Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Wanda Barry]

I was wondering what the FBI involvement was in all of this...now it's becoming 
more clearer by the minute!!  Stephen, I truly believe you would not have 
posted any of this if you didn't have good sources.  You only come up for air 
when the situation warrants... :-)  Welcome back..albeit, how briefly it might 
be!!

Wanda


  - Original Message - 
  From: Stephen Manuel 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING




   I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you 
should if you haven't. 


  This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 
HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in 
the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of 
the Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of 
this, plus the Cam Newton Situation. 


  The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder 
for Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an 
FBI Agent. 


  Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared 
ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the 
NCAA does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC.


  Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. 


  Stephen 





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  From: "oli...@bobparks.com" 
  To: Gator Talk 
  Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

  I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it?
  Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! 
  This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good 
for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. 
  I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF!
  BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT?

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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  From: Gatorr  
  Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  Exactly. "if".

  Woody (via iPhone)

  On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson  wrote:


It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a 
"handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or 
illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn 
stands to lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be 
a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.

Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: 
  I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, 
it’s a violation….I think?



  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



  yes.  The FBI is investigating.

  Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.



  But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with 
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 



  There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.



  Woody







   

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

  What do you mean no facts ??



  We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 



  We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 



  We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


  We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time. 



  We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. 



  We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 



  We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation 
of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 



  I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only 
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.



  Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to 
get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

  The one thing 

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

I didn't have time to read the links earlier, Stephen, but they're still here 
in my inbox for a little light bedtime reading later tonight.  Thanks for 
sharing them.

Cee
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stephen Manuel 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING




   I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you 
should if you haven't. 


  This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 
HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in 
the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of 
the Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of 
this, plus the Cam Newton Situation. 


  The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder 
for Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an 
FBI Agent. 


  Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared 
ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the 
NCAA does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC.


  Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. 


  Stephen 





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  From: "oli...@bobparks.com" 
  To: Gator Talk 
  Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

  I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it?
  Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! 
  This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good 
for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. 
  I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF!
  BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT?

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


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  From: Gatorr  
  Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  Exactly. "if".

  Woody (via iPhone)

  On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson  wrote:


It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a 
"handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or 
illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn 
stands to lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be 
a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.

Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: 
  I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, 
it’s a violation….I think?



  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



  yes.  The FBI is investigating.

  Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.



  But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with 
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 



  There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.



  Woody







   

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

  What do you mean no facts ??



  We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 



  We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 



  We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


  We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time. 



  We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. 



  We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 



  We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation 
of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 



  I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only 
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.



  Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to 
get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

  The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 



  I’m

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Stephen Manuel]

 I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you 
should if you haven't. 

This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 
HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in 
the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of 
the 
Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of this, 
plus the Cam Newton Situation. 

The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder for 
Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an FBI 
Agent. 

Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared 
ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the 
NCAA 
does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC.

Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. 

Stephen 





From: "oli...@bobparks.com" 
To: Gator Talk 
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it?
Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! 
This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good 
for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. 

I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF!
BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From:  Gatorr  
Sender:  gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
ReplyTo:  gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

Exactly. "if".

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson  wrote:


It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a 
"handler" 
or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or 
illegal 
inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn stands 
to lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 
1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.
>
>Eddie Williamson
>
>On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: 
> 
>>I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited
>> 
>>money, it’s a violation….I think?
>> 
>>From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>Of 
>>Woody
>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
>>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>> 
>>yes.  The FBI is investigating.
>>Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
>> 
>>But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or
>> 
>>corrupt yet.  And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also 
>>accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does 
>>that 
>>mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their   
>>  
>>incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to 
>>conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for 
>>sure. 
>>
>> 
>>There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything
>> 
>>wrong.
>> 
>>Woody
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel 
>> wrote:
>>What do you mean no   facts ??
>> 
>>We know that MSU   alleged that they were   
>>approached by people stating they represented Cam   Newton 
>>and 
>>wanted money for   him to sign with MSU. This has been 
>>verified 
>>by   numerous people. 
>>
>> 
>>We know the FBI is   involved and have   
>>questioned MSU representatives. 
>>
>> 
>>We know that Auburn   has a long and   
>>distinguished history of cheating. 
>>
>>
>>We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have   
>>corrupted 
>>the AU program   for a long time. 
>>
>> 
>>We know that Lowder’s   Bank went under. 
>> 
>>We know that Auburn   Boosters have been   
>>arrested for bribing Politicians. 
>>
>> 
>>We know that the FBI   has wiretapped   
>>numerous 
>>phones in the investigation of Lowder and   other AU boosters 
>>over Bank   and Gambling issues. 
>>
>> 
>>I’ve followed and been   involved in   
>>recruiting for over 25 years,  only the most diehard   Auburn 
>>Fan would not   believe they are in deep doo doo.
>> 
>>Does   anyone honestly believe that MSU   was 
>>told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and   all of a 
>>sud

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Wanda Barry]

And with all those millions, he can help his daddy's church forever...

Wanda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ed Williamson 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" 
or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal 
inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn stands to 
lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st 
round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.

  Eddie Williamson

  On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: 
I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's 
a violation..I think?



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.



But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with 
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 



There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.



Woody







 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??



We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 



We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 



We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time. 



We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 



We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 



We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 



I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.



Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 



I'm 99% sure that they do.



I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in 
College Football History.



Stephen Manuel



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 



No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some 
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" 
come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey 
probably over nothing.  



Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.



Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 



I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that 
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, 
I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was buying 
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.



Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about 
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
considerably. 



I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly 
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will 
get the FBI's interest. 



However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor 
out there about this

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

If AU cannot play in the SECCG, what will happen?

Cee

  - Original Message - 
  From: John Bowers 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  Whatever happens, I know one thing:  South Carolina fans probably cannot 
believe the good fortune that has so far unfolded for them this year.  I said 
on more than one occasion (more than about a hundred, really) that there was no 
way, NO WAY, that all three teams.Tennessee, Florida, AND Georgia.could

  all crash (I think I used the word 'suck' actually) in the SAME YEAR..and 
give Carolina a path.  And darned if it didn't happen.  Now Auburn is teetering 
on the brink of catastrophe, right as ol' Spur-Cock is headed to the ATL to 
play them.  

   

  I'm telling you, watch what happens.  Newton's going to be declared 
ineligible before the SECCG.  Or something else will happen that will derail 
Auburn.  Four proud teams roll over and play dead in front of Carolina.

   

  Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Auburn.

   

  John


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RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[John Bowers]

Whatever happens, I know one thing:  South Carolina fans probably cannot
believe the good fortune that has so far unfolded for them this year.  I
said on more than one occasion (more than about a hundred, really) that
there was no way, NO WAY, that all three teams.Tennessee, Florida, AND
Georgia.could

all crash (I think I used the word 'suck' actually) in the SAME YEAR..and
give Carolina a path.  And darned if it didn't happen.  Now Auburn is
teetering on the brink of catastrophe, right as ol' Spur-Cock is headed to
the ATL to play them.  

 

I'm telling you, watch what happens.  Newton's going to be declared
ineligible before the SECCG.  Or something else will happen that will derail
Auburn.  Four proud teams roll over and play dead in front of Carolina.

 

Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Auburn.

 

John

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Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[oliver]

I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it?
Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big!  
This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good 
for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. 
I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF!
BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Gatorr 
Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

Exactly. "if".

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson  wrote:

> It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" 
> or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal 
> inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn stands 
> to lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st 
> round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.
> 
> Eddie Williamson
> 
> On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a 
>> violation….I think?
>>  
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com   
>> [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>>  
>> yes.  The FBI is investigating.
>> Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
>>  
>> But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
>> youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just 
>> as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
>> Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but 
>> lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.
>>  
>> There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.
>>  
>> Woody
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
>> wrote:
>> What do you mean no facts ??
>>  
>> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
>> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has 
>> been verified by numerous people.
>>  
>> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.
>>  
>> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.
>> 
>> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
>> program for a long time.
>>  
>> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under.
>>  
>> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.
>>  
>> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
>> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.
>>  
>> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
>> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
>>  
>> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU   was told it will 
>> take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for 
>> Free ??
>> 
>> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
>> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
>> paid.
>>  
>> I’m 99% sure that they do.
>>  
>> I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
>> Football History.
>>  
>> Stephen Manuel
>>  
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Woody
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>>  
>> Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
>> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do 
>> with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did   
>> anything wrong (yet). 
>>  
>> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some 
>> of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
>> confernece   call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  
>> these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all 
>> just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. 
>>  
>> Its like I told my Auburn friend the other   
>> day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry 
>> about.  End of story.
>>  
>> Woody
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
>> wrote:
>> I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
>> too interesting I want to share it.
>>  
>> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that 
>> interested in the story un

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Re: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[Cecilia]

If you kept the Gators out of it every week, my record would be a lot better!

Cee

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  From: John Bowers 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ; Gator News 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:08 AM
  Subject: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em


  Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick 'Em.  
You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  Couldn't find a line 
on it for some reason, but I didn't really look too hard.  Maybe keeping our 
own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good luck charm.

   

  http://pickem.g8r.com

   

  John and Oz  

   

   


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Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

And, now that I've read everything in my inbox, I realize I should have done 
that before responding with the same sentiments.  Sorry!

Cee

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Lucas 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or 
a AU booster.  PERIOD.  Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands 
from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a 
violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to 
get his services... done.

   



--
  From: Gatorr 
  To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" 
  Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio 
shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did 
happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter 
argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we 
just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that 
happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be 
tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. 

  Woody (via iPhone)

  On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone"  wrote:


I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s 
a violation….I think?



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.



But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with 
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 



There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.



Woody







 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??



We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 



We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 



We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time. 



We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. 



We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 



We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 



I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.



Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 



I’m 99% sure that they do.



I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in 
College Football History.



Stephen Manuel



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 



No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some 
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" 
come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey 
probably over nothing.  



Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.



Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 



I’m sure most are following the Cam Ne

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

Even if Cam had no knowledge, if money was solicited by and paid to his family 
by AU boosters, that's a violation... a biig violation.  

Whatever happens, it'll be good sport to watch it unfold.

Cee

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gatorr 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio 
shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did 
happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter 
argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we 
just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that 
happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be 
tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. 

  Woody (via iPhone)

  On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone"  wrote:


I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s 
a violation….I think?



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.



But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with 
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 



There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.



Woody







 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??



We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 



We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 



We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time. 



We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. 



We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 



We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 



I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.



Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 



I’m 99% sure that they do.



I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in 
College Football History.



Stephen Manuel



From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING



Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 



No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some 
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" 
come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey 
probably over nothing.  



Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.



Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 



I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that 
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn Grad, 
I told him based on my experience,  it’s probably true that Auburn was buying 
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.



Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about 
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
considera

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

Yup.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Cicone 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a 
violation..I think?

   

  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

   

  yes.  The FBI is investigating.

  Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

   

  But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as 
scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean Bama is 
corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump 
to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 

   

  There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

   

  Woody

   

   



   

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

  What do you mean no facts ??

   

  We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 

   

  We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

   

  We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


  We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program 
for a long time. 

   

  We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

   

  We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 

   

  We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

   

  I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

   

  Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

  The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 

   

  I'm 99% sure that they do.

   

  I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
Football History.

   

  Stephen Manuel

   

  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

   

  Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 

   

  No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some of 
those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece 
call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" come to 
light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably 
over nothing.  

   

  Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

   

  Woody

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

  I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 

   

  I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that 
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, 
I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was buying 
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

   

  Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the 
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
considerably. 

   

  I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly 
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will 
get the FBI's interest. 

   

  However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out 
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every 
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal 
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the 
potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

   

  I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure 
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

   

  From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

  http://www.

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Cecilia]

No matter what, it'll be fun to watch.

And, btw... HEY, STEPHEN!!!

Cee
  - Original Message - 
  From: Stephen Manuel 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  What do you mean no facts ??

   

  We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 

   

  We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

   

  We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


  We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program 
for a long time. 

   

  We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

   

  We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 

   

  We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

   

  I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

   

  Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??



  The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 

   

  I'm 99% sure that they do.

   

  I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
Football History.

   

  Stephen Manuel

   

  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

   

  Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 

   

  No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some of 
those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece 
call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" come to 
light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably 
over nothing.  

   

  Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

   

  Woody

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
wrote:

  I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 

   

  I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that 
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, 
I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was buying 
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

   

  Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the 
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
considerably. 

   

  I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly 
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will 
get the FBI's interest. 

   

  However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out 
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every 
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal 
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the 
potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

   

  I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure 
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

   

  From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1

   

  TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

   
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

   

  Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and 
Political Corruption  
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt

   

  AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting 
indicted, plus murder for hire.

  http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

   

  I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this 
much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 

   

  Stephen Manuel

   

   

   

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Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Scott Lucas]

But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a 
AU booster.  PERIOD.  Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from 
one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... 
If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his 
services... done.

 




From: Gatorr 
To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" 
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio 
shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did 
happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter 
argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we 
just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that 
happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be 
tracked. 
Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. 

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone"  wrote:


I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a 
violation….I think?
> 
>From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>Of 
>Woody
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
> 
>yes.  The FBI is investigating.
>Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
> 
>But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
>youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just 
>as 
>scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean Bama 
>is 
>corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump 
>to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 
>
> 
>There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.
> 
>Woody
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  wrote:
>What do you mean no facts ??
> 
>We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
>represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has 
>been 
>verified by numerous people. 
>
> 
>We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 
> 
>We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 
>
>We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program 
>for a long time. 
>
> 
>We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. 
> 
>We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 
> 
>We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
>Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 
>
> 
>I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
>most 
>diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
> 
>Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
>Cam 
>Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??
>The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
>boosters 
>on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. 
>
> 
>I’m 99% sure that they do.
> 
>I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
>Football History.
> 
>Stephen Manuel
> 
>From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>Of 
>Woody
>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
> 
>Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
>there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
>this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 
> 
>No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some of 
>those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece 
>call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" come to 
>light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably 
>over 
>nothing.  
>
> 
>Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
>wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.
> 
>Woody
>On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  wrote:
>I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
>too 
>interesting I want to share it. 
>
> 
>I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that 
>interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn Grad, 
>I 
>told him based on my experience,  it’s probably true that Auburn was buying 
>players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
>for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.
> 
>Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the 
>play for pay scheme

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Gatorrrrrr]

Exactly. "if".

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson  wrote:

> It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" 
> or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal 
> inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable.  Auburn stands 
> to lose the most.  The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st 
> round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.
> 
> Eddie Williamson
> 
> On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a 
>> violation….I think?
>>  
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com   
>> [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>>  
>> yes.  The FBI is investigating.
>> Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
>>  
>> But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
>> youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just 
>> as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
>> Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but 
>> lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.
>>  
>> There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.
>>  
>> Woody
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
>> wrote:
>> What do you mean no facts ??
>>  
>> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
>> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has 
>> been verified by numerous people.
>>  
>> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.
>>  
>> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.
>> 
>> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
>> program for a long time.
>>  
>> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under.
>>  
>> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.
>>  
>> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
>> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.
>>  
>> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
>> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
>>  
>> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU   was told it will 
>> take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for 
>> Free ??
>> 
>> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
>> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
>> paid.
>>  
>> I’m 99% sure that they do.
>>  
>> I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
>> Football History.
>>  
>> Stephen Manuel
>>  
>> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Woody
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
>> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>>  
>> Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
>> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do 
>> with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did   
>> anything wrong (yet). 
>>  
>> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some 
>> of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
>> confernece   call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  
>> these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all 
>> just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. 
>>  
>> Its like I told my Auburn friend the other   
>> day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry 
>> about.  End of story.
>>  
>> Woody
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
>> wrote:
>> I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
>> too interesting I want to share it.
>>  
>> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that 
>> interested in the story un

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RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Jay Cicone]

Yes, Cam has the least to lose or so it would seem.

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Williamson
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:27 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a
"handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided
payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be
culpable.  Auburn stands to lose the most.  The worst that will happen
to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft
and an instant millionaire.

Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: 

I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money,
it's a violationI think?

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

 

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged
with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?
Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no
obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till
we know for sure. 

 

There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

 

Woody

 

 



 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??

 

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating
they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU.
This has been verified by numerous people. 

 

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

 

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time. 

 

We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

 

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.


 

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation
of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

 

I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to
get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are
getting paid. 

 

I'm 99% sure that they do.

 

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
College Football History.

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is
smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything
to do with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong
(yet). 

 

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way..
some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so
call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.  

 

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did
nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of
story.

 

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big
and too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not
that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an
Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that
Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is
involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major
probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
out there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about
every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are
involved, federal indictments are involved, m

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Ed Williamson]

It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a 
"handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided 
payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be 
culpable.  Auburn stands to lose the most.  The worst that will happen 
to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft 
and an instant millionaire.


Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote:


I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, 
it's a violationI think?


*From:*gatort...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Woody

*Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
*To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt 
yet.  And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and 
charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is 
corrupt?  Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The 
answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam 
or Auburn till we know for sure.


There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

Woody



On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel 
mailto:srman...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:


What do you mean no facts ??

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating 
they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. 
This has been verified by numerous people.


We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU 
program for a long time.


We know that Lowder's Bank went under.

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the 
investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling 
issues.


I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only 
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.


Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K 
to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??


The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has 
Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn 
Players are getting paid.


I'm 99% sure that they do.

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in 
College Football History.


Stephen Manuel

*From:*gatort...@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
] *On Behalf Of *Woody

*Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
*To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is 
smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had 
anything to do with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did 
anything wrong (yet).


No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. 
some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so 
call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so 
called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just 
a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing.


Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did 
nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.


Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
mailto:srman...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:


I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to 
big and too interesting I want to share it.


I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not 
that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an 
Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true 
that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI 
is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major 
probation for Auburn.


Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people 
about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level 
went up considerably.


I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price 
allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands 
undocumented will get the FBI's interest.


However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of 
information/gossip/rumor out there about this case.  Not only is the 
FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is 
involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are 
involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the 
potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Foot

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Gatorrrrrr]

Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio 
shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did 
happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter 
argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we 
just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that 
happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be 
tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. 

Woody (via iPhone)

On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone"  wrote:

> I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a 
> violation….I think?
> 
>  
> 
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Woody
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
> 
>  
> 
> yes.  The FBI is investigating.
> 
> Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
> 
>  
> 
> But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
> youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just 
> as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean 
> Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets 
> not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.
> 
>  
> 
> There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.
> 
>  
> 
> Woody
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel  
> wrote:
> 
> What do you mean no facts ??
> 
>  
> 
> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has 
> been verified by numerous people.
> 
>  
> 
> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.
> 
>  
> 
> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.
> 
> 
> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program 
> for a long time.
> 
>  
> 
> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under.
> 
>  
> 
> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.
> 
>  
> 
> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
> 
>  
> 
> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
> Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??
> 
> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
> paid.
> 
>  
> 
> I’m 99% sure that they do.
> 
>  
> 
> I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
> Football History.
> 
>  
> 
> Stephen Manuel
> 
>  
> 
> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Woody
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
> 
>  
> 
> Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
> this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 
> 
>  
> 
> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some of 
> those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call 
> confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" 
> come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey 
> probably over nothing. 
> 
>  
> 
> Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing 
> wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.
> 
>  
> 
> Woody
> 
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
> too interesting I want to share it.
> 
>  
> 
> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that 
> interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn 
> Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it’s probably true that Auburn was 
> buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you 
> will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.
> 
>  
> 
> Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the 
> play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
> considerably.
> 
>  
> 
> I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly 
> involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will 
> get the FBI’s interest.
> 
>  
> 
> However, I a

RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Stephen Manuel]

UF was corrupt when Charlie Pell was here.over 100 NCAA violations says so.

 

Bama was corrupt under Mike Dubose.

 

Auburn has been corrupt numerous times. 

 

I'm just saying, this case has the potential to make the Alabama/Albert
Means case seem like chump change. 

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

 

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And
youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just
as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but
lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 

 

There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

 

Woody

 

 



 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??

 

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has
been verified by numerous people. 

 

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

 

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time. 

 

We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

 

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 

 

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

 

I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting
paid. 

 

I'm 99% sure that they do.

 

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College
Football History.

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do
with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 

 

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.  

 

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

 

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn
Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was
buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you
will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has
the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

 

I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

 

>From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676
 &Pg=1

 

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

 

Re: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[Ed Williamson]

LOL.. I would still take the Gators, even though they haven't 
covered all year. give me a record similar to theirs.  :-)


Eddie

On 11/18/2010 11:45 AM, Jay Cicone wrote:


*I would be forced to take Appalachian to cover **L***

**

*From:*gatort...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Ed Williamson

*Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:44 AM
*To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

You should put the game on anyway as a "pick em"  or put Appy State as 
a 3 point favorite.   :-P


Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 11:08 AM, John Bowers wrote:

Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick 
'Em.  You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  
Couldn't find a line on it for some reason, but I didn't really look 
too hard.  Maybe keeping our own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good 
luck charm.


http://pickem.g8r.com

John and Oz

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RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Jay Cicone]

I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money,
it's a violationI think?

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

yes.  The FBI is investigating.

Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

 

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged
with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?
Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no
obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till
we know for sure. 

 

There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

 

Woody

 

 



 

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

What do you mean no facts ??

 

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating
they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU.
This has been verified by numerous people. 

 

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

 

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time. 

 

We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

 

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.


 

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation
of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

 

I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to
get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are
getting paid. 

 

I'm 99% sure that they do.

 

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
College Football History.

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is
smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything
to do with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong
(yet). 

 

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way..
some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so
call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.  

 

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did
nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of
story.

 

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big
and too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not
that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an
Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that
Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is
involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major
probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
out there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about
every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are
involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been
mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal
in College Football History

 

I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make
sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out
there.

 

>From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website...start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1

 

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

 
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-
university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

 

Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
Political Corruption
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/

Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Woody]

yes.  The FBI is investigating.
Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And
youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just
as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean
Bama is corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but
lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.

There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

Woody





On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote:

>  What do you mean no facts ??
>
>
>
> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they
> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has
> been verified by numerous people.
>
>
>
> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.
>
>
>
> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.
>
>
> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
> program for a long time.
>
>
>
> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under.
>
>
>
> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.
>
>
>
> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of
> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.
>
>
>
> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the
> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
>
>
>
> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get
> Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??
>
> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting
> paid.
>
>
>
> I’m 99% sure that they do.
>
>
>
> I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
> College Football History.
>
>
>
> Stephen Manuel
>
>
>
> *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Woody
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
> *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
>
>
>
> Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do
> with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet).
>
>
>
> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some
> of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
> confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
> "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
> lotta whooey probably over nothing.
>
>
>
> Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing
> wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.
>
>
>
> Woody
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
> too interesting I want to share it.
>
>
>
> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that
> interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn
> Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it’s probably true that Auburn was
> buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you
> will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.
>
>
>
> Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
> the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
> considerably.
>
>
>
> I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
> involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
> will get the FBI’s interest.
>
>
>
> However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
> out there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about
> every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved,
> federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this
> case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football
> History….
>
>
>
> I’ll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
> you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that’s out there.
>
>
>
> From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website…start here
>
> http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1
>
>
>
> TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn:
>
>
> http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/
>
>
>
> Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
> Political Corruption
> http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt
>
>
>
> AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
> indicted, plus 

RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Jay Cicone]

You may be right, Stephen.

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Manuel
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:51 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

What do you mean no facts ??

 

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating
they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU.
This has been verified by numerous people. 

 

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

 

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time. 

 

We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

 

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.


 

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation
of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

 

I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only
the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to
get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are
getting paid. 

 

I'm 99% sure that they do.

 

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
College Football History.

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is
smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything
to do with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong
(yet). 

 

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way..
some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so
call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.  

 

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did
nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of
story.

 

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big
and too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not
that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an
Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that
Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is
involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major
probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
out there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about
every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are
involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been
mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal
in College Football History

 

I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make
sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out
there.

 

>From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website...start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1

 

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

 
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-
university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

 

Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
Political Corruption
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3ee
a05796017322.txt

 

AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
indicted, plus murder for hire.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

 

I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is
this much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 

 

Stephen Manuel

 

 

 

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winn

RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Stephen Manuel]

What do you mean no facts ??

 

We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has
been verified by numerous people. 

 

We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

 

We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time. 

 

We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

 

We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 

 

We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

 

I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

 

Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??



The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting
paid. 

 

I'm 99% sure that they do.

 

I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College
Football History.

 

Stephen Manuel

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

 

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do
with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 

 

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.  

 

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

 

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel 
wrote:

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn
Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was
buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you
will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has
the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

 

I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

 

>From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676
 &Pg=1

 

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

 
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-univ
ersity-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

 

Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
Political Corruption
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea057
96017322.txt

 

AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
indicted, plus murder for hire.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

 

I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this
much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 

 

Stephen Manuel

 

 

 

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
 

 

-- 
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Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Woody]

Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do
with this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet).

No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called
"sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole
lotta whooey probably over nothing.

Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

Woody

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote:

>  I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big
> and too interesting I want to share it.
>
>
>
> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that
> interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn
> Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it’s probably true that Auburn was
> buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you
> will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn.
>
>
>
> Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
> the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
> considerably.
>
>
>
> I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
> involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
> will get the FBI’s interest.
>
>
>
> However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor
> out there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about
> every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved,
> federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this
> case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football
> History….
>
>
>
> I’ll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
> you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that’s out there.
>
>
>
> From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website…start here
>
> http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1
>
>
>
> TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn:
>
>
> http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/
>
>
>
> Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
> Political Corruption
> http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt
>
>
>
> AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
> indicted, plus murder for hire.
>
> http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html
>
>
>
> I don’t vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this
> much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere.
>
>
>
> Stephen Manuel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
> 2008 National Football Champions |
> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

[gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

[Stephen Manuel]

I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
too interesting I want to share it. 

 

I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn
Grad, I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was
buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you
will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

 

Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably. 

 

I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented
will get the FBI's interest. 

 

However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has
the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

 

I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

 

>From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676
 &Pg=1

 

TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

 
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-univ
ersity-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

 

Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and
Political Corruption
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea057
96017322.txt

 

AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting
indicted, plus murder for hire.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

 

I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this
much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 

 

Stephen Manuel

 

 

 

-- 
GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

RE: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[Jay Cicone]

I would be forced to take Appalachian to cover L

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Williamson
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:44 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

 

You should put the game on anyway as a "pick em"  or put Appy State as a
3 point favorite.   :-P

Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 11:08 AM, John Bowers wrote: 

Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick
'Em.  You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  Couldn't
find a line on it for some reason, but I didn't really look too hard.
Maybe keeping our own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good luck charm.

 

http://pickem.g8r.com

 

John and Oz  

 

 

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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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(1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us 

 

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1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions | 
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(1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

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2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
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Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

Re: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[Ed Williamson]

You should put the game on anyway as a "pick em"  or put Appy State as a 
3 point favorite.   :-P


Eddie Williamson

On 11/18/2010 11:08 AM, John Bowers wrote:


Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick 
'Em.  You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  
Couldn't find a line on it for some reason, but I didn't really look 
too hard.  Maybe keeping our own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good 
luck charm.


http://pickem.g8r.com

John and Oz

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2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions |
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(1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us 


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RE: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[Jay Cicone]

Nice that you left the UF game out. I don't want any ugly reminders.
Seminole fans want to lay odds on UF losing the last 2 games. Ugh

 

From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Bowers
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:09 AM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com; Gator News
Subject: [gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

 

Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick
'Em.  You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  Couldn't
find a line on it for some reason, but I didn't really look too hard.
Maybe keeping our own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good luck charm.

 

http://pickem.g8r.com

 

John and Oz  

 

 

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(1996),
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1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us

[gatortalk] Let's play Pick 'Em

[John Bowers]

Despite the ennui that pervades Gator Nation, it's time to play Pick 'Em.
You'll note the Gators aren't even in this week's games.  Couldn't find a
line on it for some reason, but I didn't really look too hard.  Maybe
keeping our own team out of Pick 'Em will be a good luck charm.

 

http://pickem.g8r.com

 

John and Oz  

 

 

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GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!
1996 National Football Champions   |   2006 National Basketball Champions
2006 National Football Champions   |   2007 National Basketball Champions
2008 National Football Champions   |   
Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),
Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us