Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi thom Does one need an understanding of programming languages or mathematics in order to use genesis 3d? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:30 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market Hi Kevin, We have not set a price for Genesis 3D at this time. First we need to finish developing it and make sure everything works properly before we can proceed how to market it, and deal with licensing the technology to third-party developers. The main issue is when we license the technology to third-party game developers it could potentially create hundreds of new accessible games for blind gamers. We need to make sure we can proffet from all of these new games, and get paid for our part in providing the core technology for all of the new games. It certainly won't bee free, and it will be designed for someone wanting to start his/her own part time game company out of it. One way we might be able to do this is sell the games through our web site for the third-party developers, and then collect say 25% of the proffet from the sales. If you sell $1000 in game sales we would take $250 for licensing fees, and the use of our shopping cqart and other services. This is how normal business partnerships like this works, and both you and I would get paid for the use of Genesis. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
HeY! Thats sounds like verry good! Which compan does this work? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Oops, i mean company. Sorry Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi, What i don't get, is, why do there leave this side a life and pay for it? www.audiogamemaker.com? That kosts a dollar or 2 in the year. And why don't they kick this side out of the web? They don't make update for it. So it gives only the one version, and someone can host it on the web. Ciao Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
HiKevin, The Genesis 3D game engine and editor is being designed by my very own game company USA Games. As many gamers on this list know I am really into advanced 3d FPS games, and we needed a way to create such games without having to write and rewrite the same basic game core elements over and over again. When I saw AGM I got the idea I could do the same thing only in an advanced 3d game environment. Obviously, as many gamers here pointedout AGM left a lot to be desired. My Genesis 3D engine/editor allows me to save up to 10 games, draw 3d levels, has built in 3d game calculations, the ability to change character stats, etc. I think whenever I manage to get it ready for use it will be far better than AGM in the end. However, before anyone asks when it will be ready all I can say a release date is a long long ways off. I am currently attempting to rewrite large chunks of the Genesis core to make it run on Mac, Linux, and Windows. That means using wav files to speak game information, using SDL as the sound/keyboard support, and the directory structure between Mac, Linux, and Windows is quite a bit different. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: HeY! Thats sounds like verry good! Which compan does this work? Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi, Ah ok. But that means i can write only 10 games? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Kevin, You would have to ask Richard for the official answer to that question, but I suspect it doesn't cost them very much to keep it running. If they are running AGM off of a university web server then it is probably costing them next to nothing to operate the web site and keep it going. The domain itself probably cost them say $10 to $15 a year, and that isn't that much to keep the audiogamemaker.com domain registered. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi, What i don't get, is, why do there leave this side a life and pay for it? www.audiogamemaker.com? That kosts a dollar or 2 in the year. And why don't they kick this side out of the web? They don't make update for it. So it gives only the one version, and someone can host it on the web. Ciao Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Kevin, No, that isn't what I meant. The full version can design unlimited number of games. What I meant was that you can save up to 10 places in a single game you are playing at any given time. For example, in a Shades of Doom type game you can save up to 9 different games you are currently playing or 9 places in the same game you are playing. If they are full you have to save over a previously saved game or erase all of your saved games and start over. This has to do with the game you are playing and not the games your creating/designing. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi, Ah ok. But that means i can write only 10 games? Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Ah ok. And how mutch do you think do this thing kost? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Kevin, We have not set a price for Genesis 3D at this time. First we need to finish developing it and make sure everything works properly before we can proceed how to market it, and deal with licensing the technology to third-party developers. The main issue is when we license the technology to third-party game developers it could potentially create hundreds of new accessible games for blind gamers. We need to make sure we can proffet from all of these new games, and get paid for our part in providing the core technology for all of the new games. It certainly won't bee free, and it will be designed for someone wanting to start his/her own part time game company out of it. One way we might be able to do this is sell the games through our web site for the third-party developers, and then collect say 25% of the proffet from the sales. If you sell $1000 in game sales we would take $250 for licensing fees, and the use of our shopping cqart and other services. This is how normal business partnerships like this works, and both you and I would get paid for the use of Genesis. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi Ah ok. And how mutch do you think do this thing kost? Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi, And in which programlanguage do this program game makes? I have heart, audio game maker does its games in flash. I heart that, but i am not sure. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Kevin, All of my USA Games products are written in C-Sharp also known as C#.net. They depend on the Microsoft.NET Framework for Windows, and I am currently working on adapting the code to meet the Mono 2.0 specifications for Linux and Mac OS. I am also dropping DirectX in favor of the SDL sound and input API which works on Mac, Linux, and Windows. As for AGM you are right. it was written in Flash and I believe it used Shockwave as the audio API for the sound effects. Personally I think Flash is a very expensive and over rated programming language and technology. The games I managed to create with AGM were slower than snales, and were massive CPU and memory killers. It was a very terrible design all things considered. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi, And in which programlanguage do this program game makes? I have heart, audio game maker does its games in flash. I heart that, but i am not sure. Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Why do you mean that is a verry expencive programinglanguage? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi. C-sharp is free! It is the professional versions of Visual Studio that are expensive. Check out sharpdevelop.net. Their free IDE is quite awesome. HTH. - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market Hi, Why do you mean that is a verry expencive programinglanguage? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1581 - Release Date: 7/30/2008 6:56 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi Louis, No, i didn't mean the C thing, no, i mean the Flash thing here. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Hi, That is because Flash is an exclusive product of Adobe Inc. Their flash development IDES, and licenses to use the Flash programming language is extremely expensive. Last I checked it was something like $300 USD for a single user license. The programming languages I usually use such as C-Sharp, Java, and C++ all have free IDEs, compilers, and documentation I can use on Mac, Linux, and Windows without being tied to one single company. Kevin Weispfennig wrote: Hi, Why do you mean that is a verry expencive programinglanguage? Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market
Ah Ok I understand But why do they dong this soo verry expencive? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi. Please quote some of the original messages when you reply, we are unable to know who and what you are replying to about if we can't examine the message to which you replied. - Original Message - From: Kevin Weispfennig [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] AGM was my oppinion to the game market Hi Ah ok. And how mutch do you think do this thing kost? Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Valiant8086 schrieb: Hi. Please quote some of the original messages when you reply, we are unable to know who and what you are replying to about if we can't examine the message to which you replied. Hi, But what i don't like is, you do trplsxinh mx mrddshr, but you put the text under your message and this is hard to cut of for me. Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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their problem on that note there are as many projects/sites that exist that are dead as there are as many alive or static. Aparently most of sourceforge stuff is dead or not developed, so I here in news lately. I found that intresting. At 11:54 p.m. 1/08/2008, you wrote: Hi, What i don't get, is, why do there leave this side a life and pay for it? www.audiogamemaker.com? That kosts a dollar or 2 in the year. And why don't they kick this side out of the web? They don't make update for it. So it gives only the one version, and someone can host it on the web. Ciao Kevin -- Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.weisi4u.de Klango-Blog: http://kevinweisi.klango.net Klango-Username: kevinweisi Skype: Foerbye1996 Yahoo: kevinweisi MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 424-263-367 AIM: weispfennigkevin Handy: 0177 83 37 034 Podcast: http://weisi4u.podspot.de Podcast per Telefon: 0931 66 399 34 88 mailingliste: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailinglisten-Homepage: http://ml4free.de/mailman/listinfo/weisi4u --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
