Yup.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jay Cicone 
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING


  I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a 
violation..I think?

   

  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

   

  yes.  The FBI is investigating.

  Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.

   

  But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.  And 
youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as 
scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt?  Does that mean Bama is 
corrupt after their incident?  The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump 
to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. 

   

  There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.

   

  Woody

   

   



   

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net> 
wrote:

  What do you mean no facts ??

   

  We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they 
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been 
verified by numerous people. 

   

  We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. 

   

  We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. 


  We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program 
for a long time. 

   

  We know that Lowder's Bank went under. 

   

  We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. 

   

  We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of 
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. 

   

  I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years,  only the 
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.

   

  Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get 
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??

  The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn 
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting 
paid. 

   

  I'm 99% sure that they do.

   

  I still believe this  has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College 
Football History.

   

  Stephen Manuel

   

  From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Woody
  Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
  To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING

   

  Tooo much speculation... no facts.  Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke 
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with 
this. (yet)  b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). 

   

  No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports.  By the way.. some of 
those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece 
call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until  these so called "sources" come to 
light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably 
over nothing.  

   

  Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.........if Cam did nothing 
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about.  End of story.

   

  Woody

  On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel <srman...@bellsouth.net> 
wrote:

  I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and 
too interesting I want to share it. 

   

  I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that 
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, 
I told him based on my experience,  it's probably true that Auburn was buying 
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know 
for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.

   

  Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the 
play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up 
considerably. 

   

  I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly 
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will 
get the FBI's interest. 

   

  However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out 
there about this case.  Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every 
major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal 
indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the 
potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History..

   

  I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure 
you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there.

   

  From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here

  http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1

   

  TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: 

   
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/

   

  Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and 
Political Corruption  
http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt

   

  AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting 
indicted, plus murder for hire.

  http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html

   

  I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this 
much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. 

   

  Stephen Manuel

   

   

   

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