Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
This brings up a point that seems again and again, to be missed. People are always talking about the 'quote - unquote' blind gaming 'industry.' There is no 'industry.' These efforts of devs, even as strong as they are, and they definitely are, are just not united and wide-spread enough for really anyone to call this an 'industry.' This means that as Thomas has said, he's got no one paying him for his time or efforts as he puts the time in day after day after day, to make progress toward a finished game or even an alpha. Are people really getting this?… Imagine yourselves getting up every day, and doing something that you consider work, and actually honestly getting nothing at all back for it at the end of that day to carry you through to do it all again the very next one. yes, there may be rumors of money at the end, whenever that happens, which are coming from a population which are not known for their deep pockets, or furthermore, their attitudes of actually knowing what something is really worth in the world, as they often feel they deserve something for nothing, just because, *sniff* they're disabled, and life is hard. Well guess what, life *IS* hard, and it's also hard for others, other than yourselves. Please don't lose sight of that. Would you honestly want to continue like that for very long? Now add to that; instead of these people thanking you for your time at the very least, they start in on you that now, in addition to your efforts and all your time spent every day, that you're now not doing it right, or fast enough, or whatever. Don't you think this can ware somebody down?… this would ware on *ANYONE*!… this is just simply not kind nor fair treatment of an individual. Surely you all can see that?… Anyway, thanks much for taking time to read this and I do hope we can all get this figured out and at least treat eachother with kindness. Have a great weekend and a Happy Easter!… Smiles, Cara :) On Mar 22, 2008, at 5:27 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Yeah, your side of things is the easy part. You can afford to wait another year or two while I rewrite the side-scroller from scratch. My part is the hard part, because I have to spend one or two years of my life rewriting the thing all of it work, and people wonder my attitude as a bit hostile. While I am working on the game taking time away from friends, family, hobbies all of you are watching TV, reading books, going to work, playing ball with your kids, and life goes on while the guy making that game is slaving away for no pay or free time. Now, when it comes to making games I don't expect a lot of pay, but i do expect to enjoy my work. If I don't enjoy the game I am creating I usually don't make it. Charles Rivard wrote: I'm still willing to wait for Raceway and other games. The time factor is not the complaint. Anyone who has been reading would know that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
Hi Charles and all, The poll was taken for that exact purpose. To find out what people wanted. However, polling and following through are two different things. Imagine yourself as me for a second. You take this poll finding out what gamers want. Ok, the poll comes up side-scroller which you were hoping wouldn't win. It did anyway. Well, you think you can live with it. So you sit down in front of your PC starting to rewrite the game engine from scratch. You know there were copyright issues and bugs in the old Montezuma's Revenge so you know no matter what you are stuck with another year two finishing a game that was suppose to be almost done. You are stuck rewriting a game from scratch that you already wrote and failed to complete through no fault of your own. Following me so far? Now, one of the prevailing arguments for a side-scroller is it will take less time to complete. Not true. I need to rewrite major portions of that engine, and it might be better for the game in the long run to simply start over fresh because I know far more about the game and its problems now than I did when I started. So no matter if I do a 3D or 2D version I am in it for the long hall which means 1 or two years of work to get back to where we are now. Now, let us look at financial compinsation. I started said game in March 2006 and made aproximitly #1500 on developing it. The next two years I spend on working on this game will earn me nothing unless I can attract new buyers. So there is no financial motive in it for me. Let us look at the unnoticed human side of things. I have worked on the game since March 2006 so as of now I have put two years into this abortion of a game with little attention put into my own games, projects, or desires. To say the least about the needs of my friends, family, business, or other hobbies. I am sick to death of the game and just want it out of my life no ifs, ands, and butts about it. Now, if you look at working on a game for no more pay and a lack of desire to create this type of game what do you call it? I call it slavery. I call it mental and cruel abuse of a game developer who has done nothing butt work hard to give you all a game I couldn't release do to some bleeping copyright holder that said take the game down. I frankly don't want anything more to do with Montezuma's Revenge, Montezuma's Return, etc. There is absolutely nothing in it for me except hard work and two more years or so of my life spent on this waist of time. After I complete this side-scroller you all moaned and complained about if you don't like the final product I'll simply give you a couple of quarters and tell you to call someone who gives a frick. Charles Rivard wrote: All I, for one, expect is what has been promised. I anticipate anything you offer in the future. Your openness and honesty are appreciated. The taking of a poll as to whether to make the side scrolling or the 3D game indicated to me that you were willing to produce what the majority of the community wanted, which is a good thing. What was the poll's purpose if it was not to help decide which way you should go? I might have been under the wrong impression. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
Hi Charles, Yeah, your side of things is the easy part. You can afford to wait another year or two while I rewrite the side-scroller from scratch. My part is the hard part, because I have to spend one or two years of my life rewriting the thing all of it work, and people wonder my attitude as a bit hostile. While I am working on the game taking time away from friends, family, hobbies all of you are watching TV, reading books, going to work, playing ball with your kids, and life goes on while the guy making that game is slaving away for no pay or free time. Now, when it comes to making games I don't expect a lot of pay, but i do expect to enjoy my work. If I don't enjoy the game I am creating I usually don't make it. Charles Rivard wrote: I'm still willing to wait for Raceway and other games. The time factor is not the complaint. Anyone who has been reading would know that. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yeaah. Ok, some of us like myself are lazy, um semi gits but I think we do ok, don't punish those that really are wanting this. At the same time I aggree with the other side. Tom you said that you wanted to do the side scroler and then the fps which everyone seemed happy with. I guess there are a few that just want sidescrolers. I really don't care for those. I also don't think that poles can be really acruate. ie, when there is an election there are 3 or 4 different online and tv poles and they have different values. At 02:27 p.m. 22/03/2008, you wrote: don't do this to us. Come on, those are selfish basterds, most of us are not! majority wins here? come on man! Please don't leave us! - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello Thomas, Man I don't know what to say. I seriously hope you reconsider. I'd hate to see you go due to this ungrateful and selfish community. not the entire community mind you, but many people sure are. truth is we need more devs like you who aren't afraid of change and it would really suck to lose you. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL
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hi tom, so why not then ust do the 3d fps game you are clearly unahppyw ith this decision so beating yourself up and complaining about it tom, won't get it coded i'd just go and do the fps and move on --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
nice job! btw keep me poasted on beta stuff! I really wanna help. Ask che how helpfull I was. We were up till 4 in the mornin just testin stuff. Later, Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hi Charles and all, The poll was taken for that exact purpose. To find out what people wanted. However, polling and following through are two different things. Imagine yourself as me for a second. You take this poll finding out what gamers want. Ok, the poll comes up side-scroller which you were hoping wouldn't win. It did anyway. Well, you think you can live with it. So you sit down in front of your PC starting to rewrite the game engine from scratch. You know there were copyright issues and bugs in the old Montezuma's Revenge so you know no matter what you are stuck with another year two finishing a game that was suppose to be almost done. You are stuck rewriting a game from scratch that you already wrote and failed to complete through no fault of your own. Following me so far? Now, one of the prevailing arguments for a side-scroller is it will take less time to complete. Not true. I need to rewrite major portions of that engine, and it might be better for the game in the long run to simply start over fresh because I know far more about the game and its problems now than I did when I started. So no matter if I do a 3D or 2D version I am in it for the long hall which means 1 or two years of work to get back to where we are now. Now, let us look at financial compinsation. I started said game in March 2006 and made aproximitly #1500 on developing it. The next two years I spend on working on this game will earn me nothing unless I can attract new buyers. So there is no financial motive in it for me. Let us look at the unnoticed human side of things. I have worked on the game since March 2006 so as of now I have put two years into this abortion of a game with little attention put into my own games, projects, or desires. To say the least about the needs of my friends, family, business, or other hobbies. I am sick to death of the game and just want it out of my life no ifs, ands, and butts about it. Now, if you look at working on a game for no more pay and a lack of desire to create this type of game what do you call it? I call it slavery. I call it mental and cruel abuse of a game developer who has done nothing butt work hard to give you all a game I couldn't release do to some bleeping copyright holder that said take the game down. I frankly don't want anything more to do with Montezuma's Revenge, Montezuma's Return, etc. There is absolutely nothing in it for me except hard work and two more years or so of my life spent on this waist of time. After I complete this side-scroller you all moaned and complained about if you don't like the final product I'll simply give you a couple of quarters and tell you to call someone who gives a frick. Charles Rivard wrote: All I, for one, expect is what has been promised. I anticipate anything you offer in the future. Your openness and honesty are appreciated. The taking of a poll as to whether to make the side scrolling or the 3D game indicated to me that you were willing to produce what the majority of the community wanted, which is a good thing. What was the poll's purpose if it was not to help decide which way you should go? I might have been under the wrong impression. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2967 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
ok, just know, what ever you do make, I'll buy so add me to msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] when ya got stuff ready to sell. Also there's so many of us who want you as an active member of this list and comunity! Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hi Cory, I probably won't leave the list, but it is likely I will be a less active member on list. I am still interested in making games, but I am probably not going to release everything I make to the general public. Remember that Star Wars FPS game based on Genesis 3D technology, the same technology that was going to be copied into MOTA Beta 2, well the list can forget about ever seeing it. Not only is distributing it a legal liability to me I'm afraid there are some who would not see or appreciate how much effort I put into games like that. A few bad apples have spoiled the entire basket for me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2967 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's the trust of the community to consider. I personally agree with you Will, but if Thomas wants to have any chance of saving his reputation he's got to be shown to give people what they paid for. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: will lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. hi tom, so why not then ust do the 3d fps game you are clearly unahppyw ith this decision so beating yourself up and complaining about it tom, won't get it coded i'd just go and do the fps and move on --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And keep the news updates coming, probably not every week, but month? or maybe just when big things come up. At 01:41 p.m. 23/03/2008, you wrote: ok, just know, what ever you do make, I'll buy so add me to msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] when ya got stuff ready to sell. Also there's so many of us who want you as an active member of this list and comunity! Cory - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hi Cory, I probably won't leave the list, but it is likely I will be a less active member on list. I am still interested in making games, but I am probably not going to release everything I make to the general public. Remember that Star Wars FPS game based on Genesis 3D technology, the same technology that was going to be copied into MOTA Beta 2, well the list can forget about ever seeing it. Not only is distributing it a legal liability to me I'm afraid there are some who would not see or appreciate how much effort I put into games like that. A few bad apples have spoiled the entire basket for me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2967 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi forget what michael want and sarah they ust moaning wankers i'm sorry. you do what youw ant thomas, he and others have six levels they just unsatisfied tossers who dont deserve to buy any games from you in the future Most of us today have supported your 3d efforts so please ingore those dickheads, you ahve a dream, an aspiration, a goal, why sacrifice that cause of some moaning spoilt star star stars i'm sorry thomas but don't let them beat you they jsut twats who can't create their own games, like to see them try hurry up micheal, i want a beta of your side scroller out then in six months, put your money where you damn shoot off mouth is On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:54, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas. I was wondering when you'd realize that this is how the community acts. isn't it disgusting? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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you guys that wanted that side scroller, take it and shove it up your ass! Signed, Cory Kadlik - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2966 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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not all of us though liam mate, only let's see, first finguer, charles, second, michael, h? On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:23, Liam Erven wrote: Thomas. I was wondering when you'd realize that this is how the community acts. isn't it disgusting? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My god, that is stupid. Do whatever you like, but for those of you who did. You suck. Go get lives. Get out of this list. Go away. This is is fucking stupid, because Tom really tried hard and put out a lot of poles to see what users thought. People are bitching at him and yelling at him. Its really quite sad. I'm sorry to hear this, tom, because I really liked your ideas and ideals, not to mention the fact that you tried so hard to make new and interesting games. I'm sorry, but wow. People should just die. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 2512 mb DDR ram( hopefully!), Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive - Original Message - From: Cory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. you guys that wanted that side scroller, take it and shove it up your ass! Signed, Cory Kadlik - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2966 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list
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Hello all, I wasn't going to put my two sense in but have decided to. For you people to force Thomas to do something that is mentally and physically draining him is absolutely selfish. I don't think you people even realize how complicated the task Thomas took on really is. To have to try and look at someone elses code and try to figure out what he or she was thinking is hard enough on its own. Then to have to recode it because the language the first person used was out of date and not really supported is extremely difficult. Its people like you that make programmers throw up their hands in disgust and give up. We ought to be thanking God everyday for people like Thomas who are willing to produce very good games sso we can have them. We are a very small community and instead of moaning and groaning about everything we should be showing are support to the developers so they will continue to produce games for us to play. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list,
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Yeah. You've pretty much closed the doors on what could have been a great developper. He was really into this and was really helpful to people. He put a lot of ideas out there, votes up for what people wanted, etc. And your wanting him to put games out there like 1, 2, 3? Wow. I could have waited another year for raceway as long as he got it done. I just can't express my feelings well enough on this list. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 2512 mb DDR ram( hopefully!), Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello all, I wasn't going to put my two sense in but have decided to. For you people to force Thomas to do something that is mentally and physically draining him is absolutely selfish. I don't think you people even realize how complicated the task Thomas took on really is. To have to try and look at someone elses code and try to figure out what he or she was thinking is hard enough on its own. Then to have to recode it because the language the first person used was out of date and not really supported is extremely difficult. Its people like you that make programmers throw up their hands in disgust and give up. We ought to be thanking God everyday for people like Thomas who are willing to produce very good games sso we can have them. We are a very small community and instead of moaning and groaning about everything we should be showing are support to the developers so they will continue to produce games for us to play. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after
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Hello Thomas, Man I don't know what to say. I seriously hope you reconsider. I'd hate to see you go due to this ungrateful and selfish community. not the entire community mind you, but many people sure are. truth is we need more devs like you who aren't afraid of change and it would really suck to lose you. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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now listen to me all of you ungratefull bastirds out their. thomas is one of the best game developers out their i do not want to loose him form the community and nore do most other people. i am not looking foward to the side scrowler because i was looking foward to the free d game. i am thinking of leaving this community my self in support for thomas. if we loose him as a devoloper then we are loosing one of the best and honnist ones out their. he should just fuck the lot of you and create the game that he wants. if this polehad not have been done then you would not have gave a dam about the free d game. it is the better option and you all know it you are just griping because you are just thinking about your sad soft selfish selves well if thomas leaves the community i would not blame him but then again i am thinking of doing the same if he does in support for him. just be grateful for the games you get and i know you would all play it if it came out the reason you are griping is because you wern't getting what you wanted. he had a good idear and the trueth is you all like the idear you are just moning selfish people and if the griping does not immproove and we loose thomas i may be some one who goes. i am in complete support for thomas he is one of the nicest developers out their and i wish i was on his staff and i hope to god you guys do not put him off. he had so many good games in the pipe line like raceway and now it looks like we could loose all theese good games that thomas had plans for. take care that is all i have to say. ian. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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Well greg, the problem here is people think they'll die cause they paid 30 bucks and never got the game they asked for. obviously I'm sure these same people have never donated a dollar to any cause. so if we paid for a game that is now abandonware, should we get angry and beat up the developer then? what most people don't realize is that these devs wouldn't charge us a penny if they were rich. the sad truth is they aren't, and we aren't so much paying for the game, but for their hard work and dedication. - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello all, I wasn't going to put my two sense in but have decided to. For you people to force Thomas to do something that is mentally and physically draining him is absolutely selfish. I don't think you people even realize how complicated the task Thomas took on really is. To have to try and look at someone elses code and try to figure out what he or she was thinking is hard enough on its own. Then to have to recode it because the language the first person used was out of date and not really supported is extremely difficult. Its people like you that make programmers throw up their hands in disgust and give up. We ought to be thanking God everyday for people like Thomas who are willing to produce very good games sso we can have them. We are a very small community and instead of moaning and groaning about everything we should be showing are support to the developers so they will continue to produce games for us to play. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
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Hi, I've only been here for about a year, maybe actually into RSG for about 5 or so months, and, yeah, this community is disgusting. I frequently think about leaving. We got black hats, spammers, crackers, and general, excuse my language, morons, who constantly look and cause havoc. People want this, and oh, this sound is bad! I used to base everything on the sole opinion of this community. Now, I take some feedback, but other than that, sorry... We just have to live with ths black hats and spammers, and trouble makers. I mean people just expect more! I mean people could have waited months and months before Raceway is done. Instead they want it next week! I do try to produce quality gamesthere's not much more I can do. This is what I usually say to complainers: Could you do better? Would you like to type code? And, uh, it's due tomorrow. I have counted several events, in 2008 alone, that honestly make me sick. I've also learned to keep my mouth shut about plans. When you announce a new game, people want it next week. It just doesn't work that way.unless your creating GSV Smile. -Ryan Smith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They'll more likely die from 30 bucks of mc Donalds lol. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Well greg, the problem here is people think they'll die cause they paid 30 bucks and never got the game they asked for. obviously I'm sure these same people have never donated a dollar to any cause. so if we paid for a game that is now abandonware, should we get angry and beat up the developer then? what most people don't realize is that these devs wouldn't charge us a penny if they were rich. the sad truth is they aren't, and we aren't so much paying for the game, but for their hard work and dedication. - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello all, I wasn't going to put my two sense in but have decided to. For you people to force Thomas to do something that is mentally and physically draining him is absolutely selfish. I don't think you people even realize how complicated the task Thomas took on really is. To have to try and look at someone elses code and try to figure out what he or she was thinking is hard enough on its own. Then to have to recode it because the language the first person used was out of date and not really supported is extremely difficult. Its people like you that make programmers throw up their hands in disgust and give up. We ought to be thanking God everyday for people like Thomas who are willing to produce very good games sso we can have them. We are a very small community and instead of moaning and groaning about everything we should be showing are support to the developers so they will continue to produce games for us to play. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully
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don't do this to us. Come on, those are selfish basterds, most of us are not! majority wins here? come on man! Please don't leave us! - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello Thomas, Man I don't know what to say. I seriously hope you reconsider. I'd hate to see you go due to this ungrateful and selfish community. not the entire community mind you, but many people sure are. truth is we need more devs like you who aren't afraid of change and it would really suck to lose you. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2967 (20080321) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave
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I just finished reading the emails. (I'll try not to double post from now on) I couldn't agree with you more Tom. Give me, I want this, I want it now, faster you. Do you think Nintendo has all this feedback from it's users, people? I was very close to leaving this community, and am still considering leaving, after Shoot Da Me is completed to people's standards, as well as Typing Suite is finished. Just so people know, in the last week, 16 emails of complaints on why Dream City is not finished. I was going to mark it as spam, and inbox.com would block the user. I replied, telling them it will take time. But unfortunately, people didn't read that it's not coming out soon, that I've been focusing on SDM and an unannounced project? I used to dread checking my rsgames email. Now, if you have a problem or question worth answering, I'll respond, other then that, nothing. Not to point fingers, but in the ACE Fire issues, people were saying that they have the courage to say this is terrible. First of all, it's not terrible, it's actually fun. It's about having the respect to keep your mouth closed. Well, that's all I have to say. Just out of curiosity, why now Tom? I've been thinking this for weeks, but decided it's a good time to open up. I've heard that you have to be tough, and ignore people's unintelligent responses. I'm afraid that's true. -Ryan Smith I --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Liam, I've seen the attitude for a long time, but chose to ignore it. I can no longer ignore or over look it. Yes, it is disgusting, and appalling that I seam to have no say so in my own game I am creating. Liam Erven wrote: Thomas. I was wondering when you'd realize that this is how the community acts. isn't it disgusting? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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huh?? Could you run this by us again, corrected so that it is readable? --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: will lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. hi forget what michael want and sarah they ust moaning wankers i'm sorry. you do what youw ant thomas, he and others have six levels they just unsatisfied tossers who dont deserve to buy any games from you in the future Most of us today have supported your 3d efforts so please ingore those dickheads, you ahve a dream, an aspiration, a goal, why sacrifice that cause of some moaning spoilt star star stars i'm sorry thomas but don't let them beat you they jsut twats who can't create their own games, like to see them try hurry up micheal, i want a beta of your side scroller out then in six months, put your money where you damn shoot off mouth is On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:54, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL
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and why don't you just fuck your wishes up your ass On 22 Mar 2008, at 00:43, Charles Rivard wrote: huh?? Could you run this by us again, corrected so that it is readable? --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: will lomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. hi forget what michael want and sarah they ust moaning wankers i'm sorry. you do what youw ant thomas, he and others have six levels they just unsatisfied tossers who dont deserve to buy any games from you in the future Most of us today have supported your 3d efforts so please ingore those dickheads, you ahve a dream, an aspiration, a goal, why sacrifice that cause of some moaning spoilt star star stars i'm sorry thomas but don't let them beat you they jsut twats who can't create their own games, like to see them try hurry up micheal, i want a beta of your side scroller out then in six months, put your money where you damn shoot off mouth is On 21 Mar 2008, at 21:54, Thomas Ward wrote: Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
Hi Tom! I am sorry to hear the grief that you have been put through. I am not a programmer but I would like to be one some day. I have had some criticism on the lone wolf missions I have done but that is nothing to the kind of work and knowledge required to do what you have done. I am interested in the engine you have designed in making games and would like to have your phone numbaer to talk to you about your engine and what I may need to know to design games. I will put my email address below even though I know it is in the lisst record. PS The Lord is still on the throne and prayer changes things. Blessings and Regards! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Cory, I probably won't leave the list, but it is likely I will be a less active member on list. I am still interested in making games, but I am probably not going to release everything I make to the general public. Remember that Star Wars FPS game based on Genesis 3D technology, the same technology that was going to be copied into MOTA Beta 2, well the list can forget about ever seeing it. Not only is distributing it a legal liability to me I'm afraid there are some who would not see or appreciate how much effort I put into games like that. A few bad apples have spoiled the entire basket for me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I, for one, have always been patient when it comes to receiving games, and I still will be. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Ryan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hi, I've only been here for about a year, maybe actually into RSG for about 5 or so months, and, yeah, this community is disgusting. I frequently think about leaving. We got black hats, spammers, crackers, and general, excuse my language, morons, who constantly look and cause havoc. People want this, and oh, this sound is bad! I used to base everything on the sole opinion of this community. Now, I take some feedback, but other than that, sorry... We just have to live with ths black hats and spammers, and trouble makers. I mean people just expect more! I mean people could have waited months and months before Raceway is done. Instead they want it next week! I do try to produce quality gamesthere's not much more I can do. This is what I usually say to complainers: Could you do better? Would you like to type code? And, uh, it's due tomorrow. I have counted several events, in 2008 alone, that honestly make me sick. I've also learned to keep my mouth shut about plans. When you announce a new game, people want it next week. It just doesn't work that way.unless your creating GSV Smile. -Ryan Smith --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm still willing to wait for Raceway and other games. The time factor is not the complaint. Anyone who has been reading would know that. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Yeah. You've pretty much closed the doors on what could have been a great developper. He was really into this and was really helpful to people. He put a lot of ideas out there, votes up for what people wanted, etc. And your wanting him to put games out there like 1, 2, 3? Wow. I could have waited another year for raceway as long as he got it done. I just can't express my feelings well enough on this list. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 2512 mb DDR ram( hopefully!), Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello all, I wasn't going to put my two sense in but have decided to. For you people to force Thomas to do something that is mentally and physically draining him is absolutely selfish. I don't think you people even realize how complicated the task Thomas took on really is. To have to try and look at someone elses code and try to figure out what he or she was thinking is hard enough on its own. Then to have to recode it because the language the first person used was out of date and not really supported is extremely difficult. Its people like you that make programmers throw up their hands in disgust and give up. We ought to be thanking God everyday for people like Thomas who are willing to produce very good games sso we can have them. We are a very small community and instead of moaning and groaning about everything we should be showing are support to the developers so they will continue to produce games for us to play. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:55 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem
Re: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions.
All I, for one, expect is what has been promised. I anticipate anything you offer in the future. Your openness and honesty are appreciated. The taking of a poll as to whether to make the side scrolling or the 3D game indicated to me that you were willing to produce what the majority of the community wanted, which is a good thing. What was the poll's purpose if it was not to help decide which way you should go? I might have been under the wrong impression. Thanks. --- Laughter is the best medicine. Look around you and find a dose. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Side-scroller consessions. Hello gamers, In light of the several emails on and off list to me about my decision to create a 3D FPS game verses a side-scroller I feel I have no choice but to do as everyone asks. For those gamers bound and determined to have a side-scroller do or die what I will do is go back to James North's original plans and put out some kind of game along the Montezuma's Revenge lines. I will restore Arizona Smith to the game, and do whatever it takes to just get the fricking game completed and out of my life. Since you want the game James North was creating you will get it just as James had planned it. No more no less. As for those interested in the 3D FPS version of Mysteries Of the Aztecs I am still interested in creating this game, but obviously I will put it in the things to do pile down the road. Finally, I have one last thing to say to this community before I sign off. I am really disappointed in those of you who have made such a fuss and an issue over this. I try very hard to produce good and high quality games. I even want to go above and beyond the norm by trying things that have never been done before by an accessible game developer. All I get in return is a lot of grief and misery for my effort. From this time forward I will complete your games you got from James North as advertised, but it comes at a price. Before today I use to take polls, gather suggestions from end users, and use to gather your ideas to put into my games. I was always very open about my thoughts, plans, ideas, etc. However, that has been shattered. From now on when I create games I plan to be more or less quiet about my plans, new game ideas, and end user suggestions will be selectively used at my descression. I see now running polls like the one about weather to make a FPS or a side-scroller was a horrible mistake as it is being used to force me to do something I really do not want to do. If it was the poll alone i wouldn't mind so much, but since the majority of those were paid customers I am between the rock and the hard place. Neither option is exactly a great place to be from where I sit, but your demands to force me into this decision only makes it harder to enjoy making accessible games. I can tell you right now I will create the side-scroller, but the next few months are going to be purgatory, slavery, whatever you want to call it. Being the victem of this communities backlash I can tell you why James North became dispondant and left this community in the manner he did. All we developers hear is give me, give me, give me, I want, I want, I want, regardless of how the developer feels or thinks about the matter. Apparently developers aren't allowed to have lives or desires of their own and must soully entertain the blind gamers out there for their every whim. If I ever create a game for this community after these two games are completed you will be pretty darn lucky. i am sick of the stress and grief you put me through. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
