Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
I agree with Trouble. While at first you may be just that, hitting buttons and hearing sounds, you can with patience and practice learn to play many mainstream games and not just fighters. I used to have endless fun with the old NES game Excitebike just to pick one at random. And while I did crash my bike a lot at first I quickly learned how to minimize or at least greatly reduce those occurrences based on, you guessed it, sound alone. And you can bet I did get the thrilll of racing along the race track even without the wind rushing by me. On 2/6/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Well after all this my ps2 doesn't work anymore so it looks like I'll have to wait and see how I find playing a fighting game. I do still play a few main stream games but had just never considered a fighting game. My little boy has a WII and there are a few games that are playable and some games such as WII sports tennis I can even beat a few of my sighted friends that are experienced gamers so do appreciate that with enough practise that it is possible to play some main stream games.) but agree with the point these games are playable rather than accessible also hats off to the company making the game this subject was about as I understand the point of the game is that it can be play by either a sighted person or a none sighted person on a completely even playing field with no disadvantage to eitherperson playing the game -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: 06 February 2012 06:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! The amount of info you get is largely dependent on the game. I can almost always tell what I'm doing in tekken, based off what buttons I press. Little details like where exactly I punch someone to knock them out don't matter.. and if you find a good movelist the move names are pretty informative, and some people even describe the moves. But to each their own, I guess. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Well, first off, I like that there's a group out there trying to develop an accessible game for a mainstream console. Yeah, I play games by memorization, but I have to be honest that I do like the idea of a game where I don't have to memorize it to be certain of my choices. I play Tekken games, and I have to admit that I do, in fact, beat the tar out of some people, but part of that is luck, something on which my counterparts don't so much depend. Part of it, true, is skill, but we mustn't simply dismiss a complaint because we don't like it, that is that most games aren't really accessible. If I do something truly extraordinary on Tekken and nobody's there to describe it, I know I've done something awesome, but I can't be certain of what it is. Sometimes, it's something really silly that gets me a win, like punching someone's foot which knocks them out. Truthfully, though we're playing inaccessible games, they aren't truly as open to us as they are to the sighted folk, only because they have more information, so seeing a game that is entirely accessible, complicated or not, is a great boost to my confidence that games that are like in effect although different in scope might be developed more often, leveling the playing field of those with and iwithot useful vision. To make things more concise, it isn't fair to dismiss a game as not complex enough without trying it, and it isn't fair to dismiss a game as too complex without trying it. We should all do what we can to be fair and open-minded to all the gaming opportunities that exist. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Well, if you want to mess around with a fighting game on the wii, nab yourself a classic controller and pick up Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom. That's probably the best fighting game on the wii right now. - Original Message - From: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Well after all this my ps2 doesn't work anymore so it looks like I'll have to wait and see how I find playing a fighting game. I do still play a few main stream games but had just never considered a fighting game. My little boy has a WII and there are a few games that are playable and some games such as WII sports tennis I can even beat a few of my sighted friends that are experienced gamers so do appreciate that with enough practise that it is possible to play some main stream games.) but agree with the point these games are playable rather than accessible also hats off to the company making the game this subject was about as I understand the point of the game is that it can be play by either a sighted person or a none sighted person on a completely even playing field with no disadvantage to eitherperson playing the game -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: 06 February 2012 06:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! The amount of info you get is largely dependent on the game. I can almost always tell what I'm doing in tekken, based off what buttons I press. Little details like where exactly I punch someone to knock them out don't matter.. and if you find a good movelist the move names are pretty informative, and some people even describe the moves. But to each their own, I guess. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Well, first off, I like that there's a group out there trying to develop an accessible game for a mainstream console. Yeah, I play games by memorization, but I have to be honest that I do like the idea of a game where I don't have to memorize it to be certain of my choices. I play Tekken games, and I have to admit that I do, in fact, beat the tar out of some people, but part of that is luck, something on which my counterparts don't so much depend. Part of it, true, is skill, but we mustn't simply dismiss a complaint because we don't like it, that is that most games aren't really accessible. If I do something truly extraordinary on Tekken and nobody's there to describe it, I know I've done something awesome, but I can't be certain of what it is. Sometimes, it's something really silly that gets me a win, like punching someone's foot which knocks them out. Truthfully, though we're playing inaccessible games, they aren't truly as open to us as they are to the sighted folk, only because they have more information, so seeing a game that is entirely accessible, complicated or not, is a great boost to my confidence that games that are like in effect although different in scope might be developed more often, leveling the playing field of those with and iwithot useful vision. To make things more concise, it isn't fair to dismiss a game as not complex enough without trying it, and it isn't fair to dismiss a game as too complex without trying it. We should all do what we can to be fair and open-minded to all the gaming opportunities that exist. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Yeah, gotta agree with Shadow Dragon here... button-mashing can only get you so far. And if you play fighting games with human opponents, mashing is a one-way ticket to losing against anyone who even knows slightly what they're doing, blind or sighted. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I certainly do not just hit random buttons and listen to random sounds. I actually play the game. As has been said before, in messages, in recorded gameplay, whatever, it's definitely possible. BTW there are sighted gamers that play by hitting random buttons, just so you know, they're called button mashers. And ironically in fighting games that tactic tends to work if you set the difficulty pretty low or play a really fast character with exploitable moves. However, if Dan Cook is the Dan I'm thinking of, I seem to recall he was playing some of final fantasy XIII at one point, and hitting random buttons would do little more in that game than have you probably selecting random choices in the menues and not playing the game at all. So if he managed to advance in the storyline he obviously learned how to navigate, fight etc. I say again, just because it doesn't have audiogame or blind in the title doesn't mean it isn't playable or learnable. Preconceptions are I think what get a lot of blind people in trouble, or lock them out of a lot of activities that are possible but that they refuse to do because they can't see how it would be done. -- From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 06:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! See your playing games or think you are by hitting a random combo of buttons on the joy pad. i did that once with a James Bond game. The sounds where great, but only sound feed back to go by didn't give me the thrill of the game or even feel like I was playing it. One game that is accessible don't justify the purchase of a machine that only makes noise. I can get that by highlighting all sounds and letting winamp have fun. As long as they are moving towards accessibility its something to look forward to and possibly justify it. At 05:51 AM 2/6/2012, you wrote: I agree with Clement, and the others, which shouldn't surprise any of you that know me. :) All mainstream fighting games for example require is a rezilient attitude. What I mean is that like anything, there is a lot of trial and error involved, as you're not going to figure anything out all in one go. JUst keep trying and eventually you'll succeed. Heck i'm trying blazblue CT at the moment, boy that game's faster than any other mainstream game i've played and I've been playing them all my life. At the moment, i'm kind of struggling and only getting wins by turning the stick and pressing A b c or d, attempting to get used to moves. I'm sure it'll come eventually though, because just because something seems hard at first, doesn't mean its necessarily impossible. So Michael and others, take a capcom wii game for example, and start by fiddling around with it. eventually you'll get the hang of it. hope this made sense as i've sort of got to run now. On 2/6/12, BRYAN PETERSON bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: That's getting right to the point. Smile. On 2/6/12, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
I certainly do not just hit random buttons and listen to random sounds. I actually play the game. As has been said before, in messages, in recorded gameplay, whatever, it's definitely possible. BTW there are sighted gamers that play by hitting random buttons, just so you know, they're called button mashers. And ironically in fighting games that tactic tends to work if you set the difficulty pretty low or play a really fast character with exploitable moves. However, if Dan Cook is the Dan I'm thinking of, I seem to recall he was playing some of final fantasy XIII at one point, and hitting random buttons would do little more in that game than have you probably selecting random choices in the menues and not playing the game at all. So if he managed to advance in the storyline he obviously learned how to navigate, fight etc. I say again, just because it doesn't have audiogame or blind in the title doesn't mean it isn't playable or learnable. Preconceptions are I think what get a lot of blind people in trouble, or lock them out of a lot of activities that are possible but that they refuse to do because they can't see how it would be done. -- From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 06:52 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! See your playing games or think you are by hitting a random combo of buttons on the joy pad. i did that once with a James Bond game. The sounds where great, but only sound feed back to go by didn't give me the thrill of the game or even feel like I was playing it. One game that is accessible don't justify the purchase of a machine that only makes noise. I can get that by highlighting all sounds and letting winamp have fun. As long as they are moving towards accessibility its something to look forward to and possibly justify it. At 05:51 AM 2/6/2012, you wrote: I agree with Clement, and the others, which shouldn't surprise any of you that know me. :) All mainstream fighting games for example require is a rezilient attitude. What I mean is that like anything, there is a lot of trial and error involved, as you're not going to figure anything out all in one go. JUst keep trying and eventually you'll succeed. Heck i'm trying blazblue CT at the moment, boy that game's faster than any other mainstream game i've played and I've been playing them all my life. At the moment, i'm kind of struggling and only getting wins by turning the stick and pressing A b c or d, attempting to get used to moves. I'm sure it'll come eventually though, because just because something seems hard at first, doesn't mean its necessarily impossible. So Michael and others, take a capcom wii game for example, and start by fiddling around with it. eventually you'll get the hang of it. hope this made sense as i've sort of got to run now. On 2/6/12, BRYAN PETERSON bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: That's getting right to the point. Smile. On 2/6/12, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Well after all this my ps2 doesn't work anymore so it looks like I'll have to wait and see how I find playing a fighting game. I do still play a few main stream games but had just never considered a fighting game. My little boy has a WII and there are a few games that are playable and some games such as WII sports tennis I can even beat a few of my sighted friends that are experienced gamers so do appreciate that with enough practise that it is possible to play some main stream games.) but agree with the point these games are playable rather than accessible also hats off to the company making the game this subject was about as I understand the point of the game is that it can be play by either a sighted person or a none sighted person on a completely even playing field with no disadvantage to eitherperson playing the game -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Clement Chou Sent: 06 February 2012 06:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! The amount of info you get is largely dependent on the game. I can almost always tell what I'm doing in tekken, based off what buttons I press. Little details like where exactly I punch someone to knock them out don't matter.. and if you find a good movelist the move names are pretty informative, and some people even describe the moves. But to each their own, I guess. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Well, first off, I like that there's a group out there trying to develop an accessible game for a mainstream console. Yeah, I play games by memorization, but I have to be honest that I do like the idea of a game where I don't have to memorize it to be certain of my choices. I play Tekken games, and I have to admit that I do, in fact, beat the tar out of some people, but part of that is luck, something on which my counterparts don't so much depend. Part of it, true, is skill, but we mustn't simply dismiss a complaint because we don't like it, that is that most games aren't really accessible. If I do something truly extraordinary on Tekken and nobody's there to describe it, I know I've done something awesome, but I can't be certain of what it is. Sometimes, it's something really silly that gets me a win, like punching someone's foot which knocks them out. Truthfully, though we're playing inaccessible games, they aren't truly as open to us as they are to the sighted folk, only because they have more information, so seeing a game that is entirely accessible, complicated or not, is a great boost to my confidence that games that are like in effect although different in scope might be developed more often, leveling the playing field of those with and iwithot useful vision. To make things more concise, it isn't fair to dismiss a game as not complex enough without trying it, and it isn't fair to dismiss a game as too complex without trying it. We should all do what we can to be fair and open-minded to all the gaming opportunities that exist. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid or Zelda (although Airik the Cleric is a nice representation of the latter). On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
That's getting right to the point. Smile. On 2/6/12, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __
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I agree with Clement, and the others, which shouldn't surprise any of you that know me. :) All mainstream fighting games for example require is a rezilient attitude. What I mean is that like anything, there is a lot of trial and error involved, as you're not going to figure anything out all in one go. JUst keep trying and eventually you'll succeed. Heck i'm trying blazblue CT at the moment, boy that game's faster than any other mainstream game i've played and I've been playing them all my life. At the moment, i'm kind of struggling and only getting wins by turning the stick and pressing A b c or d, attempting to get used to moves. I'm sure it'll come eventually though, because just because something seems hard at first, doesn't mean its necessarily impossible. So Michael and others, take a capcom wii game for example, and start by fiddling around with it. eventually you'll get the hang of it. hope this made sense as i've sort of got to run now. On 2/6/12, BRYAN PETERSON bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: That's getting right to the point. Smile. On 2/6/12, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make
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Sorry you didn't think but you did bring up the topic. So those that have this WII. The price is around $150 and it has 1 accessible game. Sounds high for just one game for the blind. Don't think many of you will buy it, because you already gripe about the prices of accessible games that are for the blind. Looks like a double standard here with no ground to stand on. At 02:27 AM 2/6/2012, you wrote: You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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The amount of info you get is largely dependent on the game. I can almost always tell what I'm doing in tekken, based off what buttons I press. Little details like where exactly I punch someone to knock them out don't matter.. and if you find a good movelist the move names are pretty informative, and some people even describe the moves. But to each their own, I guess. - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Well, first off, I like that there's a group out there trying to develop an accessible game for a mainstream console. Yeah, I play games by memorization, but I have to be honest that I do like the idea of a game where I don't have to memorize it to be certain of my choices. I play Tekken games, and I have to admit that I do, in fact, beat the tar out of some people, but part of that is luck, something on which my counterparts don't so much depend. Part of it, true, is skill, but we mustn't simply dismiss a complaint because we don't like it, that is that most games aren't really accessible. If I do something truly extraordinary on Tekken and nobody's there to describe it, I know I've done something awesome, but I can't be certain of what it is. Sometimes, it's something really silly that gets me a win, like punching someone's foot which knocks them out. Truthfully, though we're playing inaccessible games, they aren't truly as open to us as they are to the sighted folk, only because they have more information, so seeing a game that is entirely accessible, complicated or not, is a great boost to my confidence that games that are like in effect although different in scope might be developed more often, leveling the playing field of those with and iwithot useful vision. To make things more concise, it isn't fair to dismiss a game as not complex enough without trying it, and it isn't fair to dismiss a game as too complex without trying it. We should all do what we can to be fair and open-minded to all the gaming opportunities that exist. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid or Zelda (although Airik the Cleric is a nice representation of the latter). On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
See your playing games or think you are by hitting a random combo of buttons on the joy pad. i did that once with a James Bond game. The sounds where great, but only sound feed back to go by didn't give me the thrill of the game or even feel like I was playing it. One game that is accessible don't justify the purchase of a machine that only makes noise. I can get that by highlighting all sounds and letting winamp have fun. As long as they are moving towards accessibility its something to look forward to and possibly justify it. At 05:51 AM 2/6/2012, you wrote: I agree with Clement, and the others, which shouldn't surprise any of you that know me. :) All mainstream fighting games for example require is a rezilient attitude. What I mean is that like anything, there is a lot of trial and error involved, as you're not going to figure anything out all in one go. JUst keep trying and eventually you'll succeed. Heck i'm trying blazblue CT at the moment, boy that game's faster than any other mainstream game i've played and I've been playing them all my life. At the moment, i'm kind of struggling and only getting wins by turning the stick and pressing A b c or d, attempting to get used to moves. I'm sure it'll come eventually though, because just because something seems hard at first, doesn't mean its necessarily impossible. So Michael and others, take a capcom wii game for example, and start by fiddling around with it. eventually you'll get the hang of it. hope this made sense as i've sort of got to run now. On 2/6/12, BRYAN PETERSON bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: That's getting right to the point. Smile. On 2/6/12, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I agree with this you do lern. even after I lost my sight I still was verry good at playing duck hunt and I also used to play mk as well and I used to play lew kang since he had a kick that you could hear when you have hit the other person. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:27 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important
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Not unless you do the right thing and buy from uk dealers who are always willing to do that lol -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 06 February 2012 16:25 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, And I might add the fact the sum you gave usually does not include accessories like balancing boards, extra Wii-motes, etc as well as the games themselves. On 2/6/12, Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Sorry you didn't think but you did bring up the topic. So those that have this WII. The price is around $150 and it has 1 accessible game. Sounds high for just one game for the blind. Don't think many of you will buy it, because you already gripe about the prices of accessible games that are for the blind. Looks like a double standard here with no ground to stand on. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4792 - Release Date: 02/06/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4792 - Release Date: 02/06/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Michael, I sent this message to this list about that game back on January 22, 2012. 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' Launch Published by: BillGameBase on 24th Mar 2011 | View all blogs by BillGameBase On Friday 25 March 2011, Royal Dutch Visio, Centre of Expertise for blind and partially sighted people will host the worldwide launch of a unique game for the Wii game computer. For the first time, children with and without visual impairment can play together on an equal level, thanks to the game called The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab. The Mayor of Haren - no less - will be present at the launching of this game, which will take place at Visio Education Centre in Haren. Mayor Boumans will compete against the best player from Visio. Visio supports, encourages and counsels visually impaired people by providing various courses, training and programmes. In addition to the positive effect of playing unhindered with peers on an equal level, this game also contributes to improving motoric functions and physical coordination. International introduction In addition to the school in Haren, four other Visio schools will be involved in the introduction of this game. A school in Sarajevo (Bosnia) will also participate in the launch via the partnership with Visio International. Via Skype connection, the various sites will be connected with the main site in Haren so they will experience the official presentation live. Before the launch, all the schools will work on a week-long subject: Egypt. The education institutes already have contact with each other via Skype and Facebook. See www.visio.org/Wii-game Development At the end of 2008 the collaboration partners - MAD multimedia, Principal Blue, TNO and Royal Dutch Visio - had decided to give the concept of Serious Gaming a new dimension. Within two years and with a subsidy from Innovative Action Programme in Groningen (Dutch: IAG2) the first official Nintendo Wii game was developed for children with or without visual impairment. The process used for this development is called co-creation, a technique in which the end user is involved in the development of new products and services. Visually impaired, blind and full sighted children contributed to the content and form of this game, while physical therapists, exercise specialists and teachers monitored the motoric aspects. The outcome In this game you play the role of Ben the Archaeologist who is searching for the Temple of the Diamond Scarab. Once he is in the temple he meets Tiri, an enchanting Egyptian princess. Going through a maze of underground passages they look for ancient Egyptian treasures and confront various challenges. The Guardian leads them step by step to the exit. The game is played on a Balance Board, a standard Wii accessory. With this you can move through the maze, find treasures and enter challenging situations. Since this is the first game in the world developed jointly for visually impaired, blind and fully sighted children, the game can be played in Dutch and in English. To order the Wii game As of April the wii game The Explorer can be ordered here: http://www.visio.org/Wii-game http://www.gamebase.info/magazine/read/the-explorer-and-the-mystery-of-the-diamond-scarab-launch_489.html - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4788 - Release Date: 02/04/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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Hello, I never have sighted assistance when playing games you call inaccessible such as fighting games, so would you please stop saying crap about how inaccessible they are when you aren't even trying to learn? When I do play, I can play fighting games just fine and never once had sighted assistance. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:41 PM, michael barnes wrote: Once again, some of you might have sighted assistance to read to you all the menus and other game stuff. But I don't have anyone around to help me with the games that I got for my Wii, however if I didn't have to remember the menus then I would be happy. Take some of the audio games for exsample, in Shades of doom the menus talk so you know what you are on, and doing the game play you know what is going on in the game. With a game like Pokemon the menus and game play screen is not accessible so you don't really know what is going on. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well I have tried to play games without sighted help but I still would like to know what is in the menus. I would like to also know what is on the screen. These details are important for me, so I can enjoy the game more! Can anyone play The Legend Of Zelda games with no sight? I don't think so. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I only have help when a game absolutely needs it, but other than that I get help from friends on here or in other places. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: 05 February 2012 14:48 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hello, I never have sighted assistance when playing games you call inaccessible such as fighting games, so would you please stop saying crap about how inaccessible they are when you aren't even trying to learn? When I do play, I can play fighting games just fine and never once had sighted assistance. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:41 PM, michael barnes wrote: Once again, some of you might have sighted assistance to read to you all the menus and other game stuff. But I don't have anyone around to help me with the games that I got for my Wii, however if I didn't have to remember the menus then I would be happy. Take some of the audio games for exsample, in Shades of doom the menus talk so you know what you are on, and doing the game play you know what is going on in the game. With a game like Pokemon the menus and game play screen is not accessible so you don't really know what is going on. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4789 - Release Date: 02/04/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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No, we can't play Zelda without sighted help, just as we can't play shooters without help. Sad but true. Orin orin8...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:57 AM, michael barnes wrote: Well I have tried to play games without sighted help but I still would like to know what is in the menus. I would like to also know what is on the screen. These details are important for me, so I can enjoy the game more! Can anyone play The Legend Of Zelda games with no sight? I don't think so. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey, Orin. That's my point of why I enjoy fully accessible games, like the ones that people make especially for the blind. Now I'm not saying the way that some people on here play their Wii is a bad thing, but for me I would rather play a game that is fully accessible to the blind. The Explorer And The Mystery Of The Diamond Scarab, yes it is a maze game however you do have to do different tasks such as battle with snakes ghosts and etc. The neat thing about the game is not only do you use the balance board to move around in the game but you also use the Wii remote and the nunchuck to battle with. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid or Zelda (although Airik the Cleric is a nice representation of the latter). On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid or Zelda (although Airik the Cleric is a nice representation of the latter). On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Well, first off, I like that there's a group out there trying to develop an accessible game for a mainstream console. Yeah, I play games by memorization, but I have to be honest that I do like the idea of a game where I don't have to memorize it to be certain of my choices. I play Tekken games, and I have to admit that I do, in fact, beat the tar out of some people, but part of that is luck, something on which my counterparts don't so much depend. Part of it, true, is skill, but we mustn't simply dismiss a complaint because we don't like it, that is that most games aren't really accessible. If I do something truly extraordinary on Tekken and nobody's there to describe it, I know I've done something awesome, but I can't be certain of what it is. Sometimes, it's something really silly that gets me a win, like punching someone's foot which knocks them out. Truthfully, though we're playing inaccessible games, they aren't truly as open to us as they are to the sighted folk, only because they have more information, so seeing a game that is entirely accessible, complicated or not, is a great boost to my confidence that games that are like in effect although different in scope might be developed more often, leveling the playing field of those with and iwithot useful vision. To make things more concise, it isn't fair to dismiss a game as not complex enough without trying it, and it isn't fair to dismiss a game as too complex without trying it. We should all do what we can to be fair and open-minded to all the gaming opportunities that exist. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Appreciated for the reply, my bad with the spelling mistake I should have got it right to since you referred to it as mk in the original post too, MC just wouldn't sound the same! well I've played a lot of main stream games before I lost my sight so already have a fairly good understanding of them and how they work but just guess I'd never really considered trying to play them without sight. I think I'm going to dig out my PS2 and tekken and give it a go. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 21:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I don't know how best to explain it. Certainly it requires practice but if you're willing to make that effort you can get the hang of it. And just a slight correction, it's Kombat with a K, not Combat with a C. I'm not sure of the reasons behind the spelling but that's what it is. I suppose it's different for me because i'd played nothing but mainstream games my whole life before discovering audio games. Needless to say I was extremely disappointed at the simplicity of a lot of games. NOthing in the style of Metroid or Zelda (although Airik the Cleric is a nice representation of the latter). On 2/5/12, Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com wrote: Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Just wanted to put in my two cents here. This is a reply to a message posted a while back. You can't really say you don't know what's going on on the screen when you actually do and can learn how to tell. I picked up the pokemon games just fine without sighted assistance, all I needed to do was find an FAQ on the internet and learn a bit of the menu structure. And fight games are extremely playable, just because a game isn't an audiogame doesn't mean you can't play it, or even that you need someone sighted to help you play it. I'm actually a little surprised at all of this, since you were the one that found oubliette, mike, back before it was made accessible in any way, and you didn't seem to have a problem with that until I pointed out a few flaws. Playing mainstream games is much the same, and 9 times out of 10 they have more depth than audiogames by far, the only game comprable at all to anything mainstream, in my opinion at least, is Bokurano Daiboukenn. Airik the Cleric falls far, far short of the mark, but it's closer than most, along with entombed and sound RTS. Bokurano might as well just be a mainstream game though. Anyway I basically just wanted to say that there are a lot of neat games out there if you're willing to experiment, and just because it doesn't say that it's for the blind or that it's an audiogame doesn't mean it should hold you back from playing it. -- From: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 02:18 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Agreed. And I didn't know about the Oubliette business. A bit ironic, no? On 2/5/12, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote: Just wanted to put in my two cents here. This is a reply to a message posted a while back. You can't really say you don't know what's going on on the screen when you actually do and can learn how to tell. I picked up the pokemon games just fine without sighted assistance, all I needed to do was find an FAQ on the internet and learn a bit of the menu structure. And fight games are extremely playable, just because a game isn't an audiogame doesn't mean you can't play it, or even that you need someone sighted to help you play it. I'm actually a little surprised at all of this, since you were the one that found oubliette, mike, back before it was made accessible in any way, and you didn't seem to have a problem with that until I pointed out a few flaws. Playing mainstream games is much the same, and 9 times out of 10 they have more depth than audiogames by far, the only game comprable at all to anything mainstream, in my opinion at least, is Bokurano Daiboukenn. Airik the Cleric falls far, far short of the mark, but it's closer than most, along with entombed and sound RTS. Bokurano might as well just be a mainstream game though. Anyway I basically just wanted to say that there are a lot of neat games out there if you're willing to experiment, and just because it doesn't say that it's for the blind or that it's an audiogame doesn't mean it should hold you back from playing it. -- From: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 02:18 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
The only thing that's important is keeping track of where you are yourself. Start with that, and then start getting into where your opponent is. Fighting games, especially modern ones have always had a great deal of audio, at least the good ones have. Street fighter old and new always had a lot of sounds, and SF 4 is the best game for it. But the fact is, that's where the strategy in fighting games comes in and shows the game's true depth. positioning is important, and you, as the player need to make your opponent move where you want them to. In fighting games terminology, it's called controlling space. It's a very deep genre, and one that's quite often underrated. - Original Message - From: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Amen to this. I agree with everything you just said... especially about figuring the things out bit. It isn't hard to learn. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Just wanted to put in my two cents here. This is a reply to a message posted a while back. You can't really say you don't know what's going on on the screen when you actually do and can learn how to tell. I picked up the pokemon games just fine without sighted assistance, all I needed to do was find an FAQ on the internet and learn a bit of the menu structure. And fight games are extremely playable, just because a game isn't an audiogame doesn't mean you can't play it, or even that you need someone sighted to help you play it. I'm actually a little surprised at all of this, since you were the one that found oubliette, mike, back before it was made accessible in any way, and you didn't seem to have a problem with that until I pointed out a few flaws. Playing mainstream games is much the same, and 9 times out of 10 they have more depth than audiogames by far, the only game comprable at all to anything mainstream, in my opinion at least, is Bokurano Daiboukenn. Airik the Cleric falls far, far short of the mark, but it's closer than most, along with entombed and sound RTS. Bokurano might as well just be a mainstream game though. Anyway I basically just wanted to say that there are a lot of neat games out there if you're willing to experiment, and just because it doesn't say that it's for the blind or that it's an audiogame doesn't mean it should hold you back from playing it. -- From: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 02:18 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org.
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You learn. That's it. And I'm sorry to say this so bluntly, but it is simply that you never considered trying something new. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm Sent: 05 February 2012 21:19 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hi, I'm intrigued you say that you all play these main stream games like mortal combat etc but I can't see how that would work?maybe its just because I've never considered trying to play a main stream game since I lost my sight but surely with no sight you wouldn't know where the other person is , for instance if they jumped over you wouldn't even know which side of you they are anymore? Again sorry if I've miss understood but if others with no sight have managed these types of games with success then I may give them a try myself. --Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of BRYAN PETERSON Sent: 05 February 2012 19:36 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with Clement. I play a lot of te old SNES Mortal Kombat games and they're perfectly playable without sighted help. Granted that doesn't do any good if you're not into fighting games but it still proves my point. Besides, whhat I want to know is how these people got permission to develop games for the Wii since that couldn't have come cheaply. On 2/5/12, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Lol at games not being accessible just because the menus are tough to figure out... all three of you are trying to make points and noone and listening. Let me just step in for a moment and say that in Michael's defense, mainstream games can be hard to get into, especially for people spoiled with self-voicing menus. Michael, to be fair, you should give the games that are indeed playable on the wii a chance, rather than just writing them off as not playable simply because you can't go through menus. And what exactly is wrong with memorization? It's attitudes like that, the lack of willingness for change that has kept audio games in a rut for so long and produced so many good but similar games. Personally, I think menus don't need to be voiced, at least, main menus shouldn't. In game menus are a different thing, but it should be good enough for people to read the documentation and get the main menu into their heads, and then work based from memory. Just my personal opinion though. One last note... Michael, if you find a game which is playable, or try out a game given on this list, odds are at least one of us might have knowledge of the menus or at least the important ones. And if not, if the game sounds interesting, one of the people with sighted assistance will get it, figure it out and post the results. This is why I almost exclusively play fighting games... other than the genre we can get into the most, I don't need any sighted assistance at all, figuring out menus is something I can do on my own, since, funnily enough, most fighting games have a similar main menu structure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4790 - Release Date: 02/05/12 - No
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
uh, no offense intended, but there are quite a number of accessible wii games, wii sports, dragon ball Z budokai tenkaichi 3 and tatsunoko VS capcom to list a few On 2/4/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Can we have some details about what kind of game this actually is? Action? Puzzle? - Original Message - From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well, those games sound nice but they are not fully accessible for someone who is totally blind. I understand that you can play those games, but however I don't like that I have to remember menus and have to have a sighted person to help me play the games. That is why I am into accessible games for the blind. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Well it's a maze game that is fully accessible for the totally blind. The game requires the player to use the balance board, and the story is you are looking for treasure. You will face different kinds of challenges. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'm with the others. There are a lot more interesting titles out there. On 2/4/12, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Well it's a maze game that is fully accessible for the totally blind. The game requires the player to use the balance board, and the story is you are looking for treasure. You will face different kinds of challenges. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Once again, some of you might have sighted assistance to read to you all the menus and other game stuff. But I don't have anyone around to help me with the games that I got for my Wii, however if I didn't have to remember the menus then I would be happy. Take some of the audio games for exsample, in Shades of doom the menus talk so you know what you are on, and doing the game play you know what is going on in the game. With a game like Pokemon the menus and game play screen is not accessible so you don't really know what is going on. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hey Mike. Get a hold of me. Is this 100 percent blind friendly, or do we need sighted assitance? The price is right but is it realy fully blind friendly? Many Thanks. -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:20 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Not only that but it doesn't seem in character for Nintendo to allow a game to be marketed on one of their consoles for free. On 2/4/12, Ron Kolesar kolesar16...@roadrunner.com wrote: Hey Mike. Get a hold of me. Is this 100 percent blind friendly, or do we need sighted assitance? The price is right but is it realy fully blind friendly? Many Thanks. -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:20 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Yes it is fully accessible to the blind without sighted assistance. The neat thing about the game is you move around on the board to move your character. I'll be getting a board for my Wii so I can play it. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Well Brian. If you go to website then you will see what I'm talking about. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
-Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:20 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! Hey, All. I just recieved my copy of the fully blind accessible Wii game call 'The Explorer and the Mystery of the Diamond Scarab' From the way things look the game is free to get! All you have to do is go to http://www.visio.org and click on the link call knowledge expertise innovation, and then you will see the link where you can order you a copy. I didn't pay for the game so I know it is free. You just put your name and address and email and in about a week or two you should get your copy. -- Are you sure it's free? I just went out to the site and it looks like they are charging $10.00 for it. Need more info on it if possible. Thanks. Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
That is odd, because when you feel in the edit boxes it does not have anywhere to pay for the game. So I can say this just fill out the form and if you get a copy then the game was free. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Ok mike. I filled out the info for the game. I too will need to pick up a balance board as well. I also wrote them a nice letter asking what this blind person can do to help them beta test new up coming products for we who also want to get in on the new wii virual reality gaming world like our sighted friends are already doing. Will keep everyone up to date if I hear of anything. Ron -Original Message- From: michael barnes Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 11:31 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! That is odd, because when you feel in the edit boxes it does not have anywhere to pay for the game. So I can say this just fill out the form and if you get a copy then the game was free. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states that a service dog beats a cane hands down any day of the week. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Hey, that is great! For those who want to know more about the game you can download the manuel in a audio format. The tracks 18 and up are the english part of the manuel. The rest is the manuel in dutch. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind!
Yeah... gotta agree with Brian. Maze games are all well and good... but doesn't sound too complex. I'll take Tatsunoko vs. Capcom any day. - Original Message - From: BRYAN PETERSON bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] FINALLY! There is a Wii game for the blind! I'm with the others. There are a lot more interesting titles out there. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
