can contact you during my programming studying.
  Best regards!
 Milos Przic
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skype: Milosh-hs
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From: "Jim Kitchen" 

To: "Milos Przic" 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison



Hi Milos,

I have programmed in Basic for thirty years.  All of my windows games are 
programmed in VB6.  I do believe that VB6 is the easiest language to learn 
and use.  And that it can do anything that one would want it to do for 
making an audio game.


Here is my VB6 Hello World program

a=MsgBox("Hello World","")

And from my free windows sapi5 text to speech games page.

guessvb.zip.  is a simple sample guess the number game with it's VB6 
source code.  It uses the sapi5 text to speech engine and DirectX.  I have 
commented the code hopefully so that one can tell what each line of code 
does.  All of my code is in the guess.frm file and starts with the line 
that reads


' Sample guess the number game  By Jim Kitchen

HTH

BFN

Jim

I like Visual Basic 6.0 because I can not C.

j...@kitchensinc.net
http://www.kitchensinc.net
(440) 286-6920
Chardon Ohio USA
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[Audyssey] hmmm I find where I can get all the stuff

2010-02-04 Thread shaun everiss
Hi all
www.accursedfarms.com
is the site you go to get all the extra stuff.
myself I am gunning for all the stuff.
I like youtube but really to have this downloaded and converted to audio will 
rock.
to run it on the tv with my friends will really rock.
If you are the main char in the game halflife, well.
halflife is really visual.
Yeah it is.
but we don't have to play it now.
In fact we don't have to play some of the games that sighted play.
This stuff is now freely avalible.
They are videos, thats true but they really do rock.
the author of all this is ross scott.
the site is accessible and you can download the series and everything, gona get 
everything this dood has.
and thanks to klango because without that I couldn't get on youtube that easily.


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Re: [Audyssey] hmmm I find where I can get all the stuff

2010-02-04 Thread Jacob Kruger
Haven't been following this thread, but if you want to download things off 
of youtube:

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:07 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] hmmm I find where I can get all the stuff



Hi all
www.accursedfarms.com
is the site you go to get all the extra stuff.
myself I am gunning for all the stuff.
I like youtube but really to have this downloaded and converted to audio 
will rock.

to run it on the tv with my friends will really rock.
If you are the main char in the game halflife, well.
halflife is really visual.
Yeah it is.
but we don't have to play it now.
In fact we don't have to play some of the games that sighted play.
This stuff is now freely avalible.
They are videos, thats true but they really do rock.
the author of all this is ross scott.
the site is accessible and you can download the series and everything, 
gona get everything this dood has.
and thanks to klango because without that I couldn't get on youtube that 
easily.



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Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread James Homuth
It asks you to pay for it, but it won't stop working if you don't. I've been
using the same version for 2 years without a problem. 

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well I tried it but you really need to buy it.
I wouldn't mind a standalone client.
there was an old one called bofhnetirc but its real old.
At 08:17 a.m. 3/02/2010, you wrote:
>It depends on what your definition of accessible is. You can use it, 
>but if you want JAWS to read what people say to you automaticly, you'll 
>need to modify it with another program, called mIRC Speech. I'm not 
>sure off the top of my head where you can get it nowadays... I've not 
>had to look for it for quite a while.
>
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>On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>Sent: February 2, 2010 12:11 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>Hi,
>
>So I just download and install, do I need anything additional to make 
>it accessible or is it already accessible?
>
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>On Behalf Of James Homuth
>Sent: 02 February 2010 16:36
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech 
>programs to eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the 
>keyboard... Exact program and version will depend on your screenreader.
>
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of shaun everiss
>Sent: February 1, 2010 8:21 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client 
>myself. At 06:55 a.m. 2/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use 
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
>>become unusable now. If anybody could help then that would be great.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread Darren Harris
Yeah what's the registration with IRC on about even I just click on continue
each time.

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It asks you to pay for it, but it won't stop working if you don't. I've been
using the same version for 2 years without a problem. 

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well I tried it but you really need to buy it.
I wouldn't mind a standalone client.
there was an old one called bofhnetirc but its real old.
At 08:17 a.m. 3/02/2010, you wrote:
>It depends on what your definition of accessible is. You can use it,
>but if you want JAWS to read what people say to you automaticly, you'll 
>need to modify it with another program, called mIRC Speech. I'm not 
>sure off the top of my head where you can get it nowadays... I've not 
>had to look for it for quite a while.
>
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>Hi,
>
>So I just download and install, do I need anything additional to make
>it accessible or is it already accessible?
>
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>Sent: 02 February 2010 16:36
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>
>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech
>programs to eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the 
>keyboard... Exact program and version will depend on your screenreader.
>
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>
>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client
>myself. At 06:55 a.m. 2/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
>>become unusable now. If anybody could help then that would be great.
>>
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[Audyssey] Speech recognition for it's yyour plane

2010-02-04 Thread Milos Przic
   Hi all,
   I downloaded the free version of the it's your plane. But I am wondering, 
where to fidn the sdk speech recognition software required in he itsyourplane 
manuals? I tried on the microsoft's site but I couldn't succeed...
   So please help me! Thanks in advance!
  Milos Przic
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skype: Milosh-hs


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[Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Orin
Hi all,

I know this isn't a list to discuss development on, but I'm taking an online 
class in VB and was wondering if anyone can help me. I really don't understand 
the lesson's instructions because the teacher is being visual and wants me to 
arrange and move windows to certain places and gives a picture on how it should 
look. Then in the toolbox he wants me to drag something and put "beep" in front 
of some lines of code which I'm guessing is in the bloody image, and basically 
the program is supposed to be a button that when you click it it beeps.

Then there's another button that, when pressed, counts from 1-500 very quickly.

If anyone can help I'll send the instructions so you can be baffled as well. 
Trying to understand these instructions and trying to learn VB the program 
itself is proving difficult. I mailed the teacher and he said "Use VB however 
it works for you."

That's the problem, I don't know how it works for me yet.

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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,
As for "dragging", first, I want to know, which version are you using? If it
is VB6, then go to http://www.accessibleprograms.com, and look for the
visual basic siripts for JAWS 7.x or later (assuming you are using JAWS). As
for actually dragging, you can use the control plus any of the arrow keys to
move the control, and shift plus any key to enlarge it or make it smaller.
HTH

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Subject: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

Hi all,

I know this isn't a list to discuss development on, but I'm taking an online
class in VB and was wondering if anyone can help me. I really don't
understand the lesson's instructions because the teacher is being visual and
wants me to arrange and move windows to certain places and gives a picture
on how it should look. Then in the toolbox he wants me to drag something and
put "beep" in front of some lines of code which I'm guessing is in the
bloody image, and basically the program is supposed to be a button that when
you click it it beeps.

Then there's another button that, when pressed, counts from 1-500 very
quickly.

If anyone can help I'll send the instructions so you can be baffled as well.
Trying to understand these instructions and trying to learn VB the program
itself is proving difficult. I mailed the teacher and he said "Use VB
however it works for you."

That's the problem, I don't know how it works for me yet.

Thanks.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison

2010-02-04 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Tom,
Ah...well, at this point, I am just starting out, so am currently more
focused on VB6, but if JAWS Scripting is related to C ++, hopefully I'll get
around to it sooner or later.
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Hi Hayden,
When it comes to the Jaws scripting language it helps to have a basic
understanding of the Windows Win32 API which those scripts are based on.
If you don't hunder stand things like hindow handles etc then you need
to study the Win32 API or pay for one of the Freedom Scientific
scripting classes where this stuff is explained in more detail.
Fortunately, for me I already had C++ incolledge and had read my fair
share of books on the Win32 API long before I started working with Jaws
scripting so there was absolutely no confusion for me. So what you found
to be a nightmare was prety easy for me. This is where having some skill
in a language like C++ is very handy bcause pretty much everything leads
back to it sooner or later. Just depends on how advanced you want to get
with your programming project.

On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 19:38 -0600, Hayden Presley wrote:
> Hi,
> Ah zcode...great format for IF Games. Comparing your others... Personally,
I
> fine VB6 (not that surprising) to te the easiest. You can do plenty with
it,
> though it is nainly a starting point. As for C ++...I don't have that much
> experience with it, other than that it is quite different from Visual
Basic
> is. As for JAWS Scripting...unless Freedom Scientific have rewritten what
> they call "the bssics of scripting" that is a nightmare to understand. I
had
> no understanding whatsoever as to what constants/variables/window handles
> were used for. (This might have to do with the fact I had never looked at
a
> Computer programming manual before that beiseds Inform, itself not to good
> an example of programming unless you have an engine already built, the
JAWS
> scripting was still difficult to understand.
> Best Regards,
> Hayden



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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Hayden Presley
Oops, make that just larger. 
Best regards,
Hayden

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Hi,
As for "dragging", first, I want to know, which version are you using? If it
is VB6, then go to http://www.accessibleprograms.com, and look for the
visual basic siripts for JAWS 7.x or later (assuming you are using JAWS). As
for actually dragging, you can use the control plus any of the arrow keys to
move the control, and shift plus any key to enlarge it or make it smaller.
HTH

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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:55 PM
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Subject: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

Hi all,

I know this isn't a list to discuss development on, but I'm taking an online
class in VB and was wondering if anyone can help me. I really don't
understand the lesson's instructions because the teacher is being visual and
wants me to arrange and move windows to certain places and gives a picture
on how it should look. Then in the toolbox he wants me to drag something and
put "beep" in front of some lines of code which I'm guessing is in the
bloody image, and basically the program is supposed to be a button that when
you click it it beeps.

Then there's another button that, when pressed, counts from 1-500 very
quickly.

If anyone can help I'll send the instructions so you can be baffled as well.
Trying to understand these instructions and trying to learn VB the program
itself is proving difficult. I mailed the teacher and he said "Use VB
however it works for you."

That's the problem, I don't know how it works for me yet.

Thanks.



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Re: [Audyssey] Programming language comparison

2010-02-04 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi Thomas,
One more thing--I did pick up a copy of VB .net from your site, and I find
the interphase not quite as good. With the VB6 scripts, I have been able to
access the toolbox, and I find the user interphase better suited to JAWS, in
my opinion. Finding everything, and knowing where everything will be sent to
etc etc, is a bit mor confusing, in VB .net. Also, I thought the toolbox was
a might strange as well. However, I think I might give it a whirl anyway,
and we'll see what happens...
Best Regards,
Hayden

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Hi Milos,
Well, like so many things in life what is considered to be easy is
completely a personal opinion.So before we can really have a reasonable
discussion which language is the easiest we have to take in account what
you would consider easy.Still I don't know what you personally would
find easy I'll have to use my personal judgment here.
Personally, in all my years of programming the easiest language for me
to learn was C# .Net, called C-Sharp, because it has a C-style syntax
without all of the complexity of C++. However,  since C# .Net wasn't one
of the options you have given me I'll try and compare the languages you
did request information on.
First, we have Python. As you pointed outyou didn't really understand
the language so perhaps it is not a language you would personally
consider easy.As for me I find the language easy enough to learn, but
what I find confusing is keeping track of the formatting and spacing to
define blocks of code. The formatting is a completely visual aid, and
therefore it is more difficult to keep track of the code when using a
screen reader. Other languages such as C++ and Java use braces to define
blocks of code which I personally find more logical and easier to keep
track of. So on account of the specific formatting and lack of syntax
makes Python not as easy as it could be.
As far as C++ goes it is the most difficult language on your list.The
basic functions, headers, and  syntax are easy enough to learn, but C++
also puts a lot of the responcibility of doing all the advanced
low-level programming yourself.This is what trips up new programmers
because they simply aren't equipped  to manage his/her system resources
on their own. For example,if you were to use system pointers in your C++
application to handle something like game sounds you have to remember to
manually delete those pointersand   release the system memory back to
the free stack before loading new sounds or exiting the program. Failior
to do so could result  in some major  memory leaks in your application.
Unfortunately,asigning memory and cleanning up after you are done with
it is something many new programmers fail to do correctly and do poorly.
So C++ is largely considered an advanced programmer's language because
of the skill and experience required to truly master the language.
Ultimately I believe the easiest language on your list   to learn is
Visual Basic. It was my first programming language, the one my college
taught first, and it is safe to say programmers generally find it to be
a good starter language in terms of ease of use.   The one thing that
makes the basic type languages good choices for early programming
training is the fact they tend to usewords to define blocks of code
rather  than relying on special formatting as Python does or relying on
braces and brackets as C-style languages do.  Plus basic languages like
Visual Basic don't get into really advanced programming such as managing
resources and memory which is both a advnatage and disadvantage
depending on your outlook. So if you are talking where to start in terms
of ease to learn I'd say try VB .net.
Before I close I think it might be helpful to show you an example ofsome
different programming languages to give you a better idea of what I am
talking about above. I'll use a very simple program like Hello World as
my example.

// Hello World C++

#include 

int main ()
{
std::cout << "Helo world!" << std::endl;
return 0;
}

' Hello World VB .Net

Module Hello
Sub Main ()
System.Console.WriteLine (0, "Hello world!")
End Sub
End Module

As you can see the VB .Net version of the typical Hello World program is
far simplar than it'sC++ counter part.  As programs get bigger and more
complex the ease of use factor of  VB .Net over C++ will only become
more so. The .Net Framework certainly simplifies many aspects of day to
day programming simply because all of the low-level stuff you have to do
in C++ is incorperated directly into the .Net Framework ready to pick up
and use right away.For example, in my VB .Net sample I called the
WriteLine() function. WriteLine() is actually a .Net wrapper function
for the cout function used  in the C++ code above.  In larger more
complex appl

[Audyssey] The Crop of Devana

2010-02-04 Thread Kai

Greetings Travis et al.

I'm playing Devana (the modified version), and have built a grain mill and 
upgraded my first farm to level 1, but my crop yield is still 5 units per 
hour with morale at 100%. Anyone have any clue if that's a bug or a failing 
on my part? All my other resources are escalating properly, it's just crop 
that's stuck at 5.


Kai


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Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread James Homuth
They'd like you to buy it, and support future development. But they're not
forcing you. 

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Sent: February 4, 2010 1:32 PM
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Yeah what's the registration with IRC on about even I just click on continue
each time.

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It asks you to pay for it, but it won't stop working if you don't. I've been
using the same version for 2 years without a problem. 

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well I tried it but you really need to buy it.
I wouldn't mind a standalone client.
there was an old one called bofhnetirc but its real old.
At 08:17 a.m. 3/02/2010, you wrote:
>It depends on what your definition of accessible is. You can use it, 
>but if you want JAWS to read what people say to you automaticly, you'll 
>need to modify it with another program, called mIRC Speech. I'm not 
>sure off the top of my head where you can get it nowadays... I've not 
>had to look for it for quite a while.
>
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>On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>Sent: February 2, 2010 12:11 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>Hi,
>
>So I just download and install, do I need anything additional to make 
>it accessible or is it already accessible?
>
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>On Behalf Of James Homuth
>Sent: 02 February 2010 16:36
>To: 'Gamers Discussion list'
>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech 
>programs to eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the 
>keyboard... Exact program and version will depend on your screenreader.
>
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of shaun everiss
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>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client 
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>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use 
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
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[Audyssey] Devana Question

2010-02-04 Thread Hayden Presley
Hi,

Could someone tell me what the upkeep is, and how it affects buildings? In
other words, do you need x amount of upkeep, or do the buildings give you x
amount of upkeep. It's a great game, and I look forward to conquering all
before me! 

Best Regards,

Hayden

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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm
you need vb shortcuts  keys.
there is a llink on empowermentzone for all the document projects and there are 
manuals ofr the dotnet stuff in there like www.empowermentzone.com/cnet_doc.zip 
or cnetdoc.zip or vbnetdoc.zip.
actually this was probably in another zip but I never kept the link.
I lost a lot of stuff in a hardware crash of the main backup drive last year 
and I have never checked all my address data because its every which way.

At 10:54 a.m. 5/02/2010, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I know this isn't a list to discuss development on, but I'm taking an online 
>class in VB and was wondering if anyone can help me. I really don't understand 
>the lesson's instructions because the teacher is being visual and wants me to 
>arrange and move windows to certain places and gives a picture on how it 
>should look. Then in the toolbox he wants me to drag something and put "beep" 
>in front of some lines of code which I'm guessing is in the bloody image, and 
>basically the program is supposed to be a button that when you click it it 
>beeps.
>
>Then there's another button that, when pressed, counts from 1-500 very quickly.
>
>If anyone can help I'll send the instructions so you can be baffled as well. 
>Trying to understand these instructions and trying to learn VB the program 
>itself is proving difficult. I mailed the teacher and he said "Use VB however 
>it works for you."
>
>That's the problem, I don't know how it works for me yet.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [Audyssey] I r c

2010-02-04 Thread darren_g_harris

Right. Ok i'm using tirc to help with speech and stuff. is there a way of 
reviewing the chat log so i can see what others said as well as myself without 
using the mouse? So far that's the only way i've seen to review a complete 
conversation.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
From: "James Homuth" 
Date: 05:02:2010 3.17 am

They'd like you to buy it, and support future development. But they're not
forcing you. 

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Behalf Of Darren Harris
Sent: February 4, 2010 1:32 PM
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Yeah what's the registration with IRC on about even I just click on continue
each time.

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Sent: 04 February 2010 18:17
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c


It asks you to pay for it, but it won't stop working if you don't. I've been
using the same version for 2 years without a problem. 

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Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: February 4, 2010 3:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c

well I tried it but you really need to buy it.
I wouldn't mind a standalone client.
there was an old one called bofhnetirc but its real old.
At 08:17 a.m. 3/02/2010, you wrote:
>It depends on what your definition of accessible is. You can use it, 
>but if you want JAWS to read what people say to you automaticly, you'll 
>need to modify it with another program, called mIRC Speech. I'm not 
>sure off the top of my head where you can get it nowadays... I've not 
>had to look for it for quite a while.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
>On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>Sent: February 2, 2010 12:11 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>Hi,
>
>So I just download and install, do I need anything additional to make 
>it accessible or is it already accessible?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org]
>On Behalf Of James Homuth
>Sent: 02 February 2010 16:36
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>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] I r c
>
>
>mIRC (http://www.mirc.com), plus any number of standalone speech 
>programs to eliminate having to keep your hand glooed to the 
>keyboard... Exact program and version will depend on your screenreader.
>
>-Original Message-
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>On Behalf Of shaun everiss
>Sent: February 1, 2010 8:21 PM
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>
>I'd like to know I know there is miranda but I want a standalone client 
>myself. At 06:55 a.m. 2/02/2010, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Does anybody know of a good irc client that I could use? I want to use 
>>the chat on core exiles but the internet explorer way has sort of 
>>become unusable now. If anybody could help then that would be great.
>>
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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi,
Actually, an easier and more accessible way to do this, works for all
versions, is tab to the control you want to move press f4, and simply
edit the properties such as its x/y coordinates. Bingo when you close
the property window the control will move to the part of your form where
you told it to go. Of course, this is a slightly more advanced way of
going about it and you need a fairly good idea of how the window should
look and where the controls should go. However, doing it this way is
pretty easy once you know where abouts that control should go.


On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 20:08 -0600, Hayden Presley wrote:
> Hi,
> As for "dragging", first, I want to know, which version are you using? If it
> is VB6, then go to http://www.accessibleprograms.com, and look for the
> visual basic siripts for JAWS 7.x or later (assuming you are using JAWS). As
> for actually dragging, you can use the control plus any of the arrow keys to
> move the control, and shift plus any key to enlarge it or make it smaller.
> HTH



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[Audyssey] Fs note taker games

2010-02-04 Thread dark
Hi. 

This has come up recently on the audiogames.net forum. 

People are mentioning various games for the fs note takers. I was wondering if 
louis briant (or someone else), knows a way of running these under windows. 

In particular I was thinking of munawar's games which you can download on the 
bpc programs site at http://www.bpcprograms.com/programs/programs.php 

though people on the forum have also mentioned games by dan Z and phil vlasac.

Thanks in advance, 

Beware the grue! 

Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Orin,
As this is pretty much off topic for this list can I kinly suggest that
we move this discussion over to the USA Games developers list. There you
will not only find more people that might be able to help you this topic
is fully on topic there.
HOwever, I've said this much already I have a bit of advice for you.
Since you can't see what the form is suppose to look like I'd formally
request that your instructer give you the coordinates for the buttons,
labels, etc so that you can simply bring up the form's property window
and punch that info in and have it essentually create an exact copy of
his form as far as positions goes. For the rest of it I think I can help
you with this, and for the most part it sounds like your biggest problem
is knowing how to use the IDE let alone program in it. If you sign up
for the USA Games developers list we can tackle this problem from a
blindness perspective.

Cheers!

On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 16:54 -0500, Orin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I know this isn't a list to discuss development on, but I'm taking an online 
> class in VB and was wondering if anyone can help me. I really don't 
> understand the lesson's instructions because the teacher is being visual and 
> wants me to arrange and move windows to certain places and gives a picture on 
> how it should look. Then in the toolbox he wants me to drag something and put 
> "beep" in front of some lines of code which I'm guessing is in the bloody 
> image, and basically the program is supposed to be a button that when you 
> click it it beeps.
> 
> Then there's another button that, when pressed, counts from 1-500 very 
> quickly.
> 
> If anyone can help I'll send the instructions so you can be baffled as well. 
> Trying to understand these instructions and trying to learn VB the program 
> itself is proving difficult. I mailed the teacher and he said "Use VB however 
> it works for you."
> 
> That's the problem, I don't know how it works for me yet.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed

2010-02-04 Thread Jacob Kruger
Totally irrelevant, but just wondering if possible to easily enough get hold 
of a copy of the VB6 IDE since would be interesting for me to look at 
something that haven't made use of for around the last 10 years, when still 
was sighted as such.


Stay well

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Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'

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To: "Gamers Discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] VB Help Needed



Hi,
Actually, an easier and more accessible way to do this, works for all
versions, is tab to the control you want to move press f4, and simply
edit the properties such as its x/y coordinates. Bingo when you close
the property window the control will move to the part of your form where
you told it to go. Of course, this is a slightly more advanced way of
going about it and you need a fairly good idea of how the window should
look and where the controls should go. However, doing it this way is
pretty easy once you know where abouts that control should go.


On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 20:08 -0600, Hayden Presley wrote:

Hi,
As for "dragging", first, I want to know, which version are you using? If 
it

is VB6, then go to http://www.accessibleprograms.com, and look for the
visual basic siripts for JAWS 7.x or later (assuming you are using JAWS). 
As
for actually dragging, you can use the control plus any of the arrow keys 
to
move the control, and shift plus any key to enlarge it or make it 
smaller.

HTH




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