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Hi. The big thing I like better about IE9 over 8 is that it handles downloading a lot better. Starting a download is simpler and you don't have those annoying things where you have to tell it that yes you want to download the file, then reload the page and hit the download link again just to get it to start the download. You just hit enter on the link, then either hit ctrl+j after you hear the notification bar sound to go to the download manager where you can choose what to do with the download or you could just press alt+s to save or alt+r to run. Like when Jeremy releases a new version of swamp I just press enter on the link in the email. IE9 opens and asks me in the information bar, rather than in a pop up dialogue like we're used to, what I want to do. I know of that because of the information bar sound, so I just hit alt+s. If I want to watch what the download is doing, I can hit ctrl+j to open up the download manager similar to Firefox. I can arrow up and down the list of downloads, and when I land on one that's in progress, for some computers jaws actually will read it every now and then when the numbers change, and for others it won't. I haven't figured out what makes the difference but when it does it, it reminds me of Voiceover's interaction with the download manager of Saphari on the mac. So anyway when the download finished, I should be aware of that if I hear the sound that indicates as much, even if I went off reading emails or something instead of watching the numbers. So I can go to the start menu and type dow, short for downloads of course, into the search box and arrow down till I hear downloads. I hit enter there and that opens my user account's downloads folder and, because I have set the sort order to date modified rather than by name, do to the fact that I also have it set to descending sort order, the just downloaded file is at the top of the list, the first item I land on. Now I really like how easy that is. I tried chrome, but I can't find a way to turn off the loading of pictures. So far it looks to me like it's actually pretty darn simplified and non configurable. I must be missing something. I went to options but there's nothing like that in there, nor a way to make it play sounds for page loads and other events like we're used to IE doing. I turn off images because since I can't see them there's absolutely no point what so ever in waiting those extra seconds for them to load. Turning them off results in very noticeable improvements as far as page load time goes. I do miss the status bar though. I managed to turn it on, on my Umid MBook SE, but I don't remember how I did it. Besides, even when on, I don't think it shows the same information as it did in IE8, you know, waiding for page... etc. You know, even though I did mention downloading a game here, I know we're off topic. But you have to admit, when this list gets one of it's frequent off topic threads going, it's usually something good. Really though, it's a pretty in the air question, since there are plenty of games that are played in, and that might be affected by the differences of browsers. Also, regarding the recent discussion of Jim's hardware, that's definitely on topic since gaming is of course affected by what kind of hardware you try to run it on. Speaking of which, my Umid MBook SE turned out to be very amusing as far as a gaming computer goes. At first, it was nasty trying to play swamp until some people on here pointed out that maybe I had graphics mode turned on. I did, even though I can't see at all, no idea how it got turned on. So I turned it off and it worked fine after that. Well sort of. The touch pad is in the lid, just to the right of the screen. You operate it with your thumb, unless you really want to stick your pointer finger out and swipe at it that is. But it's a touch pad, not a trackball or even one of those little rubbery things you slide your finger on like a lot of linovo computers have that people are so happy with because they hate the way touch pads always jump all over the place when they're not trying to use them. Touch pads generally use heat to figure out where you're touching them, and I don't think the one on the Umid MBook SE is an exception. The problem is, your thumb takes up the whole thing. This means it has a hard time perceiving movements of your thumb since it can't really sense heat moving around on it given of course as I said your finger's heat takes up the whole thing anyway. The best way to get it to move around is to kind of swipe at it without actually touching it, about a millimeter away or so. It's funny because if you try touching it, sliding right, then lift your thumb and move back to the left, press your thumb down on it and swipe right again, trying to turn to the right, you actually turn left or just kind of dance around and don't get very far. There are two buttons on the left side of
Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
Hi Valiant8086, Thanks for letting me know that. BFN - Original Message - Hi. I just checked and NVDA seems to work fine with HJ pad also, just FYI. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Hayden, Oh, cool, I didn't know that NVDA could use the sapi5 voices. Thanks for letting me know. Some day I will have to install and check out NVDA. But right now since I wrote my own Email program it reads my Email unattended using the ATT Crystal voice and then throws me into HJ Pad to write my out going Email. And for some reason Jaws works well with HJ Pad. grin And Jaws works fine with the I E version 6 that I am running on my Internet and Email computer. Jaws 4.02 also apparently works well for me on my game development computer in the VB6 IDE as represented by the list of games below. So really other than that Jaws 4.02 doesn't speak automatically for the Atlantic City black jack game, I am very happy with how it does work. The Triple Talk hardware synthesizer can be connected either via USB or serial cable. It has the same speech chip as the Double Talk hardware synthesizer. It is very responsive with Jaws 4.02. And of course it uses almost no system resources as compared to a software synthesizer such as Eloquence. It to me is as responsive as the Accent SA hardware synthesizer used to be with Jaws for dos on a dos computer. But for some reason, maybe because it is a serial synthesizer the Accent SA is not as responsive with Jaws 4.02. Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker, monopoly board maker Jim You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, The dealer having set rules for when to hit or stay was why I was confused when you said The other difference is from what I've seen so far Alantic City Blackjack just seems to have a better A.I. Its nothing specific I can put my fingure on, but the A.I. tends to know when its a good time to hit, stay, or double which I like. I like your Blackjack game too, but I seem to win more than I lose and I've seen the computer player make several bad calls during the course of a game. As I said its not anything specific I can put my finger on, but it just seems to happen more often than Atlantic City Blackjack. BFN Jim I wouldn't even write Email without a spell checker. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi. I just checked and NVDA seems to work fine with HJ pad also, just FYI. Sent with Thunderbird 3.1.14 portable. On 12/11/2011 5:56 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Hayden, Oh, cool, I didn't know that NVDA could use the sapi5 voices. Thanks for letting me know. Some day I will have to install and check out NVDA. But right now since I wrote my own Email program it reads my Email unattended using the ATT Crystal voice and then throws me into HJ Pad to write my out going Email. And for some reason Jaws works well with HJ Pad. grin And Jaws works fine with the I E version 6 that I am running on my Internet and Email computer. Jaws 4.02 also apparently works well for me on my game development computer in the VB6 IDE as represented by the list of games below. So really other than that Jaws 4.02 doesn't speak automatically for the Atlantic City black jack game, I am very happy with how it does work. The Triple Talk hardware synthesizer can be connected either via USB or serial cable. It has the same speech chip as the Double Talk hardware synthesizer. It is very responsive with Jaws 4.02. And of course it uses almost no system resources as compared to a software synthesizer such as Eloquence. It to me is as responsive as the Accent SA hardware synthesizer used to be with Jaws for dos on a dos computer. But for some reason, maybe because it is a serial synthesizer the Accent SA is not as responsive with Jaws 4.02. Awesome Homer, Baseball, BattleShip, Black Jack, Bop It, Concentration, coupling, Craps, Draw Poker, Football, Golf, Hangman, Homer on a Harley, Life, Mach 1, Mach 1 tts, Master Mind, Monopoly, Pong, Puppy1, Reaction, Roulette, Simon, Skunk, Slot Machine, Snakes and Ladders, Spanker, Star Mule, Triple J Shooter, Trivia game engine, Trucker, Yahtzee Braille reference guide, Brain, Reader, Waver, Batting practice, Golf course maker, monopoly board maker Jim You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files for it at least. I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off as is the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar and all the other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all I want is the webpage and nothing else! is that so hard? I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four pages open at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them and have one around at once, especially on occasions when I've got three or four things open as when I'm playing Core exiles with the main game window, galaxy plotter and Ce db site all! open at once, or when I'm coppying information from one page to go on an audiogames.net entry. I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to have a number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like having any two windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well I have the latest nvda. Ie9 is faster and has standards complience. Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way to hide it. However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like. Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date. So eventually we will have to start using it. Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc. I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that. win8 will be fully ribbonised though. At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Dark, No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet Explorer 8 for a number of reasons. First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc. Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of stuff on the screen. Not just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer simple and straight forward. However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later. As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome because it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about Chrome is its not bloated like I.E. Cheers! On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any
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I have turned off the toolbars, and multitab brousing for the most part, but find that since using nvda for full reader I have seldomly had to interact with toolbars, the same with ie9. My only issue is that at least in nvda progress bars don't speak and the download ariea is a bit strange. But oh well. At 08:04 a.m. 10/12/2011 +, you wrote: Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files for it at least. I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off as is the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar and all the other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all I want is the webpage and nothing else! is that so hard? I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four pages open at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them and have one around at once, especially on occasions when I've got three or four things open as when I'm playing Core exiles with the main game window, galaxy plotter and Ce db site all! open at once, or when I'm coppying information from one page to go on an audiogames.net entry. I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to have a number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like having any two windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 itself, imho -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. well I have the latest nvda. Ie9 is faster and has standards complience. Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way to hide it. However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like. Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date. So eventually we will have to start using it. Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc. I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that. win8 will be fully ribbonised though. At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Dark, No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet Explorer 8 for a number of reasons. First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc. Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of stuff on the screen. Not just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer simple and straight forward. However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later. As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome because it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about Chrome is its not bloated like I.E. Cheers! On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org
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Funnily enough, I know lots of people with quite normal sight who dislike ribbon controls. Microsoft really made an error there i think, but i doubt it'll be corrected in windows 8. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 itself, imho -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. well I have the latest nvda. Ie9 is faster and has standards complience. Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way to hide it. However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like. Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date. So eventually we will have to start using it. Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc. I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that. win8 will be fully ribbonised though. At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Dark, No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet Explorer 8 for a number of reasons. First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc. Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of stuff on the screen. Not just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer simple and straight forward. However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later. As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome because it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about Chrome is its not bloated like I.E. Cheers! On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
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well you love it or you lothe it. Sighted find it a bit bad to, though its just another thing to get used to. And ribbons will get old eventually to. At 01:27 p.m. 10/12/2011 +, you wrote: Ribbons are the worst thing Microsoft ever did, apart from windows 7 itself, imho -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: 10 December 2011 09:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. well I have the latest nvda. Ie9 is faster and has standards complience. Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way to hide it. However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like. Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date. So eventually we will have to start using it. Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc. I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that. win8 will be fully ribbonised though. At 07:27 p.m. 9/12/2011 -0500, you wrote: Hi Dark, No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet Explorer 8 for a number of reasons. First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc. Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of stuff on the screen. Not just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer simple and straight forward. However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later. As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome because it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about Chrome is its not bloated like I.E. Cheers! On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
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Hi Dark, This is really way off topic for the list so I'll consider this my last message on the subject. However, there are certainlyh advantages to having multiple tabs open in a single browser window. Especially, if you are sighted which is the target market the new browsers are designed for in the first place. If you are perhaps shopping for a certain Christmas present you can compare prices with other websites simply by opening wal-mart.com, amazon.com, overstock.com, etc all in the same window and see all of the prices and features on screen at once. You can bring the one you want to look at more closely to the foreground, but if you can see it having all of that information right there on the screen is easier than trying to open every one of those websites in separate windows. I know when I was looking for laptops there were several I was considering buying. The easiest way to narrow it down was to open each page in its own tab and quickly toggle through the tabs to compare information by looking at them side by side so to speak. I think it was easier than having say 10 windows open and having to hunt around for the one I wanted when all I had to do is control+tab or control+shift+tab to the tab I wanted to view. In short, multitab browsing, the tool bars, etc is like anything else in life. Its there if you want it, if you like the feature, and if not you don't have to use it. It comes down to personal choice. Cheers! On 12/10/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well Tom, I know Hal supports ie 9 sinse I've seen the access files for it at least. I don't mind multitabbed brousing just as long as I can turn it off as is the case in Ie8, along with turning off toolbars, searchbar and all the other rubbish that gets stuck on pages, sinse really all I want is the webpage and nothing else! is that so hard? I dislike multi tab brousing because when I've got three or four pages open at a time, I like to just flick instantly betwene them and have one around at once, especially on occasions when I've got three or four things open as when I'm playing Core exiles with the main game window, galaxy plotter and Ce db site all! open at once, or when I'm coppying information from one page to go on an audiogames.net entry. I just could never get the logic of tabs, it seems insane to me to have a number of pages open on one page. I prefer it to be just like having any two windows open so that I can alt tab betwene them. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Shaun, I.E. 9 can easily be disabled by unchecking it in optional updates under Windows 7. However, given the fact that most applications use ribbons, most browsers have multitabbed browsing, browsers have a separate download manager window, etc most of the features in I.E. 9 you'll probably want anyway or will have to get use to using eventually. On 12/10/11, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I have the latest nvda. Ie9 is faster and has standards complience. Nvda can not read progress bars though which is a pain, i don't think there is any way to stop win7 updating to ie9 or at least I have not found a way to hide it. However, it does have some features which though annoying I do like. Everything including info bars etc is on the toolbar, its download manager is a bit strange, but you can view your downloads in a new window and thats ok, The new ribbon is quite a thing to get used to, but the normal text menu just like the dos command line before it is passed its used by date. So eventually we will have to start using it. Eventually you should be able to see what shortcut does what, etc. I fortunately still have winxp, though if I switch to 7 it will be ie9 unless ofcause I can somehow stop it doing that. win8 will be fully ribbonised though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. That seems a very weerd approach, being as 50 percent of blind people are over retirement age, and as you pointed out the vast majority even of the ones under that are unemployed anyway. While Dolphin did fill educational contracts in this country, sinse those were largely based on personal choice or the choice of the L e a (local educational authority), they were largely filling contracts for individuals. That has also served them well, sinse obviously once a license is bought, people can maintain their software for a standard upgrade price, and don't need to buy another license, which is manageable even on incapacity bennifit and disability living allowence. Ironically enough with me, it was almost the opposite way around, sinse after I finished my degree, I assumed the disabled students allowence wouldn't cover more equipment so bought the upgrades for Hal myself, but then was told actually, as long as there was some factor in the new upgrade which would let me work on my course more effectively, i could have the Dsa pay for it, and sinse the majority of Hal upgrades included things like greater access to pdfs, ms office or the internet most have been covered by my dsa, - though by no means all. Then again I've always tried to be careful and only spend student allowence on things actually needed for work. That was why when i bought my rowland r09, I found the price of a mono voice recorder (I tink an olympus model), had the dsa pay that much, then paid the extra myself for the r09 sinse I obviously wanted it to do other things than just record my research assistant reading articals for me, she is also paid out of my dsa as well, and to preempt a question, no scanning wouldn't work. Firstly I never found a particularly efficient scanning program at the time (try combining articals on metaphysics with scan errors, it's not fun). Also, post graduate research in a humanities subject involves basically pulling hundreds of jernal articals off a shelf, or scanning a book very quickly and seeing if there is anything vaguely relevant. I cannot skim read, neither can a scanner, but by having an intelligent person who knows my work, can search on the library computer system and can in fact skim read for me and give me a general overview of an artical, I can sort of approximate the needed skill, which is why I pay for someone out of my dsa in this case, more to the point, someone who already has a masters herself. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Dark, Sure. I definitely do not disagree with you. Dolphin's payment plan certainly is more fair. So is GW Micro's. However, as Freedom Scientific is largely funded here in the USA through government run state agencies they really do not have any incentive to change their payment plan or be more competitive because they have government funding. Someone like GW Micro who doesn't necessarily get a large percentage of sales through government agencies had to find ways to make their product more affordable so they started their lease to own payment plan as well as a traditional SMA payment plan for upgrades. As a result someone on SSI or SSDI is actually better off investing in a GW Micro product because its affordable and the company doesn't expect you to drop $900 at a drop of a hat. Its just not realistic given the fact over 80% of all blind Americans are unemployed and are living in section 508 government housing. Plus ever since I began working with Henter-Joice/Freedom Scientific products they always struck me strictly as a stuffy white collar type of company. It was clear from the beginning Jaws, Job Access With Speech, was intended to be for business professionals and large corperations. There aim or goal was not to target the average home user but schools, government agencies, large businesses, or blind computer users who were gainfully employed in some capacity. It wasn't intended to be for the average home user, but obviously that's what ended up happening because BSVI, BVR, DBS, and other state agencies purchased Jaws, trained their clients, and then could not successfully find them gainful employment Thus resulting in several VI users who have state funded computers with Jaws, Openbook, etc but no decent paying jobs to keep the software up to date. Cheers! On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much prefer dolphin's system on this. no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it! In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next version upgrade in advance and get cash off. beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
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Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Hmmm, maybe that is a difference in rules then, as I have always known the dealers rules to be that the dealer hits on 16 and below and stays on 17 and above. Except for a soft 17 which the dealer can stay or hit. BFN Jim Help!! I hit the power switch and it didn't die j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running Windows 7. Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter. But they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running. You know like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it. I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it. A lady called the other day and was running it. Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers. Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not Eloquence. BFN Jim O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi,Wo w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence or SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts). Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:47 AM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Thomas, Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running Windows 7. Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter. But they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running. You know like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it. I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it. A lady called the other day and was running it. Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers. Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not Eloquence. BFN Jim O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4065 - Release Date: 12/07/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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plus, you can use your sapi voices with nvda too. On Dec 9, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Hayden Presley wrote: Hi,Wo w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence or SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts). Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:47 AM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Thomas, Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running Windows 7. Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter. But they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running. You know like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it. I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it. A lady called the other day and was running it. Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers. Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not Eloquence. BFN Jim O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4065 - Release Date: 12/07/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Well, the processor speed of your computers is fast enough to run Win 7, but you don't have enough memory on either one. Windows 7 requires a bare minimum of 1GB of ram for the operating system and at least 2 GB or more if you want to run Microsoft Office, Jaws, Internet Explorer, etc. Anyway, NVDA comes with a free synth called ESpeak. Like you said it sounds robotic, reminds me of one of the older hardware synths, but there are other options. I myself use Sapi 5 voices like ATT Crystal, ATT Mike, or the Cepstral voices since they are much more human sounding than ESpeak. Cheers! On 12/9/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running Windows 7. Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter. But they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running. You know like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it. I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it. A lady called the other day and was running it. Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers. Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not Eloquence. BFN Jim O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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HI, I mentioned that one, but thanks for restating. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 5:13 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. plus, you can use your sapi voices with nvda too. On Dec 9, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Hayden Presley wrote: Hi,Wo w...that's old enough. The voices to which you refer make up the eSpeak Engine; that is the NVDA default, but there are ways og fetting eloquence or SAPI to work(no, I don't know anything about triple talk hardware synts). Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kitchen Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:47 AM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Thomas, Yes, I'm sure that you are correct in that my Celeron 2.4 GHZ 512 meg ram and my Pentium 2.0 GHZ 512 meg ram computers would not do well at all running Windows 7. Heck might not even like Jaws 13 for that matter. But they run plenty fast enough for me with what they are running. You know like VB6 and all of the games etc that I create with it. I have down loaded NVDA, but have not installed it. A lady called the other day and was running it. Maybe it was just over the phone, but the voices reminded me of old style hardware synthesizers. Oh yeah, my Pentium computer is running a Triple Talk hardware synthesizer, not Eloquence. BFN Jim O k who stole the C off of the Chardon high school again? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4065 - Release Date: 12/07/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4065 - Release Date: 12/07/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, That's my understanding as well. My Blackjack game hits on 16 but stands on 17 and above. On 12/9/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, Hmmm, maybe that is a difference in rules then, as I have always known the dealers rules to be that the dealer hits on 16 and below and stays on 17 and above. Except for a soft 17 which the dealer can stay or hit. BFN Jim Help!! I hit the power switch and it didn't die j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, No. If anything else Internet Explorer 9 is far worse than Internet Explorer 8 for a number of reasons. First, as I mentioned in a prior e-mail it no longer uses MSAA on Windows 7 but uses Microsoft's new accessibility U.I. framework which not all screen readers support yet. This means accessibility is hit or miss depending on how up to date your screen reader is etc. Second, Internet Explorer 9 has a lot of stuff on the screen. Not just the multitabbed browsing--which I like--but a lot of extra tool bars and other things that add clutter to the interface. Honestly I hate using Internet Explorer these days because Microsoft has tried to keep up with Firefox, Chrome, etc and their user interface is no longer simple and straight forward. However, the features in I.E. 9 are very much like the ribbon controls, and is something we'll have to get use to in order to move forward. All of the major web browsers Firefox, Chrome, Opera, etc all have multitab web browsing so its not surprising Internet Explorer would add features like that to compete with their competition.Unless someone is willing to stick with I.E. 6 or 7 for the rest of their lives they'll have to get use to the new U.I. sooner or later. As for myself I don't use I.E. I've switched to Google Chrome because it is A, very accessible, B, much faster, and C, the U.I. has a lot of features packed into a simple user interface. Google is turning out to be a great software developer, and seam willing enough to make their products fairly accessible as they can. I guess what I like about Chrome is its not bloated like I.E. Cheers! On 12/9/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Out of interest tom is there any bennifit to the new Ui change? I'm using ie 8 currently because I've stil got windows xp, but frankly I really dislike multiple tabs, and prefer just to open a window that I can alt tab too sinse it's far more logical to me to do that. I've noticed a trend to have lots of crap on the screen, eg, toolbars, multiple tabs, different ree view etc, and I pretty much turn them all off, so for me using ie 8 is pretty much like using ie 6. I've even stil got office 2007, on one machine and 2003 on another, sinse frankly I saw no bennifit in the newer version. is this like the silly ribbon controls? Something we just have to get used to, but which is ultimately just a flashy ui change that is more of an annoyence than an upgrade? While I always try to keep up to date software where there is a manifest bennifit in new versions, such as Hal, winamp and 7zip, not to mention games, other stuff (especially from microsoft), I tend to be more suspect of. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license for the software, however long ago it was. Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions you miss. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Shane, Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around 2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's exactly why I'm switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of Jaws SMA upgrades per year. Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person misses a certain number of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has to come up with the full amount on their own. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Shane Davidson sh...@shaned.net wrote: Holy wow! Stone age, anyone? That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly. Jeepers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Yeah, I know it is unfair, but its because of their SMA polacy. Basically, Freedom Scientific charges $150 for a SMA agreement which gives you three releases for a flat rate of $50 for standard and a pro costs like $300 for three releases at $100. Either way if you keep the SMA up to date you'll accumulate the cost of a new version of Jaws over several upgrades rather than one lump sum which I suppose is fair. However, the reason Freedom Scientific sticks you with the full cost if you are not on a SMA plan or haven't kept it up to date is to recoop all the money you didn't spend on the upgrades between version x and version y. For example, if a person purchased Jaws 4.02 and kept there SMA up to date until Jaws 13 they would have paid in $450 for standard upgrades and $900 for pro upgrades.I guess they feel upgrading directly from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13 shouldn't cost the user a flat rate like $150 since other customers have invested more money into the product keeping the company and the product going. Therefore after so many missed upgrades the old license is nul and void and you have ot get a new one to upgrade or get on an SMA plan. Cheers! On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license for the software, however long ago it was. Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions you miss. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Shane, Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around 2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's exactly why I'm switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of Jaws SMA upgrades per year. Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person misses a certain number of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has to come up with the full amount on their own. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Shane Davidson sh...@shaned.net wrote: Holy wow! Stone age, anyone? That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly. Jeepers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi tom. I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much prefer dolphin's system on this. no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it! In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next version upgrade in advance and get cash off. beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Dark, Yeah, I know it is unfair, but its because of their SMA polacy. Basically, Freedom Scientific charges $150 for a SMA agreement which gives you three releases for a flat rate of $50 for standard and a pro costs like $300 for three releases at $100. Either way if you keep the SMA up to date you'll accumulate the cost of a new version of Jaws over several upgrades rather than one lump sum which I suppose is fair. However, the reason Freedom Scientific sticks you with the full cost if you are not on a SMA plan or haven't kept it up to date is to recoop all the money you didn't spend on the upgrades between version x and version y. For example, if a person purchased Jaws 4.02 and kept there SMA up to date until Jaws 13 they would have paid in $450 for standard upgrades and $900 for pro upgrades.I guess they feel upgrading directly from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13 shouldn't cost the user a flat rate like $150 since other customers have invested more money into the product keeping the company and the product going. Therefore after so many missed upgrades the old license is nul and void and you have ot get a new one to upgrade or get on an SMA plan. Cheers! On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: That's ridiculous! especially when you've already paid for the license for the software, however long ago it was. Dolphin let you just buy the upgrade for a flat wrate whatever versions you miss. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Shane, Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around 2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's exactly why I'm switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of Jaws SMA upgrades per year. Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person misses a certain number of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has to come up with the full amount on their own. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Shane Davidson sh...@shaned.net wrote: Holy wow! Stone age, anyone? That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly. Jeepers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
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Hi Thomas, May I ask, other than no bet limit, what rules are different in Atlantic City black jack than in say my black jack? Thanks. BFN Jim My favorite color is red, black and chrome. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, BTW my computers are just about as old as Jaws 4.02. I have never up dated any of the software so that it all runs the same as it did out of the box. You know like if I up dated I E for instance, I bet that it would not work so well with Jaws 4.02. I am just very happy that both of these computers work so well for how old they are. BFN Jim Remember: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Sure. I definitely do not disagree with you. Dolphin's payment plan certainly is more fair. So is GW Micro's. However, as Freedom Scientific is largely funded here in the USA through government run state agencies they really do not have any incentive to change their payment plan or be more competitive because they have government funding. Someone like GW Micro who doesn't necessarily get a large percentage of sales through government agencies had to find ways to make their product more affordable so they started their lease to own payment plan as well as a traditional SMA payment plan for upgrades. As a result someone on SSI or SSDI is actually better off investing in a GW Micro product because its affordable and the company doesn't expect you to drop $900 at a drop of a hat. Its just not realistic given the fact over 80% of all blind Americans are unemployed and are living in section 508 government housing. Plus ever since I began working with Henter-Joice/Freedom Scientific products they always struck me strictly as a stuffy white collar type of company. It was clear from the beginning Jaws, Job Access With Speech, was intended to be for business professionals and large corperations. There aim or goal was not to target the average home user but schools, government agencies, large businesses, or blind computer users who were gainfully employed in some capacity. It wasn't intended to be for the average home user, but obviously that's what ended up happening because BSVI, BVR, DBS, and other state agencies purchased Jaws, trained their clients, and then could not successfully find them gainful employment Thus resulting in several VI users who have state funded computers with Jaws, Openbook, etc but no decent paying jobs to keep the software up to date. Cheers! On 12/8/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi tom. I suppose that's reasonable from a busienss perspective, but stil I much prefer dolphin's system on this. no extra upgrades, no pro or standard, you want it, you pay for it! In fact the only real deal they have is the ability to pay for the next version upgrade in advance and get cash off. beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Sure. Naturally Jaws 4.02 was written for the versions of the software you are running. You can't really upgrade anything on that computer without upgrading Jaws first since all of the newer software requires a newer screen reader too. For example, I assume you are running Internet Explorer 6. That's fine for Jaws 4.02, but anything newer would be absolutely inaccessible using that version of Jaws. Internet Explorer 9 has a totally new user interface, new features like multitab browsing, and it uses Microsoft UI Automation not Microsoft Active Accessibility. So unless you get a screen reader that can use Microsoft UI Automation most newer applications like Internet Explorer 9, Microsoft Office 2010, etc won't work at all with Jaws 4.02. Your cheapest solution would be to use NVDA or System Access which are cheaper than Jaws. Then, there is the hardware requirements. I don't know what you are running, but I imagine its pretty slow. My computer has a duel core 2 GHZ 64-bit processor with 3 GB of ram. A duel core processor runs faster than a single core so its probably rated in the 3 GB to 4 GB range. Since I'm running Windows 7 with the new 3d desktop etc I need that extra processor speed and memory. Cheers! On 12/8/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi, BTW my computers are just about as old as Jaws 4.02. I have never up dated any of the software so that it all runs the same as it did out of the box. You know like if I up dated I E for instance, I bet that it would not work so well with Jaws 4.02. I am just very happy that both of these computers work so well for how old they are. BFN Jim --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, Well, at the moment the bet limit is the only one I can think of. Its a lot more challenging when you can't bet more than $100 per hand because you can't just bet all of your chips at once and make a killing with one good hand. You have to work at the game for hours to make a decent proffit off of your initial $1000 stake. The other difference is from what I've seen so far Alantic City Blackjack just seems to have a better A.I. Its nothing specific I can put my fingure on, but the A.I. tends to know when its a good time to hit, stay, or double which I like. I like your Blackjack game too, but I seem to win more than I lose and I've seen the computer player make several bad calls during the course of a game. As I said its not anything specific I can put my finger on, but it just seems to happen more often than Atlantic City Blackjack. Cheers! On 12/8/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Thomas, May I ask, other than no bet limit, what rules are different in Atlantic City black jack than in say my black jack? Thanks. BFN Jim My favorite color is red, black and chrome. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Angela, Ok, but is this system of yours 64-bit or 32-bit? The reason I ask is I have two laptops here running Windows 7. NVDA works fine on the 32-bit version of Windows 7 with Blackjack but has problems with Blackjack on the 64-bit system. Cheers! On 12/8/11, Angela Lerma amle...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am running Windows Vista home premium with a duo core processor. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Angela, What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine. When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the 64-bit system. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Angela Lerma amle...@roadrunner.com wrote: My NVDA works perfectly fine with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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My NVDA works perfectly fine with it. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Michael, Oh, the game itself runs fine. Its just NVDA acts sort of funky when the text appears on screen and NVDA wants to spell each word instead of speak them. I have to shut NVDA up, and review it with the review cursor. I suspect there is probably some setting I have to set to get NVDA to read the command prompt properly. Cheers! On 12/6/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the game on a 64 bit computer. That is the type of windows 7 that he has. A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs good. He is using System Access. But I will pass this along to him. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Holy wow! Stone age, anyone? That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly. Jeepers! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:19 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi, Holy cow! Yeah, that would be an excellent reason for the game not to work for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command prompt support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm not having any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case of why the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to bite the person in the end. Cheers! On 12/6/11, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Charles, Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically because I am running such an old version of Jaws. The game runs fine, I just need to use the review cursor. But truthfully the only reason that I even tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email. I already have a black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Thomas, Yes sir, Jaws 4.02. But hey if you are buying me version 13 I will run it happily. Well as long as it still supports the VB6 IDE so that I can continue to develop games such as my casino pack of games. BFN Jim If Wile E. Coyote had enough money to buy all that ACME crap, why didn't he just buy dinner? j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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In this case, though, it is broke, because it won't handle the text properly. --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi, Holy cow! Yeah, that would be an excellent reason for the game not to work for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command prompt support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm not having any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case of why the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to bite the person in the end. Cheers! On 12/6/11, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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one thing you can use is nvda with is free and would help you out in these times. On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Jim Kitchen wrote: Hi Charles, Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically because I am running such an old version of Jaws. The game runs fine, I just need to use the review cursor. But truthfully the only reason that I even tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email. I already have a black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Angela, What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine. When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the 64-bit system. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Angela Lerma amle...@roadrunner.com wrote: My NVDA works perfectly fine with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, True enough. Although, there are several accessible Blackjack games including yours they are all slightly different. What I like about this Atlantic City Blackjack is that it uses the same rules as Atlantic City casinos instead of Vegas casinos. Its also pretty challenging as well. For instance, I played a good game last night where I earned about $500 over the initial bank roll, lost it, and began going on a losing streak where the dealer knocked me down to $250. I slowly built myself back up to the initial $1000 stake before quitting the game. Point being, this version of Blackjack is definitely got good replay value, and I think I'm going to add some of the features of this Blackjack game to my own. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Charles, Ok, so maybe the Atlantic City black jack game is not speaking automatically because I am running such an old version of Jaws. The game runs fine, I just need to use the review cursor. But truthfully the only reason that I even tried the game was because Michael sent it to me in an Email. I already have a black jack game that uses any of my fine sapi5 voices. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Shane, Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I was using Jaws 4.02 around 2001 or 2002. At least 10 years ago. However, I do understand because of the cost of access technology how something like that could get so far behind, and why someone might be reluctant to upgrade. That's exactly why I'm switching to NVDA because it saves me the cost of Jaws SMA upgrades per year. Of course, in Jim's case there is no easy way to upgrade from Jaws 4.02 to Jaws 13. As I recall after a person misses a certain number of upgrades or SMA licenses Freedom Scientific requires him/her to purchase a new copy of Jaws at the normal retail price, and of course they don't have an easy payment plan like GW Micro so the person has to come up with the full amount on their own. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Shane Davidson sh...@shaned.net wrote: Holy wow! Stone age, anyone? That's like... 2001, if I remember correctly. Jeepers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I am running Windows Vista home premium with a duo core processor. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Angela, What kind of processor and what Windows version are you using? I've tried NVDA on a 32-bit system running Windows 7 and NVDA works fine. When I try it with the game on a 64-bit system running Windows 7 and it has troubles with the game. I'm trying to determine if this is due to the platform or simply a configuration problem with NVDA on the 64-bit system. Cheers! On 12/7/11, Angela Lerma amle...@roadrunner.com wrote: My NVDA works perfectly fine with it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game. The thing is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws. At least it doesn't for me here. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Thomas. I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the game on a 64 bit computer. That is the type of windows 7 that he has. A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs good. He is using System Access. But I will pass this along to him. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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How strange. I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it works OK. You probably do, but here's a thought: Do you have JAWS set to speak highlighted text? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Michael, Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game. The thing is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws. At least it doesn't for me here. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: How strange. I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it works OK. You probably do, but here's a thought: Do you have JAWS set to speak highlighted text? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Michael, Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game. The thing is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws. At least it doesn't for me here. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Are you serious? If that is the case I could definitely see how you wouldn't be able to run it: I'm sure Freedom Scientific have made quite a few updates to JAWS since those days regarding it's API. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Charles Rivard wrote: How strange. I'm using JAWS 13 on a machine using Windows XP Home, and it works OK. You probably do, but here's a thought: Do you have JAWS set to speak highlighted text? --- Security is not the absence of danger. It is the presence of the Lord. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: michael barnes Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hi Michael, Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game. The thing is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws. At least it doesn't for me here. BFN Jim Full house bar and grille Liquor in the front Poker in the rear j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4060 - Release Date: 12/06/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Thomas. Richard told me to let you know how to fix the issue you are having with nvda problem. He said to turn off speeking of characters when runing a console program. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Jim, What version of Jaws are you running. When I play Atlantic City Blackjack using Jaws 13 it reads the text automatically. I did notice though with NVDA it attempts to read the screen automatically, but stutters as the text scrolls onto the screen. However, Jaws 13 seems to work fine with the game. HTH On 12/6/11, Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net wrote: Hi Michael, Thank you for sharing Richard L. De Steno's black jack game. The thing is, the text on the screen does not get spoken automatically by Jaws. At least it doesn't for me here. BFN --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by turn off the speaking of characters. I don't see any option remotely like that in the NVDA preferences. Any clarification here would help. Cheers! On 12/6/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. Richard told me to let you know how to fix the issue you are having with nvda problem. He said to turn off speeking of characters when runing a console program. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, Holy cow! Yeah, that would be an excellent reason for the game not to work for him. As I recall Jaws 4.02 had problems with Windows command prompt support. Later versions have obviously fixed this issue as I'm not having any issues with Jaws 13 and the game. Another classic case of why the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude comes back to bite the person in the end. Cheers! On 12/6/11, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: think it's not working for him is because he's still running jaws 4.02. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, Oh, the game itself runs fine. Its just NVDA acts sort of funky when the text appears on screen and NVDA wants to spell each word instead of speak them. I have to shut NVDA up, and review it with the review cursor. I suspect there is probably some setting I have to set to get NVDA to read the command prompt properly. Cheers! On 12/6/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Thomas. I don't know if it is your screen reader or not because he tested the game on a 64 bit computer. That is the type of windows 7 that he has. A friend of mine has a 64 bit windows 7 computer and he said it runs good. He is using System Access. But I will pass this along to him. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game.
Hey, Everyone. Incase my message didn't get through yesterday I have some great news for all! Richard L. De Steno email me and told me that he has made a windows version of Atlanic city blackjack. He just release it yesterday. He also told me I am more then welcome to pass it out to anyone that wants it. The windows version features are. Run native in windows 32 bit and 64 bit. Have realistic sounds. He also said that he will be working on making the rest of his games for windows. He also said that he like the IOS app that I put together. So here is the download link for the mew version of blackjack from De Steno. http://www.sendspace.com/file/5crzd3 -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, As a sidenote, is your app yet on the appstore and if so, what is its name/ Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:38 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hey, Everyone. Incase my message didn't get through yesterday I have some great news for all! Richard L. De Steno email me and told me that he has made a windows version of Atlanic city blackjack. He just release it yesterday. He also told me I am more then welcome to pass it out to anyone that wants it. The windows version features are. Run native in windows 32 bit and 64 bit. Have realistic sounds. He also said that he will be working on making the rest of his games for windows. He also said that he like the IOS app that I put together. So here is the download link for the mew version of blackjack from De Steno. http://www.sendspace.com/file/5crzd3 -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2102/4059 - Release Date: 12/05/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Hayden. Yes my app is finally on the app store. The name of the app is call De Steno Games. it is also put out by fastintelligence. I hope that everyone is enjoying the new game from Richard. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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earlier i tried the windows version of the blckjack game and i love it. any more windows version of games by him planned? - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] De Steno releases windows game. Hey, Hayden. Yes my app is finally on the app store. The name of the app is call De Steno Games. it is also put out by fastintelligence. I hope that everyone is enjoying the new game from Richard. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Joseph. Yes he is planing on doing the other five games. The reason he had not been in the gaming picture because of personal reasons. But however he said that he would like to do all his six games for windows and hopefully make some new games. Richard was telling me yesterday in a email that he thought I did a great job by creating the De Steno Games IOS app. So when he puts all his games on windows there will be the mobile/portable version of the games. The windows version will be the updated versions and the mobile/portable version will be the app that I put together. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, Thanks. I downloaded and tested the new version. Its ok, but I've noticed a bit of an accessibility issue with it. When the text is printed to the screen NVDA tends to stutter and speech is extremely choppy on 64-bit Windows. As I've seen this issue before I think the issue is that Richard is streaming the text to the console using cout instead of the older printf() function which seems to cause some weird issues with NVDA and other screen readers on 64-bit computers. I tried it on my old 32-bit Compaq and it was fine. So I think the printing issue is exclusively a 64-bit computer thing. You may want to pass this on to Richard as its a bit of a headache playing the games when the screen readers are studdering as text appears on screen. Cheers! On 12/5/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, Everyone. Incase my message didn't get through yesterday I have some great news for all! Richard L. De Steno email me and told me that he has made a windows version of Atlanic city blackjack. He just release it yesterday. He also told me I am more then welcome to pass it out to anyone that wants it. The windows version features are. Run native in windows 32 bit and 64 bit. Have realistic sounds. He also said that he will be working on making the rest of his games for windows. He also said that he like the IOS app that I put together. So here is the download link for the mew version of blackjack from De Steno. http://www.sendspace.com/file/5crzd3 -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
