Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
HI Tom As always, you are so informative. Thanks for the nice info. So then I can come to the conclusion that with these machines its only a thing about luck. NO skill is involved. It works then like a cacino, your chances of winning money is 1 out of 50? have a sunny day -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 21 December 2009 09:08 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines Hi Nicol, Yes, we have those machines here in the United States too. However, they aren't exactly fair. The main reason is they are specifically designed not to be able to pick up the larger stuffed toys, and in many other cases there is a switch in the arm that prevents it from grabbing the toys too tightly. In other words the game cheats. As a result you have a very slim chance in actually getting a toy out of one of those machines. However, my uncle has good luck playing with those toy machines. He starts by going for the smaller stuffed toys, and those not packed too tightly into the machine. Some times it takes a couple of tries to actually get one of the toys out, because he will have it part way to the exit when the arm just lets go of it. Still they can be beaten if you have enough money and patients to take out the toys one by one even if it isn't exactly the toy you want. I remember a case a few years back we were in the mall and my uncle stood at one of those machines playing all day. he would take quarters from kids and he would get little stuffed lions, monkeys, dogs, whatever out of the machine left and right. When I asked him how he did that he said there is a trick to it, and you pretty much have to know which toys the arm will take and which ones it will just drop or not get a good grip on. Just because there is a big panda sitting on top of the heap of stuffed toys doesn't mean the machine can actually get it out. However, it is something most kids would try and get out spending lots of quarters on a single big toy instead of going for something less desirable but more accessible and likely to get. As far as an accessible computerized version goes it could be interesting. Although, I'm not sure on how to make it so that it would be realistic. A lot of people don't get anything out of those machines, and there has to be a pretty high statistical chance against getting certain toys out of the machine. There is a lot of factors such as size, wait, and how tightly the toy is in the machine. how often the arm simply drops a toy because it doesn't have a good tight grip on it. Lots of things to think about here. Cheers! Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Hi Nicol, Yeah, you could say that. Your chances of getting lucky at one of those toy machines is pretty low so in a way it is like gambling. You throw a few coins in the machine and see what you can get. Nicol Oosthuizen wrote: HI Tom As always, you are so informative. Thanks for the nice info. So then I can come to the conclusion that with these machines its only a thing about luck. NO skill is involved. It works then like a cacino, your chances of winning money is 1 out of 50? have a sunny day --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
I have seen these machines, we have them in England too, and in America I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory), though the background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention. The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this). As to making it an audio game, well I'm personally not sure about that, sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time you'd added those features, your probably talking about a completely different game entirely. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
As a full game it would lack a lot of depth, but you could always borrow from Kirby's Adventure and make it into a bonus game. In that game there was a large Kirby and a small one that you could grab for extra lives. Interesting fact about the jaws not clamping properly. I didn't know that. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 7:19 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines I have seen these machines, we have them in England too, and in America I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory), though the background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention. The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this). As to making it an audio game, well I'm personally not sure about that, sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time you'd added those features, your probably talking about a completely different game entirely. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
indeed the tune may very. I saw some with no music at all using retro sfx instead and I even saw one with a techno beat with fred saying yaba daba do! if you managed to get the bear. however according to brainiac if you get the bear or not is very much controled. the first thing is the not proper clamping like dark said but there is another factor. there is a controled amount of tries that will win. for instance each 5 tries the pickup is successful. so it goes lose, lose, lose, lose, win and then the cycle repeats. teh 5 was just an example. as for the game idea, not so sure about it. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Would be cool. Also know of one or two of these machines in the wrong type of place where the people have tried things like turning them over to get the teddies to fall out in other ways... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4706 (20091221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4706 (20091221) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Hi Nicol! Oh, I know them very good. You can find these machines in most contries in gaming centres. A game simmilar to this concept would be really gread and shouldn't be to tricky for create. My problem is, I can't imagine how this really would sound like in an audio version. Do you have an imagination how this could sound like? Best regards, Claudio Zeni --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Yes, that is unfortunately true about the crane jaws, but I suppose the owners of the game would lose a lot of cash if everyone could win teddybears. the kirby series in general was famous for having innumerable minigames included. In kirby's nightmare in dremland for the Gba (an expanded and heavily updated version of Kirby's adventure), you could both play these games from the title screen, and also enter doors on the game map to play them for extra lives. thus far, the main audio game I've seen do this is lords of the galaxy, which did it very well, though Tarzan junior similarly had a few mini bonus games too. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Hi Nicol, Yes, we have those machines here in the United States too. However, they aren't exactly fair. The main reason is they are specifically designed not to be able to pick up the larger stuffed toys, and in many other cases there is a switch in the arm that prevents it from grabbing the toys too tightly. In other words the game cheats. As a result you have a very slim chance in actually getting a toy out of one of those machines. However, my uncle has good luck playing with those toy machines. He starts by going for the smaller stuffed toys, and those not packed too tightly into the machine. Some times it takes a couple of tries to actually get one of the toys out, because he will have it part way to the exit when the arm just lets go of it. Still they can be beaten if you have enough money and patients to take out the toys one by one even if it isn't exactly the toy you want. I remember a case a few years back we were in the mall and my uncle stood at one of those machines playing all day. he would take quarters from kids and he would get little stuffed lions, monkeys, dogs, whatever out of the machine left and right. When I asked him how he did that he said there is a trick to it, and you pretty much have to know which toys the arm will take and which ones it will just drop or not get a good grip on. Just because there is a big panda sitting on top of the heap of stuffed toys doesn't mean the machine can actually get it out. However, it is something most kids would try and get out spending lots of quarters on a single big toy instead of going for something less desirable but more accessible and likely to get. As far as an accessible computerized version goes it could be interesting. Although, I'm not sure on how to make it so that it would be realistic. A lot of people don't get anything out of those machines, and there has to be a pretty high statistical chance against getting certain toys out of the machine. There is a lot of factors such as size, wait, and how tightly the toy is in the machine. how often the arm simply drops a toy because it doesn't have a good tight grip on it. Lots of things to think about here. Cheers! Nicol Oosthuizen wrote: Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Hi Dark, Yeah, they are a scam alright. I haven't found many people who actually have beaten one of those things. My uncle is the only person I've met who has any luck at all with those machines, and he says it is because there is a trick to getting things out of one of them. They usually put the heavy stuff on top so it is particularly hard to get to the lighter smaller toys on the bottom that the arm could actually get out without much difficulty. The entire purpose of those machines seams to be to take your money without much of a real chance of getting anything out of them. Still they have been out for years so people must still play them and enjoy them. dark wrote: I have seen these machines, we have them in England too, and in America I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory), though the background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention. The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this). As to making it an audio game, well I'm personally not sure about that, sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time you'd added those features, your probably talking about a completely different game entirely. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
Hi Claudio, The sounds should be easy enough. Since these toy machines usually have all kinds of stuffed animals besides bears you could give each toy a sound like the animal it is suppose to be. A toy dog could bark, a toy cat could meow, a lion could roar, a bear could growl, a cow could moo, whatever. So making up sounds for the various toys would be pretty simple I should think. Claudio Zeni wrote: Hi Nicol! Oh, I know them very good. You can find these machines in most contries in gaming centres. A game simmilar to this concept would be really gread and shouldn't be to tricky for create. My problem is, I can't imagine how this really would sound like in an audio version. Do you have an imagination how this could sound like? Best regards, Claudio Zeni --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
yes I have once. although it was a gift not necessarily a teddy. we also have a game where you put a coin in a slot and click a trigger. you only have around 30 seconds to click that trigger because after that the coin will drop back in the basket. even if you hit the trigger there is a 50-50 chance the coin will not come back out. these game ideas are simple ones. I think pkb or anyone here that has time can probably do it. they don't need much effert. the music for the bear machine may be a bit copywrited so it couldn't be the same but I don't see any issue. one thing though is the machines themselves don't make much of a racket at least the ones I saw. At 01:56 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote: Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines
I was thinking of this type to be a casino style. you gamble some cash, then draw a card or something. I know its not correct but that would make it interesting. At 02:19 a.m. 22/12/2009, you wrote: I have seen these machines, we have them in England too, and in America I believe (sinse one featured in the film toystory), though the background music may be various things not just the lambada you mention. The problem is that they are actually a horrendous scam, sinse the jaws on the crane arm only tighten properly one time in about 50 (there is actually a mechanical switch inside the machine that assures this). As to making it an audio game, well I'm personally not sure about that, sinse it'd be a rather symple one even for a basic arcade game, and would need a good few extra features to be interesting to play, and by the time you'd added those features, your probably talking about a completely different game entirely. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nicol Oosthuizen noosthui...@sars.gov.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 12:56 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea: teddy bear machines Attention all south African members: arrie willem and jakob But you guys in other parts of the world may also comment. Have you seen those machines where one can win a teddy bear by beating a little game? My mom has always told me about these machines, they are very tricky. Basically you are using an arm to pick up one of the teddy bears inside the machine. You have to press buttons similarly to those found on joysticks, the arm is inside the machine. Its very tricky, most of the times the teddy bear falls off the arm into the bucket before one can retrieve it. Basically one have to move the arm forward somewhat like in a sidescroller, till the arm riches a teddybear, then one have to try and pick up the bear with this arm and bring it to the side of the bucket and lift it high enough so that the machine releases it. The machine will try its best to drop the bear again. So how would you guys feel about a game similar to these teddy bear machines ?Of course, I am not the potential developer, I just wish that a game like these teddy bear machines can be made. The teddy bear machines I have been to, while you play the game and also while the machine idles until someone else plays, the music these machines plays, is the lambada tune instrumentally. Have you guys in other parts of the world also seen these teddy bear machines?Some of them even contains watches. A teddy bear catch game would rock. have a sunny day Please Note: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
If you're thinking about the card game war, what's the challenge and replay value? There is none. Also, all you need is a 52-card standard deck. - Original Message - From: Kim Etheridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi. I know I've posted ideas for games in the past, but if they were to be developed, they'd need to be updated. That's not true with this idea, though. What about a speech friendly Uno game, or a speech friendly War game? There aren't any puzzles or information to be updated, or at least not to my knowledge. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Hi Sarah, I have from time to time thought about writing a speech friendly Uno game. I'd certainly be up for it if I didn't have Montezuma's Revenge and Raceway to deal with first. However, if there isn't one by the time I finish the two mentioned titles I'll certainly look at writing one. Smile. Kim Etheridge wrote: Hi. I know I've posted ideas for games in the past, but if they were to be developed, they'd need to be updated. That's not true with this idea, though. What about a speech friendly Uno game, or a speech friendly War game? There aren't any puzzles or information to be updated, or at least not to my knowledge. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi Kim, The only thing is that I had lost my sight before Mario came out. So I have never played it and thus don't know the game. BFN Jim Communication.. without it, everyone's a mushroom. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kitchensinc.net 1-440-286-6920 Chardon Ohio ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, Kim. Again no problem on the effects. I am loaded for stuff like that. I have dragon sounds for the Dragon caves as well as the sound of swinging vines. I suppose as a dev I am probably the best one to take on a project of that type. Marrio is a side scroller like Montezuma's Revenge, and I already have a side scroller engine in development. Once Monty is released perhaps I can modify the Monty engine to be a Marrio game. I'm a bit tied at the moment with my current list of games, but I will definately concidder a Marrio type game once I get through with my current projects. Kim Etheridge wrote: Thank you, Tom. When I posted this idea, I was expecting the worst. I expected to be flamed and criticized, but I'm pleased that you proved me wrong. Anyway, though, as a developer,I'm sure you're knowledgeable about the time it would take to take on such a project. I'm not a developer, so I'm clueless about such things. All I know is, more ideas have to be put in place. Take the dragon caves for example. You'd have to hear the dragon and the fire sound to know where he is, so that if you've got flower power, you can go and shoot him. Wouldn't it be nice Anyway, it would be nice if the game lacked those annoying things that shrink you once you've taken a mushroom. Anyway, though, I like what you were suggesting as far as the sounds for the mushroom. The same principle can be applied to flowers, free men, stars, vines, and whatnot. I wonder who'd develop this game. As far as I know, Nintendo hasn't released any updates to Mario, so it shouldn't be as complicated to manage as a Price is Right game. Jim could probably take this on, if he had the sound files or other tools. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Hi, Yes. That is true. There is several wourlds and levels in Marrio. Would take a while to create that old classic, but it was very addictive. Nicol Oosthuizen wrote: NB: This email and its contents are subject to our email legal notice which can be viewed at http://www.sars.gov.za/Email_Disclaimer.pdf I remember I played Mario with the help of my sighted friends with tv games. IN the Mario I played there are multiple stages or levels in the game. I know you also jump over tortoises and your character can also get bigger if you retrieve a certain bonus object. Then there's an underground level and I can remember there's a level with bees fly ing around you and there's also a level where you swim across a river. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Cool! My idea might actually make a difference here. By the way, what's a side scroller engine, and how does it work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. Again no problem on the effects. I am loaded for stuff like that. I have dragon sounds for the Dragon caves as well as the sound of swinging vines. I suppose as a dev I am probably the best one to take on a project of that type. Marrio is a side scroller like Montezuma's Revenge, and I already have a side scroller engine in development. Once Monty is released perhaps I can modify the Monty engine to be a Marrio game. I'm a bit tied at the moment with my current list of games, but I will definately concidder a Marrio type game once I get through with my current projects. Kim Etheridge wrote: Thank you, Tom. When I posted this idea, I was expecting the worst. I expected to be flamed and criticized, but I'm pleased that you proved me wrong. Anyway, though, as a developer,I'm sure you're knowledgeable about the time it would take to take on such a project. I'm not a developer, so I'm clueless about such things. All I know is, more ideas have to be put in place. Take the dragon caves for example. You'd have to hear the dragon and the fire sound to know where he is, so that if you've got flower power, you can go and shoot him. Wouldn't it be nice Anyway, it would be nice if the game lacked those annoying things that shrink you once you've taken a mushroom. Anyway, though, I like what you were suggesting as far as the sounds for the mushroom. The same principle can be applied to flowers, free men, stars, vines, and whatnot. I wonder who'd develop this game. As far as I know, Nintendo hasn't released any updates to Mario, so it shouldn't be as complicated to manage as a Price is Right game. Jim could probably take this on, if he had the sound files or other tools. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Hi, Kim. Side-scroller is a style of game that was heavily seen on Atari and NES game systems. They were basicly 2D games with only four general directions of movement up, down, left, and right. You usually went up by climbing up something or jumping to that level. The same with going down. You climbed down or jumped to that level. To walk you moved the controler left or right in the direction you wanted to go. Since I had useful vision back in the 80's I did play allot of the side-scroller games Pitfall, Montezuma's Revenge, Double Dragon, Marrio, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, Megaman, Castlevania, just to name a few of the major ones I played. As to the second part of your question a game engine is code written by a game developer which supports the operation of games. This can include libraries for creating game creatures, characters, and objects, audio backends for playing of sounds, code to handle game controllers, etc. To explain how this is useful say tomorrow I was going to work on Marrio. Well, it is a 2d game and the Monty Engine is set up to handle that sort of movement. I already have classes to handle walls, swinging ropes and vines, ladders, maze construction, etc. Well, I can use all that in the new game and change or modify the level code to mirror what I want instead of a sandy temple flor it is now a grassy field, or instead of a lava pit it becomes a pool of water, etc. Kim Etheridge wrote: Cool! My idea might actually make a difference here. By the way, what's a side scroller engine, and how does it work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. Again no problem on the effects. I am loaded for stuff like that. I have dragon sounds for the Dragon caves as well as the sound of swinging vines. I suppose as a dev I am probably the best one to take on a project of that type. Marrio is a side scroller like Montezuma's Revenge, and I already have a side scroller engine in development. Once Monty is released perhaps I can modify the Monty engine to be a Marrio game. I'm a bit tied at the moment with my current list of games, but I will definately concidder a Marrio type game once I get through with my current projects. Kim Etheridge wrote: Thank you, Tom. When I posted this idea, I was expecting the worst. I expected to be flamed and criticized, but I'm pleased that you proved me wrong. Anyway, though, as a developer,I'm sure you're knowledgeable about the time it would take to take on such a project. I'm not a developer, so I'm clueless about such things. All I know is, more ideas have to be put in place. Take the dragon caves for example. You'd have to hear the dragon and the fire sound to know where he is, so that if you've got flower power, you can go and shoot him. Wouldn't it be nice Anyway, it would be nice if the game lacked those annoying things that shrink you once you've taken a mushroom. Anyway, though, I like what you were suggesting as far as the sounds for the mushroom. The same principle can be applied to flowers, free men, stars, vines, and whatnot. I wonder who'd develop this game. As far as I know, Nintendo hasn't released any updates to Mario, so it shouldn't be as complicated to manage as a Price is Right game. Jim could probably take this on, if he had the sound files or other tools. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Are you really going to start work on Mario tomorrow, or were you just giving me an example? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. Side-scroller is a style of game that was heavily seen on Atari and NES game systems. They were basicly 2D games with only four general directions of movement up, down, left, and right. You usually went up by climbing up something or jumping to that level. The same with going down. You climbed down or jumped to that level. To walk you moved the controler left or right in the direction you wanted to go. Since I had useful vision back in the 80's I did play allot of the side-scroller games Pitfall, Montezuma's Revenge, Double Dragon, Marrio, Legend of Kage, Ninja Turtles, Megaman, Castlevania, just to name a few of the major ones I played. As to the second part of your question a game engine is code written by a game developer which supports the operation of games. This can include libraries for creating game creatures, characters, and objects, audio backends for playing of sounds, code to handle game controllers, etc. To explain how this is useful say tomorrow I was going to work on Marrio. Well, it is a 2d game and the Monty Engine is set up to handle that sort of movement. I already have classes to handle walls, swinging ropes and vines, ladders, maze construction, etc. Well, I can use all that in the new game and change or modify the level code to mirror what I want instead of a sandy temple flor it is now a grassy field, or instead of a lava pit it becomes a pool of water, etc. Kim Etheridge wrote: Cool! My idea might actually make a difference here. By the way, what's a side scroller engine, and how does it work? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. Again no problem on the effects. I am loaded for stuff like that. I have dragon sounds for the Dragon caves as well as the sound of swinging vines. I suppose as a dev I am probably the best one to take on a project of that type. Marrio is a side scroller like Montezuma's Revenge, and I already have a side scroller engine in development. Once Monty is released perhaps I can modify the Monty engine to be a Marrio game. I'm a bit tied at the moment with my current list of games, but I will definately concidder a Marrio type game once I get through with my current projects. Kim Etheridge wrote: Thank you, Tom. When I posted this idea, I was expecting the worst. I expected to be flamed and criticized, but I'm pleased that you proved me wrong. Anyway, though, as a developer,I'm sure you're knowledgeable about the time it would take to take on such a project. I'm not a developer, so I'm clueless about such things. All I know is, more ideas have to be put in place. Take the dragon caves for example. You'd have to hear the dragon and the fire sound to know where he is, so that if you've got flower power, you can go and shoot him. Wouldn't it be nice Anyway, it would be nice if the game lacked those annoying things that shrink you once you've taken a mushroom. Anyway, though, I like what you were suggesting as far as the sounds for the mushroom. The same principle can be applied to flowers, free men, stars, vines, and whatnot. I wonder who'd develop this game. As far as I know, Nintendo hasn't released any updates to Mario, so it shouldn't be as complicated to manage as a Price is Right game. Jim could probably take this on, if he had the sound files or other tools. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Hi, Kim. My comment of working on Marrio tomorrow was an example. It was not meant to be taken litterally. Smile. The point I was trying to get at is with a game engine when you want to write a game the engine has built in code that makes writing a new game faster, and a good majority of the code that makes a game run is written. Kim Etheridge wrote: Are you really going to start work on Mario tomorrow, or were you just giving me an example? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
Hmm. At least now I know what you meant. Sorry if I took it out of context.- Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. My comment of working on Marrio tomorrow was an example. It was not meant to be taken litterally. Smile. The point I was trying to get at is with a game engine when you want to write a game the engine has built in code that makes writing a new game faster, and a good majority of the code that makes a game run is written. Kim Etheridge wrote: Are you really going to start work on Mario tomorrow, or were you just giving me an example? ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
No problem. As it happens I will look around for some Mario sound effects to see if I have enough to get the project at least on the drawing board. However, I have to get STFC and Monty out before I sattle another game project. Kim Etheridge wrote: Hmm. At least now I know what you meant. Sorry if I took it out of context.- Original Message - ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
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Hi, Kim. I think your suggestion is a very good one. As a dev of such games let me expand upon some of your ideas. In the PCS Games such as packman when you need to get an item which normally has no sound like an apple, charries, etc Phil simply uses a voice file to repete the word cherrries over and over so you can find it. The same could apply to the Mario idea. As you get closer to the mushroom you need you hear mushroom mushroom mushroom, over and over and it gets louder or softer as you get close or move away. As for the flag poll no problem. How about a flapping flag or something so you can hear it as you get near it. ] I once was sighted, and played Mario when I could see, and I would enjoy seing a audio rendition of the game. I don't have the time now to do so, but I certainly think an audio version can be made. Some things might have to be adapted for a blind gamer, but as a whole it can be done. Kim Etheridge wrote: Hi. I know this may not make any sense, but I've been thinking about something lately. I know it's virtually impossible to produce a Mario game for the blind, although I wish it could be done. However, I've been thinking. What if someone created a game like Mario? Of course they couldn't name it Mario because Nintendo owns that name. However, the sound scheme would have to be different. It could be like Sod. It could have an object locater. You hit a certain keystroke and it'll say, Mushroom in three feet., or something to that effect. Plus, when you get to the end of the level, it'll tell you how far away the flagpole is and you hit a keystroke to jump over it. Plus, the object locater can help you avoid. This is as far as I got on the idea, but I think you can grasp the basic concept. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] new game idea
i vote you should try and do it if their is a dev that could or would - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] new game idea Hi, Kim. I think your suggestion is a very good one. As a dev of such games let me expand upon some of your ideas. In the PCS Games such as packman when you need to get an item which normally has no sound like an apple, charries, etc Phil simply uses a voice file to repete the word cherrries over and over so you can find it. The same could apply to the Mario idea. As you get closer to the mushroom you need you hear mushroom mushroom mushroom, over and over and it gets louder or softer as you get close or move away. As for the flag poll no problem. How about a flapping flag or something so you can hear it as you get near it. ] I once was sighted, and played Mario when I could see, and I would enjoy seing a audio rendition of the game. I don't have the time now to do so, but I certainly think an audio version can be made. Some things might have to be adapted for a blind gamer, but as a whole it can be done. Kim Etheridge wrote: Hi. I know this may not make any sense, but I've been thinking about something lately. I know it's virtually impossible to produce a Mario game for the blind, although I wish it could be done. However, I've been thinking. What if someone created a game like Mario? Of course they couldn't name it Mario because Nintendo owns that name. However, the sound scheme would have to be different. It could be like Sod. It could have an object locater. You hit a certain keystroke and it'll say, Mushroom in three feet., or something to that effect. Plus, when you get to the end of the level, it'll tell you how far away the flagpole is and you hit a keystroke to jump over it. Plus, the object locater can help you avoid. This is as far as I got on the idea, but I think you can grasp the basic concept. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
