Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-07 Thread Raul A. Gallegos
Hi. You could use adrift from www.adrift.org.uk. Version 3.9 is free, 
and 4.0 is not, but 4.0 is well worth it. I'm currently writing the two 
games I'm working on using Adrift and it's super speech friendly and you 
don't need to know programming. I don't like the way it handles some 
things by default, so I'm doing some pretty fancy stuff to make my game 
work better.

ari said the following on 3/2/2008 3:17 AM:
> Hi all,
> I remember asking this ages ago, and someone suggested that, without any 
> knowledge of programming, you could use inform to write a text adventure, 
> but that it wasn't too great for screen readers. What I want to know is, 
> even using programming, what's the most accessible package to write text 
> adventures in, and what's the difference between them. If you also don't 
> know programming, isn't there maybe an quickstart guide somewhere for a text 
> adventure writer?
> Thanks
> Ari 
> 
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-04 Thread Cara Quinn
   K, do you have an email addie with which to subscribe?  I tried the  
usual to no avail.

Smiles,

CQ  :)


On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:35 AM, Trouble wrote:

> Like said before, its not gone. Just slow at getting back up.
>
> At 10:40 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
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>> mouth.
>> I went over to blindprogramming.com and read the home page. That  
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>> I then, just attempted to subscribe manually based on my last known
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-04 Thread Cara Quinn
   Thankie muchly, and feel free to disregard my prior notie note, K?...

Have an awesome day!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:40 AM, Trouble wrote:

> its now,
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>> Hi Cara,
>> Hmm... I don't know. I unsubscribed from blind programming quite a  
>> while
>> back myself, and haven't tried getting back on the list. So perhaps I
>> stand corrected and the list is no longer there. Last time I recall  
>> it was
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> and if the address is changed I am pretty clueless. That was a  
>> helpful
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-04 Thread Sean Mealin
Hi Tom and all;
The blind programming site is down right now, do to content changes in
the near future.  As for the list, it moved a wile ago, you can sign up
at:
http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind

Have a great day!

Sean
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Hi all,

Ok, it looks as though it is time to stick my big fat foot in my mouth. 
I went over to blindprogramming.com and read the home page. That happens

to be Droople's unexciting default home page with absolutely no content 
on the web site. Basicly, a dead site.
I then, just attempted to subscribe manually based on my last known 
blind programming subscription addresses and again no show. It looks as 
though the site is really and truly gone unless there is something we 
are all missing.
Cheers.


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-04 Thread Trouble
its now,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

It got pulled from the mailman crap and bad support from altra host.

At 10:32 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
>Hi Cara,
>Hmm... I don't know. I unsubscribed from blind programming quite a while
>back myself, and haven't tried getting back on the list. So perhaps I
>stand corrected and the list is no longer there. Last time I recall it was
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  and if the address is changed I am pretty clueless. That was a helpful
>service for new developers back when I was struggling to get through
>college and didn't know my butt from the proverbial hole in the ground.
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-04 Thread Trouble
Like said before, its not gone. Just slow at getting back up.

At 10:40 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Ok, it looks as though it is time to stick my big fat foot in my mouth.
>I went over to blindprogramming.com and read the home page. That happens
>to be Droople's unexciting default home page with absolutely no content
>on the web site. Basicly, a dead site.
>I then, just attempted to subscribe manually based on my last known
>blind programming subscription addresses and again no show. It looks as
>though the site is really and truly gone unless there is something we
>are all missing.
>Cheers.
>
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Cara Quinn
   Yeah, I'd find it hard to believe if they perished, but it seems  
so.  -Or at least the addie seems to have changed.

   There was actually quite a bit of intelligence on that list, with  
various peeps being involved in some pretty heady projects.  lol!

Very fun list at times.

Anyway, thanks, and have an awesome evening!…

Smiles,

Cara  :)


On Mar 3, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi Cara,
> Hmm... I don't know. I unsubscribed from blind programming quite a  
> while
> back myself, and haven't tried getting back on the list. So perhaps I
> stand corrected and the list is no longer there. Last time I recall  
> it was
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi all,

Ok, it looks as though it is time to stick my big fat foot in my mouth. 
I went over to blindprogramming.com and read the home page. That happens 
to be Droople's unexciting default home page with absolutely no content 
on the web site. Basicly, a dead site.
I then, just attempted to subscribe manually based on my last known 
blind programming subscription addresses and again no show. It looks as 
though the site is really and truly gone unless there is something we 
are all missing.
Cheers.


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Cara,
Hmm... I don't know. I unsubscribed from blind programming quite a while 
back myself, and haven't tried getting back on the list. So perhaps I 
stand corrected and the list is no longer there. Last time I recall it was
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and if the address is changed I am pretty clueless. That was a helpful 
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Cara Quinn
   Thomas, sorry for the possible OT here, (not sure)  I tried subbing  
to that list, after being subbed / leaving a while back, and couldn't  
locate a proper addie to sub to.  The old one doesn't seem to exist  
anymore.  (this is after Googling and such)  Might you or others have  
an addie I could ping?…

thankie muchly!…

XOXO


Cara  :)

On Mar 3, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi Ari,
> Well, blind programming still exists, but they are moving over to the
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Ari,
Well, blind programming still exists, but they are moving over to the 
Droople content management system. Beyond that I have no idea what that 
community is up to these days.


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-03 Thread Trouble
Its still there, just not up and running. New construction is going 
on and its a bit slow with up dating all the info. A lot of the stuff 
up there is out of date with some programming needs. so replacing it 
with good is a task.
You can still google and find just about everything it had and then some.

At 01:12 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
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>Are you saying that blindprogramming doesn't exist anymore? What does this
>droople login mean, what would happen if I registered for it?
>Thanks
>Ari
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread ari
Hi James,
Are you saying that blindprogramming doesn't exist anymore? What does this 
droople login mean, what would happen if I registered for it?
Thanks
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread James Scholes
Hi, it seems that blindprograming is switching to using Drupal, a content 
management system, on their site, so the log in form on the site is not for 
the site itself, rather the drupal cms system.
James Scholes
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> Hi Rob and Trouble, thanks for these, just one other question, have you 
> guys
> tried Alan and what is it like? I'm asking because I also like it's
> interface when playing games. I'll try inform and see what happens, but is
> there a guide for beginners? I know even for programming, Tom talks about
> Safari, but I wanted to also look on blindprogramming, and, I don't know 
> if
> it's just me, but the site seems totally weird! I remember in the old days
> there were tutorials and stuff, but now there's this weird login screen
> which doesn't even seem to have anything to do with blindprogramming 
> anyway!
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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread robjoy
Hello,
Indeed, blind programming has changed a lot. I don't think so you would 
find any good IF-related article, or anything regarding IF on it though.
There is an IF demo, called Cloak. It's like the Hello world in 
programming, a very basic story with 3 rooms, 2 objects and a simple 
puzzle to solve. On jacl.sf.net you can find the implementation in JACL 
format, and also you will find other implementations, like in hugo, 
alan, inform 6 and 7, tads, etc. You can check it out and see which IF 
authoring system is good for you.

Rob

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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 21:19:22 +0200
From: "ari"

Hi Rob and Trouble, thanks for these, just one other question, have you 
guys
tried Alan and what is it like? I'm asking because I also like it's
interface when playing games. I'll try inform and see what happens, but is
there a guide for beginners? I know even for programming, Tom talks about
Safari, but I wanted to also look on blindprogramming, and, I don't know if
it's just me, but the site seems totally weird! I remember in the old days
there were tutorials and stuff, but now there's this weird login screen
which doesn't even seem to have anything to do with blindprogramming anyway!
Ari


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread ari
Hi Rob and Trouble, thanks for these, just one other question, have you guys 
tried Alan and what is it like? I'm asking because I also like it's 
interface when playing games. I'll try inform and see what happens, but is 
there a guide for beginners? I know even for programming, Tom talks about 
Safari, but I wanted to also look on blindprogramming, and, I don't know if 
it's just me, but the site seems totally weird! I remember in the old days 
there were tutorials and stuff, but now there's this weird login screen 
which doesn't even seem to have anything to do with blindprogramming anyway!
Ari 


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread robjoy
Hello Ari et all,
Inform 7, at least with jfw, is mostly accessible. It has two windows, 
the "coding" area where you actually enter your story mostly in full 
english sentences, and the second window is the viewer, where the 
program displays it's messages like compile status, errors, help pages, 
examples, etc.
Features like the built in inform interpreter, skein, keywords list are 
not accessible, but to write your code, to compile and see the errors 
it's perfect. You can test your story with an external interpreter, like 
Zoom for the mac, frotz, etc.
Inform 7 has an excellent help system, with many many examples and 
because the mode you're writing your stories is almost like natural 
english, it is extremely easy to learn and use. It's portable, there are 
interpreters for windows, linux, mac, even for pacmates.
I've tried lots of if authoring systems which are programming-based, but 
since almost every one uses a c-syntax, i did not like them. There is 
one however, called JACL, which is extremely easy to learn if you have 
basic programming skills (no matter in which language). It is not that 
popular, in fact, the author told me i am the only person using it at 
the moment, but i hope that will change soon.
It runs on linux, can run on windows under cygwin, and probably on the 
mac too.
I say, if you want to write stories easily and you don't know how to 
program, go for inform. If you do know, go for JACL, it's much easier 
than tads, inform 6 or others.
You can download the Inform 7 environment at:
http://www.inform-fiction.org
and you can get JACL at:
http://jacl.sf.net
Rob

- Original Message -
Subject: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:17:11 +0200
From: "ari"

Hi all,
I remember asking this ages ago, and someone suggested that, without any
knowledge of programming, you could use inform to write a text adventure,
but that it wasn't too great for screen readers. What I want to know is,
even using programming, what's the most accessible package to write text
adventures in, and what's the difference between them. If you also don't
know programming, isn't there maybe an quickstart guide somewhere for a 
text
adventure writer?
Thanks
Ari


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Re: [Audyssey] writing a text adventure

2008-03-02 Thread Trouble
There is not to much out there for now, but things do have a way of 
popping up around here.

At 03:17 AM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I remember asking this ages ago, and someone suggested that, without any
>knowledge of programming, you could use inform to write a text adventure,
>but that it wasn't too great for screen readers. What I want to know is,
>even using programming, what's the most accessible package to write text
>adventures in, and what's the difference between them. If you also don't
>know programming, isn't there maybe an quickstart guide somewhere for a text
>adventure writer?
>Thanks
>Ari
>
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