Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
I also aggree, I would give justin a chance, as long as he didn't do it again. now if he did do it then there would be a problem unless his stuff was good enough that I would put up with whatever badness he had after all we are only human. In fact I think justin is getting treated quite well here though maybe because a lot of us were there in the beginning. we have seen the wars the highs and the lows, and for the most part unless a dev really went out of line I think for the most part we are happy to get along. on the audiogames forum, there has been a lets bash justin thread going on. And I also aggree with that, justin deserves to get flamed to death!. However he isn't at least on here which means that in spite of his obvious madness he is still worth something to some of us. what can I say we try to take care of our own, we are small. At 10:03 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom. I do agree on that score, and were justin to come back and start developement i would give him the reasonable bennifit of the doubt, heck, I've always found bsc very good with key replacements and the like in the past, and if we! were to miss out on any future work he does, we'd! be the ones shooting ourselves in the foot to use charles' phrase. that being said, even if you like someone's work, you can dislike some of their actions, which is my current feeling regarding Justin, and I do confess this might cause me to scrutanize any prices of future games and any security systems he includes very carefully if he were! to develope in the future. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think it would be good in general if devs in general followed aprone and included people in game development on a wider community level. I realise this is not smooth sailing, you will be open to the flack, the whiners complainers and flamers. but also the good people, that is what swamp became, to the point, where whenever I even go and chat on the swamp forum I can imagine myself in the safe zone chatting. now if a community project can get you to imagine parts of the game out side of it in sertain situations you are going to success. At 10:07 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Michael. i disagree about making free games. charging for a game is not! a put down, since developers do need to perchice their sounds and music. What a company like bavisoft would need would be good customer service, talking to their customers, and obviously to have a good game to sell free or not. ditto with justin. As I said, i wouldn't reffuse to buy any games, such a decision would be silly, but I will say I would likely not be as generous in considdering how much money I wanted to spend on a future recalling justin's motivation over this business, ditto with bavisoft. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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aggree with you michael. I think this will be making some major shakeups in the industry. hmph a few months ago I commented how boring crappy and non moving the industry was, its ertainly looking like something is going to move. At 03:01 AM 4/24/2013, you wrote: What a fascinating can of worms Justin's decision has opened for us. Like many of you, I personally dislike when companies whose software has run its commercial cycle remove it from the world rather than make it freely available. It does leave a bad taste in the mouth. However, I too have experienced how quick Justin was at replacing lost keys. Same with GMA Games who also use keys tighed to the computer the game is installed on. The only point at which hardware generated keys really become a major issue is when situations like what's happening now occur and developers no longer make replacements available. I can't help but resent that. I don't have $75 to spare. Nor should I need to spend that to keep playing Pipe2 and Troopanum2, the two games that most appealed to me and that I legally purchased. I'm not about to rule out buying games which use hardware keys to secure them. However, this incident will definitely come to mind and make me think twice much as what happened when James North pulled the plug gives me pause regarding pre-ordering a game which has yet to be finished. While it's perfectly fare to keep in mind what's happened here if Justin ever decided to develop future games, it isn't fare to dishonour his wishes and spread keys and such around. That's crossing an important line of trust. We don't know what conditions are attached to the licenses of components used in his games. For instance, there may be conditions related to the sounds or voice acting he used which prohibit him from giving away the games. It could be any number of things. It's unreasonable to expect developers to support their games forever. However, I also very much wish they didn't have this idea that they could basically cut off one's ownership of a fairly purchased game. On 4/23/13, ryan rperd...@triad.rr.com wrote: Know one ever has to make there games free. It's there choice and who knows, they may resurrect them or parts of them some day. I agree with Charles On 4/23/2013 1:51 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam http://www.thedam.org 2011-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
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hmmm now where idd that quote come from raul sounds familiar. At 06:34 AM 4/24/2013, you wrote: Hi, I don't think he's in it for the profits. But one will believe what one thinks is right of course. No matter how much this horse is beat to death, no one will come to a complete agreement for that is the nature of man. Oh, and to be politically correct, of woman too. -- Raul A. Gallegos I'm so good at sleeping, I can do it with my eyes closed..Bazinga! aahaa - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/22/2013 6:51 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree Michael. This was my problem all along, not that justin wasn't! giving his games away, but that he would make them unobtainable. Heck, i wouldn't mind too much if he continued to sell the keygenerator and other software, even on request, just so long as it were available to posterity. This is not to do with anyting about wanting free games, as Tom has explained game developement is a costly business, but simply maintaining availability and not seeing classics fade into dust. It is not just in the matter of example games though. something like terraformers, was a truly staggering project in it's audio landscape and design, and while rather short is still worth anyone's time to play. i'd also argue the same about pipe 2 and maybe troopanum, though pipe 2 was the game that really grabbed my attention and is the one I play most. For an arcade title it's one of the best designed I've seen and I'd urge anyone to take a look. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Is this the company that made troopanum? That was the first, and most memorable audio game I played. I had the Demos of like all his games Sent from my iPod On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well he really has shot himself in the foot by doing this. I won't post anything publically but still it would have been nice if i could have done so. At 11:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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This attitude, which I've seen repeatedly in these threads, has convinced me as a developer to use always-on DRM for every product I release. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well he really has shot himself in the foot by doing this. I won't post anything publically but still it would have been nice if i could have done so. At 11:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Seriously? I mean really?! ;) While I personally may not agree with the way this is going down so far, it's statements like these which really amaze me! Regardless of what you, I or anyone else think of how someone chooses to run their company (or what's left of it) it's their business. They owe you nothing, they owe me nothing, they owe this community nothing! Sure, it would be really nice if Justin chose to allow a site like Audyssey to host the BSC games legally after the business dissolves, but to act as if he owes any of us an apology is quite a lot to ask, don't you think? This is why I keep harping on what we expect of developers? I mean come on! SeriouslY? Again, I ask, why would anyone want to involve themselves in a community of people who in essence treat them like indentured servants?… Would you want to be treated this way? Wouldn't you want a group of people to show you understanding even if they didn't agree with you? I think you would… We want sighted people to cut us some slack and be understanding if they don't understand our needs, so why in the world aren't we showing this kind of behavior to our own?… This just can't be that difficult to see and understand… We're all intelligent, aware people here. Why not show that aspect of ourselves. YOu'd be surprised how it can turn situations and people around… :) -Just my thoughts… Thanks for your note and have a totally awesome night / day (whenever ya get this) Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:48 PM, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes I think thats taking things just a tad too far. At 03:51 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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and dumping on your customers like james north did is a very very good way to lose friends. He hated it when I kept finding show stoppers, that's geek speak for bugs that crash the software. At 02:34 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I aggree with you there tom, I suspect that he was on verge of burnout and quit before he flamed himself tooblivian oblivian. bavisoft had nill communication with anyone and were sloppy. Esp and james north. well he was fine with espsoftworks never should have sold it because he was really making it good. it was after he switched to alchemy that things went south for him. Ofcause he probably burned out but no one really thought about burning your match or your candle like we do now and well simply put he smoked. The way he went was not good but he probably was burning long before that. Ofcause until the industry gets some real gamers from the sighted world interested and maybe more companies, devs, funds, etc progress will be slow. We have progressed to one phase rapid groth, but it wouldn't supprise me if we stayed where we are for a time till we spurted up again. At 04:16 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at home and work his support and development began to drop off and understandably so. However, unlike Bavisoft he explained exactly why he hasn't been as involved in developing games and why he hasn't been getting back to people as he should which I think goes to show he is not a dishonest person. I may not agree with the way he is handling this business with closing, but I don't think he is greedy, dishonest, or a crooked person. In fact, allowing people to buy his key generator before he closes at least gives people some chance to get his games and software before the site is gone for good. With Bavisoft let's face it. They never respond to email, there site has gone down a few times without explanation, people have had problems receiving their orders, and when you ask why Bavisoft doesn't respond. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible as a company and has made no effort to redeem themselves what so ever. I understand if they have had issues with work and family, but some explanation should have been in order so we would at least understand why Bavisoft has fallen off the face of the Earth. Instead we get nothing. Point being is if Justin were ever to come back, which I don't think he will, but if he did I think there would be several people who would trust him because of the years of service and support he gave up until now.. Surely that counts for something in the eyes of this community. Comparing Justin to Bavisoft isn't really fair in his case. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's, screwing their users over, by forcing them to buy a new version, simply for use on another machine. that's just sad, really. I to, understand why its being done, but its limiting the audio games industry, even more then it is by being the audio gaming industry! LOL I mean, think about it. as limiting, and hard nosed as the apple world is, do you see them saying, nope, if you have two iPhone's and an iPad, you'll have to buy the app for each one? ... no. they let you buy it once, and then you can use it for ever more, on any device you get. well, within the 10 device limit, or what ever it is. and I mean, come on. who's going to have 5 iPhone's and 5 iPad's. ahaha. except somebody who's rich, in which case they can afford to have a separate account for each, and buy it for each anyway's. ehehe so yeah. I'm very hesitant to buy games that are limited to my current laptop. as I simply won't have this for ever. and I hope not, to. its only a netbook. LOL. so when I upgrade to a full notebook again, I'd have to buy new keys for that machine! no thanks. Regards: Dallas On 23/04/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well it depends on the dev. mr-y and gma will just give you codes. At 09:09 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom, Its not only that, but the simple fact is, hardware based registration, is something I've only seen in this community! nowhere else, have I seen game dev's, nor even just app dev's, screwing their users over, by forcing them to buy a new version, simply for use on another machine. that's just sad, really. I to, understand why its being done, but its limiting the audio games industry, even more then it is by being the audio gaming industry! LOL I mean, think about it. as limiting, and hard nosed as the apple world is, do you see them saying, nope, if you have two iPhone's and an iPad, you'll have to buy the app for each one? ... no. they let you buy it once, and then you can use it for ever more, on any device you get. well, within the 10 device limit, or what ever it is. and I mean, come on. who's going to have 5 iPhone's and 5 iPad's. ahaha. except somebody who's rich, in which case they can afford to have a separate account for each, and buy it for each anyway's. ehehe so yeah. I'm very hesitant to buy games that are limited to my current laptop. as I simply won't have this for ever. and I hope not, to. its only a netbook. LOL. so when I upgrade to a full notebook again, I'd have to buy new keys for that machine! no thanks. Regards: Dallas On 23/04/2013, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. I do agree on that score, and were justin to come back and start developement i would give him the reasonable bennifit of the doubt, heck, I've always found bsc very good with key replacements and the like in the past, and if we! were to miss out on any future work he does, we'd! be the ones shooting ourselves in the foot to use charles' phrase. that being said, even if you like someone's work, you can dislike some of their actions, which is my current feeling regarding Justin, and I do confess this might cause me to scrutanize any prices of future games and any security systems he includes very carefully if he were! to develope in the future. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael. i disagree about making free games. charging for a game is not! a put down, since developers do need to perchice their sounds and music. What a company like bavisoft would need would be good customer service, talking to their customers, and obviously to have a good game to sell free or not. ditto with justin. As I said, i wouldn't reffuse to buy any games, such a decision would be silly, but I will say I would likely not be as generous in considdering how much money I wanted to spend on a future recalling justin's motivation over this business, ditto with bavisoft. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Know one ever has to make there games free. It's there choice and who knows, they may resurrect them or parts of them some day. I agree with Charles On 4/23/2013 1:51 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What a fascinating can of worms Justin's decision has opened for us. Like many of you, I personally dislike when companies whose software has run its commercial cycle remove it from the world rather than make it freely available. It does leave a bad taste in the mouth. However, I too have experienced how quick Justin was at replacing lost keys. Same with GMA Games who also use keys tighed to the computer the game is installed on. The only point at which hardware generated keys really become a major issue is when situations like what's happening now occur and developers no longer make replacements available. I can't help but resent that. I don't have $75 to spare. Nor should I need to spend that to keep playing Pipe2 and Troopanum2, the two games that most appealed to me and that I legally purchased. I'm not about to rule out buying games which use hardware keys to secure them. However, this incident will definitely come to mind and make me think twice much as what happened when James North pulled the plug gives me pause regarding pre-ordering a game which has yet to be finished. While it's perfectly fare to keep in mind what's happened here if Justin ever decided to develop future games, it isn't fare to dishonour his wishes and spread keys and such around. That's crossing an important line of trust. We don't know what conditions are attached to the licenses of components used in his games. For instance, there may be conditions related to the sounds or voice acting he used which prohibit him from giving away the games. It could be any number of things. It's unreasonable to expect developers to support their games forever. However, I also very much wish they didn't have this idea that they could basically cut off one's ownership of a fairly purchased game. On 4/23/13, ryan rperd...@triad.rr.com wrote: Know one ever has to make there games free. It's there choice and who knows, they may resurrect them or parts of them some day. I agree with Charles On 4/23/2013 1:51 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam http://www.thedam.org 2011-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
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The point is that you should not demand that games be free. That is a selfish and childish demand. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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If I think a game's worth paying for I'll pay for it. And if I don't have the money right at first I'll save up and pay for it later. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The point is that you should not demand that games be free. That is a selfish and childish demand. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Well, I have seen some pretty good free games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello Thank you for telling us that info. That realy does stink, but I know that the other developers will do great like they have been, and there are still up coming developers to that can learn from this, and make there owne mark in the gaming world. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hI there Very well put, but people will do that anyway no matter the price. The only thing that stinks is that I don't get all that much a month and all my money gos to rent and my wife olny works a parttime job right now, and we have 2 kids to wary about to. So I don't think that I'll be abel to get the money up in time. Witch means that I'll never get the opotunity to play any of those games or lots of other people ether. Bfn James --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I don't think he's in it for the profits. But one will believe what one thinks is right of course. No matter how much this horse is beat to death, no one will come to a complete agreement for that is the nature of man. Oh, and to be politically correct, of woman too. -- Raul A. Gallegos I'm so good at sleeping, I can do it with my eyes closed..Bazinga! aahaa - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/22/2013 6:51 PM, Bryan Peterson wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, if you are referring to BSC games and free games, they did in fact have a couple of free games out there. So, I fail to see the point of your message. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 1:37 PM, michael barnes wrote: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Lets be clear about things here folks. I think there's danger of a mix-up here. A developer who creates free games is being generous. We're not entitled to them. They're gifts to the community. The real issue currently under scrutiny is whether it's fare of developers to simply remove their games from the market and make it impossible to obtain legal copies. I think it's clearly lawful for Justin to do what he's doing. They're his intellectual property and as long as he meets any obligations owed his current customers, I can't fault him. I personally don't feel that I, a legitimate owner of his products, should have to pay for keys needed after he closes his business. However, that's a moral obligation that I feel is not being met rather than a legal one. The only way he would fail to meet legal obligations was if he promised in his software licences that he'd provide such keys forever. I haven't read the full license but very much doubt it would say this. The selection of games blind people have access to is still incredibly small when compared to what sighted people have. For this reason, I hope that developers will leave their creations freely obtainable once they've become commercially unviable. This adds to the library of example games which people may try which will wet their appetites for new games from currently active developers It also increases the freely available examples of accessible games which interested sighted people can try without having to purchase anything. On 4/23/13, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi, if you are referring to BSC games and free games, they did in fact have a couple of free games out there. So, I fail to see the point of your message. -- Raul A. Gallegos Last night I had a crazy dream that I weighed less than a thousandth of a gram. I was like, 0mg! - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 4/23/2013 1:37 PM, michael barnes wrote: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- Michael Feir Volunteer at The Dam http://www.thedam.org 2011-- Twitter: mfeir Skype: michael-feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/personal-power.html A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://michaelfeir.blogspot.com/2009/01/life-of-word-and-sound.html Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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there is two programs that juston had on his site and i have them both one is talking clock and the other one is day by day both are great programs. your friend lee In a message dated 4/23/2013 2:38:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, c...@samobile.net writes: Yes, I agree that a developer does not have to make his or her game free. All I was saying was with the way some of these developers do it would be nice of them to give out a free game or two to show that they want purchasers for their products. Myself If a game has a good storyline to it, and has great sounds then I would buy it. That is why I bought Phil Valasak games and David Greenwood games. I know that when I do business with people like those two guys, I know that I always got great support! However if Justin or/and Bavisoft was to come back with a new game and the game sounded pretty good I would buy it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thanks for letting us know, Tom. It's a shame that these will be lost, but I'm looking forward to what's coming in the future. We won't have a shortage, that's for sure. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I do not like to criticise someone's lack for humanity, but I personally do not believe in copyright, yet I have to abide with it because our government chose to. Perhaps someone in another country could take over the project? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Agreed. I might not be so angry if we'd had a larger window to insure that more people would be able to purchase it. I myself would love to be able to istall BSC's games on a new computer whenI get one, as I inevitably will sooner or later. As it is it looks as though I'm not going to. But thou must! -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:22 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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We can't since he wants to maintain intelectual copyright and whatnot. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Alfredo's Laptop computer Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:24 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games I do not like to criticise someone's lack for humanity, but I personally do not believe in copyright, yet I have to abide with it because our government chose to. Perhaps someone in another country could take over the project? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Tom. the position of audiogames.net is the same, indeed some of the few occasions members have been banned from the forum is for redistributing pirated material. I do not agree with Justin's decision as I said, and I do confess that if it weren't! for the strict policy on audigames.net I'd be tempted to host the pack myself, but unfortunately this is a case where justin's selfishness is supported by law, and since as Tom said we don't want to support pirates, also by the rules we've established for community. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Oh I wouldn't expect Audyssey or audiogames.net to condone piracy, eve under these circumstances. I just hope Justin realizes what he could be letting himself in for is all. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:33 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hello Thomas and list. This is a very shocking news to hear. this means that new users will not be able to play the bsc games if they want to. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Alfredo, Doubt it. Copyright law is pretty much universal and most countries support each other on the issue of intellectual copyrights. Those that don't are looked down upon by the greater business community, and even if someone did take over the project illegally we would have to support Justin's policy since that is the legal course of action here in the USA. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Alfredo's Laptop computer birdlover2...@hotmail.com wrote: I do not like to criticise someone's lack for humanity, but I personally do not believe in copyright, yet I have to abide with it because our government chose to. Perhaps someone in another country could take over the project? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Sky, That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the $75 pack he is selling up until May 15 after that the games and software from Blindsoftware.com will no longer be available via legal means. Of course, I suspect before spring has ended pirated copies will be all over the web. That's just the way these things goes. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca wrote: Hello Thomas and list. This is a very shocking news to hear. this means that new users will not be able to play the bsc games if they want to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Very well said, Dark. You pretty much took the words out of my mouth on all points. If you're abandoning your company, your games, all your hard work, the least you should do is allow that legacy to be passed on so that future gamers could enjoy what were, frankly, some of the building blocks of the audio games community. Why rip the foundation out of an already unstable structure? On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
Hi Dark and all, Just remember it could be a lot worse. Justin didn't have to sell his key generator. He could have done what many shareware companies have done which is simply put a notice on his site saying, we are closed, we no longer offer key replacements, and if you don't like it tough luck. He didn't do that, and he at least gave someone an opportunity to obtain the games and the key generator legally which is more than I could say about some software companies that have gone out of business. Fact of the matter is we can go on and on all day about what Justin should've, would've, or could've done but its not going to change a thing. Cheers! On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! At 09:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that! a pitty. oh well, its just going to have to be non public. you are right though there are other devs, and while these are classics, I guess the only thing we can do is buy the keygen or as many of us can do it. we will have to just remake bits as we go later maybe sigh At 11:23 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games
well he really has shot himself in the foot by doing this. I won't post anything publically but still it would have been nice if i could have done so. At 11:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well they won't exactly be lost charles, but its better to legally be able to get them publically. At 11:55 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Thanks for letting us know, Tom. It's a shame that these will be lost, but I'm looking forward to what's coming in the future. We won't have a shortage, that's for sure. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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It's especiall sad since Justin's always been a reasonable guy. I may not agree with this current decision but I still have respect for the workJustin did. And he did pick me as a voice actor for Castle Quest before the project got scrapped. And as I recall he had some pretty igh standards for that. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:28 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that! a pitty. oh well, its just going to have to be non public. you are right though there are other devs, and while these are classics, I guess the only thing we can do is buy the keygen or as many of us can do it. we will have to just remake bits as we go later maybe sigh At 11:23 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well as far as I care they will not be lost and I will make any effort to make sure that if its asked I will deliver. I will respect justin by not publically sharing mass posting, etc. However whatever has posessed him to behave in this prickish manner escapes me. My only thing I can think of is that he has completely and utterly lost all interest. The only good thing though selfish is that he has kept his games, which could mean he may want a chance to return. however I don't know if I would buy from him again after all the crazyness he is causing. ofcause if he comes back well. The only legal thing we can do is to try to produce more games better than his were. At 12:22 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi there. I am in 2 minds about this. What if you've been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and go through all your emails, you see an announcement about BSC games closing down, and then go online to order the games and the keygen for 75 bucks only to discover that the deadline has passed and the games are never to be seen again? If I were justin, I'd still have the $75.00 package up to buy which includes game packs and free software and then after may 17th, after the bsc games site has closed, I would allow people to pass around the keygen and the game packs as they please. However, I would keep the licensing restrictions in place regarding copyright, IE, you can't steel the code or sounds or try to decrypt the soundpack and use it in your own material. At 09:23 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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ofcause tom, its a pitty the classics can't go public as they should be, now we will have to trade out of back allys, its unfitting. At 12:33 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Way to shoot yourself in the foot! At 10:49 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Sky, That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the $75 pack he is selling up until May 15 after that the games and software from Blindsoftware.com will no longer be available via legal means. Of course, I suspect before spring has ended pirated copies will be all over the web. That's just the way these things goes. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca wrote: Hello Thomas and list. This is a very shocking news to hear. this means that new users will not be able to play the bsc games if they want to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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so do I, I have backed up the pack for myself, privately well its another story but people will need to mail offlist. I will respect justin by not publically putting links on forums and lists still I do think its rotten. if he comes back, I don't know if people would buy from him after this, he must be mad! At 12:37 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Oh I wouldn't expect Audyssey or audiogames.net to condone piracy, eve under these circumstances. I just hope Justin realizes what he could be letting himself in for is all. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:33 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well we have no choice really now justin has made things clear. I have it backed up, but still it just doesn't sit right with me. How one of the main devs should turn so fast on us. At 12:49 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Sky, That's basically the size of it. Unless you have the money for the $75 pack he is selling up until May 15 after that the games and software from Blindsoftware.com will no longer be available via legal means. Of course, I suspect before spring has ended pirated copies will be all over the web. That's just the way these things goes. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Sky Mundell s...@shaw.ca wrote: Hello Thomas and list. This is a very shocking news to hear. this means that new users will not be able to play the bsc games if they want to. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well the only thing we can do is buy as much as we can now. ofcause there is the offlist trading thing, but it would have been nice to recognise things legally and officially. At 12:59 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark and all, Just remember it could be a lot worse. Justin didn't have to sell his key generator. He could have done what many shareware companies have done which is simply put a notice on his site saying, we are closed, we no longer offer key replacements, and if you don't like it tough luck. He didn't do that, and he at least gave someone an opportunity to obtain the games and the key generator legally which is more than I could say about some software companies that have gone out of business. Fact of the matter is we can go on and on all day about what Justin should've, would've, or could've done but its not going to change a thing. Cheers! On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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You wouldn't be so blase about it if you'd been on a 3 week holiday and returned from your little adventure on June 1 only to hear about BSC closing down and the missed opportunity you had to get the games and keygen. At 10:59 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark and all, Just remember it could be a lot worse. Justin didn't have to sell his key generator. He could have done what many shareware companies have done which is simply put a notice on his site saying, we are closed, we no longer offer key replacements, and if you don't like it tough luck. He didn't do that, and he at least gave someone an opportunity to obtain the games and the key generator legally which is more than I could say about some software companies that have gone out of business. Fact of the matter is we can go on and on all day about what Justin should've, would've, or could've done but its not going to change a thing. Cheers! On 4/22/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's extremely sad, and I'm disappointed in this selfish decision by justin which will deny his work to everyone after he closes down. If, later this year or next year someone asks, (and they will), to play the bsc games, and another person distributes them, while illegal (and audiogames.net will not allow such), I could not fault that second individuals actions from any ethical standpoint, since they are hardly taking prophit away from justin if the games are no longer on sale at that stage. As I said, this just feels as if he is trying to make a quick buck out of closing down, rather than considdering the future and devoting the work he's done to posterity, I'm sorry one of our long term developers is behaving in such a short sighted and self centered manner, especially one whome the community has supported over such a long period and who was so instrumental to audio game developement. when so few audio games are available anyway, to have our own developers actively deny availability like this is sickening. Either justin should make the games abandonware, or he should keep selling them, perhaps in form of this pack. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I do to, and I am sure what was posted is not the full story about how justin turned zombie. At 01:33 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: It's especiall sad since Justin's always been a reasonable guy. I may not agree with this current decision but I still have respect for the workJustin did. And he did pick me as a voice actor for Castle Quest before the project got scrapped. And as I recall he had some pretty igh standards for that. But thou must! -Original Message- From: shaun everiss Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:28 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games well this looks like that at least publically thats the end of that! a pitty. oh well, its just going to have to be non public. you are right though there are other devs, and while these are classics, I guess the only thing we can do is buy the keygen or as many of us can do it. we will have to just remake bits as we go later maybe sigh At 11:23 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Steven, Regarding the sounds and music remember that there are other parties involved. If a developer like Justin buys the sounds and music from a place like Sound Ideas he can not legally transfer ownership or distribution rights to another party unless they also license them from Sound Ideas. That's just the way it works when it comes to buying sounds and music so it may be that Justin is honoring his legal agreement with the original copyright holder rather than any personal intent to keep them away from the community or a developer. I don't know exactly who he bought them from but it was probably someone like Sound Ideas, Sound Dogs, Shockwave Sound, etc and if you could figure out where he got them you could buy the same sounds and music yourself. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net wrote: What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Justin owns the software, and can do with them as he chooses. This includes shooting himself in both feet and possibly leaving a bad taste in the mouths of gamers. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Tom. the position of audiogames.net is the same, indeed some of the few occasions members have been banned from the forum is for redistributing pirated material. I do not agree with Justin's decision as I said, and I do confess that if it weren't! for the strict policy on audigames.net I'd be tempted to host the pack myself, but unfortunately this is a case where justin's selfishness is supported by law, and since as Tom said we don't want to support pirates, also by the rules we've established for community. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Bryan, Sure. Be that as it may I had to ask to make sure Audyssey wasn't committing piracy intentionally or unintentionally. We respect our audio game developers and the last thing we want to do is turn into piracy central, because that will lead to distrust and push even more game developers away from our community. So what people do off list is none of our business, but if people share links, codes, etc on list than that very much is our business and we need to know what the developer's policy is so we can handle it legally. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! At 09:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! At 09:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers
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Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Bryan, Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at home and work his support and development began to drop off and understandably so. However, unlike Bavisoft he explained exactly why he hasn't been as involved in developing games and why he hasn't been getting back to people as he should which I think goes to show he is not a dishonest person. I may not agree with the way he is handling this business with closing, but I don't think he is greedy, dishonest, or a crooked person. In fact, allowing people to buy his key generator before he closes at least gives people some chance to get his games and software before the site is gone for good. With Bavisoft let's face it. They never respond to email, there site has gone down a few times without explanation, people have had problems receiving their orders, and when you ask why Bavisoft doesn't respond. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible as a company and has made no effort to redeem themselves what so ever. I understand if they have had issues with work and family, but some explanation should have been in order so we would at least understand why Bavisoft has fallen off the face of the Earth. Instead we get nothing. Point being is if Justin were ever to come back, which I don't think he will, but if he did I think there would be several people who would trust him because of the years of service and support he gave up until now.. Surely that counts for something in the eyes of this community. Comparing Justin to Bavisoft isn't really fair in his case. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well if he does open again I may buy his games if they are good. never say never. Obviously his offline life has taken over, he may come he may not. Depending what things go when he comes back will depend on how the industry is as a whole. right now when he comes back he will eventually get something. Though if he comes back with remakes I think people won't buy. it will sertainly be harder for him to get a foot in there at least who knows. At 03:35 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! At 09:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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well at least blindsoftware did have some presence for a bit, podcasts, other guides and other things. I may buy again if he comes back but he will have to offer something which is not the same as he has done in the past. and ofcause when he comes back if more devs are active his place will be filled. At 03:44 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games What a control Freak! So in the nutshell, what justin is saying is this. I'm in charge of the BSC website and blind software! I can do what I want! I can close it down, bring it back up! or pull out of the business as I please, and guess what! I'm gonna be a mean sun of a you-know-what and keep the encryption secrets to myself, so you won't even be able to access my sound pack unless you play the game of course. so There. na na na n naaa. nobody and I repeat nobody is to hand out the keygen program to anyone who hasn't bought it first! if you have been away from your computer and come back after May 17th and were unlucky enough not to hear about the last chance offer to buy my games and keygen program, Then, tough cookies! you've missed the boat. You won't be able to download and play any of my games ever again! They're gone forever! and when I say forever, I mean forever! At 09:51 AM 4/23/2013, you wrote: I suppose it's a good thing he's closing up shop then. Because it's been my observation that a strict policy like that is a sure fire way to encourage piracy. It does mean that I won't be able to install BSC games on a new computer if and when I get one. Definitely disappointing. And given the fact that most of us are on fixed incomes I didn't expect Justin to bring in many purchases. This could hurt his profits eve more. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:23 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hello everyone, I just finished speaking to Justin, and I thought I owe it to you to tell you were we stand regarding the BSC games. First, there is the issue of licensing. I asked him if he would allow Audyssey.org to purchase the key generator for $75 and issue new keys to people as needed. Unfortunately, he will not allow us to issue new keys, and he has said in effect that if people want new keys for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, whatever that they should purchase the key generator he is selling right now for $75. No exceptions are being made for the licensing of his games. Second, there is the issue of licensing the sounds and music for the games. Justin will not sell those to a third-party developer, nor allow anyone access to the *.bsc pack files containing the sounds. So recreating the games with the original sounds and music is pretty much not possible. Finally, Justin wants to retain his intellectual copyrights for Troopanum, Hunter, Pipe, Deekout, Crazy Darts, etc so redistributing his games or rewriting them is not legal under copyright law. I just thought you should know where we all stand in terms of these games. In summary while I know some of you may feel angry, upset, and perhaps disappointed at this news do remember we still have many other great developers like Draconis, GMA, Jim Kitchen, Blind Adrenaline, to name a few. Hopefully they will continue to write great games, and if we want more games remember there are a number of tools like the BGT toolkit and the Dragon Flame Engine out there to help create new and interesting games. We could even create games as good as if not better than those we are losing with these tools. So try and be positive rather than look at this as a negative experience. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
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I aggree I don't bear a grudge against justin or blindsoftware, his actions are puzzling but nothing more will I buy from him again? it depends what he is selling. if its more of the same I think a lot of us will be telling him to fork himself. some of us had to buy our stuff twice I had already the arcade pack and only really did troop2 1 and pipe1 and bits of 2. A collectors item sure but there will come a time when even that will become bad. Ofcause if he returns in 10 or 20 years it may be different in fact given enough time if bavisoft returned and actually acted peroperly I'd give them a chance. At 03:59 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, I don't hold anything against Justin personally, but after this incident I will not buy from any audio game developer who uses a hardware based key system. While I know the reasons for tighter security, the desire to cut down on piracy, but that does not justify selling someone a game with no way to license it after the developer is gone. If Justin had stuck to a name and key system there would be no need for Justin to sell his key generator and much less all the controversy about him going out of business because a customer could just stick his/her name and key into the registration box and be assured it will work for years to come. As long as you don't lose your reg info a user name and registration key is the most practical way to insure a piece of software can still be used by a customer if a developer is no longer able to offer support for the product. So I'm definitely apposed to hardware specific keys now at least as far as small shareware companies goes. Its one thing if you have a huge corporation like Microsoft and another thing when it is a one or two man operation. With Microsoft if you need a new key for say Windows 8 they might charge you an arm and a leg for it but you can pretty sure the company won't pack up and close their doors tomorrow. With a one or two man operation as we have seen many times they are usually here today and gone tomorrow. Alchemy Game Studios, BSC Games, DanZ Games, etc are cases in point of how temporary one or two man operations can be. So buying a product using a hardware key system is a very questionable prospect in our market. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I will bet that if he decides to reopen his business in the future, even if he comes out with new games, his current actions will drastically cut into sales. I, for one, would be hesitant to purchase from a company based on his current actions. Although he is making the software and key generator available, I would think that, given the fact that most gamers in this community are low income, more time should be given before closing the doors. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I aggree with you there tom, I suspect that he was on verge of burnout and quit before he flamed himself tooblivian oblivian. bavisoft had nill communication with anyone and were sloppy. Esp and james north. well he was fine with espsoftworks never should have sold it because he was really making it good. it was after he switched to alchemy that things went south for him. Ofcause he probably burned out but no one really thought about burning your match or your candle like we do now and well simply put he smoked. The way he went was not good but he probably was burning long before that. Ofcause until the industry gets some real gamers from the sighted world interested and maybe more companies, devs, funds, etc progress will be slow. We have progressed to one phase rapid groth, but it wouldn't supprise me if we stayed where we are for a time till we spurted up again. At 04:16 PM 4/23/2013, you wrote: Hi Bryan, Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at home and work his support and development began to drop off and understandably so. However, unlike Bavisoft he explained exactly why he hasn't been as involved in developing games and why he hasn't been getting back to people as he should which I think goes to show he is not a dishonest person. I may not agree with the way he is handling this business with closing, but I don't think he is greedy, dishonest, or a crooked person. In fact, allowing people to buy his key generator before he closes at least gives people some chance to get his games and software before the site is gone for good. With Bavisoft let's face it. They never respond to email, there site has gone down a few times without explanation, people have had problems receiving their orders, and when you ask why Bavisoft doesn't respond. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible as a company and has made no effort to redeem themselves what so ever. I understand if they have had issues with work and family, but some explanation should have been in order so we would at least understand why Bavisoft has fallen off the face of the Earth. Instead we get nothing. Point being is if Justin were ever to come back, which I don't think he will, but if he did I think there would be several people who would trust him because of the years of service and support he gave up until now.. Surely that counts for something in the eyes of this community. Comparing Justin to Bavisoft isn't really fair in his case. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I agree with all of you. However after the fifthteenth of May if anyone that has the key gen can pass it around off list. All the person would need to do is just say email me off list to talk about the key gen. That's how I myself would do it, so that nobody knows that I am actually giving out the key gen. Once again that is how I would have handle it if I decided to give out a copy of the key gen that I had gotten the other day. By doing this the list stays out of any trouble that Justin could give for this way of giving the software out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thomas. Then what about people like Phil Valasak, and David Greenwood? They make games that are machine base. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I think that he should let someone run the company for him that has time on their hands. Then he could take care of his duties as a family man while his company is being taking care of. I have seen this before with other companies, the person had no time to run the business so they had let someone else run it for them and they paid them for it. When the person who ran the company they would get paid off the sales that the company made, so the owner got paid aswell. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Shawn. I myself are not too upset with Justin. I hope that one day he will come back to the audio gaming world! Maybe when he hears all of this stuff from the list mabye he will take a second look. But if he don't I totally understand. All of you might have wonder why I have not been asking for any help with games in the last couple of months. Well, the reason is because of me being in the ministry. Sometimes it can take your whole time and sometimes you have some free time. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I trust Justin as a person of honesty. The current business decision, and the way it is being done is what I don't like. I suppose that the real bugger is the amount of time given to get the key generator before he closes. Low income people may need more time to get the money together. I would think that at least 60 or even 90 days should have the amount of notice given. JMO. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games Hi Bryan, Well, not quite. Remember Justin was pretty good about sales and support for the early part of his career with BSC Games and Blindsoftware.com. However,once he took on more responsibilities at home and work his support and development began to drop off and understandably so. However, unlike Bavisoft he explained exactly why he hasn't been as involved in developing games and why he hasn't been getting back to people as he should which I think goes to show he is not a dishonest person. I may not agree with the way he is handling this business with closing, but I don't think he is greedy, dishonest, or a crooked person. In fact, allowing people to buy his key generator before he closes at least gives people some chance to get his games and software before the site is gone for good. With Bavisoft let's face it. They never respond to email, there site has gone down a few times without explanation, people have had problems receiving their orders, and when you ask why Bavisoft doesn't respond. They have proven themselves to be totally irresponsible as a company and has made no effort to redeem themselves what so ever. I understand if they have had issues with work and family, but some explanation should have been in order so we would at least understand why Bavisoft has fallen off the face of the Earth. Instead we get nothing. Point being is if Justin were ever to come back, which I don't think he will, but if he did I think there would be several people who would trust him because of the years of service and support he gave up until now.. Surely that counts for something in the eyes of this community. Comparing Justin to Bavisoft isn't really fair in his case. Cheers! On 4/22/13, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Pecisely my view. It would be like Bavisoft sddenly popping back up and releasing Chillingham 2 after basically falling off the face of the eart and ignoring Emails and lost orders. I don't bet anyone would buy from them either. But thou must! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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And now, I'll bet someone or someones will do just that. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games I agree with all of you. However after the fifthteenth of May if anyone that has the key gen can pass it around off list. All the person would need to do is just say email me off list to talk about the key gen. That's how I myself would do it, so that nobody knows that I am actually giving out the key gen. Once again that is how I would have handle it if I decided to give out a copy of the key gen that I had gotten the other day. By doing this the list stays out of any trouble that Justin could give for this way of giving the software out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Good quality games for free? I really doubt it, nor would I demand it or expect it. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] An Announcement Regarding BSC Games The only way that Bavisoft and Justin could get back in our good graces is to make the next few games free and really good. Two show their apology by making their old titles freeware, and to get on the list so we could talk with them. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
