Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Seriously? I mean really?! ;) While I personally may not agree with the way this is going down so far, it's statements like these which really amaze me! Regardless of what you, I or anyone else think of how someone chooses to run their company (or what's left of it) it's their business. They owe you nothing, they owe me nothing, they owe this community nothing! Sure, it would be really nice if Justin chose to allow a site like Audyssey to host the BSC games legally after the business dissolves, but to act as if he owes any of us an apology is quite a lot to ask, don't you think? This is why I keep harping on what we expect of developers? I mean come on! SeriouslY? Again, I ask, why would anyone want to involve themselves in a community of people who in essence treat them like indentured servants?… Would you want to be treated this way? Wouldn't you want a group of people to show you understanding even if they didn't agree with you? I think you would… We want sighted people to cut us some slack and be understanding if they don't understand our needs, so why in the world aren't we showing this kind of behavior to our own?… This just can't be that difficult to see and understand… We're all intelligent, aware people here. Why not show that aspect of ourselves. YOu'd be surprised how it can turn situations and people around… :) -Just my thoughts… Thanks for your note and have a totally awesome night / day (whenever ya get this) Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:48 PM, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Hi Dark, thanks for your note! Well, with the way this technology is going, just wait a few minutes and I'll bet it will be in your price range! ;) Have a wonderful day and talk with you soon!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd consider cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Yes I think thats taking things just a tad too far. At 03:51 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
and dumping on your customers like james north did is a very very good way to lose friends. He hated it when I kept finding show stoppers, that's geek speak for bugs that crash the software. At 02:34 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I aggree with you there tom, I suspect that he was on verge of burnout and quit before he flamed himself tooblivian oblivian. bavisoft had nill communication with anyone and were sloppy. Esp and james north. well he was fine with espsoftworks never should have sold it because he was really making it good. it was after he switched to alchemy that things went south for him. Ofcause he probably burned out but no one really thought about burning your match or your candle like we do now and well simply put he smoked. The way he went was not good but he probably was burning long before that. Ofcause until the industry gets some real gamers from the sighted world interested and maybe more companies, devs, funds, etc progress will be slow. We have progressed to one phase rapid groth, but it wouldn't supprise me if we stayed where we are for a time till we spurted up again. At 04:16 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at home and work his support and development began to drop off and understandably so. However, unlike Bavisoft he explained exactly why he hasn't been as involved in developing games and why he hasn't been getting back to people as he should which I think goes to show he is not a dishonest person. I may not agree with the way he is handling this business with closing, but I don't think he is greedy, dishonest, or a crooked person. In fact, allowing people to buy his key generator before he closes at least gives people some chance to get his games and software before the site is gone for good. With Bavisoft let's face it. They never respond to email, there site has gone down a few times without explanation, people have had problems receiving their orders, and when you ask why Bavisoft doesn't respond. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible as a company and has made no effort to redeem themselves what so ever. I understand if they have had issues with work and family, but some explanation should have been in order so we would at least understand why Bavisoft has fallen off the face of the Earth. Instead we get nothing. Point being is if Justin were ever to come back, which I don't think he will, but if he did I think there would be several people who would trust him because of the years of service and support he gave up until now.. Surely that counts for something in the eyes of this community. Comparing Justin to Bavisoft isn't really fair in his case. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's, screwing their users over, by forcing them to buy a new version, simply for use on another machine. that's just sad, really. I to, understand why its being done, but its limiting the audio games industry, even more then it is by being the audio gaming industry! LOL I mean, think about it. as limiting, and hard nosed as the apple world is, do you see them saying, nope, if you have two iPhone's and an iPad, you'll have to buy the app for each one? ... no. they let you buy it once, and then you can use it for ever more, on any device you get. well, within the 10 device limit, or what ever it is. and I mean, come on. who's going to have 5 iPhone's and 5 iPad's. ahaha. except somebody who's rich, in which case they can afford to have a separate account for each, and buy it for each anyway's. ehehe so yeah. I'm very hesitant to buy games that are limited to my current laptop. as I simply won't have this for ever. and I hope not, to. its only a netbook. LOL. so when I upgrade to a full notebook again, I'd have to buy new keys for that machine! no thanks. Regards: Dallas On 23/04/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship.
Hi Dark, Sorry, I thought that when the game says Press the number for a difficulty factor from 0 hardest to 9 easiest that it would be understood that 9 easiest meant easiest for you to win. HTH BFN Jim As easy as 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716 ( PI ) j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship.
Hi Lisa, Another strategy is an x pattern. That is go from upper left (a1) to lower right (i9) and then from upper right (a9) to lower left (i1) Then maybe straight down the center, and then straight across the center. Remember that the smallest ship is 2 spaces, so you don't need to cover every space. Like above you did a1 and a5, so now do a3. I think that I more often than not beat the computer on difficulty level 9, but definitely not as often on level 0. HTH BFN Jim Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
well it depends on the dev. mr-y and gma will just give you codes. At 09:09 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's, screwing their users over, by forcing them to buy a new version, simply for use on another machine. that's just sad, really. I to, understand why its being done, but its limiting the audio games industry, even more then it is by being the audio gaming industry! LOL I mean, think about it. as limiting, and hard nosed as the apple world is, do you see them saying, nope, if you have two iPhone's and an iPad, you'll have to buy the app for each one? ... no. they let you buy it once, and then you can use it for ever more, on any device you get. well, within the 10 device limit, or what ever it is. and I mean, come on. who's going to have 5 iPhone's and 5 iPad's. ahaha. except somebody who's rich, in which case they can afford to have a separate account for each, and buy it for each anyway's. ehehe so yeah. I'm very hesitant to buy games that are limited to my current laptop. as I simply won't have this for ever. and I hope not, to. its only a netbook. LOL. so when I upgrade to a full notebook again, I'd have to buy new keys for that machine! no thanks. Regards: Dallas On 23/04/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship.
Thanks JIm will give this a go. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Lisa Hayes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship. Hi Lisa, Another strategy is an x pattern. That is go from upper left (a1) to lower right (i9) and then from upper right (a9) to lower left (i1) Then maybe straight down the center, and then straight across the center. Remember that the smallest ship is 2 spaces, so you don't need to cover every space. Like above you did a1 and a5, so now do a3. I think that I more often than not beat the computer on difficulty level 9, but definitely not as often on level 0. HTH BFN Jim Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi tom. I agree in principle, the hardware keygen system hurts the legitimate customers, and ultimately doesn't stop the pirates, just makes piracy harder. That being said, i do usually have confidence that if a games company closes it's doors and packs up, they will offer something to posterity. This is why even though I bought tarzan junior back in 2006, I still have the game despite it being abandonware, since Philip insured that the game was playable even when he was no longer able to generate keys. Same goes for DanZ, self destruct and terraformers, and the last is really surprising given the many people involved in the project (check the credits). This is one reason i am so displeased at justin's decision. the fact that he is abandoning his games is sad enough, but that he is offering nothing to gamers further down the line who miss his closing down sale, heck, i wouldn't have minded if he sold the distribution of the keygen to audeasy or audiogames.net as you suggested yourself. it is not about the sounds and music, or ability to mod the games, it is simply about preserving the work that someone has done. While I wouldn't reffuse to buy a game such as any updates from Gma or blind adrenaline with hardware keygens, I do hope if ever either of them goes out of business, they will make the right decision. Ditto with vip gameszone, indeed since we haven't heard any news of further developement from them (I know they were working on a business and stocks simulation), this might even become current. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Tom. I do agree on that score, and were justin to come back and start developement i would give him the reasonable bennifit of the doubt, heck, I've always found bsc very good with key replacements and the like in the past, and if we! were to miss out on any future work he does, we'd! be the ones shooting ourselves in the foot to use charles' phrase. that being said, even if you like someone's work, you can dislike some of their actions, which is my current feeling regarding Justin, and I do confess this might cause me to scrutanize any prices of future games and any security systems he includes very carefully if he were! to develope in the future. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship.
I personally tend to prefer to go in a diagonal search pattern myself at the beginning of the game, starting with b2, then c3, d4 etc, just so that I can more clearly gather which space I've covered in the grid, though as gabriel said once a ship is discovered, that does change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Michael. i disagree about making free games. charging for a game is not! a put down, since developers do need to perchice their sounds and music. What a company like bavisoft would need would be good customer service, talking to their customers, and obviously to have a good game to sell free or not. ditto with justin. As I said, i wouldn't reffuse to buy any games, such a decision would be silly, but I will say I would likely not be as generous in considdering how much money I wanted to spend on a future recalling justin's motivation over this business, ditto with bavisoft. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The Nightjar question.
No more then you do. Just keep checking every now and then. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:25 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] The Nightjar question. Hello. I remember about two weeks ago that the announcement about The Nightjar was coming to America. Well my question is, Does anyone know what time today it will be release in the U.S. app store? Thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Dallas. such limits are not actually just on audio games. Avg antivirus and pc tuneup programs limit you to two machines, and supernova limits you to three (though with supernova you get an extra license each month). the issue however, is that as Tom said, neither AVg nor Dolphin are likely to go out of business soon, thus meaning replacement keys are always obtainable, indeed I've had so many different licenses for supernova over the years on five or six different machines I can't count, particularly with all the version upgrades or even be in a position where if I really needed a new key I couldn't get one. Most graphical indi developers I've seen use name generated key systems, or even just sell you a download of a straight installer, (I've not bought many graphical indi games but I do have a couple, which i've installed on a couple of machines). One thing I do find odd, is that the security for software is so different from the security of buying other content across the internet. for example, there are I imagine not a few people on hear who know the internet audio drama series Leviathan chronicles, (and if not, check it out it' is great!). As people will know, while the main series is free, various audio extras are available to buy, such as special edition episodes and directors cut versions of the main series. When however you buy these, you simply get a download link with an expiration on it. You download the episodes, then the link won't work anymore, however that is it! no passwords, no codes nada! just download and play. yes, this makes them infinitely piratable if a person chose, but equally the producers are banking on people's honesty, partiuclarly since they offer so much for free and are very much an indi audio company. while some audio companies have proprietory software, encripted files etc, Leviathan, and a few others recognize this does no good, - after all, pretty much anything! that plays can be coppied with a digital reccorder, (one reason why apple's itunes system is rather doomed). Yet, why can indi audio producers have this level of trust in their customers, when if anything their work is easier! to pirate, while software developers do not? that people will pirate things is inevitable, and I'm pretty sure if I searched around there are pirated copies of Leviathan floating about, but that didn't make the producers attempt some draconian system of control, so what is so different with indi developed software? Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] JIm's battleship.
Hi Jim. it's a while since I played your battleship game, and it's possible that was a previous version, but when i first played I do remember being stuck because the game didn't say which was easiest or hardest, it just said a difficulty 0 to 9, which was a little uncertain, particularly because on various rp dice and systems not to mention the number row of the keyboard, zero comes after nine. It's possible though you cleared up the wording in a later version, or that I was just being dim :d. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Know one ever has to make there games free. It's there choice and who knows, they may resurrect them or parts of them some day. I agree with Charles On 4/23/2013 1:51 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] treasuremania1
HI all was wondering i am playing and loving treasuremania1 and wonder if someone can remind me how to use the terbos nd how to access the manual lightt tech interactive put this game out. Thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Dark, Several points I want to make here. Hardware locking of software, or effectively the same, is common in other areas as well. SNES cartridges didn't work in Nintendo 64's, 64's cartridges didn't work in GameCube, etc. If your console died, you either needed to get another console that worked with the games you owned, or not play them. I realize it isn't a direct comparison, but it's a similar situation. It's the huge rate of piracy in this industry that makes it necessary to do this. We resisted locking our games down for ten years, but that hasn't worked all that well, because many folks in the VI community…not all by any means but a significant number…justify it by saying they are on a fixed income, etc. Somehow, that makes it okay to steal games. Sad, but true. Your iTunes comment is baffling, though. iTunes is the #1 digital music seller by a huge margin, does not sell music with DRM, and uses a variant of an open format. iTunes tracks can be played on a wide variety of players, not just Apple produced ones. In fact, MP3 is a far more encumbered format in terms of licensing. You just don't think of it as so, because it has become so ubiquitous. It was the record labels, not APple, that insisted on the DRM, and as soon as it became possible, Apple used its power in the industry to ditch it, as it was far more trouble than it was worth. TV and movie content still is DRM encumbered, but that's true no matter where you get it from, and neither Apple or anyone else at this point has the power to challenge HOllywood to change the status quo. As for as Justin's decision goes…I think he's got every right to retain his intellectual copyright, and, as a developer, I'm frankly appalled at the sentiments toward Justin and his decisions. He worked hard on those games. Why should he give them away? I guess I'll know what to expect if I ever retire. It's these kinds of attitudes that push debs away from interacting with the community. It's why I rarely do. On Apr 23, 2013, at 6:57 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Dallas. such limits are not actually just on audio games. Avg antivirus and pc tuneup programs limit you to two machines, and supernova limits you to three (though with supernova you get an extra license each month). the issue however, is that as Tom said, neither AVg nor Dolphin are likely to go out of business soon, thus meaning replacement keys are always obtainable, indeed I've had so many different licenses for supernova over the years on five or six different machines I can't count, particularly with all the version upgrades or even be in a position where if I really needed a new key I couldn't get one. Most graphical indi developers I've seen use name generated key systems, or even just sell you a download of a straight installer, (I've not bought many graphical indi games but I do have a couple, which i've installed on a couple of machines). One thing I do find odd, is that the security for software is so different from the security of buying other content across the internet. for example, there are I imagine not a few people on hear who know the internet audio drama series Leviathan chronicles, (and if not, check it out it' is great!). As people will know, while the main series is free, various audio extras are available to buy, such as special edition episodes and directors cut versions of the main series. When however you buy these, you simply get a download link with an expiration on it. You download the episodes, then the link won't work anymore, however that is it! no passwords, no codes nada! just download and play. yes, this makes them infinitely piratable if a person chose, but equally the producers are banking on people's honesty, partiuclarly since they offer so much for free and are very much an indi audio company. while some audio companies have proprietory software, encripted files etc, Leviathan, and a few others recognize this does no good, - after all, pretty much anything! that plays can be coppied with a digital reccorder, (one reason why apple's itunes system is rather doomed). Yet, why can indi audio producers have this level of trust in their customers, when if anything their work is easier! to pirate, while software developers do not? that people will pirate things is inevitable, and I'm pretty sure if I searched around there are pirated copies of Leviathan floating about, but that didn't make the producers attempt some draconian system of control, so what is so different with indi developed software? Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
[Audyssey] News from Draconis Entertainment
Greetings gamers, We have a few notes to pass along. The new Draconis Entertainment website has arrived at DracoEnt.com! We’ve dramatically simplified the interface, making it much easier to use. We have all new product pages for Mac and Windows, new scoreboards, and a Help Desk and Knowledge Base. If you want to keep up with developments at Draconis, you can subscribe to our RSS feed or follow us on Twitter. Like any big website overhaul, there may be glitches in the system. If you run into any problems, please let us know. Part of this overhaul included some changes to how our scoreboards function. Please let s know if there are any compatibility problems you discover with our older titles. The boards will now automatically reset on the 1st of every month. Some of you expressed disappointment that we didn't have plans to support scoreboards in the future. Well, this is your chance, gamers. If you want us to support scoreboards for future titles, use these older ones and show us that it is something that truly matters to you. If there's enough interest, we will look into building new scoreboard functionality into the next-fen Draconis game engine. The launch of ChangeReaction 2.X for Windows is right around the corner, so stay tuned! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming Dice
Just to sort of close this particular thread maybe and merge it with the other, I'm considering the pros and cons of obtaining a 3d scanner printer as opposed to having molds cast. It's a tough call. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Decota. Well it's probably going to be a case of seeing what the thing costs, then letting us know how much and then seeing whether enough people would be interested at the price as you said. I'm not saying we should get the things for free, or even at the same price as people pay for their printed dice produced by games supply companies, however equally the fact that there is an alternative method of accessing gaming dice is a contributing factor. how all this works out however is not something we can really assess until you know the probable production costs plus any prophit margin, which is after all fair enough given your putting in the work (albeit perhaps not at the massive markup that most access companies get), which is indeed why i started quoting figures. Perhaps this is something you could check out and let us know? Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Gaming dice
Right now, the problem with consumer grade 3d printers is size. I could get a setup for ... I think about $2500 to $3500 U.S. That would include a 3d scanner. I could then take and modify another set of generic dice with a 3d modeling program. The trouble I see is two-fold. The printers are going to have trouble making small shapes like that without discontinuities. I'm going to do a lot of research on this, call in some help and favors in the tech field, and get back to you guys when I know more. It's even possible, given a few connections, that I could rent time at a pro-grade 3d printer. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 4/23/13, Cara Quinn caraqu...@caraquinn.com wrote: Hi Dark, thanks for your note! Well, with the way this technology is going, just wait a few minutes and I'll bet it will be in your price range! ;) Have a wonderful day and talk with you soon!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:51 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi kara. I'm afraid that that amount of money, close to 800 pounds is not exactly what I'd consider cheap, albeit that I know that in the access community that sort of money is usual (look at the price of braille displays). ultimately it's something I can see being a good idea if a person happened to have access to such a machine, but not something I can imagine a private individual owning unless they had a lot more money than I do. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] treasuremania1
Hi lisa. the manual can be found in the program group on the menue as normal, or by going into the program folder and finding the readme text file. If I remember rightly, to use a turbo you use ctrl with up and down arrow when using your hook, though it has been a while since I played the game so i could be wrong on this. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] treasuremania1 HI all was wondering i am playing and loving treasuremania1 and wonder if someone can remind me how to use the terbos nd how to access the manual lightt tech interactive put this game out. Thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
Hello all I have some questions that I was hoping someone can answer for me. They are a bit on and a bit off topic questions. See I'm trying to make a sound pack for some games I have in mind, but first I need sound files. First it was like 2 or 3 years ago that a friend showed me a game on the psp I think it was called beat mixer. I was hoping that someone knew of a game or soft wear that is compatible with my screen reader so I can make sound tracks and save them to a sound file. The next question is. I was looking for a soft wear that I can edit video and sound files to make sound clips with. And also a friend of mine sent me a link on a braille smart phone that I thought that the blind gaming community would like to read. http://paritynews.com/mobile-telco/item/1005-braille-display-based-phone-inv ented-in-india Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An AnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Hi. Last I checked if you downloaded a track in itunes, you couldn't use it without the itunes program at the least, if this has changed I would indeed be interested to know, since it is the chief reason I do not buy or use itunes since I want the freedom to listen to any music or books I buy in any compatible device, indeed since I've painstakingly sat and created a configuration file for winamp which runs exactly with my desktop speakers, obviously i'd prefer to use that. As regards the comments about the community, the issue is not one of copywrite or anything like that. if justin were still around and selling his games, even if not updated I'd be the first person to support him, however the issue is one of legacy. Justins games will not be around anymore, in any way shape or form plane and simple. This is something which sega, nintendo and mainstream companies got fairly quickly, which is why game collections for more modern consoles not to mention services like Wii virtual console, xbox live etc still exist, and are the place you can still get all your old games, yes you have to pay for them, but that is not the issue, (as I said, I'm the first to agree that developers should sell their games). The same might be true of taped music going to cd, or video casettes going to dvd. Yess, you might have to pay for the new hardware format, but the thing is still available. It is justin's unwillingness to make his games available and effectively saying anyone who doesn't buy from me in the next month can't have them which is the issue here, not his right to sell them or anything else. if another developer were selling them, that would also be fine, but again that is not the case. As to the community, well there are scumbags anywhere. I have noticed people have a huge downer on the games playing community in general because of a number of pirates. yes, there are people who believe that they are entitled to steal a dev's work because they are blind, or the like, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush since there are also plenty of people who do! indeed wish to support game developement as wel. I have I'm afraid noticed a tendenccy among some people to over emphasize and sterriotype the community generally, and believe the worst of everyone's motives because of some less pleasant individuals. for example, as I have explained myself my issue with justin has nothing to do with entitlement, being blind or anything else. I might feel exactly the same if a developer of graphical indi games, or indeed an audio drama company behaved in the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] News from Draconis Entertainment
Great news. Glad developement is still progressing and I look forward to trying the new version of change reaction. all the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Draconis i...@dracoent.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: [Audyssey] News from Draconis Entertainment Greetings gamers, We have a few notes to pass along. The new Draconis Entertainment website has arrived at DracoEnt.com! We’ve dramatically simplified the interface, making it much easier to use. We have all new product pages for Mac and Windows, new scoreboards, and a Help Desk and Knowledge Base. If you want to keep up with developments at Draconis, you can subscribe to our RSS feed or follow us on Twitter. Like any big website overhaul, there may be glitches in the system. If you run into any problems, please let us know. Part of this overhaul included some changes to how our scoreboards function. Please let s know if there are any compatibility problems you discover with our older titles. The boards will now automatically reset on the 1st of every month. Some of you expressed disappointment that we didn't have plans to support scoreboards in the future. Well, this is your chance, gamers. If you want us to support scoreboards for future titles, use these older ones and show us that it is something that truly matters to you. If there's enough interest, we will look into building new scoreboard functionality into the next-fen Draconis game engine. The launch of ChangeReaction 2.X for Windows is right around the corner, so stay tuned! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An AnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Dark, You haven't needed the iTunes program for a number of years now. I know for a fact that iTunes files can be played in Windows Media Player, edited in Goldwave, and I almost completely sure they'll play in Winamp. Keep in mind though that this is for music and podcasts only, movies and tv shows still have DRM attached to them as they would anywhere. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2013, at 10:45, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Last I checked if you downloaded a track in itunes, you couldn't use it without the itunes program at the least, if this has changed I would indeed be interested to know, since it is the chief reason I do not buy or use itunes since I want the freedom to listen to any music or books I buy in any compatible device, indeed since I've painstakingly sat and created a configuration file for winamp which runs exactly with my desktop speakers, obviously i'd prefer to use that. As regards the comments about the community, the issue is not one of copywrite or anything like that. if justin were still around and selling his games, even if not updated I'd be the first person to support him, however the issue is one of legacy. Justins games will not be around anymore, in any way shape or form plane and simple. This is something which sega, nintendo and mainstream companies got fairly quickly, which is why game collections for more modern consoles not to mention services like Wii virtual console, xbox live etc still exist, and are the place you can still get all your old games, yes you have to pay for them, but that is not the issue, (as I said, I'm the first to agree that developers should sell their games). The same might be true of taped music going to cd, or video casettes going to dvd. Yess, you might have to pay for the new hardware format, but the thing is still available. It is justin's unwillingness to make his games available and effectively saying anyone who doesn't buy from me in the next month can't have them which is the issue here, not his right to sell them or anything else. if another developer were selling them, that would also be fine, but again that is not the case. As to the community, well there are scumbags anywhere. I have noticed people have a huge downer on the games playing community in general because of a number of pirates. yes, there are people who believe that they are entitled to steal a dev's work because they are blind, or the like, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush since there are also plenty of people who do! indeed wish to support game developement as wel. I have I'm afraid noticed a tendenccy among some people to over emphasize and sterriotype the community generally, and believe the worst of everyone's motives because of some less pleasant individuals. for example, as I have explained myself my issue with justin has nothing to do with entitlement, being blind or anything else. I might feel exactly the same if a developer of graphical indi games, or indeed an audio drama company behaved in the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An AnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Hi Dark, That hasn't been the case with iTunes tracks in over six years. You can do whatever you want with them. Anything that plays MP4/AAC format can play them, and they can be easily converted to any other format you want, including directly in iTunes. It must've been a very, very long time since you looked into this. *grin* I was very, very clear in my original email that it was many, but by no means all, in the community who feel it is okay to steal. I am very aware of that fact, or I wouldn't continue doing what I'm doing. Personally, I think it makes sense for Justin to retain his rights in the event he changes his mind and wants to develop games again. I do not believe this is selfish of him, and, regardless of whether you agree with his choices, I think it is awful to start slighting his character just because he hasn't done what you wanted him to. I've seen him called greedy, self-centered, and needing to get into the community's good graces, and it is disgraceful. You can disagree with the man's choices without resorting to personal attacks. On Apr 23, 2013, at 10:45 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Last I checked if you downloaded a track in itunes, you couldn't use it without the itunes program at the least, if this has changed I would indeed be interested to know, since it is the chief reason I do not buy or use itunes since I want the freedom to listen to any music or books I buy in any compatible device, indeed since I've painstakingly sat and created a configuration file for winamp which runs exactly with my desktop speakers, obviously i'd prefer to use that. As regards the comments about the community, the issue is not one of copywrite or anything like that. if justin were still around and selling his games, even if not updated I'd be the first person to support him, however the issue is one of legacy. Justins games will not be around anymore, in any way shape or form plane and simple. This is something which sega, nintendo and mainstream companies got fairly quickly, which is why game collections for more modern consoles not to mention services like Wii virtual console, xbox live etc still exist, and are the place you can still get all your old games, yes you have to pay for them, but that is not the issue, (as I said, I'm the first to agree that developers should sell their games). The same might be true of taped music going to cd, or video casettes going to dvd. Yess, you might have to pay for the new hardware format, but the thing is still available. It is justin's unwillingness to make his games available and effectively saying anyone who doesn't buy from me in the next month can't have them which is the issue here, not his right to sell them or anything else. if another developer were selling them, that would also be fine, but again that is not the case. As to the community, well there are scumbags anywhere. I have noticed people have a huge downer on the games playing community in general because of a number of pirates. yes, there are people who believe that they are entitled to steal a dev's work because they are blind, or the like, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush since there are also plenty of people who do! indeed wish to support game developement as wel. I have I'm afraid noticed a tendenccy among some people to over emphasize and sterriotype the community generally, and believe the worst of everyone's motives because of some less pleasant individuals. for example, as I have explained myself my issue with justin has nothing to do with entitlement, being blind or anything else. I might feel exactly the same if a developer of graphical indi games, or indeed an audio drama company behaved in the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
What a fascinating can of worms Justin's decision has opened for us. Like many of you, I personally dislike when companies whose software has run its commercial cycle remove it from the world rather than make it freely available. It does leave a bad taste in the mouth. However, I too have experienced how quick Justin was at replacing lost keys. Same with GMA Games who also use keys tighed to the computer the game is installed on. The only point at which hardware generated keys really become a major issue is when situations like what's happening now occur and developers no longer make replacements available. I can't help but resent that. I don't have $75 to spare. Nor should I need to spend that to keep playing Pipe2 and Troopanum2, the two games that most appealed to me and that I legally purchased. I'm not about to rule out buying games which use hardware keys to secure them. However, this incident will definitely come to mind and make me think twice much as what happened when James North pulled the plug gives me pause regarding pre-ordering a game which has yet to be finished. While it's perfectly fare to keep in mind what's happened here if Justin ever decided to develop future games, it isn't fare to dishonour his wishes and spread keys and such around. That's crossing an important line of trust. We don't know what conditions are attached to the licenses of components used in his games. For instance, there may be conditions related to the sounds or voice acting he used which prohibit him from giving away the games. It could be any number of things. It's unreasonable to expect developers to support their games forever. However, I also very much wish they didn't have this idea that they could basically cut off one's ownership of a fairly purchased game. On 4/23/13, ryan rperd...@triad.rr.com wrote: Know one ever has to make there games free. It's there choice and who knows, they may resurrect them or parts of them some day. I agree with Charles On 4/23/2013 1:51 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam http://www.thedam.org 2011-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: AnAnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Yeah. I play ITunes files In WinAmp a lot. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Karl Belanger Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:51 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: AnAnnouncementRegarding BSC Games Dark, You haven't needed the iTunes program for a number of years now. I know for a fact that iTunes files can be played in Windows Media Player, edited in Goldwave, and I almost completely sure they'll play in Winamp. Keep in mind though that this is for music and podcasts only, movies and tv shows still have DRM attached to them as they would anywhere. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 23, 2013, at 10:45, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. Last I checked if you downloaded a track in itunes, you couldn't use it without the itunes program at the least, if this has changed I would indeed be interested to know, since it is the chief reason I do not buy or use itunes since I want the freedom to listen to any music or books I buy in any compatible device, indeed since I've painstakingly sat and created a configuration file for winamp which runs exactly with my desktop speakers, obviously i'd prefer to use that. As regards the comments about the community, the issue is not one of copywrite or anything like that. if justin were still around and selling his games, even if not updated I'd be the first person to support him, however the issue is one of legacy. Justins games will not be around anymore, in any way shape or form plane and simple. This is something which sega, nintendo and mainstream companies got fairly quickly, which is why game collections for more modern consoles not to mention services like Wii virtual console, xbox live etc still exist, and are the place you can still get all your old games, yes you have to pay for them, but that is not the issue, (as I said, I'm the first to agree that developers should sell their games). The same might be true of taped music going to cd, or video casettes going to dvd. Yess, you might have to pay for the new hardware format, but the thing is still available. It is justin's unwillingness to make his games available and effectively saying anyone who doesn't buy from me in the next month can't have them which is the issue here, not his right to sell them or anything else. if another developer were selling them, that would also be fine, but again that is not the case. As to the community, well there are scumbags anywhere. I have noticed people have a huge downer on the games playing community in general because of a number of pirates. yes, there are people who believe that they are entitled to steal a dev's work because they are blind, or the like, but please don't tar everyone with the same brush since there are also plenty of people who do! indeed wish to support game developement as wel. I have I'm afraid noticed a tendenccy among some people to over emphasize and sterriotype the community generally, and believe the worst of everyone's motives because of some less pleasant individuals. for example, as I have explained myself my issue with justin has nothing to do with entitlement, being blind or anything else. I might feel exactly the same if a developer of graphical indi games, or indeed an audio drama company behaved in the same way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: AnAnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Hi Karl. Fair enough, this was obviously something I missed, and is something I'll considder when i start investigating Itunes, thanks for letting me know. all the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: AnAnnouncementRegarding BSC Games
Ah, good to know regarding itunes. As to justin's choices and motivations, I've explained my reasons for believing as I do, and do bare in mind I don't go throwing around words like self centered on a whim. Actually, it is not for myself or justin doing what I want that is the issue. For myself, I will likely buy the pack before the time runs out, and will run it on any future compatible machines I own, end of story, it is for the wider view that I am concerned and it is in this respect that I question justin's motivations for this action. Still, as Tom said, Justin obviously does not care what people think about these actions otherwise I'm pretty sure tom's earlier message would've changed his mind, so debating his motives isn't going to help anyone and thus we might as well close this part of the discussion. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Interesting article about game accessibility from Microsoft
Hello there Thank you very much for sharing that. It was a great read and it opened my eyes no pun intended that when I start to make games that it's more then blindness that I need to keep in mind, and how much I give windows a hard time that there the ones that wrote the article and that I maybe should lighten up a little. Well maybe not l o l jk. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
The point is that you should not demand that games be free. That is a selfish and childish demand. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
If I think a game's worth paying for I'll pay for it. And if I don't have the money right at first I'll save up and pay for it later. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The point is that you should not demand that games be free. That is a selfish and childish demand. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hello Thank you for telling us that info. That realy does stink, but I know that the other developers will do great like they have been, and there are still up coming developers to that can learn from this, and make there owne mark in the gaming world. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
You can generally just google sound editing software. I personally use soundforge, but I have heard good reviews of goldwave, wavepad and audacity. As far as sounds go, just google download free sounds. - Original Message - From: James Bartlett jab8...@gmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:28:46 -0400 Subject: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions Hello all I have some questions that I was hoping someone can answer for me. They are a bit on and a bit off topic questions. See I'm trying to make a sound pack for some games I have in mind, but first I need sound files. First it was like 2 or 3 years ago that a friend showed me a game on the psp I think it was called beat mixer. I was hoping that someone knew of a game or soft wear that is compatible with my screen reader so I can make sound tracks and save them to a sound file. The next question is. I was looking for a soft wear that I can edit video and sound files to make sound clips with. And also a friend of mine sent me a link on a braille smart phone that I thought that the blind gaming community would like to read. http://paritynews.com/mobile-telco/item/1005-braille-display-base d-phone-inv ented-in-india Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
hI there Very well put, but people will do that anyway no matter the price. The only thing that stinks is that I don't get all that much a month and all my money gos to rent and my wife olny works a parttime job right now, and we have 2 kids to wary about to. So I don't think that I'll be abel to get the money up in time. Witch means that I'll never get the opotunity to play any of those games or lots of other people ether. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
Hello I'll look in to those, and do just that. Thank you for your help. James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] yet another BSC message
Hmm, can anyone guess which topic will claim the number 1 position when Jim sends out the Gamers report for April 2013? I won't be making any bets for sure. Anyway, for whatever it's worth, I just placed my order for the BSC titles, ahem, code generator. I wouldn't want to give the impression I'm buying games I don't want. grin. Anyway, the process was super-easy, the site was friendly as always, and although I'm saddened to see it go away, I totally understand Justin's reasons for this. I've been in a similar situation as he is in now. Anyway, the code generator seems rather easy to use. I'll have to install one of the titles I don't have and test it out to make sure things work as advertised, but I don't have any doubts. Take care all. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The Nightjar question.
Hey, Darren. Have you gotten the game yet from the U.S. app store? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi, I don't think he's in it for the profits. But one will believe what one thinks is right of course. No matter how much this horse is beat to death, no one will come to a complete agreement for that is the nature of man. Oh, and to be politically correct, of woman too. -- Raul A. Gallegos I'm so good at sleeping, I can do it with my eyes closed..Bazinga! aahaa - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/22/2013 6:51 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] The Nightjar question.
No. give it 2 more days. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:29 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] The Nightjar question. Hey, Darren. Have you gotten the game yet from the U.S. app store? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi, if you are referring to BSC games and free games, they did in fact have a couple of free games out there. So, I fail to see the point of your message. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 1:37 PM, michael barnes wrote: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
Hi, I recommend Gold wave, but to be fair it is the only one I have used so I am biased. It is pretty easy though to do some of the cooler things. Below is a list of sites that I use for making tactical battles map pack sounds. Most have free sounds. The Recordist: http://www.therecordist.com/free-sfx Sound Dogs: http://www.sounddogs.com/ Hollywood edge: http://www.hollywoodedge.com/ http://soundbible.com/ affordable sounds for everyone: http://www.affordableaudio4everyone.com/ http://www.shockwave-sound.com/Sound_Effects.html Star trek dimensions multimedia library: http://www.stdimension.org/MediaLib/technologye.htm The Force.net post production starwars/startrek/guns and more: http://theforce.net/fanfilms/postproduction/soundfx/index.asp Voices and vocals: http://www.pacdv.com/sounds/voices-1.html Free sounds _not the greatest): http://www.freesfx.co.uk/sfx/whoosh Sound snap: http://www.soundsnap.com/ audiomicro: http://www.audiomicro.com/ blastwave fx: http://www.blastwavefx.com/ Some free royalty music sites are below. You will need a bit torrent program like bit comet. game mp3s: http://www.gamemp3s.net/torrents/ Overclocked: http://ocremix.org/ No soap radio: http://www.nosoapradio.us/ The truth will set you free Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] bsc games question
Hi: I just made the purchase too and have never used a key generator before that I know of lol. Is it a rather small file as when I downloaded it it seemed to take well less than a second. Also I have a game and the day by day pro software presently. Will I have to reinstall them so they stay working? Liz --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] bsc games question
It is a small file from what I hear. As I understand it you just run it and it brings up a list of all the available BSC products. You just select the one you want to register, tab over to the Product ID field and paste the product ID of the program you want into the box and then hit Generate. It'll copy your unlock code to the clipboard and you just paste it into the program to register it. I don't have it myself but I was curious how it worked and someone who'd already bought it explained the process to me. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Liz Wade Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:02 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] bsc games question Hi: I just made the purchase too and have never used a key generator before that I know of lol. Is it a rather small file as when I downloaded it it seemed to take well less than a second. Also I have a game and the day by day pro software presently. Will I have to reinstall them so they stay working? Liz --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] super deekout setup?
Does anyone still have this game? I wanted to play it a while ago... but since my computer crashed I haven't been able to find it again, as I never backed up the setup file. Is it still floating around somewhere? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
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[Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Hi Michael and all, To be honest it is comments like yours that makes good honest working developers think twice about developing products and services for the blind. Saying that Justin or anyone else should develop a few good games for free is beyond unrealistic. Its obvious you have no understanding of what is involved in running a small business let alone developing games and other software for a minority market like the blind. So here is a few things to consider the next time you open your mouth asking for a free handout. Sounds and music, especially high quality sounds and music, are really really expensive. On average a basic collection of royalty free sounds from Sound Ideas on CD will cost anywhere from $400 to $600 and can cost into the thousands for an extensive collection. Royalty free music equally costs hundreds and even thousands for a large library. If a developer gives his games away where do you expect all that money to come from? Since developers in this community use the internet for selling products and services they need to purchase a domain which costs about $15 per year, at least a gig of drive space which can cost around $500 per year, and of course pay bandwidth costs which costs another $6 to $10 per month depending on how much bandwidth is needed for that month. So figure on paying about $500 to $600 on just keeping the internet presents on the web to host all these great products. So I ask if a developer is giving his games away where is he going to get that money? Now, I personally do my own web pages, but do you know if I were developing a web site for a company I would charge on average $10 per web page. That's pretty standard for web developers, and if I had to hire someone to do it for me 30 pages for $10 each is roughly $300 just to build the site. That's in addition to the $500 or so I am spending per year just to rent the server space and bandwidth costs etc. Here is another expense you probably haven't considered and that is the cost of software and tools. I know you and others have suggested that we port our games to Mac OS and iOS. Fine that is going to cost me at least $1200 for a Macbook running Mac OS 10.7 or whatever the latest release is, and perhaps $500 for an Apple iPad for testing. Oh, round figures we are looking at just over $1700 in hardware and software for me to port my games to iOS and MacOS considering I don't have the hardware and software to do it to begin with. Even if I don't port my games to Mac and iOS I may choose to purchase Windows 8 for $150 and upgrade to Visual Studio 2012 Pro for about $600 in order to make sure my games use the latest compilers, libraries, and tools for Windows 8. That of course costs money as well. If that is not enough to flip your lid how about the time I spend each day or each week on writing said games. Is my time and effort expected to be given away for free? Do you think so little of our audio game developers that they are to be considered little more than slaves? Do you think if someone asked you to put a few hundred hours into a game project you would do it for free? Sorry, if I sound a little harsh here, but I think it is high time that someone speak up and set this community straight on a few basic facts of life which it seems some people haven't considered or thought too much about. A few days ago Cara asked the question if the community would support our developers, make it worth our time to continue developing products for this community, and the costs listed above is a prime reason why. Developing high quality games costs lots of money. Far more money than the average blind American collects from SSI checks each month. A game developer will spend many hours developing and testing the software and that time and effort shouldn't be considered free either. So its not unreasonable for a person to charge a fee of $25 to $30 from each customer to pay for decent sounds, music, to pay for web space, or anything he or she needs as well as a bit extra for taking the time to do it in the first place. Remember we owe you absolutely nothing at all. We do it because we like writing games, but we also want some financial compensation for the time and money spent on creating them. If you are not willing to financially support the audio game developers you have, insist on them releasing free games, then they won't be around very long. There are other markets out there for a blind developer to sell products to. For example, if I wrote a day by day planner similar to the one from Blindsoftware.com and sold it to the general public I probably would make more off that one product then any audio game just because I'd be selling it to college students, small businesses, and average house holds. The point being if I were interested in making money I could do it by simply investing my time and my efforts into products for the general public and not waste the time or effort on audio games. I consider writing these games
[Audyssey] top speed three
My girl friend has this game on her windows xp and, is having problems with her track that I helped her make but, it is not showing up with in the game. She has it saved under c:\program files\playinginthedark\topspeed3\track. She also has her wave file in the same location. I even had her drop box me a copy of her trk file to make sure it was right. And, it looks like mine and, mine works fine. -- Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] super deekout setup?
Hi Clement, Sure. Just go to Daniel Zingaro's site http://www.danielzingaro.com and download the setup. That's where he put them when he put up his new site last year. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone still have this game? I wanted to play it a while ago... but since my computer crashed I haven't been able to find it again, as I never backed up the setup file. Is it still floating around somewhere? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] super deekout setup?
Hi. I have the setup, and I can put it to dropbox and send it, if I have the permission, of course. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] super deekout setup? Does anyone still have this game? I wanted to play it a while ago... but since my computer crashed I haven't been able to find it again, as I never backed up the setup file. Is it still floating around somewhere? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] super deekout setup?
Thanks Tom. I must've missed that bit of news last year... I've been so busy a lot of audio game news has just gone right under my radar. lol - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] super deekout setup? Hi Clement, Sure. Just go to Daniel Zingaro's site http://www.danielzingaro.com and download the setup. That's where he put them when he put up his new site last year. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone still have this game? I wanted to play it a while ago... but since my computer crashed I haven't been able to find it again, as I never backed up the setup file. Is it still floating around somewhere? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Hi Thomas, I totally agree here. As a hobbiest game developer I know exactly what you're talking about. And that is one of the prime reasons I have not created any audio games lately, that being the money aspect. I haven't been able to work as much as I would like during my college classes, etc, so I don't have the finances coming in for all the sounds and music. Thanks, -Michael. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Lets be clear about things here folks. I think there's danger of a mix-up here. A developer who creates free games is being generous. We're not entitled to them. They're gifts to the community. The real issue currently under scrutiny is whether it's fare of developers to simply remove their games from the market and make it impossible to obtain legal copies. I think it's clearly lawful for Justin to do what he's doing. They're his intellectual property and as long as he meets any obligations owed his current customers, I can't fault him. I personally don't feel that I, a legitimate owner of his products, should have to pay for keys needed after he closes his business. However, that's a moral obligation that I feel is not being met rather than a legal one. The only way he would fail to meet legal obligations was if he promised in his software licences that he'd provide such keys forever. I haven't read the full license but very much doubt it would say this. The selection of games blind people have access to is still incredibly small when compared to what sighted people have. For this reason, I hope that developers will leave their creations freely obtainable once they've become commercially unviable. This adds to the library of example games which people may try which will wet their appetites for new games from currently active developers It also increases the freely available examples of accessible games which interested sighted people can try without having to purchase anything. On 4/23/13, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi, if you are referring to BSC games and free games, they did in fact have a couple of free games out there. So, I fail to see the point of your message. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 1:37 PM, michael barnes wrote: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam http://www.thedam.org 2011-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] More on hardware keys was: Re: An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Dark and all, not only that, but studies show that the hardware ID key systems haven't done anything to prevent or slow down piracy. Microsoft found this out the hard way in 2007 when they released Windows Vista with a new hardware key system, and within two weeks or so there were cracks all over the web that simply went around Microsoft's brand spanking new key system. Point being the only people Microsoft punished were the honest paying customers like myself who paid for Windows Vista about a week or so after it came out. It didn't slow down or stop the software pirates. So what good did it do switching to a hardware key system? The reason hardware keys don't work is because it often fails to address the underlying reasons for piracy in the first place. There are a number of reasons why people pirate software and they can be addressed if a developer recognizes why his/her software is being pirated. One, is the issue of cost. I think we all understand the fact that do to exchange rates and so forth that what may be reasonable to one customer is an absurd amount of money to another. For a Canadian, American, or British customer $30 USD is probably pretty reasonable amount of money. However, I know that there are countries where that is hundreds perhaps thousands in their currency do to exchange rates. Therefore the only way they can hope to get the game is to steel it, or if the developer will offer a special deal to purchase the game at a lower price. Bottom line, if someone can't afford it they won't buy it. Then, there is the issue of availability. Do to trade embargos and other things like that a developer can't sell software to other countries even though he or she may personally like to. There are countries such as Iran that the United States government has placed trade embargos on and it would be unlawful for a U.S. company to sell products and services to an Iranian person. Plus services like Paypal won't accept payments from countries under a trade embargo so a customer in such a situation really has little choice but to pirate the software weather they want to or not. Finally, there is the person who has the money but refuses to pay for the software but would rather pirate it instead. This is sadly more common than we would like, but there is nothing we can do about it. Someone who is going to steel software is going to do it no matter what. The point I want to make here is that all too often software developers look at piracy as losing money. That they count every act of piracy as a financial loss. The reality is that in a lot of cases it isn't a financial loss because either the person didn't have the money, they live in a country under a trade embargo, or are a dishonest git to begin with the developer wasn't going to be able to sell the software to him/her anyway. Its no great loss because honest customers and those who can pay will pay. The only thing a security system needs to do is keep an honest customer honest and there are proven methods to do that without resorting to draconian hardware key systems etc. Cheers! On 4/23/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Dallas. such limits are not actually just on audio games. Avg antivirus and pc tuneup programs limit you to two machines, and supernova limits you to three (though with supernova you get an extra license each month). the issue however, is that as Tom said, neither AVg nor Dolphin are likely to go out of business soon, thus meaning replacement keys are always obtainable, indeed I've had so many different licenses for supernova over the years on five or six different machines I can't count, particularly with all the version upgrades or even be in a position where if I really needed a new key I couldn't get one. Most graphical indi developers I've seen use name generated key systems, or even just sell you a download of a straight installer, (I've not bought many graphical indi games but I do have a couple, which i've installed on a couple of machines). One thing I do find odd, is that the security for software is so different from the security of buying other content across the internet. for example, there are I imagine not a few people on hear who know the internet audio drama series Leviathan chronicles, (and if not, check it out it' is great!). As people will know, while the main series is free, various audio extras are available to buy, such as special edition episodes and directors cut versions of the main series. When however you buy these, you simply get a download link with an expiration on it. You download the episodes, then the link won't work anymore, however that is it! no passwords, no codes nada! just download and play. yes, this makes them infinitely piratable if a person chose, but equally the producers are banking on people's honesty, partiuclarly since they offer so much for free and are very much an indi audio company. while some audio companies have
Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
Hello Allan Thank you so much that is a lot of links it will take me days to go through tham all smiles, and I all ready have utorrent. p. s. The truth has already set me free. I love how you put that on every post you send. bfn James -- From: Allan Thompson allan1.thomp...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:14 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions Hi, I recommend Gold wave, but to be fair it is the only one I have used so I am biased. It is pretty easy though to do some of the cooler things. Below is a list of sites that I use for making tactical battles map pack sounds. Most have free sounds. The Recordist: http://www.therecordist.com/free-sfx Sound Dogs: http://www.sounddogs.com/ Hollywood edge: http://www.hollywoodedge.com/ http://soundbible.com/ affordable sounds for everyone: http://www.affordableaudio4everyone.com/ http://www.shockwave-sound.com/Sound_Effects.html Star trek dimensions multimedia library: http://www.stdimension.org/MediaLib/technologye.htm The Force.net post production starwars/startrek/guns and more: http://theforce.net/fanfilms/postproduction/soundfx/index.asp Voices and vocals: http://www.pacdv.com/sounds/voices-1.html Free sounds _not the greatest): http://www.freesfx.co.uk/sfx/whoosh Sound snap: http://www.soundsnap.com/ audiomicro: http://www.audiomicro.com/ blastwave fx: http://www.blastwavefx.com/ Some free royalty music sites are below. You will need a bit torrent program like bit comet. game mp3s: http://www.gamemp3s.net/torrents/ Overclocked: http://ocremix.org/ No soap radio: http://www.nosoapradio.us/ The truth will set you free Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Moderator Close Blindsoftware.com Topics
Hi all, OK, over the last two or three days I think we all have said all there is to be said about Justin closing Blindsoftware.com and in some cases I feel some of the comments were crossing the line. Weather you agree or disagree with what Justin is doing, weather you think he is being selfish or not for retaining his intellectual rights, etc the fact is Justin has made his decision and we have to live with it. Since I feel this discussion has gone on long enough I here by ask that any and all threads pertaining to Blindsoftware.com closing be closed and let's return to discussion of games and so on. There is no more need to beat the proverbial dead horse to death. Thanks. Sincerely, Thomas Ward Owner-Moderator of the Audyssey Mailing List gamers-ow...@audyssey.org --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Hi Michael, Yes, exactly. Plus I think something people often overlook is a free game should be considered a gift not an obligation. When Philip Bennefall created Kryngal Crash he could have charged $10 for that game and I would have gladly paid for it,but he gave that game away for free. I equally think the Grate Toy Robbery from L-Works is another game worth a small fee like $10 but Liam gave that game away for free. Some people though are under the mistaken impression just because Jim Kitchen gives away his games for free or Liam gives away a free handout like Great Toy Robbery that they should get games out of some sense of obligation etc. Its this entitlement attitude that some people have that really angers me. I remember a case in point a few months back. I was on a list where someone was giving away copies of some commercial audio games. When I called the list moderators and the person on it they gave me the excuse that well some blind people are on fixed incomes like SSI. They do not have a lot of money so its OK if someone buys it and gives the games away for free. So I am given to understand due to this entitlement attitude people have if a person doesn't have much money the developer is obligated to give their games away for free, and if they don't they are morally in the right to just pirate it. Its no wonder certain developers don't have much respect or trust for their blind customers. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Michael Taboada mich...@speedofsoundgaming.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree here. As a hobbiest game developer I know exactly what you're talking about. And that is one of the prime reasons I have not created any audio games lately, that being the money aspect. I haven't been able to work as much as I would like during my college classes, etc, so I don't have the finances coming in for all the sounds and music. Thanks, -Michael. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Quite frankly this entitlement view is why I don't have much respect for many blind folks in general, and it's not ust to do with games. I get so mad when I hear people talk about ow they won't participate in an activity unless there's a discount because of blindness. THese are often the same people who'll threaten to sue a store employee if they refuse to help them shop regardless of the reasons for that refusal. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames Hi Michael, Yes, exactly. Plus I think something people often overlook is a free game should be considered a gift not an obligation. When Philip Bennefall created Kryngal Crash he could have charged $10 for that game and I would have gladly paid for it,but he gave that game away for free. I equally think the Grate Toy Robbery from L-Works is another game worth a small fee like $10 but Liam gave that game away for free. Some people though are under the mistaken impression just because Jim Kitchen gives away his games for free or Liam gives away a free handout like Great Toy Robbery that they should get games out of some sense of obligation etc. Its this entitlement attitude that some people have that really angers me. I remember a case in point a few months back. I was on a list where someone was giving away copies of some commercial audio games. When I called the list moderators and the person on it they gave me the excuse that well some blind people are on fixed incomes like SSI. They do not have a lot of money so its OK if someone buys it and gives the games away for free. So I am given to understand due to this entitlement attitude people have if a person doesn't have much money the developer is obligated to give their games away for free, and if they don't they are morally in the right to just pirate it. Its no wonder certain developers don't have much respect or trust for their blind customers. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Michael Taboada mich...@speedofsoundgaming.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree here. As a hobbiest game developer I know exactly what you're talking about. And that is one of the prime reasons I have not created any audio games lately, that being the money aspect. I haven't been able to work as much as I would like during my college classes, etc, so I don't have the finances coming in for all the sounds and music. Thanks, -Michael. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Definitely agree with all the points. But at the same time, I don't think it's just blind customers either. Sighted gamers or computer users are liable to pirate anything they think is to expensive because they are on fixed incomes or because they don't think something is worth the value that they have to pay. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames Hi Michael, Yes, exactly. Plus I think something people often overlook is a free game should be considered a gift not an obligation. When Philip Bennefall created Kryngal Crash he could have charged $10 for that game and I would have gladly paid for it,but he gave that game away for free. I equally think the Grate Toy Robbery from L-Works is another game worth a small fee like $10 but Liam gave that game away for free. Some people though are under the mistaken impression just because Jim Kitchen gives away his games for free or Liam gives away a free handout like Great Toy Robbery that they should get games out of some sense of obligation etc. Its this entitlement attitude that some people have that really angers me. I remember a case in point a few months back. I was on a list where someone was giving away copies of some commercial audio games. When I called the list moderators and the person on it they gave me the excuse that well some blind people are on fixed incomes like SSI. They do not have a lot of money so its OK if someone buys it and gives the games away for free. So I am given to understand due to this entitlement attitude people have if a person doesn't have much money the developer is obligated to give their games away for free, and if they don't they are morally in the right to just pirate it. Its no wonder certain developers don't have much respect or trust for their blind customers. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions
No problem , Brother. I do my best. I am certainly not perfect, but I try to help anyone if I can. When I started making TB maps, I had absolutely no idea where to get sounds from and how to edit them, and this list helped, so it is a little pay back to the list I guess as well, grin. Email me offlist if you need anything or want to talk. al The truth will set you free Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33A.D. - Original Message - From: James Bartlett To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] a bit on and a bit off topic questions Hello Allan Thank you so much that is a lot of links it will take me days to go through tham all smiles, and I all ready have utorrent. p. s. The truth has already set me free. I love how you put that on every post you send. bfn James -- From: Allan Tho --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Hi Clement, That is a valid point, but at the same time the issue here is that audio game developers are attempting to sell to a specialized market and piracy hurts them more than it does a company like Microsoft, Activision, EA Games, whatever. There are all kinds of costs in producing an audio game that insures that the game developer should make something for his time and effort and if he doesn't that game developer may end up spending more to make the game than he or she gets back in sales. That's why piracy is especially bad, and why the entitlement attitude that blind people should get something for nothing is ultimately self-defeating. There are a number of blind gamers that want audio game developers to create games like those for the mainstream market, but at the same time they don't want to pay for it. If they pirate a game or expect it should be given to them for free then the developer isn't going to develop games for them. So they can thank themselves for blowing it for everyone. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely agree with all the points. But at the same time, I don't think it's just blind customers either. Sighted gamers or computer users are liable to pirate anything they think is to expensive because they are on fixed incomes or because they don't think something is worth the value that they have to pay. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Not to mention Aprone's games. I know he's put in a lot of work on those. The great amount of negativity regarding the BSC games and dice project nearly made me unsub from the list so I appreciate your messages on the topic. Christina -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games Hi Michael, Yes, exactly. Plus I think something people often overlook is a free game should be considered a gift not an obligation. When Philip Bennefall created Kryngal Crash he could have charged $10 for that game and I would have gladly paid for it,but he gave that game away for free. I equally think the Grate Toy Robbery from L-Works is another game worth a small fee like $10 but Liam gave that game away for free. Some people though are under the mistaken impression just because Jim Kitchen gives away his games for free or Liam gives away a free handout like Great Toy Robbery that they should get games out of some sense of obligation etc. Its this entitlement attitude that some people have that really angers me. I remember a case in point a few months back. I was on a list where someone was giving away copies of some commercial audio games. When I called the list moderators and the person on it they gave me the excuse that well some blind people are on fixed incomes like SSI. They do not have a lot of money so its OK if someone buys it and gives the games away for free. So I am given to understand due to this entitlement attitude people have if a person doesn't have much money the developer is obligated to give their games away for free, and if they don't they are morally in the right to just pirate it. Its no wonder certain developers don't have much respect or trust for their blind customers. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Michael Taboada mich...@speedofsoundgaming.com wrote: Hi Thomas, I totally agree here. As a hobbiest game developer I know exactly what you're talking about. And that is one of the prime reasons I have not created any audio games lately, that being the money aspect. I haven't been able to work as much as I would like during my college classes, etc, so I don't have the finances coming in for all the sounds and music. Thanks, -Michael. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
Hi, it's on purpose. That server is on limited bandwidth and since I put the games back up over the weekend, it chewed through my bandwidth very quickly. So, they are there, and available, but not for you or anyone else just now. ?When my bandwidth resets I'll make them available again. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip to lose weight: First turn your head to the left, then to the right. Repeat this exercise every time you are offered something to eat. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 2:35 PM, enes wrote: hi, seems that raul's recordings are down I get an ftp error when trying to visit http://asmodean.net/games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
there is two programs that juston had on his site and i have them both one is talking clock and the other one is day by day both are great programs. your friend lee In a message dated 4/23/2013 2:38:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, c...@samobile.net writes: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
Awww, I was so looking forward to listening to Rawl play pipe2 insane. I actually love all of the recordings, but some of the pipe ones have me in fits, like the one where he keeps losing, sorry Raul, no offence, but it made me smile. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, it's on purpose. That server is on limited bandwidth and since I put the games back up over the weekend, it chewed through my bandwidth very quickly. So, they are there, and available, but not for you or anyone else just now. ?When my bandwidth resets I'll make them available again. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip to lose weight: First turn your head to the left, then to the right. Repeat this exercise every time you are offered something to eat. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 2:35 PM, enes wrote: hi, seems that raul's recordings are down I get an ftp error when trying to visit http://asmodean.net/games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
Hi, none taken. I'll have them up just as soon as I can. I'm looking at getting unlimited bandwidth for asmodean.net right now. Take care. -- Raul A. Gallegos You've cat to be kitten me right meow. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 4:37 PM, loriduncan wrote: Awww, I was so looking forward to listening to Rawl play pipe2 insane. I actually love all of the recordings, but some of the pipe ones have me in fits, like the one where he keeps losing, sorry Raul, no offence, but it made me smile. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, it's on purpose. That server is on limited bandwidth and since I put the games back up over the weekend, it chewed through my bandwidth very quickly. So, they are there, and available, but not for you or anyone else just now. ?When my bandwidth resets I'll make them available again. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip to lose weight: First turn your head to the left, then to the right. Repeat this exercise every time you are offered something to eat. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 2:35 PM, enes wrote: hi, seems that raul's recordings are down I get an ftp error when trying to visit http://asmodean.net/games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
Hi Raul, could you maybe explain bandwith to me, is it because your connection is dile-up that it keeps timing out? Wouldn't it work better if you put the files on dropbox? Just wanted to know :). from Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, none taken. I'll have them up just as soon as I can. I'm looking at getting unlimited bandwidth for asmodean.net right now. Take care. -- Raul A. Gallegos You've cat to be kitten me right meow. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 4:37 PM, loriduncan wrote: Awww, I was so looking forward to listening to Rawl play pipe2 insane. I actually love all of the recordings, but some of the pipe ones have me in fits, like the one where he keeps losing, sorry Raul, no offence, but it made me smile. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, it's on purpose. That server is on limited bandwidth and since I put the games back up over the weekend, it chewed through my bandwidth very quickly. So, they are there, and available, but not for you or anyone else just now. ?When my bandwidth resets I'll make them available again. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip to lose weight: First turn your head to the left, then to the right. Repeat this exercise every time you are offered something to eat. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 2:35 PM, enes wrote: hi, seems that raul's recordings are down I get an ftp error when trying to visit http://asmodean.net/games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again
Hi, no, the bandwidth is the limits of the web hosting company I use for my domain. I haven't used dialup in well over 7 years, and even then it was because the wireless in the hotel I was staying at was so slow that I could have gotten out and pushed for faster results. In any case, dropbox would probably be faster, but I haven't shared those links with folks because I put them up on my server space instead. Send me a private email or skype chat and tell me what you want and I'll see what I can do. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 4:53 PM, loriduncan wrote: Hi Raul, could you maybe explain bandwith to me, is it because your connection is dile-up that it keeps timing out? Wouldn't it work better if you put the files on dropbox? Just wanted to know :). from Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, none taken. I'll have them up just as soon as I can. I'm looking at getting unlimited bandwidth for asmodean.net right now. Take care. -- Raul A. Gallegos You've cat to be kitten me right meow. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 4:37 PM, loriduncan wrote: Awww, I was so looking forward to listening to Rawl play pipe2 insane. I actually love all of the recordings, but some of the pipe ones have me in fits, like the one where he keeps losing, sorry Raul, no offence, but it made me smile. From Lori. -Original Message- From: Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:29 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] raul's recordings down again Hi, it's on purpose. That server is on limited bandwidth and since I put the games back up over the weekend, it chewed through my bandwidth very quickly. So, they are there, and available, but not for you or anyone else just now. ?When my bandwidth resets I'll make them available again. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip to lose weight: First turn your head to the left, then to the right. Repeat this exercise every time you are offered something to eat. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 2:35 PM, enes wrote: hi, seems that raul's recordings are down I get an ftp error when trying to visit http://asmodean.net/games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Well, Thomas. Jim Kitchen has some real good free audio games. I don't mean to say that all should give us free games. I should have cleared that up. However yes I agree that we all need better attitudes about this whole thing. I apologize for any miss understanding. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Audiogames with trains.
Hi. I'd like to know if there are any games concerning trains. There used to be a train simulation game in the past which I would really appreciate if someone could remind me of its name, or maybe give me its link, if it can be played in Windows 7 64. Of course, any other accessible game suggestions are really welcome, since I'm a fan of trains. Thanks in advance. Eleni --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] top speed three
Hi, Does she have a lot of other tracks installed as well? there's a limit on how many you can have. I believe it's 50. I never liked that limit. I always felt that it could have been raised to at least a hundred. there are a lot of great cars and tracks that I've wanted to try, but never have because of the fact that the game can't recognize all the ones that are installed. On 4/23/13, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: My girl friend has this game on her windows xp and, is having problems with her track that I helped her make but, it is not showing up with in the game. She has it saved under c:\program files\playinginthedark\topspeed3\track. She also has her wave file in the same location. I even had her drop box me a copy of her trk file to make sure it was right. And, it looks like mine and, mine works fine. -- Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames with trains.
Hi Eleni, As far as I know there was only one audio game project dealing with trains, but it was poorly written in AutoIt and I don't think the project is available any more for download. I can't exactly remember the name of the game, but I'm sure if someone has it they can Dropbox it to you. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Eleni eleni...@cytanet.com.cy wrote: Hi. I'd like to know if there are any games concerning trains. There used to be a train simulation game in the past which I would really appreciate if someone could remind me of its name, or maybe give me its link, if it can be played in Windows 7 64. Of course, any other accessible game suggestions are really welcome, since I'm a fan of trains. Thanks in advance. Eleni --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames with trains.
Thank you very much for your answer Thomas. I had that on my xp laptop. Unfortunately, I've lost many setup files and other stuff. That game had very nice sounds, but my laptop died during the days I was trying to discover how that game was played. Anyway. Let's hope someone has the setup. :) Thanks again. Eleni -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames with trains. Hi Eleni, As far as I know there was only one audio game project dealing with trains, but it was poorly written in AutoIt and I don't think the project is available any more for download. I can't exactly remember the name of the game, but I'm sure if someone has it they can Dropbox it to you. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Eleni eleni...@cytanet.com.cy wrote: Hi. I'd like to know if there are any games concerning trains. There used to be a train simulation game in the past which I would really appreciate if someone could remind me of its name, or maybe give me its link, if it can be played in Windows 7 64. Of course, any other accessible game suggestions are really welcome, since I'm a fan of trains. Thanks in advance. Eleni --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Audiogames with trains.
Hi there, If I remember aright, the game is called Spoor Sim? I have it installed, but I do not have the set-up file. If I did I could send it over right now. Best wishes, -Alfredo --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] top speed three
She only has one. She just got the game today and, I was teaching her some stuff about the game. Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert On 4/23/2013 6:00 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: Hi, Does she have a lot of other tracks installed as well? there's a limit on how many you can have. I believe it's 50. I never liked that limit. I always felt that it could have been raised to at least a hundred. there are a lot of great cars and tracks that I've wanted to try, but never have because of the fact that the game can't recognize all the ones that are installed. On 4/23/13, Curt Taubert curttaub...@bellsouth.net wrote: My girl friend has this game on her windows xp and, is having problems with her track that I helped her make but, it is not showing up with in the game. She has it saved under c:\program files\playinginthedark\topspeed3\track. She also has her wave file in the same location. I even had her drop box me a copy of her trk file to make sure it was right. And, it looks like mine and, mine works fine. -- Curt Taubert skype: curt_taubert twitter: curt78Curt Taubert --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never taken any money for any of my games is because I can not afford to. You know if I got any money for my games it would then lower my food stamps, raise my rent, maybe kick me off of my medical insurance and stuff like that. Not to mention just all of the hassle of reporting it all the time. And if somehow I released a game that really sold good and I made a whole bunch of money in one quarter, I might even get kicked off of disability income. And that was not easy to get back on to after the last time that I had a job and went off of it. Oh yeah, and I think that a hobby is more fun than a job. BFN Jim There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames
It's a real shame when you cannot afford to try to better yourself. Although the government claims to want you to get a job and work, you find that you are worse off if you do, thanks to the elimination of necessary benefits such as health care, food stamps and so on. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never taken any money for any of my games is because I can not afford to. You know if I got any money for my games it would then lower my food stamps, raise my rent, maybe kick me off of my medical insurance and stuff like that. Not to mention just all of the hassle of reporting it all the time. And if somehow I released a game that really sold good and I made a whole bunch of money in one quarter, I might even get kicked off of disability income. And that was not easy to get back on to after the last time that I had a job and went off of it. Oh yeah, and I think that a hobby is more fun than a job. BFN Jim There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames
And there's always a chance that you could then get into trouble for using Homer Simpson sounds in your games. And as someone who recently had to pawn all his Simpsons DVD's due to his x's frightening financial irresponsibility and wasn't able to pay to recover them, these games are the only thing that prevents me from going into complete Simpsons withdrawal. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Jim Kitchen Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:15 PM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never taken any money for any of my games is because I can not afford to. You know if I got any money for my games it would then lower my food stamps, raise my rent, maybe kick me off of my medical insurance and stuff like that. Not to mention just all of the hassle of reporting it all the time. And if somehow I released a game that really sold good and I made a whole bunch of money in one quarter, I might even get kicked off of disability income. And that was not easy to get back on to after the last time that I had a job and went off of it. Oh yeah, and I think that a hobby is more fun than a job. BFN Jim There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games
Tom, I agree with 95% of your post below. Developing games isn't a walk in the park, financial or otherwise. But there is one comment you made that I want to underscore. Developing high quality games costs lots of money. Far more money than the average blind American collects from SSI checks each month. Absolutely true, which is a great incentive for blind people to get jobs. Ryan -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 2:47 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSC Games --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Bryan, I don't want to get too far afield, but a store refusing to help you shop is in direct violation of the ADA. I'm not saying that a lawsuit is the best or even a good option, but I can understand their anger. As for games, the sighted public has just as much of an entitlement complex. We just don't see it because we're not in the thick of it. Try logging onto any torrent site, though, and see what you find there. I guarantee you'll be amazed--or maybe you won't. Ryan -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames Quite frankly this entitlement view is why I don't have much respect for many blind folks in general, and it's not ust to do with games. I get so mad when I hear people talk about ow they won't participate in an activity unless there's a discount because of blindness. THese are often the same people who'll threaten to sue a store employee if they refuse to help them shop regardless of the reasons for that refusal. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames
I'm in the same boat. I know that even if I could manage to get a job I would lose my benefits right away, not in the reasonable time frame they advertise when they try to get you to apply. And Joke Rehab as I like to call it is remarkably blasé about it. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:27 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames It's a real shame when you cannot afford to try to better yourself. Although the government claims to want you to get a job and work, you find that you are worse off if you do, thanks to the elimination of necessary benefits such as health care, food stamps and so on. -- If guns kill people, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never taken any money for any of my games is because I can not afford to. You know if I got any money for my games it would then lower my food stamps, raise my rent, maybe kick me off of my medical insurance and stuff like that. Not to mention just all of the hassle of reporting it all the time. And if somehow I released a game that really sold good and I made a whole bunch of money in one quarter, I might even get kicked off of disability income. And that was not easy to get back on to after the last time that I had a job and went off of it. Oh yeah, and I think that a hobby is more fun than a job. BFN Jim There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement About BSCGames
Hi Jim, Oh, I hear you there. That's definitely one of the hassles with developing games for the blind. Even those of us who do make and sell games there isn't a lot of money to make off of it. If the person happens to be living on public assistance such as food stamps, SSI, etc anything he or she makes ends up having to be reported to the government for tax purposes and the government turns around and slices off a good chunk of his/her disability benefits to make up for the money made on said game. I could go on and on about how many blind people who have tried to get part time jobs etc and slowly work their way off of public assistance only to end up in worse shape than before. So its not really worth selling games unless a person has some other means of supporting themselves besides audio games that's for sure. Cheers! On 4/23/13, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never taken any money for any of my games is because I can not afford to. You know if I got any money for my games it would then lower my food stamps, raise my rent, maybe kick me off of my medical insurance and stuff like that. Not to mention just all of the hassle of reporting it all the time. And if somehow I released a game that really sold good and I made a whole bunch of money in one quarter, I might even get kicked off of disability income. And that was not easy to get back on to after the last time that I had a job and went off of it. Oh yeah, and I think that a hobby is more fun than a job. BFN Jim There is a very fine line between hobby and mental illness. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] treasuremania1
Thanks Dark and beware the grew, grin love that tag. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] treasuremania1 Hi lisa. the manual can be found in the program group on the menue as normal, or by going into the program folder and finding the readme text file. If I remember rightly, to use a turbo you use ctrl with up and down arrow when using your hook, though it has been a while since I played the game so i could be wrong on this. hth. All the best, Dark. - Original Message - From: Lisa Hayes lhay...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:59 PM Subject: [Audyssey] treasuremania1 HI all was wondering i am playing and loving treasuremania1 and wonder if someone can remind me how to use the terbos nd how to access the manual lightt tech interactive put this game out. Thanks. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
